#nixos on 2019-05-17

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00:00 <{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-19.03-darwin advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/c478fe7f86e (from 47 minutes ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-19.03-darwin)

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00:07 <infinisil> kandinski: You gotta be a bit more specific than that

00:08 <kandinski> infinisil: I'm sorry, so here goes: I recently upgraded from 18:03 I think to 18:09, and now I can't use Synergy the way I used to. It's the same version of Synergy, so that leads me to believe it's because Synergy doesn't play nice with Wayland, and I was wondering if configuring my system to use Xorg instead would be a solution.

00:09 <kandinski> to 19.03 sorry. Currently on Koi.

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00:10 <simpson> I thought that Wayland support on NixOS was opt-in and had to be explicitly requested in configuration?

00:11 <infinisil> simpson: Same can be said for X actually, because by default neither of them is enabled :)

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00:11 <ashkitten> clever: honestly considering again my original idea to just add a wait command at the end of the initrd script to make sure it exits cleanly

00:12 <infinisil> kandinski: One of the most important things for debugging problems is to actually know what the problem is.. which you didn't mention

00:12 <kandinski> I just checked $XDG_SESSION_TYPE and it's wayland, but I haven't configured it explicitly.

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00:13 <kandinski> my configuration.nix does enable services.xserver, but doesn't specify whether I want xorg or wayland. Wayland is turned on by default.

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00:14 <ashkitten> clever: oh!! i found the culprit! https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-19.03/nixos/modules/system/boot/stage-1-init.sh#L539-L546

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00:15 <kandinski> And my goal in configuring it with xorg was to debug my issue (which you're right, infinisil, I don't really know the root cause of it, I only know Synergy connects but I can't move pointer control between hosts), and find whether it could be due to the s/xorg/wayland/g change, or some other cause.

00:15 <clever> ashkitten: aha

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00:20 <ashkitten> clever: so then i don't understand why it was being killed

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00:23 <{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer closed pull request #2258 → Make installer allow preexisting by default → https://git.io/f4dWQ

00:23 <{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer closed pull request #2443 → Add XDG_DATA_DIRS to nix-profile.sh → https://git.io/fAdpW

00:24 <ashkitten> OH

00:24 <ashkitten> HOLD UP

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00:26 <selfsymmetric-mu> How can I install emacspeak? I figured I could add it to `emacsWithPackages` but it's in `emacs-modes` for some reason?

00:29 <kandinski> Infinisil: giving it a second try: https://paste.debian.net/1081827/

00:29 <kandinski> I'm stuck at step three of testing my hypothesis.

00:31 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/fj8eg

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00:33 <bourbon> Aw crud, there goes the paste buffer

00:34 <ashkitten> clever: i think it's not being killed early, but i think switch_root is deleting something and it's not completing the tune (as long as it doesn't leave a persistent tone going i don't care)

00:36 <infinisil> kandinski: Can't you just paste your configuration.nix?

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00:42 <ashkitten> so, new problem. starting somewhat recently, my network connection has dropped every time i do a `nixos-rebuild switch`. i recently moved, so it could be the network topology or something but i'm not sure why it's happening and i want it to stop

00:43 <kandinski> infinisil: I can. I didn't think it was needed because it's the same configuration.nix from before the upgrade, and this is the only thing that has stopped working as before. Here goes: https://pastebin.com/pex2KrGU

00:43 <ashkitten> nmcli still says it's connected, but it doesn't resolve dns until i re-up the connection

00:44 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #61607 → [r17.09] leptonica: patch multiple CVEs → https://git.io/fj8ew

00:45 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #61608 → [r18.03] leptonica: patch multiple CVEs → https://git.io/fj8er

00:48 <infinisil> kandinski: That very much looks like a standard X setup

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00:49 <infinisil> You would've surely noticed a difference between X and wayland

00:50 <kandinski> I have visually too

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00:50 <infinisil> Huh what, are you using sway?

00:50 <kandinski> for instance, when I launch Firefox, now I see a black rectangle that eventually gets painted over. I didn't see that before.

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00:50 <infinisil> Oh

00:50 <infinisil> gnome!

00:50 <kandinski> I just upgraded as-is.

00:51 <kandinski> and `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE` says "wayland"

00:51 <infinisil> Yeah it's gnome sorry, they switched their default to wayland

00:51 <kandinski> thence my question whether it would be possible to switch it back in /etc/nixos/configuration.conf

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00:52 <infinisil> Since it's an upstream change that would be difficult..

00:52 <kandinski> So it goes.

00:52 * infinisil takes a look at the gnome module

00:53 <kandinski> infinisil: would you mind also helping me look this up by myself?

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00:54 <infinisil> Well the first thing I usually do is take a closer look at the module, which is nixpkgs/nixos/modules/services/x11/desktop-managers/gnome3.nix in this case

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00:54 <infinisil> The gnome option would tell you this path

00:56 <infinisil> Don't see anything interesting though

00:56 <infinisil> And it's weird that it would still be under x11 when it's using wayland..

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00:58 <infinisil> kandinski: Oh look what I found: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818366

00:59 <infinisil> Found from https://jmtd.net/log/buster_wayland/

00:59 <infinisil> " This all came to my attention because for a while the popular Synaptic package manager was to be ejected from Debian for not working under Wayland. That bug has now been worked around to prevent removal (although it's still not functional in a Wayland environment)."

00:59 <infinisil> That blog post is from 5 days ago

00:59 <kandinski> synaptic is not synergy though :)

01:00 <kandinski> and synergy does start and even connect to the network. It just doesn't work as expected after connecting.

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01:01 <infinisil> Yeah I guess that's what they mean by "it's still not functional"

01:01 <infinisil> kandinski: From looking online, it seems that gnome should have something in its settings that allows you to use X, "GNOME on Xorg" or so

01:02 <kandinski> infinisil: the bug is about the package manager Synaptic, not about the KVM Synergy.

01:02 <kandinski> I'm looking at gnome options too now, thanks you!

01:02 <infinisil> Ah

01:03 <infinisil> Darn and I thought I had something there!

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01:03 <kandinski> (yeah, I appreciate the effort, and it's a common mystake)

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01:05 <infinisil> Btw, for future pastes, consider using one of these instead:

01:05 <infinisil> ,paste

01:05 <{^_^}> Use a website such as [ https://gist.github.com/ http://ix.io/ https://hastebin.com/ https://paste.ee/ ] or similar services to share anything that's longer than a couple lines.

01:06 <infinisil> pastebin isn't very liked by IRC and related communities

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01:06 <kandinski> infinisil: why so? I use the pastebinit command, which on Debian defaults to paste.debian.org. I didn realise that wasn true on nixos.

01:07 <infinisil> Oh, we should change that then haha

01:07 <kandinski> infinisil: I guess this is an easy PR to contribute, so nixos.pastebinit has the right behaviour.

01:07 <infinisil> kandinski: I can recommend gist, which is a package that puts stuff on gist.github.com

01:07 <kandinski> Let me give it a go, seems like a good onramp for beginners.

