<pop>
I know you hear this all the time, but this is awesome.
<pop>
Like... building packages is finally a *joy*.
<copumpkin>
it never gets old :)
<copumpkin>
it gets sort of addictive
<gchristensen>
I love doing grunt work like build/release engineering now
<gchristensen>
s/like/in/
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<pop>
And with a community like this, what's not to love ;)
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<gchristensen>
I also agree :)
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<gchristensen>
hydra is amazing, nixpkgs:trunk is cranking through ~12-20 jobs a minute
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<Winchell1M>
How does one install gvim in nixos?
<Winchell1M>
Doesnt seem to be apackage for it?
<gchristensen>
vimHugeX I think
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<Winchell1M>
Yes that was it
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<deceract>
How would one install the purescript compiler, bower, and pulp with nix in ubuntu? I install node/npm and purescript purs, but I don't know how to 'npm install -g bower pulp'. Could some one help me figure out how to do that? After trying for a while, I ended up installing node/npm via the conventional manner, so I could npm the other dependencies.
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<JameySharp[m]>
gchristensen: what are you looking at regarding Hydra log-jams? I see e.g. http://hydra.nixos.org/eval/1376490 has just as many queued jobs as it did a few hours ago. I'm just trying to understand what to look at to see build progress.
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<gchristensen>
JameySharp[m]: seeing the channel move forward is waht I meant
<gchristensen>
unstable was not doing well this past weekend so I've been baby-sitting it
<hyper_ch>
adisbladis: I have no idea how that is releveant.... if I check nixpkgs-unstable was updated 3h ago, nixos-unstable-small 6 days ago, nixos-unstable 15 days ago, nixos 17.03 small 20 hours ago and nixos 17.03 1 day ago
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ElijahCaine opened pull request #27486: development/tools: Initial addition of ct package. (master...ct-package-initial) https://git.io/vQhzN
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<pop>
Oh hey that's me ^
<simpson>
pop: Oh hey, it's you. First-time PR to nixpkgs?
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<simpson>
Ah, I see, you need a fixup phase of some sort.
* simpson
reads buildGoPackage
<pop>
simpson: Oh hey! Yes, please let me know what I can do to fix that. I know it's a one or two line change, just don't know which lines or where they go.
<simpson>
postFixup = ''mv $out/bin/internal $out/bin/ct''; # something like this maybe
<pop>
Ah, there's an idea.
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<pop>
Also, this fails to build on Mac (or so says Travis) how important is it that the build succeeds on mac? I can probably make that work, just want to make sure the effort isn't misplaced.
<simpson>
buildGoPackage has a preFixup hook, but not a postFixup, so that should be fine. A comment might help the next person to touch this, especially if it's Future You.
<simpson>
Ignore Travis unless somebody asks you to make it pass.
<pop>
Heh, good to know :) Thank's simpson++ I'll try postFixup and see if that works.
<simpson>
gchristensen: ^^^ 0-10, how appropriate is this advice given your recent work in the past few months? I feel like it's the right move but maybe it's too loose.
<pop>
Thanks again for the help tonight. Feeling good about this *first time contribution*. /me is gonna hit get some sleep and push any (hopefully successful) changes in the morning. &
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<manveru>
schoppenhauer: what version of bundix?
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<ikwildrpepper>
niksnut: install of the last 3 didn't finish in time yesterday, and can only enable all macs at once, as I need to do some network patching
<ikwildrpepper>
they're expected to be up in about 3 houts
<ikwildrpepper>
hours
<ikwildrpepper>
copumpkin: ^^^
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<schoppenhauer>
manveru: it is clear that it doesn't know the source, because there is no official source. it is a local project.
<manveru>
wonder what source it is
<schoppenhauer>
manveru: a local directory (?)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] dywedir opened pull request #27488: emacs-all-the-icons-fonts: 2.6.4 -> 3.1.1 (master...emacs-all-the-icons-fonts) https://git.io/vQhMC
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<manveru>
sorry, i can't help you more right now, i'm working, but i'll give it a try tonight...
