<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Installation Guide]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1406&oldid=1405&rcid=1409 * Samueldr * (+676) Adds stub booting section
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Installation Guide]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1407&oldid=1406&rcid=1410 * Samueldr * (-151) Tested windows method
<nixoswikibot> [[Talk:NixOS Installation Guide]] N https://nixos.wiki/index.php?oldid=1408&rcid=1411 * Samueldr * (+268) Adds link to my notes for the layout I'm trying to achieve
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1409&oldid=1376&rcid=1412 * Ixxie * (-98) Converted examples in modules section to the file template.
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<Reaktor|krebs> ixxie: nix buildfarm was renamed to hydra at some point in the past, so i guess NixFarm matches ;) ( https://nixos.org/hydra/manual/#idm140737315986368 ) -- makefu!~makefu@v22017114592354873.luckysrv.de, Sat Nov 25 22:34:09 CET 2017
<ixxie> heh
<nixoswikibot> [[Nix Ecosystem]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1410&oldid=1338&rcid=1413 * Ixxie * (+6)
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<nixoswikibot> [[Nix Community]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1411&oldid=737&rcid=1414 * Ixxie * (+734) Made framework for the article
<nixoswikibot> [[Nix Package Manager]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1412&oldid=1368&rcid=1415 * Ixxie * (+0) /* Sandboxing */
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<joepie91> in case anybody has an idea on how and where to roll these into the wiki: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/c26f01a787af87a96f967219234a8723
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<ixxie> fadenb: I would like to make some changes to the menu in the coming days
<fadenb> ixxie: was just about to write to you :p
<fadenb> I believe I initially set permissions with a time limit. will assign you the proper rights in a few minutes permanently
<fadenb> will probably allow it for the whole trustee group
<fadenb> ixxie: I just assigned the "editinterface" permission to the trustee group. That should allow you to edit thinks in the MediaWiki namespace (including the sidebar)
<makefu> good morning ixxie
<makefu> joepie91: this writeup looks good, it would probably fit into a (currently not existing) "hydra troubleshooting" guide
<makefu> or even installation guide
<joepie91> makefu: likely; it's probably not a complete set of notes either
<joepie91> just what I've run into so far
<joepie91> while setting up
<joepie91> I'll probably be adding stuff to it over time
<joepie91> (modifying a gist is much lower-overhead for me than doing battle with mediawiki syntax and oddities :P)
<makefu> it is something already! i really like a short "this is what you need" installation guide
<makefu> compared to a full writeup
<makefu> mediawiki syntax is a bit weird but nothing compared to the docbook syntax of the manual
<ixxie> thanks fadenb, thats awesome
<joepie91> makefu: oh yeah, docbook is even worse, but mediawiki syntax already fails the "can I do this quickly without getting distracted" test for me :P
<nixoswikibot> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ixxie * moved [[Bookmarks]] to [[Resource Overview]]: parallelism with the Ecosystem menu
<nixoswikibot> [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1415&oldid=630&rcid=1417 * Ixxie * (+7) Renamed Bookmarks page to Resource Overview
<ixxie> fadenb: it appears the sidebar is not the main menu
<fadenb> ixxie: no the theme uses different names than default mediawiki
<fadenb> give me a moment and i will look up the proper names
<ixxie> cheers!
<ixxie> makefu: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix_Community I made a framework here
<ixxie> makefu: I am thinking of making a survey of Nix ecosystem users in order to be able to quantify the people in the community
<ixxie> makefu: it could become a yearly thingy
<makefu> nice idea, but surely a lot of work :D
<ixxie> makefu: I think we can get help from globin, he has collected statistics from Github
<ixxie> makefu: but essentially, its A. select questions, B. make a surveymonkey / google forms survey, C. market on IRC / mailing list / reddit / twitter / etc
<makefu> and D. pump data into the article
<ixxie> yeah
<ixxie> I can do D since I am an analyst after all
<ixxie> would be cool to have it done by years end, so it could become yearly
<joepie91> is there any hydra documentation on the wiki yet, btw?