01:07 <infinisil> But yeah pastebin isn't liked because it has ads, is bloated and such

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01:08 <kandinski> (thanks again: I'll use gist in the future, but fixing the pastebinit command default seems the right thing to do)

01:08 <infinisil> Thing is though, there's no Nix paste

01:08 <infinisil> Not anymore at least

01:08 <infinisil> So there's no reasonable default we could use instead

01:09 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #61477 → anbox: unstable-2019-03-07 -> unstable-2019-05-03 → https://git.io/fjWQW

01:09 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8eD

01:09 <infinisil> I guess anything is better than pastebin though xD

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01:11 <kandinski> infinisil: sprunge.us seems a reasonable enough default.

01:11 <infinisil> Yeah just thought so too

01:12 <kandinski> infinisil: expect a PR sometime this weekend :)

01:12 <infinisil> ,paste = Use a website such as [ https://gist.github.com/ http://ix.io/ https://hastebin.com/ http://sprunge.us/ https://paste.ee/ ] or similar services to share anything that's longer than a couple lines.

01:12 <{^_^}> paste redefined, was defined as Use a website such as [ https://gist.github.com/ http://ix.io/ https://hastebin.com/ https://paste.ee/ ] or similar services to share anything that's longer than a couple lines.

01:12 <infinisil> Cool :)

01:13 <aanderse> sigh

01:13 <aanderse> 2 times now i've seen a nixos test...

01:13 <aanderse> which isn't in all-tests.nix

01:13 <aanderse> :\

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01:17 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #61365 → gimpPlugins.resynthesizer: drop → https://git.io/fjWmA

01:17 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 5 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8e7

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01:26 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #61291 → gdcm: 2.8.9 -> 3.0.0 → https://git.io/fjCFS

01:26 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8eF

01:30 <infinisil> aanderse: Ah darn..

01:30 <aanderse> ah well. better to find and fix than not find at all

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01:33 <gchristensen> aanderse++

01:33 <{^_^}> aanderse's karma got increased to 5

01:33 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #61609 → devede: fix runtime error → https://git.io/fj8eh

01:33 <aanderse> :D

01:33 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #61610 → graphene: init at 1.8.6 → https://git.io/fj8ej

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01:41 <lostman> hey folks. Just switched to NixOS and I don't seem to have any man pages. How do I get that working? I tried `nix-shell -p pkgs.stdmanpages` and `man malloc` or anything else still doesn't work

01:42 <lostman> also, when i enter nix-shell I have `NIX_CFLAGS_COMPILE` and other env vars set up by nix. How do I get same behavior for the top-level shell for my user? I'd like that shell to use the wrapped clang and it seems to be using the unwrapped one

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01:49 <clever> ,nix-shell lostman

01:49 <clever> ,libraries lostman

01:49 <{^_^}> lostman: Don't install libraries through nix-env or systemPackages, use nix-shell instead. See https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ/Libraries for details.

01:50 <lostman> for some things that makes sense for others it doesn't. Does the normal shell always have to be a second class citizen?

01:51 <clever> compile time stuff and compilers in generaly just arent meant to work outside of nix-shell on nixos

01:51 <lostman> there are some common C libraries that I'd like to have access to

01:51 <lostman> without custom `shell.nix`

01:51 <matthewbauer> lostman: i don't think malloc is in the c++ manpages. you probably want `nix run nixpkgs.posix_man_pages -c man -w malloc`. nix-shell doesn't seem to set the MANPATH correctly?

01:52 <clever> lostman: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/73d96d83a34b6bba24e19af3784f6237 this is part of my config.nix file

01:52 <lostman> @matthewbauer looks like it just doesn't work with `nix-shell`

01:53 <clever> lostman: lines 41-47 joins several of the man page packages up, and then i can `nix-env -iA nixos.manymans` to install them

01:53 <clever> and `man malloc` works normally outside nix-shell

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01:54 <lostman> right, but now I need `nix-shell` to develop in and normal shell to read man :(

01:55 <clever> man still works in nix-shell too

01:57 <clever> lostman: and you dont always need to use a shell.nix file, you can just run `nix-shell -p` to get a basic shell with just a compiler

01:57 <matthewbauer> lostman: you should be able to install the wrapped clang with `nix-env -iA nixpkgs.clang`

01:57 <lostman> @clever can I hook it up so it just gives me those basics always at all times when my user opens shell?

01:57 <matthewbauer> sometimes you can get the clang-unwrapped though

01:58 <lostman> @clever let me try all those mans

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02:03 <matthewbauer> ugh manpath detection fails when a derivation doesn't have a bin output! it's relative to PATH, but PATH is never set for something like stdman; https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blame/master/pkgs/stdenv/generic/setup.sh#L180

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02:44 <alicej> does anyone know if there is a package for emacs 26? or do I have to write some nix myself

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02:47 <lostman> alicej: I have emacs from stable nixpkgs and the version is 26.1

02:48 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nh2 opened pull request #61611 → openblas: Add enableStatic flag → https://git.io/fj8v6

02:49 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #61612 → geoclue: 2.5.2 -> 2.5.3 → https://git.io/fj8vi

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02:54 <alicej> lostman: thanks i just updated my channel and now everything works :)

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03:01 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer opened pull request #61613 → [WIP] libdispatch: update to 10.12.6 → https://git.io/fj8vX

03:02 <lostman> alicej: you can also mix stable and unstable in configuration.nix to get some updates faster. Good example here: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ. That requires nixos-unstable added through nix-channel as root. It is also also possible to import specific commit of unstable channel directly in configuration.nix using fetchTarball

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03:09 <angerman> Can we make `/nix` be a symlink? Are there any fundamental issues that prevent us from that?

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03:09 <simpson> That's a fascinating idea. What did you want to achieve with that change?

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03:13 <angerman> I have my nix store on an ssd.

03:13 <angerman> macOS doesn't allow me trivial mounting of devices into /nix

03:14 <angerman> so I'd rather have /nix -> /Volumes/NIX_STORE

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03:14 <angerman> simpson: now I can carry my nix-store with me around. Unplug from the desktop when I run around with my macbook.

03:15 <angerman> I have a script that does some automount shenanigans to get around the symlink issue. But not having to deal with that extra step would be much better.

03:16 <simpson> Interesting.

03:16 <angerman> simpson: I could also swap nix stores (if I ever needed to do so...)

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03:17 <simpson> angerman: This might be possible to some degree on Darwin; I don't know. It wouldn't be possible on NixOS.

03:18 <angerman> simpson: why would it not work on nixOS?

03:19 <simpson> angerman: You're right; maybe it's possible on NixOS.

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03:31 <infinisil> ,locate man malloc

03:31 <{^_^}> Found in packages: manpages

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03:39 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nh2 opened pull request #61614 → openblas: 0.3.5 -> 0.3.6 → https://git.io/fj8vb

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04:03 <lostman> any users of buildRustPackage here?

