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<MichaelRaskin> Not sure this is called security… I wouldn't trust it to sandbox a malicious module
<infinisil> Hm yeah, there's many potential problems at runtime, but at least it won't be a a globally readable/writable options namespace anymore
<infinisil> It's one step towards a better security story anyways
<infinisil> But the main thing is really just evaluation speed
<infinisil> Which I'm not sure anybody would want to pay for
<infinisil> But as a reviewer of NixOS module it currently pains me to merge them because I know it will waste more CPU time for everybody using NixOS
<infinisil> And if we don't do anything we'll end up with a minimal NixOS evaluation taking 10 seconds
<infinisil> Although probably we'd kick out a bunch of modules before that happens
<infinisil> I do have the possibility of an internship at tweag, but this wouldn't really be an internship since I don't think I need any help implementing this (other than feedback to the interface, which would be done through an RFC or so)
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<worldofpeace> infinisil++
<{^_^}> infinisil's karma got increased to 172
<worldofpeace> I always like to think, reach for what you feel inspired to do now. I think that's something really respectable and naturally attracts support for the wherewithal
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<MichaelRaskin> einfinisil: I guess it depends on the framing. You don't need any help to make it work, but still might be able to use feedback on implementation if someone at Tweag agrees to work together on that.
<__monty__> TweagXinfinisil sounds like it'd be about something interesting.
<eyJhb> "Go Accounting" => "Goating"?
<joepie91> 25 EUR full mechanical keyboard
<joepie91> weird BSUN Box Blue switches, clone of Kailh Box Blue (ref https://tweakers.net/productreview/225188/battletron-gaming-full-mechanical-keyboard-(rood).html)
<joepie91> (Action is mostly a Dutch store, but it does also exist in a few places in other EU countries)
<__monty__> Mostly dutch with more stores in BE?
<__monty__> Or did you mean dutch language?
<joepie91> yeah, that's a bit odd, I suspect something's going on with the grouping there
<joepie91> it's originally a Dutch store
<joepie91> and I'm fairly sure there's more of them in NL than in BE
<__monty__> Ugh, tweakers with their rights-violating-cookie policy.
<joepie91> __monty__: they reported a while ago on themselves violating the GDPR
<joepie91> lol
<__monty__> It *is* common here. But yes, holland being bigger I'd expect more stores.
<__monty__> >.<
<joepie91> definitely a grouping error
<joepie91> I guess the clustering isn't aware of country borders
<joepie91> it's bigger in Belgium than I'd expected though
<joepie91> they must've expanded rapidly in the past few years
<__monty__> Hasn't seemed rapid from my perspective, but maybe.
<__monty__> Establishing a store in belgium rapidly leads to both france and germany, so it's kind of a weird place to go first but not entirely senseless.
<joepie91> __monty__: they started expanding to Belgium and Germany first because all their distribution centers were in NL
<joepie91> so they did the border regions of BE + DE
<joepie91> everything that could be reached from the nearest NL DC
<joepie91> I'm just not sure how they've gotten so big a few years later :D
<__monty__> Wow, a billion euros of revenue for a discount store. hth
<joepie91> yeah, they're big
<joepie91> deservedly so, though, imo
<__monty__> Owned by British 3i so I'm skeptical of the deserving and the employee treatment.
<joepie91> it doesn't seem to have changed much since the acquisition by 3i
<joepie91> I suspect they realize that it was doing quite well by itself and they mostly just shouldn't touch its operational model lol
<joepie91> employee treatment is... not fantastic, but also not awful, as far as I know
<joepie91> more or less on par with the retail industry in general
<joepie91> (chain retail specifically)
<joepie91> though the HQ doesn't seem to meddle much with the stores' operation
<joepie91> it's a weird company. seems to be mostly stuck in the 1990s, in terms of store design/operations/etc., less meddle-y than most chains, has stuck with its business model despite rapid growth and investor acquisition
<joepie91> and somehow manages to regularly undercut aliexpress and such
<joepie91> despite generally having higher-quality stuff
<joepie91> (at that price point)
<__monty__> One uncomfortable thing about the 200M euro increase in revenue in a single year is that I think it reflects an impoverishment of the average BeNeLux/EU citizen...