<joepie91> since this appears to be the state of the manual: https://nixos.org/hydra/manual/#idm140737315922256
<joepie91> :p
<ixxie> joepie91: Nope! We need help with that
<joepie91> right
<ixxie> joepie91: we've been advertising precisely this - that we need help with Hydra and NixOps
<fadenb> ixxie: documentation of the themes navigation elements is at https://tweeki.thai-land.at/wiki/Navigation
<joepie91> ixxie: I know a bit about NixOps, so I guess I'll keep an eye on this channel for questions
<joepie91> just a bit, though
<fadenb> left and right is a bit confusing in our case
<nixoswikibot> [[MediaWiki:Tweeki-navbar-left]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1416&oldid=1007&rcid=1418 * Ixxie * (+7) Renamed Bookmarks page to Resource Overview
<ixxie> BAM
<ixxie> awesome
<ixxie> joepie91: OR you write the first draft of the NixOps article ;)
<ixxie> thanks fadenb
<nixoswikibot> [[MediaWiki:Tweeki-navbar-left]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1417&oldid=1416&rcid=1419 * Ixxie * (+85) Linked issues/projects from github in the menu
<joepie91> ixxie: heh, I don't know anywhere near enough about it yet
<joepie91> oops
<joepie91> need to update the wiki link
<ixxie> joepie91: well trust me when I say I wrote a lot of the stuff in these articles that I didn't know before researching xD
<ixxie> its a nice learning experience
<joepie91> fixed :P
<joepie91> ixxie: sure, but I already have a considerable pile of stuff that I need to research for functional purposes :P
<ixxie> okay
<ixxie> saved it
<joepie91> can't really add more "interesting to know" stuff to that at this point :P
<joepie91> hence why I just make notes of stuff I work on
<nixoswikibot> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ixxie * deleted "[[NixOS Wiki:Projects]]": Replaced with Github projects page
<ixxie> alighty
<ixxie> time to go now
<ixxie> have a good one
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1418&oldid=1413&rcid=1421 * Fadenb * (+115) link to nix-devel and strike nix-dev
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<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1419&oldid=1418&rcid=1422 * Fadenb * (+1) link to https version of howoldis
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1420&oldid=1419&rcid=1423 * Fadenb * (-147) remove dead link
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1421&oldid=1420&rcid=1424 * Fadenb * (+1) /* Cookbooks */ link to https version of nix-cookbook
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<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1422&oldid=1421&rcid=1425 * Samueldr * (+58) /* Wiki */ uses table headers + links for categories omit Category: in text.
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<ixxie> did you folks see the modifications to the resources and wiki menus?
<samueldr> did you folk see my modification to your resource modification?
<samueldr> (yes, I looked at the channel backlog)
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1423&oldid=1422&rcid=1426 * Ixxie * (+280)
<ixxie> samueldr: yes! excellent
<samueldr> yesterday I started the new installation guide, by first moving out everything that wasn't strictly the usual steps
<ixxie> I saw that samueldr - good work :)
<samueldr> you don't have a macOS machine nearby, would you?
<ixxie> samueldr: my girlfriend's machine, not sure she would want me fiddling
<samueldr> the only thing needed, but not urgent, is to verify the steps for the usb media creation
<ixxie> samueldr: you could talk to copumpkin about this; he may also be willing to help out with the Darwin documentation
<ixxie> samueldr: I think LnL and (?) gchristiansen also
<samueldr> though, we might just as well copy verbatim the steps from the official manual
<ixxie> samueldr: verbatim isn't allowed
<ixxie> samueldr: unless you quote
<samueldr> not verbatim, but using the same command, sorry
<ixxie> aha right
<ixxie> thats cool ofc
<samueldr> I did verify the windows steps
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Installation Guide]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1424&oldid=1407&rcid=1427 * Samueldr * (-285) /* From macOS */ use the same instructions as the manual recommends, keep the note about rdisk.
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Installation Guide]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1425&oldid=1424&rcid=1428 * Samueldr * (+1) Adds newlines as mediawiki markup is scaring me
<samueldr> wow
<samueldr> that's actually quite bad!
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1426&oldid=1423&rcid=1429 * Ixxie * (+369) Fixed opening paragraph.
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Installation Guide]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1427&oldid=1425&rcid=1430 * Samueldr * (+0) well, can't bring the tip at the list level, as the whole page shifts.
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1428&oldid=1426&rcid=1431 * Ixxie * (-1)
<ixxie> samueldr: what is bad?
<samueldr> mediawiki does spooky stuff with the markup
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1429&oldid=1428&rcid=1432 * Ixxie * (+197)
<nixoswikibot> [[Resource Overview]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1430&oldid=1429&rcid=1433 * Ixxie * (+114) /* Talks */
<ixxie> samueldr: is it because its missing the opening tags of the template?