04:03 <rizary> i am using ubuntu, and i see that there are 2 nix.conf file under /etc/nix and ~/.config/nix/nix.conf. What is the difference between that? And why the nix.conf under .confid is in the 000 mod (not writeable, readable, executable).

04:03 <lostman> I'm wondering why cargoSha256 needs to be specified manually. It might be useful to pin it manually but in general couldn't it be computed automatically?

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06:17 <jgt> I'm trying to build a JavaScript project with Nix, and it's failing with: error Couldn't find a package.json file in "/private/tmp/nix-build-riskbook-chat-ui.drv-0"

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06:18 <jgt> how do I copy the package.json to the directory it builds the project from?

06:18 <jgt> isn't there some special variable like $out?

06:18 <jgt> and which buildPhase should the copy command go in? Is it configurePhase?

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07:39 <cizra> I'd like to try porting The Dark Mod to NixOS -- it's open-source but commonly distributed in binary format. Do we have any similar OpenGL+binary packages I could base the work on?

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07:41 <Yaniel> if sources are available it's very preferrable to build from those

07:43 <Yaniel> that game seems to have decent build instructions too

07:45 <Yaniel> but if you insist on repackaging the binary, I guess factorio would be a fine reference package?

07:48 <Yaniel> a bit overcomplicated due mod support & authenticated download URLs but if you have packaged things before it should be easy to isolate the relevant bits

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07:50 <cizra> Thanks! I've done a tiny bit of packaging - https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/61546

07:50 <cizra> Last when I tried to build from source, it kind of worked, but textures didn't display.

07:51 <cizra> Ideally, I'd like to do both, as a learning exercise for the binary version.

07:51 <Yaniel> I think I saw a warning about that in the wiki

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07:51 <cizra> Yaniel: Yeah, but the same configuration worked fine with binary downloaded from TDM. Look into your darkmod.cfg inside your darkmod folder and check that the following settings are like shown below:

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08:04 <andi-> lostman: it can only be computed if there is a network connection. The way nix works you can get network connections during build time if you are an fixed output derivation AKA you specified the hash of the output.

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08:06 <andi-> I see that buildRustPackage workaround as a major hack.. It did bite us before and there is an open issue with it randomly generating different hashed but it usually doesn't surface because fixed output content will be retrieved from cache.nixos.org whenever it is there...

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08:38 <lostman> andi-: why is network connection necessary?

08:39 <lostman> andi-: I'd be nice if it was optional. Then I could put a specific SHA for releases but don't worry about it when I'm just developing something. I have a derivation that runs benchmarks on distributed builder for instance

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08:43 <lostman> speaking of remote builders... it appears buildRustCrate builds dependencies first, on my local machine, and then copies them to my remote builder... weird!

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08:48 <andi-> lostman: well the way this hack works is that we call `cargo vendor` in the fixed output derivation. The trade-off that was made there is that you do not have to specify the dependencies and all their hashes because you (claim) that the output of the bundled vendor files is whatever is in that thing.

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08:50 <andi-> Imo should it disappear and buildRustCrate be used instead

08:50 <andi-> Requires more tooling but also deduplicates compilation of dependencies

08:51 <lostman> buildRustCrate looks like bad idea. Skipping Cargo?

08:53 <lostman> I have a package that uses bindgen, links to external C libraries, uses conditional compilation... carnix just gave up. Also couldn't handle features, didn't generate derivations for benchmarks and so on. And good luck figuring out things like musl and producing fully static executables or compiling to WASM. I don' t think re-implementing Cargo in Nix is a feasible path

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09:04 <andi-> I don't think having a tool that wasn't made to preserve-bit-perfect results between versions is a good fit for our buildRustPackage either.. Perhaps you can implement the changes you would like to see? Maybe it would "suck less" then :-)

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09:18 <lostman> andi-: yeah, I'd like to try making buildRustPackage compute the SHA automatically. Unless I'm missing something it shouldn't be too hard?

09:19 <andi-> Well the hash of all the dependencies..

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09:19 <lostman> andi-: I tried something like that recently with `nix hash-path --base16 $src > $out`. Is there a better way?

09:19 <andi-> Well you have to download them first

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09:21 <lostman> andi-: for that I'll have to see what buildRustCrate does

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09:22 <lostman> I thought Cargo is already good enough at reproducible builds with Cargo.lock. Is there a situation where running two builds with Cargo.lock results in different code?

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09:35 <andi-> lostman: it is more about duplicating efforts for humans (declaring transitive dependencies of dependencies, …) and machines (producing the same .rlib file multiple times). Also it doesn't duplicate all the sources for every crate that uses them. I am thinking from a NixOS/NIxpkgs perspective. You seem to be primarily concerned about some out of tree software development cycle?

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09:42 <fadenb> Hey, I am a bit stuck and looking for a pointer to some example on how to define custom packages and modules outside of nixpkgs.

09:43 <fadenb> I have an overlay that is working just fine, I have an custom module I can load via import that works. What is the best way to combine those?

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09:51 <andi-> fadenb: I usually use a pattern where `src = fetchGit "https://…"; module = src + "/module.nix";` Sometimes I expose the module as `module` attribute in passthru of a package if that is the only package & module in the repo.

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09:54 <fadenb> Hmm, i did something similar, feels a bit hacky :P

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09:55 <andi-> fadenb: yeah :/ have you looked how NUR does it?

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09:56 <fadenb> no, not yet. Will take a look :)

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10:06 <alexarice[m]> does anyone know how display drivers are configured under wayland, everything I can find on the nixos manual seems to be about X?

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10:14 <andi-> alexarice[m]: it just worked for me(tm). I have two GPUs in my laptop (nouveau & intel)

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10:15 <alexarice[m]> andi-: Is there a way to see what driver is being used?

10:15 <andi-> alexarice[m]: I guess that dependes on the compositor your are running. I am using sway.

10:16 <andi-> I am trying to figure that out right now.

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10:20 <alexarice[m]> andi-: Thanks, just trying to work out if performance issues are just nvidia based or if I'm missing something

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10:22 <andi-> alexarice[m]: uff nvidia and wayland. Not sure if thats worth the money for both the GPU and the issues..

10:22 <andi-> they are basically doing their own thing and most people just don't care about Nvidia at this point.

10:22 <alexarice[m]> andi-: I'm aware but it's what I have atm, should probably put the effort in to have a different config on desktop and laptop

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10:24 <andi-> alexarice[m]: did you configure the Nvidia blob at all? If not you are probably on noveau

10:24 <alexarice[m]> andi-: Nothing in my config mentions drivers anywhere so I'm guessing not

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10:25 <andi-> ok then you are probably on the opensource nvidia driver and potentially also on Intel if your device has that

10:27 <alexarice[m]> lsmod shows nouveau so I'm guessing that is active

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10:40 <lostman> andi-: right, you're talking about turning each dependency into own derivation? That's great. I just don't think it's feasible to achieve and maintain without Cargo and many features will probably be lost in the process. Tried `carnix` the other day and it failed with an error

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10:42 <andi-> lostman: what error? I have been using it for almost two years now.. It is a rough story but a lot better then one year ago.

