#home-manager on 2020-11-22

2020-09-18 21:15 ChanServ changed the topic of #home-manager to: Support and discussion around the Home Manager project (https://github.com/nix-community/home-manager) | Logs: https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/home-manager

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02:30 <rogerr> how can i set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in my env on a per user basis? im using home manager fwiw

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03:02 <rogerr> i set my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to ~/.runtime and now when i RDP into the machine i just get black screen forever. what i'm doing wrong pls?

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06:08 <matthewcroughan_> Hey, I can't get the manual for home-manager.nix

06:08 <matthewcroughan_> https://github.com/MatthewCroughan/nixcfg/blob/0f0d5ecc43dbc9137656808d5e0256528db68cc6/users/matthew/default.nix

06:09 <matthewcroughan[> Lmao I cannot believe this is the same room as it is on freenode, and I was here the entire time.

06:09 <matthewcroughan[> This room isn't very active :(

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07:43 <rycee> rogerr: To set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR I think you'll have to tweak either PAM or systemd.

07:45 <rycee> matthewcroughan_: There is no manual page named "home-manager.nix". There is "home-manager" and "home-configuration.nix", though.

07:45 <matthewcroughan_> rycee: sorry, I did mean the latter

07:46 <matthewcroughan_> "no manual entry for 'home-configuration.nix'

07:46 <matthewcroughan[> Yknow, I have matrix setup, I'm gonna use it here lol.

07:46 <matthewcroughan[> it's interesting that the bridge has my name as `matthewcroughan[`

07:47 <matthewcroughan[> name must be too long for it :)

07:47 <rycee> Right :-)

07:47 <rycee> Maybe you have `manual.manpages.enable = false` somewhere in your configuration?

07:51 <matthewcroughan[> I do not rycee https://github.com/matthewcroughan/nixcfg/

07:51 <rycee> Is the file in the output of `home-manager build`?

07:52 <matthewcroughan[> whenever I do `nix-env --help` or any other `nix` command that has a manpage, I also get `nroff not found` lol

07:52 <matthewcroughan[> so maybe something is just completely wrong with my home-manager user

07:52 <matthewcroughan[> `home-manager` is not available, I'm using this as a flake, though I must admit that I do not know what that really means.

07:53 <matthewcroughan[> <matthewcroughan[ "whenever I do `nix-env --help` o"> I mean as my home-managed user, doing these same commands as `root` works fine.

07:53 <rycee> Are you not using NixOS?

07:53 <matthewcroughan[> I am using NixOS.

07:56 <rycee> There might be something wrong in how your shell sources `/etc/profile`?

07:57 <rycee> I haven't seen that error before but I don't think it is likely that HM is involved in the cause.

07:57 <matthewcroughan[> my shell is not configured in any special way by anything

07:59 <matthewcroughan[> how can I tell the difference between root and why it works whereas my user does not?

07:59 <matthewcroughan[> * how can I tell the difference between root and why it works whereas my home-managed user does not?

08:02 <rycee> Not sure, I can imagine using strace to check which files `man home-configuration.nix` tries to open.

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08:02 <matthewcroughan[> anything wrong with that? Should I not be using `initExtra`?

08:02 <rycee> Then at least it should be apparent where it thinks the man pages are.

08:03 <rycee> And you can compare with where they actually are.

08:03 <matthewcroughan[> ah that's amazing!

08:03 <rycee> Shouldn't be a problem setting `initExtra`, as long as it doesn't mess too much with PATH and such.

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08:03 <matthewcroughan[> this sort athing

08:04 <matthewcroughan[> * this sorta thing

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08:05 <matthewcroughan[> ```

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08:05 <matthewcroughan[> `stat("/etc/busybox.conf", 0x7ffd8c55bfd8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`

08:05 <matthewcroughan[> man, it looks like it knows absolutely nothing about nothing :D

08:07 <rycee> Hmm, what does `readlink -m $(which man)` say?

08:07 <matthewcroughan[> readlink doesn't have the -m option here

08:07 <matthewcroughan[> busybox

08:08 <matthewcroughan[> found the issue I guess 🙃

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08:08 <rycee> Hmm, are you intentionally using busybox instead of the regular issues?

08:08 <matthewcroughan[> nope

08:08 <matthewcroughan[> I had no idea

08:09 <matthewcroughan[> it's in my `nix-env` for some reason, maybe this is a blog post about how you shouldn't use `nix-env` under any circumstances ever.

08:09 <rycee> Yeah, then I imagine you are using busybox's version of the `man` command, which I don't think have been patched to know about the Nix paths.

08:10 <matthewcroughan[> My usual excuse is "I only need it now, for a moment", which is almost always BS and a lie, and it ends up sticking around.

08:10 <matthewcroughan[> `nix-env` should not exist, instead only `nix-build` and `nix-shell` should exist :D

08:11 <rycee> Yeah, best avoid `nix-env -i` as much as possible :-)

08:12 <matthewcroughan[> what is incredible is that anything works at all, because of this

08:13 <matthewcroughan[> what does this do?

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08:14 <matthewcroughan[> Can't really get it to work, just spits out an error :D

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08:14 <rycee> I don't think you want that option.

08:14 <matthewcroughan[> It's written to imply that it's better than just -e '.*'

08:14 <matthewcroughan[> * It's written to imply that it's better than just `-e '.*'`

08:15 <rycee> HM installs the generated Nix profile with `nix-env -i` and you probably don't want to uninstall that.

08:16 <matthewcroughan[> And voila, everything works after removing busybox, magic.

08:16 <rycee> I.e., `nix-env -q` should include `home-manager-path`.

08:16 <matthewcroughan[> I ran `nix-env -e '.*'`, was that bad?

08:17 <matthewcroughan[> I don't see anything being uninstalled that I have given home-manager to install.

08:17 <rycee> You won't have access to packages installed through `home.packages`.

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08:17 <matthewcroughan[> really? yikes :v

08:17 <rycee> Then you are probably using `useUserPackages`.

08:17 <matthewcroughan[> no, I do still have access to those packages

08:17 <matthewcroughan[> nothing has went wrong

08:18 <rycee> In that case HM will not use `nix-env -i`.

08:18 <rycee> Cool, then all should be good :-)

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08:53 <rogerr> rycee++ ty. why so hard to change xdg runtime dir? the other xdg dirs are super easy to change

08:53 <{^_^}> rycee's karma got increased to 35

08:57 <rycee> rogerr: I believe systemd needs that directory for its socket, same with dbus. These start very early in the login process, before the shell is started.

09:09 <matthewcroughan[> rycee++

09:09 <{^_^}> rycee's karma got increased to 36

09:09 <matthewcroughan[> * rycee++ ty.

09:09 <{^_^}> rycee's karma got increased to 37

09:09 <matthewcroughan[> oh well whatever, guess the bot was slow lmfao

09:09 <matthewcroughan[> double thank you :)

09:17 <rogerr> ahh

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