<joepie91> __monty__: dunno about that
<joepie91> a bunch of other discount chains in NL have fallen over, and Action has been expanding rapidly
<joepie91> both of those can explain a significant part of that increase
<joepie91> __monty__: another aspect is that, at least in NL, the social stigma towards discount stores like Action has been slowly going away
<joepie91> and so a lot of eg. consumable cleaning products are bought there instead of at more expensive shops (which sell functionally the same product with a higher margin)
<pie_> I wonder if I could orchestrate pycharm a bit with a shellhook or something
<joepie91> same for things like basic tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, etc.), which are now often bought there instead of at hardware shops for 5x the price and the same quality
<joepie91> basically, there's a lot of legitimate reasons why their revenue might be growing :P
<__monty__> Maybe. I haven't noticed this change personally.
<joepie91> __monty__: in NL, or elsewhere? because I can only speak for NL on most of those points
<__monty__> I'm in BE.
<joepie91> right, I don't know what it's like in BE
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<pie_> maybe my system is out of date though
<pie_> s it just me or is the nix-shell python infra is kinda screwy
<pie_> i had to remove a dist directory to get it to build
<pie_> after making some changes
<yorick> joepie91: I've never noticed good quality at the Action
<yorick> it always breaks after 1-2 uses
<yorick> or even before you buy it but no refunds
<joepie91> I said higher quality, not good quality :)
<joepie91> (they certainly do have good quality stuff as well, though)
<__monty__> Refunds before buying would be a pretty good moneymaking scheme : )
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<yorick> __monty__: no, it's broken before you buy it
<yorick> but they don't refund, you should've checked
<__monty__> That was meant as a humorous hypthetical based on a possible but unlikely interpretation of what you said.
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<joepie91> ??????
<joepie91> this is over wifi
<__monty__> Wifi 6?
<joepie91> not that I know of, but dunno
<joepie91> I have a slightly weird setup
<joepie91> one of those fritz!whatever wifi repeaters, used as a wifi dongle
<joepie91> wired up to my desktop with an ethernet cable
<joepie91> paired with the router downstairs
<joepie91> so I don't know what protocol it does internally
<ar> joepie91: that's not unusual for 802.11ac
<ar> joepie91: or mimo on older standards
<__monty__> Hmm, actually. Wifi 4 is able of achieving these speeds. Apparently..
<joepie91> ar: I mean, I've literally never seen these sorts of speeds in a real-world environment
<joepie91> 100, maybe 150, that's about it
<__monty__> I must be doing something wrong with wifi since forever.
<ar> once you get a notch above the typical consumer crap, those speeds are normal
<ar> (eg. ubiquiti or mikrotik gear will deliver these sorts of speeds)
<leons> It really depends on your environment. Sitting right next to an Aruba AP on my university campus during spring break has gotten me >800MBit/s once
<leons> But Air sadly is shared medium :/
<MichaelRaskin> You don't always get these kinds of speed on Ubiquity. At least not always over a few hundreds of meters…
<__monty__> Do you ever get such speeds over a hundred meters? Doesn't wifi 5/6 attenuate rapidly?
<MichaelRaskin> Well, if you can cover 10 meters, with a large enough antennas on both sides you probably can cover 100 meters given low enough third-party interference inside the lobes of the reception diagrams…
<__monty__> I'm talking laptop/smartphone receiver.
<__monty__> If cost is not an issue why even restrict yourself to Wi-Fi.
<MichaelRaskin> Ubiquity is not that expensive!
<__monty__> Unfortunately they don't abide by the GPL though.
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<Church-> O/ joepie91 and others
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<joepie91> ohai
<Church-> How goes
Church- is now known as Diogenes-
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<joepie91> hmmmm.... has the NixOS assembly shrunk in size? ref https://36c3.c3nav.de/
<joepie91> also, is there an {IRC,Matrix} channel for the NixOS assembly yet? :P
<lassulus> joepie91: oehm, you can join #nixos-de or #krebs I guess
<lassulus> but I'm also here
<lassulus> we actually have grown, not shrunken
<lassulus> we have 1.7 tables, qubesos are not so many people
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<joepie91> lassulus: ah, it looked from the map like it was smaller than last year's tables :P
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<ldlework> Why would nix-shell say I ran out of disk space? http://ldlework.ddns.net/caps/2019-12-25-22-04-53.png
<qyliss> Ran out of space on a tmpfs?
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