<Profpatsch>
Yeah, you /can/ mount stuff into containers, but normally that doesn’t work very well with e.g. docker
<Profpatsch>
Additionally, you can’t run systemd inside of containers.
<Mic92>
you can
<Mic92>
I do that for years
<Profpatsch>
No, not inside of unpriviledged containers.
<Mic92>
I have unprivileged lxc containers running with systemd.
<Profpatsch>
That’s lxc
<Profpatsch>
Not docker
<Mic92>
Yes.
<Profpatsch>
Yeah, different.
<Mic92>
you can do the same thing with docker too.
<Profpatsch>
Nope. Not that I know of.
<Profpatsch>
Anyway, you’d still need to include systemd into the closure of each container.
<Profpatsch>
Which is a waste if you want to really separate stuff.
<Mic92>
This is not a problem for me, since it is running on the host as well
<Profpatsch>
It’s still going to take space.
<Profpatsch>
Or are you bindmounting in the whole store?
<Mic92>
no the space is already taken on the host, binaries are shared in memory
<Profpatsch>
wat
<Profpatsch>
I’m not sure what you are talking about, really.
<Mic92>
I want bind mount parts of the nix store.
<Profpatsch>
Yeah, but then it’s not a container.
<Profpatsch>
Because it can’t function outside of a nixos.
<Mic92>
why that?
<andi->
mic is talking about containers using nixos (e.g. sharing (partially) the /nix/store) Profpatsch is trying to create docker images (to run on any docker host)
<Profpatsch>
Right.
<Profpatsch>
I mean then you have a glorified separation layer.
<Profpatsch>
I’m not even sure why’d you want that and not just use nspawn services directly from nixos?
<Profpatsch>
The separation should be about the same.
<Mic92>
Is not that what containers are about? Docker is pretty waste a lot of disk space.
<Mic92>
I want to base it on nspawn, but I have some road blocks to make it unprivileged.
<Profpatsch>
There’s a lot of different technologies at work here, combined in every way you can think about.
<Profpatsch>
So if someone says “containers”, you can’t know what they are talking about before they describe their stack.
<Profpatsch>
Anyway, Community Overview seems a bit too general.
* andi-
is always a bit pissed about the assumption of most people that containers always equals docker...
<Profpatsch>
We’d like to use the Wiki as a link collection for people interested in building self-sufficient OCI images.
<Mic92>
you mean moby ;)
<Mic92>
Just make an article about OCI.
<Profpatsch>
Yeah, nah, it’s not going to be of article quality.
orivej has joined #nixos-wiki
<Profpatsch>
And definitely not about what already exists in nixpkgs, but for organizing what to build for nixpkgs.
<Profpatsch>
So not so much documentation.
<Profpatsch>
That’s why I’d call it working group, to organize stuff people are building and make it discoverable, also to comment.
<samueldr>
Profpatsch: depending on how it looks like, we may move it into an implementation notes namespace for nix/nixos developers; if I understand correctly that's what you want to do, right?
<Profpatsch>
A bit like a talk page on Wikipedia.
<samueldr>
(there is no such namespace right now, but in the past the idea was raised)
<Profpatsch>
Hm, not really.
<samueldr>
the archlinux wiki has a namespace for "archlinux developers"
<Profpatsch>
Just a space for a working group to organize.
srid_ii has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
orivej has joined #nixos-wiki
ixxie has joined #nixos-wiki
<Reaktor|krebs>
ixxie: right now I'm updating my packages page manually, ping me if it's too out of date for your use, I'll look into automatic deploys later -- samueldr!~samueldr@unaffiliated/samueldr, Sat Feb 3 15:46:19 CET 2018
<ixxie>
reaktor help
<ixxie>
Reaktor|krebs: help
<Reaktor|krebs>
I'm famous
<ixxie>
samueldr: are you in?
<ixxie>
Reaktor|krebs tell samueldr well I am trying to see if my latest PRs are in unstable
<Reaktor|krebs>
I'm famous
<ixxie>
fadenb: how do you use this bot again?
<samueldr>
ixxie: no need to "tell" Reaktor|krebs since I'm always here \o/
<Reaktor|krebs>
I'm famous
<samueldr>
but you had it
<fadenb>
Reaktor|krebs: tell ixxie use a colon after the bot name. perhaps?
<Reaktor|krebs>
Consider it noted.
<ixxie>
thanks fadenb xD
<ixxie>
samueldr: I had what?
<samueldr>
the use, but I might have been wrong in the end
<samueldr>
* how to use the bot
<ixxie>
colon was missing, thas all
<samueldr>
but yeah, as long as I'm in the channel, the bot will simply say it directly, so just ask me
<samueldr>
and for your query, yeah, that's what I understood, I can update it if you ask, it's really easy for me, it's simply not automated
<ixxie>
yeah its cool, clever just gave me a trick about doing tab completition in nix-repl
<ixxie>
also soon nix search will be in the house
<ixxie>
and then hopefully my little droplet can have a decent cli search for packages
<ixxie>
samueldr: that said, your search would be very useful if it was continuously updated, because there isn't a web search tracking unstable
<samueldr>
when I'm done with a PR I'm working on, I'm re-working that package search to open a PR on the nixos website
<samueldr>
this was a demo of something I wanted to upstream, but the way it's made right now wouldn't pass (maybe)
<samueldr>
at least, I'm not okay with how I did it