10:42 <andi-> Also there have been alternative implementations that also use buildRustCrate that make use of cargos buildplan feature.

10:49 <lostman> andi-: error: attribute '_all' missing, at (string):1:42

10:49 <lostman> andi-: where can I find the alternative implementation?

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11:04 <andi-> lostman: read the few weekly news articles. Don't remember their name.

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11:08 <Izorkin> etu: me resolved conversation in pr

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11:24 <ivan> can I install nixos-install on NixOS? :-)

11:25 <ivan> I want to install another system over nbd

11:25 <etu> ,locate nixos-install

11:25 <etu> hmmm

11:25 <etu> Was worth a shot!

11:26 <immae> ivan: (pkgs.nixos {}).nixos-install

11:26 <infinisil> Bot is not even here (again)..

11:27 <immae> (I don’t know of any "usual" way to install it)

11:27 <andi-> ivan: yes you can

11:28 <andi-> it is installed on my machine without having specified it

11:28 <ivan> andi-: oh, haha, thanks, I don't know why I didn't bother to check

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11:41 <buffet> hey -- im probably just stupid, but i cant seem to get chromium with wideVine (for netflix) to work. #8479 suggests that i need to enable the wideVine option and itll "just work". somebody up to help me get it running? apperently im too dumb

11:42 <buffet> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/8479 - link to the issue

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11:47 <goibhniu1> hi buffet, does it show up in chrome://plugins?

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11:54 <buffet> goibhniu1: i cant reach chrome://plugins for some reason

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11:55 <buffet> also: no when i tried to enable option (dont know if theres a better way to do it -- i added an overlay that overwrote chromium) the build failed during some wideVine stage

11:55 <buffet> one second, ill redo that real quick

11:59 <goibhniu1> how are you installing chromium, via configuration.nix?

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12:01 <buffet> goibhniu1: i normally have it in home-managers home.nix, for the overlay thing (which i cant seem to recreate rn) i added it to configuration.nix

12:02 <goibhniu1> cool, does `nix-env -q` list chromium (try as your user and as root)

12:02 <clever> buffet: configuration.nix overlays wont impact home-manager

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12:04 <buffet> http://ix.io/1JhE getting this. setting allowBroken = true; yields http://ix.io/1JhF

12:05 <clever> that error is why it is marked as broken

12:05 <buffet> clever: yes ik, this is why im currently installing via configuration.nix atm, and once i got it ill just port it over. seems easier to get it working *somehow* first

12:05 <buffet> so the package is just broken atm

12:05 <clever> yep

12:05 <buffet> :(

12:05 <buffet> fixing timr

12:06 <clever> you can also test it with just config.nix and `nix-build '<nixpkgs>' -A chromium`

12:06 <clever> no need for nixos-rebuild or home-manager

12:06 <buffet> i guess thats clever

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12:10 <etu> \o/

12:10 <etu> <3 {^_^}

12:10 <{^_^}> {^_^}'s karma got increased to 162

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12:19 <stammon> I can't install waybar even though it's packaged for nixos. I'm on the nixos-unstable channel.

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12:21 <buffet> stammon: what error are you getting?

12:26 <ivan> does anyone know how I might make grub-install work with my nbd device? ("error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/nbd0p2") https://gist.github.com/ivan/57c88101284e2a93330cbf5c6be9470f

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12:29 <clever> ivan: grub-install must be pointed to the root of a device, not the partition

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12:30 <ivan> clever: /dev/nbd0 is the root block device

12:31 <ivan> grub is trying to find some device number that I guess isn't going to work at all with the remote nbd stuff

12:31 <clever> ivan: what does `fdisk -l /dev/nbd0` report?

12:31 <ivan> clever: https://gist.github.com/ivan/57c88101284e2a93330cbf5c6be9470f#gistcomment-2919999

12:32 <clever> yeah, it should be using p1 for stage 1.5

12:32 <clever> i'm guessing it cant figure out what the device will be called at boot-time, and cant generate the right config to refer to the /boot fs

12:32 <clever> have you looked into iscsi yet?

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12:33 <ivan> heh, not really

12:33 <ivan> have you used nixos-install with iscsi?

12:33 <clever> ive had trouble with nbd even connecting reliably in the past

12:33 <clever> ive ran 2 machines on iscsi before

12:33 <ivan> I'm using nbd just for the install

12:34 <clever> ah, why not just run the installer directly on the target?

12:34 <ivan> rescue environment with no zfs and kexec'ing into nixos didn't work so well

12:34 <clever> what happened when you tried to kexec it?

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12:35 <ivan> I did something like https://gist.github.com/kylewlacy/c0781e9e8fb5acb50e78ad32c2b5de95 and I got disconnected after kexec with no SSH coming up

12:35 <ivan> no idea what really happened unless I get a KVM attached

12:36 <ivan> https://gist.github.com/ivan/46cd01e15f8208e5f7d1d28da6652987 was what I built

12:36 <ivan> machine has DHCP

12:36 <clever> ivan: the systemd.network.enable stuff may be messing with the dhcp support

12:37 <ivan> I removed that line

12:37 <clever> and line 13, openssh allows itself thru the firewall automatically

12:38 <clever> how much ram, and how big is the initrd file?

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12:39 <ivan> ah I'll just install zfs-dkms in the rescue environment and chroot to finish this

12:39 <ivan> clever: 64GB RAM

12:39 <clever> heh, ok, not OOM! lol

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12:46 <ivan> apt-get install zfs-dkms's /var/lib/dkms/zfs/0.6.5.9/build/configure appears to be stuck in a loop stat'ing /var/lib/dkms/spl/0.6.5.9/4.19.43/x86_64/spl_config.h

12:46 <ivan> really playing on hard mode today

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12:55 <{^_^}> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/fc67de1802f (from 5 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)

12:58 <angerman> does `nix-shell` evaluate `default.nix`?

12:58 <gchristensen> yes if shell.nix doesn't exist

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13:00 <angerman> gchristensen: but it doesnt seem like I can nix-shell -p attr-from-default.nix

13:00 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #61273 → pythonPackages.block-io: 1.1.9 -> 1.1.10 → https://git.io/fjCH6

13:00 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8qY

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13:08 <manveru> angerman: that'd be -A

13:08 <angerman> am I the only one who finds the cli highly confusing?

13:09 <manveru> no :)

13:09 <angerman> also the nix-build X -A Y -> nix build -f X Y ...

13:10 <manveru> the new CLI isn't really feature-complete yet, so the old is still around

13:10 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @basvandijk opened pull request #61633 → elasticsearch-curator: 5.6.0 -> 5.7.6 & upgrades of dependencies → https://git.io/fj8qR

13:11 <angerman> then again if I had any more time outside of the haskell.nix stuff, I'd probably try to fix a few minor issues I have with hydra. Eventually we'll all switch to domenkozar[m]'s hercules... but until then I'd still like a bit more insight into what hydra's actually doing. The amount of time I'm wondering what the hell is going on is the second biggest time sink after debuggung nix expressions.