<schoppenhauer>
manveru: same here, I'll come back to you this evening
<schoppenhauer>
if that is ok
<manveru>
sure
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] zimbatm pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQhD9
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 812346c zimbatm: google-compute-engine: init at 20170523
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master c93d68b zimbatm: google-compute-image module: use google services...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 14f53e5 zimbatm: Merge pull request #26214 from zimbatm/google-compute-image...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] zimbatm closed pull request #27273: jruby: changes to make it possible to use in development environment (master...jruby-gem-fix) https://git.io/vQPLB
<WilliamHamilton>
the-kenny: sorry for the followup question, but is there a suffix like `.cc` that gives me the version `.so`, like `libgfortran.so.3`?
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<the-kenny>
WilliamHamilton: the suffix is just a special case for the wrapper-stuff of gfortran. Please don't confuse that :) I'll take a look if there's a build that gives you the .so
<adisbladis>
joepie91: Either you do it in the same PR or I'll do it separately
<the-kenny>
WilliamHamilton: ah! :) gfortran.cc.lib gives you the full package. (the .lib suffix is a common convention here)
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<WilliamHamilton>
thanks the-kenny! How did you check that?
<WilliamHamilton>
how are you discovering these names :D
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<the-kenny>
WilliamHamilton: I just tried it ;) the .cc one I got from grepping the nixpkgs repository, the .lib one was just in my mind (as it's common)
<the-kenny>
WilliamHamilton: knowledge like this comes automatically when you familiarize yourself with nixpkgs (or play around in nix-repl)
<the-kenny>
nix-repl actually gives you tab-completion, but you still need some prior knowledge
<the-kenny>
other good starting points are the manuals and maybe the nix-pills blog series
<WilliamHamilton>
ok, so what was the grep command you used? Because `nix-env -qa | grep gfortran` doesn't mention the .cc suffix
<WilliamHamilton>
the-kenny: I see, thanks; and you said that .lib is a common pattern, right? So the difference between thing and thing.lib is that the latter contains *so files?
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<WilliamHamilton>
(btw this trick of searching on the github source will be very useful, as I can see the solution of similar problems)
<the-kenny>
WilliamHamilton: that's partially correct, yes. The foo.lib stuff gives you the "lib" parts of the `foo` derivation (iff foo is a multiple-outputs derivation). nixpkgs does this for bigger packages so you don't have to pull for example all docs or all lib files if you just need bin/
<joepie91>
adisbladis: if you have the time to `cherry-pick -x` and test-build the others, then please do so :P I have too much on my plate right now, especially considering the build times
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<WilliamHamilton>
perfect, the-kenny, that manual page put things in context; I also solved my original problem by using gfortran.cc.lib in my derivation, so thanks again for the help!
<joepie91>
"The nox-review command helps you find what has changed in nixpkgs, and build changed packages, so you're sure they are not broken. There are 3 modes:"
<joepie91>
[list of two items]
<joepie91>
:)
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<LnL>
heh
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQhNF
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 0671b88 David Sferruzza: veracrypt: 1.19 -> 1.21
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] wmertens created rsync-own-zlib (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vQhx3
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/rsync-own-zlib 56aa73c Wout Mertens: rsync: build with own zlib again...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] wmertens opened pull request #27495: rsync: build with own zlib again (master...rsync-own-zlib) https://git.io/vQhxZ
<gilligan_>
does anyone know of a nice programmatic way to determine the latest commit of some nixpkgs channel without having a working copy? The github api could provide that but that would require a token which I don't have - I would love to have thtat to write myself an auto-update.sh script that updates my pinned nixpkgs revision in a json file
<gchristensen>
globin: I can't fix most hydra machines fwiw
<globin>
gchristensen: I know :)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQhj9
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8bfa41c Jörg Thalheim: python.pkgs.ropper: document test failure on some setups...
<gchristensen>
simpson: I'd say your advice is Just Fine because otherwise we have to get in to the full nuance of when travis is okay and when it isn't, and until pop is ready to become a full maintainer with commit bit, doesn't need to know our dirty travis laundry :)
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 69dd245 Graham Christensen: Merge pull request #27489 from joepie91/patch/cherrypick-node...
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<joepie91>
\o/
<gchristensen>
simpson: you're welcome :)
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<gilligan_>
oh.. nix-prefetch-url should really have a silent option so it doesn't print the downloading progress ;/
<gilligan_>
2>/dev/null works, but still
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<dtzWill>
anyone else find hydra-queue-runner gets "stuck" (0/x builds in queue) somewhat regularly, but in a way such that restarting it starts processing jobs?
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<gchristensen>
dtzWill: are you low on space?