<ixxie> samueldr: what do you think of the new menu links to github?
<ixxie> makefu: are you in?
<ixxie> btw samueldr - where did you put all the alternative installation methods? I was hoping our installation guide would distinguish itself by a diversity of install methods
<ixxie> if they are pealed off into seperate articles, I at least wanna see them linked in the main installation guide
<samueldr> the menu links are good, more likely to make random users aware that some of the work is done in github
<samueldr> the installation "guide" was, for the most part, a guide on how to make a usb installation media
<samueldr> all the alternative methods linked, iirc, were for cloud providers
<samueldr> they have all been migrated to the hosters page
<samueldr> especially good since they were duplicated there anyway, and some had more up-to-date information
<samueldr> for generic non-cloud installation guides, we probably should link them back also in the installation guide, somehwere
<ixxie> okay cool
<ixxie> samueldr: I reached out to globin about surveys of Nix/* users
<ixxie> and for help with NixOS release documentation and Nixpkgs documentation
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS friendly hosters]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1431&oldid=1392&rcid=1434 * Samueldr * (+1110) Adds instructions as in-lined comment to hopefully keep this page clean.
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<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS friendly hosters]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1432&oldid=1431&rcid=1435 * Samueldr * (+83) Re-orders names alphabetically
<ixxie> gnight samueldr
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<ixxie> okay I'm in the doghouse it appears
<ixxie> makefu: ping
<ixxie> samueldr: I was thinking perhaps the installation guide for NixOS could simply be a section of the NixOS guide
<ixxie> samueldr: that way we got a start on one of the skeleton articles
<ixxie> samueldr: it could include Installation, Configuration, Upgrade, Troubleshooting and Maintanance sections, for example
<samueldr> hmm, I was thinking that those all should be split on pages, especially the configuration one
<samueldr> well, I was thinking about a "first time configuration"
<samueldr> I found it hard to find common configurations
<samueldr> in a format like "I want to [...]" and an explanation of what it does
<samueldr> "I want to use kde", or "I want to use gnome with wayland", "I want to use awesome without a DE"
<samueldr> and the installation guide needs to provide a bunch of informations about bootloaders
<samueldr> from idling in #nixos, I have the feeling that there should be some explanation on how the ESP, /boot, grub, systemd-boot cooperates
<samueldr> and that's only for EFI
<samueldr> notes about legacy boot should be included too
<samueldr> and then, tricks, like using refind on problematic boards
<samueldr> I have two different computers from different brands that sometimes lose their bios settings, for different reasons
<ixxie> hmm
<samueldr> including the efi configuration
<ixxie> config examples would go nicely in the NixOS cookbook
<samueldr> possibly
<samueldr> in short: the installation guide, from where I've stopped, will grow way bigger
<ixxie> alright
<samueldr> simply because it needs to either provide steps or links to steps for common configurations
<samueldr> like zfs boot
<ixxie> well the general guide can contain paragraph-summaries of the other guides
<samueldr> swap: what, why and how
<ixxie> and thus serve as a map
<samueldr> all depending on the size, yes
<ixxie> so the general guide is the ToC for all guides
<ixxie> samueldr: would you like to 'adopt' the NixOS guide collection?
<samueldr> I don't know, we'll see if I'm able to string sentences together in a coherent manner
<ixxie> and thus also the NixOS guide? I am thinking of starting an 'Adopt an Article' program for the wiki
<ixxie> samueldr: makefu and I will help you with reviews and style corrections
<ixxie> samueldr: but we need someone to take ownership of the content of particular articles as well I think
<samueldr> I still feel like a struggle with the writing, but I think part of it was from adapting the existing sections, instead of writing something new
<ixxie> samueldr: follow your own voice
<ixxie> samueldr: make sure most of all to structure the whole article the way its clear to you and then fill out content following that idea
<samueldr> yes, that's the path I'll follow
<ixxie> awesome
<ixxie> gnight now
<samueldr> 'night
<ixxie> gtg before shes angry again xD
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<samueldr> thankfully, I'm well versed in linux things, like installation and the whole "classic linux" system
<samueldr> it definitely will help for the installation instructions, as partitionning and such isn't yet too alien in nixos
<makefu> so much backlog, i will read it tomorrow :)