13:11 <manveru> welcome to the club :D

13:12 <manveru> anyway, there's hope for better UX, but i think eelco is busy implementing flakes first

13:13 <manveru> to at least get rid of the super confusing channel concept

13:13 <manveru> and that should also improve hydra by unifying and simplifying the build inputs

13:14 <clever> manveru: how are channels confusing?

13:14 <manveru> clever: you never notice people in here asking about them?

13:14 <clever> its often just people adding the same channel to 2 users, and then one overrides the other

13:14 <manveru> like the typical "did you run this as root"?

13:14 <clever> and they update the wrong one

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13:15 <manveru> and there's no unified way of specifying channels in nix itself, so you end up with all kinds of fetchFromGitHub/fetchGit/fetchTarball/niv/etc...

13:15 <niksnut> manveru: well, flakes replace channels, so hopefully they will give better UX

13:16 <clever> fetchtarball can now refer to channels, but its just an alias over github URL's basically

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13:16 <manveru> then the mapping of NIX_PATH to "<whatever>" is not really newcomer-friendly either :)

13:16 <manveru> niksnut: exactly

13:16 <manveru> i was just trying to epxress why i think channels are confusing compared to flakes

13:17 * angerman is tripping over cabal inconsistencies...

13:18 <niksnut> manveru: flakes replace NIX_PATH too :-)

13:18 <niksnut> and fetchFromWhatever

13:18 <manveru> niksnut: i read the docs :)

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13:18 <clever> manveru: i read the source, docs can be wrong, lol

13:18 <manveru> never!

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13:19 <manveru> the doc is for the design, not sure how far along the code is

13:19 <niksnut> yeah, definitely don't trust the docs

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13:19 <clever> manveru: `nix repl --help` claims --arg and --argstr work

13:19 <clever> https://github.com/NixOS/nix/commit/d6ac762bf7dcc844db28dcc2f2864d8cebbb5cf6#diff-91407f0a297c7a82b431aafc199b24a6

13:19 <clever> this is what made it actually work

13:20 <manveru> :P

13:20 <clever> so if you are older then that rev, the --help is wrong, and it silently drops the args

13:20 <manveru> how would repl even take args...

13:21 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bjornfor merged pull request #61586 → saleae-logic: 1.2.28 -> 1.2.18 → https://git.io/fjlDi

13:21 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bjornfor pushed to master « saleae-logic: 1.2.28 -> 1.2.18 »: https://git.io/fj8qy

13:21 <clever> manveru: if you run it on a nix file, that defines a function

13:21 <manveru> i guess if you pass a file

13:21 <manveru> yeah, just never use it that way, so i didn't notice

13:21 <clever> nix repl '<nixpkgs>' --arg config '{ allowUnfree = true; }'

13:22 <manveru> NIXPKGS_ALLOW_UNFREE=1 ;)

13:22 <manveru> but ok, good to know

13:22 <clever> nix repl '<nixpkgs>' --argstr system x86_64-darwin --arg config '{ packageOverrides = pkgs: {}; }'

13:23 <clever> this forces it to evaluate for darwin (and use your darwin build slaves), and lets you specify overrides

13:23 <manveru> i'd just be happy if it had an .nixreplrc or something

13:23 <manveru> and supported vi bindings

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13:34 <angerman> so is there a way to annotate asserts with some more informative message?

13:34 <angerman> throw would be nice. but you can't do if x then throw; as far I know.

13:34 <clever> angerman: wrap them with builtins.trace i believe

13:35 <angerman> clever: the body? Hm...

13:35 <clever> angerman: nixos solved the assert problem, by not using asserts

13:35 <clever> you instead have a "nixos option" called assertions, which is a list of bool/string pairs

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13:35 <clever> and then the top-level attr will check that they are all true, before contiuing

13:35 <clever> and trace the strings if they arent

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13:36 <angerman> \o/

13:36 <clever> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-19.03/nixos/modules/system/boot/loader/grub/grub.nix#L617

13:37 <clever> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-19.03/nixos/modules/system/activation/top-level.nix#L131

13:37 <clever> then throw "\nFailed assertions:\n${concatStringsSep "\n" (map (x: "- ${x}") failedAssertions)}"

13:37 <clever> so the entire answer is wrapped with `if failed then throw else answer`

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13:39 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bjornfor pushed 2 commits to release-19.03: https://git.io/fj8mt

13:39 <angerman> clever: thanks.

13:40 <angerman> Guess this will be much better to understand than just some random "assert failed" https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qpIaclMC/

13:42 <clever> angerman: yep, that looks good

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14:09 <gchristensen> Hi, the host running {^_^} and my services is having some hardware problems, and I am not able to repair them because I am at jury duty. So, availability will be spotty until I get home -- probably not until tonight. My apologies.

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14:12 <pie__> > ({ a ? 1 }@args: args) {}

14:12 <{^_^}> { }

14:13 <pie__> is there some unintuitive reason that this is correct?

14:13 <pie__> I expected { a = 1; }

14:13 <gchristensen> args is the literal inputs

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14:13 <andi-> > (args@{ a ? 2}: args) {}

14:13 <{^_^}> { }

14:14 <andi-> but yeah it is the actual thing that was passed in.. being able to write it at the front and at the end always confuses me.. not sure why we need that

14:14 <adisbladis> ({ a ? 1 }@args: {inherit a;} // args) {}

14:14 <adisbladis> > ({ a ? 1 }@args: {inherit a;} // args) {}

14:14 <{^_^}> { a = 1; }

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14:17 <pie__> ok i dont like this but be back in a few minutes :P

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14:28 <pie__> is there any reason we couldnt have that populate the attribute names

14:28 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @NeQuissimus pushed to master « oh-my-zsh: 2019-05-11 -> 2019-05-17 »: https://git.io/fj8Yf

14:28 <pie__> so that when you pass args to another function defaults still get evaluated properly

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14:36 <infinisil> Yeah that could work

14:36 <infinisil> pie__: Actually no

14:36 <infinisil> With how it currently works, you can detect whether an attribute was passed or not at all

14:36 <infinisil> > (args@{ a ? 2 }: args ? a) {}

14:36 <{^_^}> false

14:36 <infinisil> > (args@{ a ? 2 }: args ? a) { a = 10; }

14:36 <{^_^}> true

14:37 <infinisil> And that can be useful in certain scenarios

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14:42 * pie__ scratches head

14:42 <pie__> hm

14:42 <pie__> this is a problem.

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14:43 <pie__> i guess a new operation would need to be introduced to get it to work

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14:44 <gchristensen> adisbladis's workaround isn't sufficient?

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14:48 <pie__> id like to avoid having to name all the arguments every time i just pipe an argument set through, it works, but i think its kind of ugly

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14:51 <pie__> is it possible to at least inherit all attrs without naming them specificall?