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<dtzWill>
gchristensen: shouldn't be! It might happen w/concurrent auto-gc; i'll double-check logs and such, particularly that the free-space-checking-thing isn't firing
<dtzWill>
forgot about that entirely :3
<ikwildrpepper>
copumpkin, niksnut: all mac's (28 build slots) are up and running again
<gchristensen>
ikwildrpepper: ! <3 yay! thank you :D
<LnL>
look at all of those machines building stuff <3
<ikwildrpepper>
temperature in the office is getting higher again
<ikwildrpepper>
:p
<dtzWill>
as I understand it from my last attempt to chase it down, hydra-queue-runner seems to somehow think the highest build # it should look for is.. higher than jobs on the queue.
<dtzWill>
yeah definitely not full on disk
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<dtzWill>
(thanks though :))
<LnL>
don't think I've seen that before
<gchristensen>
ikwildrpepper: is that how you monitor the local hydra builders? "hmm, it is much too comfortable in here."
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<FRidh>
I recall a discussion about giving Nix the possibility to determine the path of where e.g. a function is defined. Is this a planned or implemented feature?
<gchristensen>
that sounds nice
<LnL>
dtzWill: playing with nix 1.12 I did notice the daemon get stuck sometimes, but that might be just because I reloaded the launchd service
<dtzWill>
happens for me all the time, think it's some mix between large jobsets, jobsets that build on one another, and jobs that have dependencies that are explicit jobs in other jobsets. I got lost in that code before sorting anything, could all be due to something else which is why I thought I'd ask
<gchristensen>
ikwildrpepper: if you want, I'll take them over winter to help keep my office warm (it is a chilly 18C in there over winter ...)
<dtzWill>
LnL: interesting. nix-daemon itself is what got stuck? I do have nixUnstable on one or more nodes, forget which I have on the hydra machine itself
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<LnL>
ie no builds in hydra but multiple nix-daemon processes where running on the builder
<ikwildrpepper>
18C sounds nice to me :o
<dtzWill>
LnL: interesting, I'll look for that maybe that's what happens
<LnL>
dtzWill: I think the build couldn't report back to the daemon and since it restarted the new instance didn't know about the build something
<gchristensen>
ikwildrpepper: for stationary sitting-at-my-desk-typing work? :|
<dtzWill>
interesting. I thought it was roughly timed with hydra machine's gc but the builders /do/ auto-update so that might (but only some days) restart daemons and maybe that's related....hooray new direction to investigate/consider, ty :)
<LnL>
oh a gc liveness check might block builds for a while
<LnL>
since hydra generates a lot of roots
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<dtzWill>
yeah but no it blocks permanently lol (and shouldn't be fixed by a restart of hydra-queue-runner, I'd think?)
<Guest64705>
Does it stick around after the install finishes catern?
<LnL>
nix-env always uses ~/.nix-defexpr unless you specify -f
<gilligan_>
LnL, FRidh thanks
<catern>
Guest64705: yes? not sure what you mean
<ben>
catern: it operates on a mount point or w/e with no /etc/passwd in it already, right?
<catern>
ben: yes
<Guest64705>
Well after it boots does it replace the passwd with a new one, i mean
<catern>
ah
<catern>
I haven't booted it yet, I'm just nixos-install --chroot'd in
<ben>
It seems too late to do that after booting, no?
<ben>
Like if you set your user's password and then rebooted, it can't go and overwrite it again
<catern>
yes, indeed
<catern>
wait a second sorry I think I'm wrong :)
<clever>
ben: that will depend on if you have enabled or disabled mutable users
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<ben>
yeah I'm assuming mutable users as the only excuse it'd have to copy /etc/passwd from the running system in the first place :)
<gchristensen>
ben: no it might happen when activating the system generation, which happens at boot
<ben>
I dunno if mutable-users retains all existing users or only the properties of configuration.nix-configured users
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<catern>
from inside the chroot to /mnt/nix, it appears /mnt/nix/etc/passwd is the same as the /etc/passwd from outside the chroot, but outside the chroot it appears that /mnt/nix/etc/passwd is some sane default stuff
<catern>
not sure how yet
<clever>
catern: what does "mount" say when ran both inside and outside?
<clever>
any bind mounts over passwd?
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<ben>
that sounds confusing
<catern>
/dev/sdc5 on /etc/passwd type ext4 (ro,relatime,data=ordered)
<catern>
/dev/sdc5 on /etc/group type ext4 (ro,relatime,data=ordered)
<catern>
that's inside the chroot
<ben>
whoa
<clever>
yeah, it mounted something over /etc/passwd
<catern>
you can mount a single file?
