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<dotlambda>
How would you like a list of mobile friendly application packaged in Nixpkgs on https://mobile.nixos.org/?
<dotlambda>
*applications
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<samueldr>
I don't know
<samueldr>
good question
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<dotlambda>
Maybe it's better suited for a Wiki page cause everyone can easily contribute to those.
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<samueldr>
btw dotlambda, I really mean it when I say "I don't know" :) it's not the dismissive "I don't know and I don't want to know" :)
<samueldr>
the thought really didn't pass through my mind, documenting things about the end-user system, software-wise
<samueldr>
I had my blinders on, mainly thinking about the hardware abstractions
<dotlambda>
I think you should continue not to think about the end-user too much. There are other people, with less knowledge about uboot, aarch64, Android, etc. who can take care of "apps".
<samueldr>
yes, that's kind of my hope really about this :)
<samueldr>
and kind of the path I always had been going
<samueldr>
like how early on, in my nixcon presentation, I asked the "frequently" asked question about android apps
<samueldr>
by saying I don't care, the project doesn't care
<samueldr>
it happens at least one rung too high on the ladder of abstraction for what the project really cares about
<samueldr>
that rung is somewhere into Nixpkgs and NixOS :)
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<dotlambda>
If you want to show off nice visuals, Phosh or Plamo with some native apps should really suffice. And when people ask about Android app support, they should be reminded of how lacking Wine still is.
<samueldr>
oh, sure :)
<samueldr>
it's probably the most frequent first question
<samueldr>
but maybe not the most frequent question
<dotlambda>
Did you copy any of your code from pmOS? I'm thinking of adding xiamo-mido to mobile-nixos later this year and it has mainline (!) pmOS support.
<samueldr>
dotlambda: initially I implemented it in a compatible way with the hope of being able to "just" import all of their data
<samueldr>
but it quickly showed to not be worth it
<samueldr>
I first ported postmarketOS to my device to (1) validate assumptions and (2) have a working example
<samueldr>
but the implementation was not copied, and the parts that still had some inspiration are long gone
<samueldr>
(mainly it was the stage-1 script... but even then it's "mechanical" commands that have no creative component to them)
<samueldr>
e.g. setting up gadget mode, their implementation was, at the time, 1:1 with documentation found elsewhere
<samueldr>
but, probably to better answer your underlying question, dotlambda, having an existing postmarketOS build is really helpful for people not used to porting :)
<samueldr>
xiaomi-mido is arm64 (in android parlance) so that sounds more than feasible
<samueldr>
both with vendor and mainline kernel trees I guess
<dotlambda>
samueldr: I definitely don't want the vendor kernel. For me that's the main motivation to leave Android. I just want a phone that I can keep until its hardware is obsolete, not its software.
<dotlambda>
Anyway, I'll try my luck in a few months and will probably ask here for guidance on the way.
<samueldr>
supporting vendor kernel trees "democratizes" access to a working environment
<samueldr>
but yes, mainline is preferrable
<samueldr>
but vendor kernels *may*, for some devices, end up having more working, depending :)
<samueldr>
(at the time, probably equivalent)
<samueldr>
I will never shame someone for using a vendor kernel or starting with a vendor kernel, especially if mainline is not supported on their devices
<samueldr>
doing mainline ports is a whole other kind of skill set than doing a port
<samueldr>
I much prefer people have access to something working, than going entirely on ideals :)
<dotlambda>
Very true. And it's already a first step for keeping devices alive.
<samueldr>
exactly
<samueldr>
I want people to use the device they have first, before acquiring a new one
<samueldr>
even if there are some tradeoffs to do
<samueldr>
I have something planned (I won't reveal now) that might have some people go "BUT WHY???" related to this, it'll be fun if people go "BUT WHY???" :)
<dotlambda>
I would have guessed libhybris but it seems like there's already an issue about that.
<dotlambda>
So then my guess is iPhone 7 support being added ;-)
<samueldr>
I'm probably overthinking it... most probably people won't notice