14:51 <pie__> or is that just with

14:51 <pie__> (but with has different scoping)

14:51 <pie__> (semantics, something something)

14:54 <pie__> the reasons make sense but i think this is way clumsier than it should be, if theres any reasonable way to do this

14:54 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nh2 closed pull request #61614 → openblas: 0.3.5 -> 0.3.6 → https://git.io/fj8vb

14:55 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl closed pull request #48674 → MCFM: init at 8.2 → https://git.io/fxV9S

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15:00 <pie__> i dont suppose theres a builtingfor getting things in the current scope or something

15:01 <infinisil> You could roll your own defaults mechanism

15:01 <catern> is there a direct way to get the path that "nix edit" uses?

15:02 <infinisil> > (args: { a = 1 } // args) {}

15:02 <{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting ';', at (string):253:16

15:02 <catern> I can do "EDITOR=echo nix edit whatever" as a hack, but I'd like to do it more directly

15:02 <infinisil> > (args: { a = 1; } // args) {}

15:02 <{^_^}> { a = 1; }

15:02 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #60573 → openblas: 0.3.5 -> 0.3.6 → https://git.io/fjZs5

15:02 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer pushed 2 commits to staging: https://git.io/fj8YP

15:02 <infinisil> > (args: { a = 1; } // args) { a = 2; }

15:02 <{^_^}> { a = 2; }

15:02 <infinisil> pie__: ^^

15:02 <pie__> catern, i think its unsafeSomethingorOther

15:02 <pie__> builtins.unsafeGetAttrPos "attrname" attrset

15:02 <pie__> catern, ^

15:02 <catern> Interesting

15:03 <catern> I was hoping for a command line thing I could tell a user, I guess I'll just stick to telling them the EDITOR=echo hack

15:03 <infinisil> Well nix edit actually uses meta.position (which uses builtins.unsafeGetAttrPos underneath)

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15:03 <infinisil> > hello.meta.position

15:03 <{^_^}> "/var/lib/nixbot/nixpkgs/master/repo/pkgs/applications/misc/hello/default.nix:15"

15:03 <pie__> infinisil, hm. i actually already do that for some stuff.

15:03 <catern> infinisil: ah, that's much better

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15:04 <pie__> huh.

15:04 <pie__> infinisil, man how do you know all this stuff :P

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15:04 <infinisil> Looking at the source over time, I guess :)

15:05 <pie__> guess i spend too much time building random crap

15:06 <catern> "nix eval nixpkgs.hello.meta.position" is perfect to tell my users

15:07 <pie__> could probably also do nix eval builtins.unsafeGetAttrPos "name" attrset but yeah yours looks cleaner :p

15:08 <pie__> i always did find unsafeGetAttrPos's signature weird :I

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15:09 <infinisil> Would be `nix eval '(builtins.unsafeGetAttrPos "description" (import <nixpkgs> {}).hello.meta)'` then

15:09 <infinisil> More or less

15:10 <infinisil> See https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/9d200707bad9e8494c36e9b1c6d184fc80fe3ec9/pkgs/stdenv/generic/make-derivation.nix#L72-L77

15:11 <pie__> infinisil, ah

15:11 <pie__> oops

15:12 <pie__> cant do nixpkgs.hello.meta in that one?

15:13 <infinisil> Only one way to find out!

15:15 <clever> [clever@system76:~]$ nix eval '(with import <nixpkgs> {}; hello.meta.position)'

15:15 <clever> "/nix/store/i2digbjggcjmr419j51imq0xwk4qrq69-nixos-19.09pre177651.aeb464dfd37/nixos/pkgs/applications/misc/hello/default.nix:15"

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15:20 <infinisil> Yeah but that's just the same as `nix eval nixpkgs.hello.meta.position`

15:20 <infinisil> If you wanted to use unsafeGetAttrPos directly then what I mentioned would be the way to go

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15:22 <pie__> infinisil, i dont understand why you need an import in one but not the otehr

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15:22 <pie__> but i havent tried to execute it

15:23 <infinisil> nix eval without () is special and doesn't correspend to an expression directly

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15:24 <infinisil> I think `nix eval foo.*.*` gets translated to roughly `nix eval '(import <foo> {}).*.*'` (plus auto-calling of functions)

15:24 <infinisil> UM, I mean `nix eval '((import <foo> {}).*.*)'`

15:25 <infinisil> Parentheses around the argument makes nix eval treat it as a standard expression

15:25 <{^_^}> Channel nixos-19.03-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/ec5cbc24de5 (from 4 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-19.03-small)

15:26 <clever> infinisil: ive found that anoying

15:26 <pie__> infinisil, woo hidden magic :p

15:27 <pie__> or rather, inconsistency

15:27 <pie__> cmon nix is supposed to be the new cleaned up thing :p

15:28 <pie__> nix2

15:28 <infinisil> Related: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/2722

15:28 <{^_^}> nix#2722 (by Infinisil, 9 weeks ago, open): Inconsistent behavior of -A with functors

15:29 <pie__> looks scary

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15:32 <pie__> oh! nix just hit 1000 on the issue counter! :D

15:32 <pie__> 19 hours ago

15:32 <Taneb> :O

15:33 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #61563 → horst: 5.0 -> 5.1, cleanup a bit → https://git.io/fjlo8

15:33 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8O0

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15:36 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #61512 → winstone: drop package and service → https://git.io/fjlmm

15:36 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8Og

15:37 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8O2

15:37 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #61510 → libfaketime: refactor using `builtins.placeholder` → https://git.io/fjlqw

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15:37 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #61506 → pythonPackages.fasttext: init at 0.2.0 → https://git.io/fjlLQ

15:37 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8Oa

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15:39 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #61147 → memtest86+: update / remove legacy memtest86 → https://git.io/fjcHc

15:39 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fj8Ow

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15:41 <NemesisD> is it possible to set up a nix cache server in a particular project's expression rather than globally?

15:41 <NemesisD> one that merges with the global cache servers that are configured

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15:46 <camsbury> NemesisD: you can use flags on `nix-build` and `nix-shell` for this

15:46 <camsbury> something like --substituters

15:46 <camsbury> you can look it up in the manual under the serving cache section

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15:47 <camsbury> you can also do `nix copy --from https://cache-url -f default.nix buildInputs` for example

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15:48 <NemesisD> camsbury: my idea was that a project could have a project-specific cache defined in default.nix that way it gets stored in source control, is overrideable, etc

15:48 <camsbury> gotcha

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15:48 <camsbury> yeah good question... not sure about that

15:49 <camsbury> seems like it might have to be separate from the expression itself

15:49 <camsbury> would be great if it didn't have to be though

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15:50 <hansbauer[m]> hi! im having problems with the radeon hd 7290 apu with glitched graphics. do someone had this problem too?