<ben>
that seems almost reasonable then, I guess
<ben>
news to me too
<catern>
or is this just indicative of a bind mount of a single file?
<clever>
yeah, i was also surprised that files can be bind mounted
<clever>
i thought it was only directories
<ben>
love having shared mutable state hardwired into everything as fs paths
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<cinimod>
clever: I can work around this by `ghc-pkg list --simple-output
<cinimod>
`
<clever>
that works
<cinimod>
Annoying though
<clever>
id just throw an alias into .bashrc
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<qknight>
clever: maybe i can use eval?
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<clever>
qknight: what are you trying to do?
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<qknight>
clever: i have a mkOption with a type and the apply function of that type should compile a mkDerivation and if it successds return x or abort "error foo" otherwise
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<clever>
qknight: it will already abort if the derivation fails
<clever>
no need to handle the failure specialy
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<qknight>
clever: YES that is true but i need to return x not the mkDerivation string to the store
<qknight>
clever: in the apply function: x: x;
<qknight>
clever: now how to put the mkDerivation into that?
<clever>
weird, your trying to build a derivation over x, and then just use x?
<qknight>
clever: apply -> x: if (x > 5) then x else abort "x is not > 5";
<clever>
ah
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<clever>
why does it need a whole derivation to test the value?
<qknight>
clever: because i have to feed the proxyConfiguration into nginx: t=$(${pkgs.nginx}/bin/nginx -t -c $out/nginx-reverse-proxy.conf_ -g "pid nginx.pid; worker_processes 2; " 2>&1)
<clever>
ahh, your having nginx lint the config file
<clever>
i would just have the derivation copy the valid config file to $out, and then return the result of the mkDerivation
<qknight>
clever: i could use buitilins.exec but that is not in nix yet or probably deactivated by default
<clever>
so nix treats it as a transform
<clever>
but internally, it applies no changes
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<qknight>
clever: i'm doing config file syntax check but also transform the configuration with auto-indenting
<qknight>
clever: so if it fails it is easier to debug since the line alignment isn't weird
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<qknight>
shlevy: maybe i should be using builtins.exec
<qknight>
shlevy: i need to reformat the nginx.conf and apply a syntax check on it. for that i'm using sed to format it and nginx -t -c nginx.conf to check for syntax
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<qknight>
shlevy: i was able to use a mkDerivation to use the refined configuration in our setup but now i want to use the apply function of the 'option system' to do a check and i can't use mkDerivation there
<qknight>
shlevy: now, is buitlins.exec now eabled by default, can i just assume it to be working on all nix installations?
<clever>
qknight: i think its disabled by default
<qknight>
clever: i do so, too
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<LexLeoGryfon>
hell o!
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<justlex>
does nix support automatic install of PyPi packages? otherwise, i feel like I have to manually create nix package for existing pip package, right?
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<justlex>
thanks for help by the way
<mudri>
Anyone around who knows about Ruby on Nix? If so, I'll find the error messages again.
<justlex>
thank you very much, didn't saw that article in search engine... will try to read it now
<NickHu>
Has anyone else experienced problems with gpg-agent recently?
<NickHu>
I have errors of "cannot listen on more than one std socket" in systemctl --user status gpg-agent
<NickHu>
And it causes lots of gpg operations, like gpg-connect-agent, to hang indefinitely
<copumpkin>
pierron, gchristensen: so here's an example of the thing I'm talking about. Exhibitor (a zookeeper management service) has what's effectively an (implicit) sum type for its config. If this were Haskell, it would be something like `data Mode = S3 {- a bunch of s3-specific options -} | Zookeeper {- a bunch of ZK-specific options -} | File {- a bunch of filesystem options -} | None`. This results in a giant list of assertions that are a bit of
<copumpkin>
a PITA to generate manually, and the schema is fairly easy to describe in ADT terms (as you see above). I don't think creating an explicit "discriminated union" type would be all that complex, and could generate good docs, good assertions, and better more precise config.
<symphorien>
justlex: if this is too obscure for you, maybe try to start with nix manual
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<nixer>
Does anyone know if lib.evalModules can be called on a non-NixOS machine? I'm getting errors like "{ config = «error: The option `services' ... does not exist.»"
