eyJhb changed the topic of #nixos-on-your-router to: NixOS on your Router || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-on-your-router
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<eyJhb> betawaffle: hexa-: not sure where one can buy such things
<betawaffle> eyJhb: https://www.pcengines.ch/
<eyJhb> :o The Chinese betawaffle
<betawaffle> they are swiss
<eyJhb> .ch ? - ANy of you that have such a board?
<betawaffle> i do
<betawaffle> i've got two
<betawaffle> ch = switzerland
<eyJhb> Ohh right, cn is china
<eyJhb> Sorry
<eyJhb> This is without a case, right?
<betawaffle> you can buy a case from them too
<betawaffle> you can even have them assemble it all for a tiny fee
<eyJhb> How much power does it use? Or more ,do you monitor the power?
<betawaffle> it uses like < 10W peak, iirc
<eyJhb> Cool. I considered getting a single unit, that I could use for a NAS as well
<eyJhb> Well, with USB 3.0, then I could just use that as well.
<betawaffle> you'd have to connect external storage. the internal stuff isn't necessarily very zippy or large
<eyJhb> Yeah, so external using USB 3.0 should work I guess
<eyJhb> The only "issue" is then how e.g. Plex would run on itt
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<betawaffle> it also has some mini-pcie things on the board, but the standard case doesn't have any holes for anything unusual to pass through, so it'd have to fit, or you'd need to keep the top off if you wanted to use those for anything special
<betawaffle> also note, the cpu isn't super powerful. it's totally capable of handling gigabit internet traffic, but like nix isn't super fast
<betawaffle> i mean... it's powerful for it's power draw, and being x86
<eyJhb> But my powerbill is somewhat large each month, which is why I am thinking af changing, even though it doesn't use that much power
<betawaffle> i think it's better than atom, but i may be wrong. also, the C2000 series there has a fatal flaw
<betawaffle> i've lost two NASs to it
<eyJhb> Firmware update fixed it thankfully
<betawaffle> i really doubt that router uses enough power to matter
<eyJhb> But I am guessing that my actual power draw is from the HDDs in the server
<betawaffle> definitely
<betawaffle> spiny?
<eyJhb> Yeah, spinning drives, if that is what you meant. I think I have 1-2 WD REDs, and then a couple of greens
<eyJhb> It is a assortment of random shit :p
<eyJhb> I think most of them have smart errors :#
<betawaffle> where can i find the magic sauce for using nixpkgs/nixos to build a custom non-nixos system image?
<eyJhb> What are you thinking of?
<betawaffle> i know people have used nix to build small embedded OSes
<betawaffle> i just can't remember where i saw that
<betawaffle> yep, thanks
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<andi-> sphalerite: yes, nft is much better or just use ferm and ignore the fact that nixos has that weird firewall module
<sphalerite> ferm? Not heard of that before
<sphalerite> hm, ferm vs nftables?
<andi-> ferm is a wrapper for iptables
<andi-> makes writing those rules much more fluent and also supports proper syntax checking
<andi-> nftables is somewhat similar, less features, and only validates the config if you are root (as it is done in the kernel) BUT is the much newer (and faster?) framework that implements filtering in the kernel. By now iptables is a frontend for nftables.
<sphalerite> nftables backend for ferm when?
<andi-> technically it is that already
<andi-> ferm -> iptables -> nftables
<andi-> the last is happening in the kernel
<sphalerite> fair enough
<sphalerite> which would you recommend, for someone who hasn't used either before but is sufficiently familiar with iptables?
<hexa-> andi-: there is the wrapper, but is nixos actually using it?
<andi-> I thought the kernel internally was doing that already
<hexa-> sphalerite: ferm is the better experience and I don't think iptables will go away in the near future
<andi-> the user space APIs still exist
<hexa-> debian ships `iptables-nft` for that
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<sphalerite> hexa-: alright, thanks!