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16:11 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil closed pull request #61607 → [r17.09] leptonica: patch multiple CVEs → https://git.io/fj8ew

16:14 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil closed pull request #61608 → [r18.03] leptonica: patch multiple CVEs → https://git.io/fj8er

16:14 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nlewo merged pull request #61294 → skaffold: 0.28.0 -> 0.29.0 → https://git.io/fjCbq

16:14 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nlewo pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fj83L

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16:24 <DigitalKiwi> if you boot one profile, do a nixos-rebuild --upgrade switch, don't reboot, do a nix-collect-garbage -d, will it keep both the one you booted and the one you switched to?

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16:28 <adisbladis> DigitalKiwi: Yes, it will keep both around

16:29 <adisbladis> DigitalKiwi: NixOS creates gc-roots in /nix/var/nix/gcroots/booted-system and /nix/var/nix/gcroots/current-system

16:31 <DigitalKiwi> cool, thanks. I thought that was how it worked but I wanted to make sure

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16:41 <clever> DigitalKiwi: but it will delete the generation for the booted one, so once you do reboot it has no roots, and can be GC'd

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16:46 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b opened pull request #61637 → [18.09] spectre-meltdown-checker: 0.39 -> 0.41 → https://git.io/fj83a

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16:52 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl closed pull request #42374 → singularity: add checkPhase → https://git.io/f4D9P

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16:58 <Neva> can i ask a question about NixOS here?

16:58 <Yaniel> if you dare

16:58 <adisbladis> :D

16:58 <Neva> i have a question about the keyboard layout settings

16:59 <Yaniel> I'm on the edge of my seat

17:00 <Neva> is it possible to assign multiple characters (like space and enter) to the same key, but a different amount of strokes (like 1 stroke: space, 2 strokes: enter) without *too* much coding?

17:01 <infinisil> That doesn't seem very NixOS related

17:01 <Neva> i guess, but still

17:02 <infinisil> Neva: What do you mean by "stroke"?

17:02 <Neva> i remember that nix uses a .nix file for the keyboard which loads a .kbd file (or so)

17:02 <Neva> like how often i hit/tap/stroke/... it

17:02 <Yaniel> nix does not load anything like that

17:02 <Yaniel> it writes configuration files for whatever you install with it

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17:03 <infinisil> Neva: Okay but like, if you press the button once, should it be a space or should it wait for a potential second press?

17:04 <Neva> it should wait like a second or two for a another stroke, unless it's a different key

17:04 <infinisil> Hmm, I don't know of any program that would allow you to do that easily

17:04 <Yaniel> I think you need an IME for that

17:05 <gchristensen> Maybe xcape can do that.

17:05 <Yaniel> not sure if one like you describe exists

17:05 <infinisil> gchristensen: I don't think so, but yeah Neva look into xcape too, maybe what it can do will work too

17:05 <Neva> so if i press 65 (should be a) it waits if i press 65 again (which would result in say ae), but if i press 66 (should be b) then it straight away enters "ab"

17:05 <infinisil> for you

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17:06 <Yaniel> but what if you press b again

17:06 <Yaniel> shouldn't it only enter "a" and wait for another b

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17:06 <Neva> if not set to another key, then it doesn't wait

17:07 <Yaniel> yeah this sounds like a custom IME

17:07 <Neva> i used a and b, because in german we have a and ae (an umlaut), b doens't have any modifications

17:07 <infinisil> Yaniel: IME?

17:07 <Yaniel> Input Method Editor

17:07 <Neva> windows has one for japanese

17:07 <Yaniel> what you use to input chinese or japanese or korean

17:08 <Yaniel> or if you use the press-and-hold feature to input diacritics on macs

17:08 <Neva> yeah

17:08 <infinisil> That seems a bit overboard for this simple functionality

17:08 <Neva> which is why i asked

17:08 <Yaniel> well if you just want a way to input diacritics, that is covered by 1) dead keys 2) compose key

17:09 <Neva> i used to use nixos, that was a bit ago, but i wanted to get back to it, and saw the "Keyboard Layout Customization" page

17:09 <Yaniel> if your keyboard has dead keys everything should Just Work out of the box

17:10 <Yaniel> probably same thing if it has a compose key (never had one myself)

17:10 <Neva> since i've grown very, very used to the english keyboard (which also helps me developing), but i need a way to write german, at best without switching keyboards

17:10 <Yaniel> which english keyboard

17:11 <Neva> qwertyuiop[]

17:11 <Yaniel> the name of the layout please

17:11 <Yaniel> there are 9001 layouts that start with qwertyu

17:11 <Neva> Ubuntu names it "English (US)", windows calls it just "English"

17:11 <ben> i taught my terminal special keybindings for german umlauts and the wonky s, seems to work well enough

17:12 <Yaniel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_United_States.svg this one?

17:12 <Yaniel> or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_US-International.svg ?

17:13 <Yaniel> or perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_Intl_English_Mac_-_Apple_Keyboard_(MC184Z).svg

17:13 <Neva> Third, just with a small change in layout

17:13 <Neva> same amount of keys though

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17:16 <Yaniel> what is a "small change in layout"

17:16 <Yaniel> mirrored horizontally?

17:16 <Neva> the plus-minus symbol is the tilde, those small changes

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17:18 <Neva> but i have the same amount of keys

17:19 <Neva> apart from the plus minus and tilde, i don't think there are any differences actually, except that i have ctrl, fn, windows, alt, spacce, alt gr, ctrl

17:19 <Yaniel> in other words it's the 1st one but with a tall enter key

17:19 <Neva> (instead of fn, control, option, command, ...)

17:20 <Neva> well between shift and z there's also a key

17:20 <Yaniel> https://getfreewrite.com/pages/ansi-vs-iso-keyboard-guide

17:20 <Neva> ISO, yes

17:21 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « haskell-tasty-hedgehog: current versions need hedgehog 1.x or later »: https://git.io/fj8sU

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17:22 <Yaniel> you could switch the layout to US Intl

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17:22 <Yaniel> or configure a compose key

17:22 <Neva> a compose key?

17:22 <Yaniel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key

17:23 <{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage2nix: disable broken builds on Hydra »: https://git.io/fj8st

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17:27 <Neva> I guess, i'll still look aournd a bit, but thatnks

17:28 <Neva> thanks*

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17:30 <Izorkin> .locate GLIB_GSETTINGS

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18:37 <tbenst_> I have some packages in nixpkgs pull requests that have yet to be merged. anyone know the preferred way to reference forks in configuration.nix or home.nix? Should I add each fork as a channel..?

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18:40 <clever> tbenst_: i just load the default.nix's in using callPackage in the packageOverrides or overlays

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18:44 <tbenst_> clever, ah ok, I guess the problem there is I have pkgs across a couple branchs of my local nixpkgs folder, so I think I'd have to make a seperate folder for each / copy the default.nix file I guess

18:46 <tbenst_> I suppose duplicating the packages in another folder is the least evil option, thx!

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18:49 <lunik1> is there an example config or anything in the manual about how to set up and configure apparmour?