<copumpkin>
nixer: yeah it can be but using the NixOS modules outside of NixOS probably won't be very useful
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<LnL>
yes you can, but if you use a nixos module you have to include all of the option definitions that are used
<nixer>
copumpkin: I know the module can't be used outside of NixOS. Do you know how I can get it to evaluate that module, I just want to get the options back?
<clever>
GlennS: this creates a kernel+initrd pair, containing the entire nixos installer
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<clever>
so you just unpack the tar, run /kexec_nixos, ssh into it, and run justdoit
<clever>
and you now have a nixos install with zfs and custom partitions
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<gchristensen>
manveru: ping?
<manveru>
what's up
<gchristensen>
hrm. I think my problem was user incompetence. disregard :|
<manveru>
done :)
<JameySharp[m]>
what is the actual rule for a nixpkgs channel to update? it looks like hydra has evaluated all the 17.03 changes through cf614ba, but nixpkgs-channels branch nixos-17.03 is still from a couple days earlier. is this documented somewhere?
<gchristensen>
<3 that bundix supports private gem repos
<manveru>
could be better... but i use it with them every day
<GlennS>
clever: so the advantage is that you can fiddle with the config before you actually do the switchover?
<LnL>
oh it does? that's nice
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<clever>
GlennS: more that you can customize the partition tables, and do the entire install from real nixos, rather then mutating the root into nixos
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<joko>
Hello, is anyone running nix on Debian? It seems pt (platinum-searcher) is not working correctly, I get no output
<joko>
Running nix-build '<nixpkgs>' -A platinum-searcher --check shows "error: derivation ‘/nix/store/dq6k4f9fv6qa9vqv7lj1hsl4i5jlhrj2-the_platinum_searcher-2.1.5.drv’ may not be deterministic: output ‘/nix/store/l1qhjl2f6j0xikvq94cvkzris02yx3kc-the_platinum_searcher-2.1.5-bin’ differs"
<manveru>
silver, platinum... what comes next?
<GlennS>
I see, that does seem better
<joko>
manveru: lol, true... This is a Go-lang app
<joko>
maybe is there any issue with Golang apps?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQjVy
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 c7fb586 Ben Zhang: nodejs: 7.7.1 -> 7.7.2...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 f7de37e Jacek Smolak: nodejs-7_x: 7.7.2 -> 7.7.3...
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<joko>
disasm: yup
<disasm>
joko: I got a notification from hydra about one of the go apps I maintain not building because go didn't build: https://hydra.nixos.org/build/55217899
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<disasm>
joko: awesome
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<nand0p>
Jul 19 11:42:49 seer kernel: sddm-greeter[1503]: segfault at 7ffdd23d8f88 ip 00007f3fd28a3920 sp 00007ffdd23d8f90 error 6 in libc-2.25.so[7f3fd285c000+195000] anyone else seeing this error? looks like it started about 10 days ago..... breaks ability to log into xsession. booting to generation from Jun 29 fixes it looks like
<joko>
in other news, do you have any chance with gui apps and nix? I get errors like this: "libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so"
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bennofs pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQj6k
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] peti pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQjMx
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 3cc4682 Peter Simons: haskell-symengine: the build is broken because the system library this code binds to does not exist...
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<spectr_>
firefox started segfaulting, and reinstalling it doesn't work. how do i force a re-download? i tried nix-garbage-collect with and without -d, tried restarting, but it still caches the package
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<LnL>
you can't delete live paths, try nix-store --verify --check-contents
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<schoppenhauer>
manveru: huhu :3
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<simukis>
should it be necessary to add users who want to use audio into the audio group? (pulseaudio)
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<krav_>
i should at least be sufficient?
<simukis>
I certainly didn’t have to do that on arch, but seems like on nix pulseaudio won’t detect the soundcards without the group. Both were using the per-user PA setup
<srhb>
simukis: Yes.
<srhb>
simukis: Check the ownership on /dev/snd etc.
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<srhb>
It's also possible to have a system wide pulse setup, but I don't really see the benefit.
<simukis>
srhb: well, /dev/snd is also root:audio on arch. /me shrugs
<krav_>
when upgrading to nixos-unsable, should I change system.stateVersion to something else?
<srhb>
simukis: Probably something similar to hardware.pulseaudio.systemWide then :)
<srhb>
krav_: No, never.
<krav_>
never-ever?
