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<puck> y'all, nixcon is happening rn! https://2020.nixcon.org/live.html and #nixcon :p
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<Profpatsch> It feels to me like blaggacao desperately wants to help, but mostly just ties up contributors in very extensive discussions that are not super useful https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/77
<{^_^}> rfcs#77 (by blaggacao, 2 days ago, open): [RFC 0077] Stale Issues Amendement
<Profpatsch> Like holy hell, this is a discussion about making stale bot hit after 90 instead of 180 days, and it’s been going on for a million pages
<Profpatsch> who is producing all that text, why, and what could they be doing instead
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<niksnut> Profpatsch: so you're not volunteering to be a shepherd? :p
<Profpatsch> No :)
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<Profpatsch> Okay, I want to say I think it’s fantastic that this NixCon is done with a free software stack
<Profpatsch> Super cool!
<Profpatsch> worldofpeace++
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<niksnut> yeah very cool
<Raito_Bezarius> worldofpeace++
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<Raito_Bezarius> and also is using somewhat Nix :p
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<ryantm> Agreeing strongly with Profpatsch about blaggacao.
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<abathur> I've had this thought as well
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<zimbatm> same here, but I have seen code contributions as well so it's not just talk
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<abathur> <3 zimbatm
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<srhb> We've had great luck with mavenix in our (admittedly) small projects.
<srhb> Oops, wrong channel
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<ajs124> if a package (multiple versions in nixpkgs) reached EOL a year ago, but wasn't dropped, is it ok to backport the commit that dropped it to a release?
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<gchristensen> imo no but maybe mark it as insecure
<jonringer_> generally no, if there's known CVEs, just mark it as insecure
<jonringer_> oh
<jonringer_> gchristensen++
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<gchristensen> jonringer_++ :)
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<ajs124> so #100159 should only be merged without dropping asterisk_15, then…
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/100159 (by dasJ, 6 days ago, open): [20.09] asterisk: Bump all packages
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<das_j> heck
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<maralorn> Are there any plans to change the way the manuals are structured and rendered, soon? Because peti is really annoyed, that the Haskell section has no table of contents anymore (and that links to it got broken in june).
<maralorn> So what he is proposing now is moving all of the Haskell documentation out of the nixpkgs manual and put it on read the docs.
<cole-h> Changing the structure/rendering of the manuals is reliant on https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/72, I'd assume.
<maralorn> I don‘t think that's the way to go.
<{^_^}> rfcs#72 (by mboes, 13 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0072] Switch to CommonMark for documentation
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<maralorn> But I could use some arguments to convince him to not do that.
<arianvp> I think we broke Github again
<arianvp> I can't search through closed issues on nixpkgs anymore
<arianvp> has not been working for the entire day
<cole-h> What's your search term?
<cole-h> I've found that certain terms give me reliable unicorns
<arianvp> and it only has 3 matches; that's the weird part
<arianvp> like; why does this crash github
<cole-h> (:
<cole-h> Yeah, this is one of "those searches"
<cole-h> You could send GitHub a ticket and see if they can look into it.
<{^_^}> #85956 (by nh2, 24 weeks ago, open): Nixpkgs manual TOC lacks language-specific subsections
<maralorn> cole-h: Yes. His comment was the last one. That's mainly the reason why he wants to move away. "people broke our manual and they don‘t care."
<arianvp> opened a ticket
<arianvp> lets see
<cole-h> maralorn: Does he have examples of broken links?
<cole-h> And is updating them not a possibility?
<cole-h> Ah, I see. You can't link to sub-sub-headers (e.g. "15.9.2.3. How to install a compiler with libraries, hoogle and documentation indexes")
<cole-h> maralorn: If he can't be persuaded away from using read the docs, at least ensure he doesn't remove the docs from Nixpkgs entirely (and maybe only adds a link to the new docs) to keep git history intact.
<maralorn> cole-h: Yeah, that's a good idea.
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<maralorn> cole-h: Well, we talked about that. I have revised my opinion.
<maralorn> I think having two documentations in different states would be more harmful.
<maralorn> People would probably find out-dated information in the nixpkgs manual without seeing the warning at the beginn of the large section.
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<andi-> arianvp: thats a know issue. I've reported it multiple times to them... They are aware but not on the roadmpa...
<samueldr> to me it smells like those unicorns (from taking too much time) are a bad optimization so that queries "always return in less than X seconds"
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<samueldr> see, our graph is all green, all answered under 15 seconds! (not pointed out: time outs in 15s)
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<abathur> I think you're saying general AI won't be invented by AI researchers, but will be an emergent property of someone dogfooding their own APM?
<arianvp> andi-: what exactly is not on the roadmap?
<arianvp> search not working?
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<gchristensen> samueldr: on the other hand, aggressively killing things at 15s is a useful way to limit damage
<gchristensen> s/is/may be/
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<samueldr> it's all a balance act, but timeouts these days are veering into the unhelpful too short way too often
<gchristensen> yeah.
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