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19:06 <Izorkin> How to fix build? source - https://pastebin.com/U7T0yz0p Error - Makefile:951: *** missing separator. Stop.

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19:14 <tbenst_> clever, any idea what is wrong with my overlays here? https://gist.github.com/tbenst/47ca22c136795cde28603b673a69d80a

19:14 <tbenst_> I'm guessing I'm missing something for pythonPackages..

19:17 <clever> tbenst_: what error is it giving?

19:18 <clever> ah, i see it

19:18 <andi-> Izorkin: you are probably not using tabs in your makefile

19:18 <clever> so line 11 is refering to ps.nbdime, via the `with ps`

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19:18 <tbenst_> yes that's the error

19:18 <clever> tbenst_: line 7 is adding nbdime directly to pkgs, not the python packages

19:18 <clever> so you would do pkgs.nbdime

19:19 <clever> (which will likely fail if its a python based default.nix)

19:19 <tbenst_> hm I was worried as much

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19:20 <tbenst_> how can I add to python packages instead?

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19:21 <tbenst_> pkg.pythonPackages.nbdime?

19:22 <tbenst_> `pythonPackages.nbdime = super.callPackage [...]` doesn't work

19:23 <Izorkin> andi-: need fix source file - default.nix ?

19:24 <clever> tbenst_: pythonPackages.nbdime=x; is identical to pythonPackages = { nbdime = x; };

19:24 <andi-> Izorkin: well the make error suggests that.. I haven't looked into the past just yet

19:24 <clever> tbenst_: both forms, wipe all other values from pythonPackages

19:25 <clever> 8009 pythonInterpreters = callPackage ./../development/interpreters/python {};

19:25 <clever> 8010 inherit (pythonInterpreters) python27 python35 python36 python37 pypy27 pypy35;

19:27 <clever> 19 # For the Python package set

19:27 <clever> 20 , packageOverrides ? (self: super: {})

19:28 <clever> tbenst_: found it

19:28 <clever> python37.override { packageOverrides = self: super: {}; }

19:28 <clever> tbenst_: this will let you apply python overlays to python37, and create a new python package set

19:29 <clever> you then use a nixpkgs overlay (what you have now) to replace pkgs.python37 with the result

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19:35 <tbenst_> clever: whew, got it working! https://gist.github.com/tbenst/47ca22c136795cde28603b673a69d80a

19:35 <tbenst_> thanks!

19:40 <clever> tbenst_: yep, thats one way to get it working

19:41 <clever> tbenst_: if you add: python36 = super.python37.override {packageOverrides = self.pythonOverrides;}; to the overlays.nix, then you can just use pkgs.python37 later on

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19:41 <clever> and when you do remove the overlay, python.nix wont change any

19:41 <mwilsoncoding> hey all- anyone know how to utilize a specific `wheel` version when building python packages?

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20:26 <tbenst_> great thx clever!

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20:47 <catern> hmm, I want to pre-create a Nix database with the right path validity information so I can just copy it into a container (without having to actually enter the container and run Nix commands)

20:47 <catern> what are the files I should copy? just the SQLite database?

20:48 <catern> i.e. just the contents of /nix/var/nix/db? or do I need more things besides that?

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20:52 <clever> catern: there is --dump-db and --load-db to deal with exporting/importing the db as a text file

20:52 <catern> Indeed, I'm very familiar with them

20:52 <clever> catern: and there are utils to generate a fake export, that contains the closure of a given path

20:52 <catern> But I don't want to use --load-db because using --load-db would require running a Nix command inside the container

20:53 <clever> it might be possible to run --load-db inside a derivation, with NIX_REMOTE=local?root=/tmp/dummy/

20:53 <catern> Instead I'd rather just be able to copy the already-formatted db into the container, pre-initialized with the right validity information

20:53 <clever> which would generate a db

20:53 <catern> Yep, that's what I'm thinking about doing

20:54 <catern> Would it then suffice to copy in /nix/var/nix/db to the container?

20:55 <clever> yeah

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21:00 <catern> It's mildly useful to have a Nix bootstrap script that doesn't actually need to have nix be mounted at /nix

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21:06 <LnL> what kind of containe?

21:07 <cizra> What's the recommended way of setting up project-specific environments? (for example, scons, clang, etc for C++)

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21:09 <catern> LnL: my own homebrew thing

21:10 <LnL> I mean the format, the dockerTools functions have support for images with a nix db

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21:37 <genesis> cizra : you can write a shell.nix as i do here https://github.com/bignaux/Magick2CPC/blob/master/shell.nix

21:37 <genesis> then use nix-shell .

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21:41 <infinisil> genesis: (no need for the ".", it's implicit)

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21:42 <genesis> haha it was just an end of sentence

21:43 <genesis> i didn't mean nix-shell .

21:43 <cizra> genesis: Thanks!

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21:51 <cizra> Forgive my many dumb questions, but I'm trying to write a nixpkg -- does it HAVE to live inside the nixpkgs tree? Using an out-of-tree default.nix, I get this error: error: cannot auto-call a function that has an argument without a default value ('stdenv')

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22:02 <clever> ,callPackage cizra

22:03 <clever> one sec

22:03 <clever> 2019-04-03 01:30:01< {^_^}> If a Nix file foo.nix starts with something like `{ stdenv, cmake }:`, you can build it with `nix-build -E '(import <nixpkgs> {}).callPackage ./foo.nix {}'`

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22:08 <cizra> Thanks!

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22:17 <infinisil> genesis: Haha I see

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22:27 <cizra> I'm trying to build The Dark Mod. I created a shell.nix containing dependencies, including binutils and scons. Yet scons cannot find strip, but I can run strip manually. How to fix scons?

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22:31 <clever> catern: binutils will be in the shell by default, no need to add it

22:31 <cizra> Yeah, I noticed, but scons nevertheless doesn't see it.

22:33 <bennofs[m]> Is there a hydra jobset for nixpkgs branches for the nixos releases?

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22:37 <bennofs[m]> ah, those jobsets are under the nixos project, https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/release-19.03#tabs-configuration for example

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22:55 <meizikyn> hello #nixos

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23:06 <manveru> cizra: not sure this compiles all the way, but it's a start :) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DO1zyryf/default.nix

23:07 <manveru> big fan of thief, so would like to try the dark mod too :) will see if i can get a proper package for it tomorrow

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23:09 <meizikyn> manveru: just joined so I don't have buffer of what your talking about, but what game are you referring to?

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23:11 <manveru> http://www.thedarkmod.com/main/

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23:14 <meizikyn> thx

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23:19 <bennofs[m]> spidermonkey is part of the base system closure? o.o

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23:23 <bennofs[m]> thanks polkit :/

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23:35 <bourbon> hi - I'm trying to add telegraf to my default.nix, but my nixxing fails due to it not being supported on darwin

23:35 <bourbon> what can I look at to see what platforms are supported by a derivation?

23:35 <bourbon> still very very noob

23:36 <bourbon> this is the telegraf nix: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/services/monitoring/telegraf.nix

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