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<srhb>
krav_: Afaik you'd be lying to NixOS if you did that, considering all sorts of stateful setupts like your postgres database and so on.
<simukis>
srhb: I’m sure arch is using per-user pulse-audio too.
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<srhb>
krav_: You'd have to manually migrate that, and I'm not sure how it's done safely.
<srhb>
krav_: (in general at least, I know how to do it for postgres specifically :-P)
<srhb>
simukis: I'm not sure how they do that exactly then. :)
* simukis
checks config.pa
<krav_>
srhb: ah, so not automatic then, I understand
<ottidmes>
When using nix-shell with buildPhase, how can I prevent the make flags from growing with an additional SHELL=/nix/store/... on every invocation?
<srhb>
krav_: The idea is that the stateversion will prevent breaking (read, possibly destructive) changes to stateful things happening automatically.
<srhb>
krav_: Good :)
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<krav_>
thanks :)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bachp opened pull request #27503: docker service: add option to do automatic pruning (master...docker-prune) https://git.io/vQjNW
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<ottidmes>
simukis: Here they talk about the audio group and what variations of its use there are in distributions
<ottidmes>
simukis: Arch Linux falls into group 2 of that page as mentioned on their wiki: "There is usually no need to add your user to the audio group, as PulseAudio uses udev and logind to give access dynamically to the currently "active" user. Exceptions would include running the machine headless so that there is no currently "active" user."
<simukis>
ottidmes: thanks for the reference
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<ottidmes>
simukis: NixOS seems to belong to group 1, at least I have audio as part as my user group and you were saying it failed without it
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<justlex>
are here any users who moved from Arch to NixOS completely as desktop\laptop main os, and satisfied? I'm wondering if my transition will make sense
<ottidmes>
justlex: I have done that
<srhb>
justlex: I switched from Arch to NixOS about a year ago.
<srhb>
(If it wasn't obvious, I stuck because I'm very satisfied) ;-)
<justlex>
so, it works stable, fine, and any questions are easily resolvable just like in Arch?
<srhb>
justlex: Not at all.
<srhb>
It was a wilderness to begin with.
<srhb>
It's a much smaller distribution and it's completely different from most others, so the resources are more scarce and the general ones usually won't help you.
<srhb>
This channel is great for help though, and more people are adopting. :)
<ottidmes>
justlex: There is a big learning curve, but the Nix language itself is simple enough and the rest is mostly bash. The upsides should be obvious considering you are thinking about switching. The biggest downside for me was that at least at the time, some packages I was used to using were not available yet, while on Arch Linux everything you can imagine seems already to be packaged
<srhb>
justlex: Regarding stability, it's been much more stable for me (and we have rollbacks in case we mess up)
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<ottidmes>
justlex and srhb: Yes, I concur, I have had plenty or breakage on Arch Linux (I was used to it), but on NixOS you might have trouble getting things working, but once they do, they keep working
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<justlex>
okay, thanks for clarification
<ottidmes>
Or at least, they are way less likely to break than I was used to, things obviously can still break, but if you keep on the stable branch this is very unlikely
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<justlex>
i'm wondering , if I will need to maintain custom repo clone of nix channel, in order to declare my packages (that are not present in current channel repo), configs
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<srhb>
justlex: You do not, but if you do you can easily contribute them upstream
<srhb>
justlex: It's basically just as easy as keeping them outside a clone.
<srhb>
justlex: One of the very cool things about nixpkgs is the low barrier to entry for contributing, I think. :)
<justlex>
the approach nix took is beneficial, but still complex, i'm thinking to use in parrallel - zfs snapshots for filesystem versioning and statically linked binaries (to avoid dll hell and make deployment easier)
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<srhb>
justlex: I'm not sure how either of those relate to Nix.
<justlex>
sorry, they not, just sharing opinion
<srhb>
justlex: Ah, ok :)
<ottidmes>
justlex: For me it was a bit two sided, on the one hand, if you just want to use some package quickly that is not commonly used, Arch Linux is great, and for those kind of things I still prefer Arch Linux. On the other hand, if you just want a stable system but still want to be on the bleeding edge for some packages, NixOS clearly wins. My current approach is to keep one Arch Linux installation available to
<ottidmes>
me, if some package is missing, just want to use it a few times and cannot be bothered to properly package it.
<srhb>
I deploy my things with Nix, too, so the whole static linking thing is irrelevant to me.
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<justlex>
do docker containers worik cool in NixOS?
<justlex>
*work
<srhb>
justlex: They work just fine, but they are kind of pointless in my opinion. I mean, aside from reusing existing ones.
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<srhb>
Mind, I'm jaded, I work with Docker outside of NixOS every day, so I'm biased (against it) :-P
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<justlex>
for me docker is quick replacement of VM and a quick way to get packages outside of my distro that are available on others
<florianjacob>
Anyone here running cjdns? my tun0 interface doesn't get an a cjdns IPv6 address for some reason…
<srhb>
justlex: :)
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<JameySharp[m]>
is there a way to use ccache for nix builds but only if there's no binary substitution available for the build without ccache? I mean, it'd be cool to transparently use ccache everywhere but I assume that changes the store hashes for everything. I'm packaging a gnuradio-based thing and recompiling piles of C++ every time I get it wrong is super tedious.
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<simukis>
do the loginLimits work for anybody here?
<simukis>
security.pam.loginLimits
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<simukis>
pam subsystem seems to use the configuration values (can observe errors in logs if I specify obviously wrong values), but those values do not seem to be reflected in the user session at all.
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<sphalerite[m]>
Does anyone know a way to get X's logging to happen synchronously? I'm fighting with a kernel hang (triggered by starting X) and would like to know how far X gets before it hangs
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<JameySharp[m]>
sphalerite: have you tried running the X server from an SSH connection from another machine, so that its stdout goes over the network?
<sphalerite[m]>
Jamey Sharp: I don't think stdio writes over SSH are synchronous...
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<JameySharp[m]>
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by synchronous, I guess, but stderr is unbuffered by default and sshd should forward bytes as soon as it receives them.
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<JameySharp[m]>
SSH is certainly the tool of choice among X.Org video driver developers I've talked with.
<simpson>
JameySharp[m]: I know the feeling WRT tedium of recompiling. In general we want to avoid even theoretically-transparent caching since it always seems to be impure in practice. ISTR that clever had something for this.
<simpson>
Also hi. I remember SSH GPU debugging. I'm so done with that.
<JameySharp[m]>
simpson: Yeah, I totally get that ccache shouldn't be turned on in default/Hydra builds... Just In Case(TM).
<JameySharp[m]>
Also: wait, Corbin? Fancy seeing you here!
<simpson>
FWIW my development directories are usually a mix, where I use Nix to bring in the build tools but then run an impure local make.
<simpson>
Yep, it's me~
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<sphalerite[m]>
so I mounted a USB stick with the sync option and got X to write its log there. That seems to have slowed X's startup down significantly which is a good sign for my goals I guess
<sphalerite[m]>
last message is `[ 422.774] (II) systemd-logind: got fd for /dev/dri/card0 226:0 fd 11 paused 0`
<sphalerite[m]>
That's... not super helpful
<sphalerite[m]>
I think?
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<Winchell1M>
Is it perfectly acceptable in NixOS to add a local folder (in your home directory) to your PATH?
<Winchell1M>
Or is that going to break a bunch of things and not be stable
<srhb>
Winchell1M: Depends what you do with it! (I have a number of shell scripts there, that's fine)
<sphalerite[m]>
of course it is. But most people prefer to use nix-shells or install stuff in their nix profile
<Winchell1M>
Yeah it's just a shell script I need access to
<sphalerite[m]>
it shouldn't break anything though.
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<Winchell1M>
Ok thanks
<clever>
Winchell1M: nixos already adds $HOME/bin/ to $PATH
<Winchell1M>
And Haskell's stack adds to your PATH, which I believe is popular with NixOS
<sphalerite[m]>
I think nixos people prefer nix as a package manager for haskell over stack when possible?#
<sphalerite[m]>
I don't know that much about the haskell infrastructure though so I may be wrong
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<srhb>
clever: Thank you :)
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<srhb>
Winchell1M, sphalerite[m]: For the life of me I can't get stack to work on NixOS, nor do I see the point over using Nix itself.
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<jtojnar>
I added a filesystem to hardware-configuration.nix and rebooted, it mounted correctly but when I ran nixos-generate-config, the entry was removed from the file? Why would that be?
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<clever>
jtojnar: add it to configuration.nix instead
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<jtojnar>
clever: I know I can put it there but I would prefer for it to be with the other generated filesystems
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<gchristensen>
is the filesystem present when you generate it?
<clever>
jtojnar: is it mounted when you run nixos-generate-config?
<sphalerite[m]>
also, how do I get a cross compiler for arm on 17.03?
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<jtojnar>
clever: yes, I can access it in file manager and it is listed in the output of `mount`
<jtojnar>
oh, what is the customary location for mounting file systems?
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<sphalerite[m]>
clever: I'll give that a shot, thanks. It seems to evaluate which is a good start :D
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<clever>
jtojnar: i keep mine under /media/
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<sphalerite[m]>
jtojnar: I don't think there is really one. /mnt is typically used for one-off mounts, /media for stuff that gets automounted by GNOME or similar
<sphalerite[m]>
For manual entries I'd just put them wherever
<sphalerite[m]>
in your case I'd probably just go with /oldroot
<sphalerite[m]>
But it's a matter of personal preference
<clever>
i try to keep /mnt clear because i use that for new installs
<jtojnar>
I think /media will work for me, thanks
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] jameysharp opened pull request #27505: gnss-sdr: init at 0.0.9 (and patch armadillo's buildInputs) (master...gnss-sdr) https://git.io/v7eYe
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b1189b7 Franz Pletz: Merge pull request #27399 from bendlas/update-chromium...
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<michaelpj>
in nixops, is it possible to deploy multiple logical machines to one physical machine? I think this would amount to merging their nix modules (which might fail to evaluate!), and then deploying to the single machine
<LnL>
the easiest way is probably with containers
<michaelpj>
would be kind of cool for specifying setups that are conceptually distinct but can in fact live on one server, e.g. a nginx proxy and the services it proxys to
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<xplat|work>
if nixops can do thin containers there would be practically no overhead to containerizing the two logical machines when deploying them on one box. i don't know if it does this though...
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<xplat|work>
(thin containers are basically containers that only contain the nix environment and mount (sometimes just parts of) the host's store, something you can really only do properly with nix)
<LnL>
yeah, that's what I was talking about not something like docker
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<LnL>
containers.<name>.config is a nixos config that will run inside of the nspawn container
<copumpkin>
xplat|work in #nixos :O
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joelthompson opened pull request #27508: exhibitor: init at 3.4.9 (master...exhibitor) https://git.io/v7eB5
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<xplat|work>
copumpkin: notice i am once again asking scary questions
<copumpkin>
:D
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<xplat|work>
copumpkin: i don't suppose YOU know how to make nice nix expressions for packages normally built with gradle, or god forbid sbt
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<copumpkin>
xplat|work: I don't have any magic, but I'm somewhat interested in seeing that happen
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<dalaing>
It feels like "god forbid sbt" is the full name of the project
<xplat|work>
i guess if there's no existing work, my best bet would probably be *shudder* following the template of cabal2nix but doing it as a gradle plugin
<xplat|work>
that *is* the full name of the project
<michaelpj>
xplat|work: interesting, but it's not obvious to me that I could easily set it up to have the machine that owns the containers be managed by nixops as well. It's not a "logical" part of the system, so it shouldn't really have an entry there
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] michaelpj opened pull request #27509: Factorio service: fix typo in attribute path (master...factorio-fix) https://git.io/v7egR
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<michaelpj>
hm, the nixos-unstable branch in the channels repository is ahead of the sha reported by howoldis - is that expected to be possible?
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<globin>
michaelpj: the channel update script failed after the git push
<michaelpj>
that makes sense for why the state would be weird
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<michaelpj>
although perhaps the git push should happen afterwards, since that's less likely to fail
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<xplat|work>
it should be like: upload the pack with the changes, update the channel, then update the git branch
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<fiveht>
Hi, I've been trying to compile some c code that uses standard library functions, so I tried a simple 'nix-shell -p gcc glibc'. What's werid is that the linker complains when I'm trying to include math.h/tgmath.h but not when I'm using, for example, strings.h or stdio.h. How can I specify the 'include path' for a nix-shell? Sorry in advance for my ignorance, I'm a complete beginner.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v7e7B
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 2b2a6f2 Graham Christensen: nixos/ldap: remove tls_checkpeer no when using TLS
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/v7e7o
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 b3fa629 Graham Christensen: nixos/ldap: remove tls_checkpeer no when using TLS...
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[nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #27514: Set virtualisation.libvirtd.qemuOvmf to false (master...patch-2) https://git.io/v7e50