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<ckauhaus> going through stale tickets (security and others) and closing some of them. If someone disagrees, feel free to reopen them
<lewo> Related to https://www.tweag.io/blog/2020-06-18-software-heritage/, Software Heritage will add a NixOS logo on their homepage. Do you have any policy on this?
<domenkozar[m]> lewo: nope
<domenkozar[m]> there's no trademark afaik
<ashkitten> it's CC iirc
<sphalerite> srk: sorry, I realise that was a bit of an asshole move on my part (re mailman). I meant to comment, but got distracted. Will catch up on that.
<sphalerite> ashkitten: that's not trademark though, that's copyright
<ashkitten> oh, right
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<lewo> domenkozar[m]: ok
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<lewo> A policy could also be to announce it or mention it somewhere
<lewo> That's actually what I'm currently doing ;)
<srk> sphalerite: thanks, no problem! :)
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<makefu> i just checked the swh output and it seems that it actually does contain a couple of 'pain-point' sources such as java and virtualbox and i'd love to see the swh being integrated as fallback for nixpkgs
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<domenkozar[m]> does anyone know what's going on with /r/nixos?
<domenkozar[m]> seems like moderators enabled preapproval of posts but they are not approving anything in last 40 days
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<domenkozar[m]> I've emailed moderators, let's see
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<adisbladi> domenkozar[m]: I've attempted mailing the mods multiple times but no response :/
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<domenkozar[m]> :/
<Mic92> domenkozar[m]: maybe contact reddit support?
<Mic92> I mean we are the community.
<Mic92> Not sure what their policies are.
<domenkozar[m]> I've just contacted support
<domenkozar[m]> via https://www.reddithelp.com/
<Ericson2314> niksnut: Would it perhaps help to interactively review https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3439 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3650 and https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3649 ? Those are the ones that tighten down data structures (strings -> types, no htUnknown) rather than change any behavior. Those are the PRs from us I'm most keen on getting reviewed/merged, as it makes everything else easier to read/write
<{^_^}> nix#3439 (by Ericson2314, 12 weeks ago, open): Store parsed hashes in `DerivationOutput`
<{^_^}> nix#3650 (by Ericson2314, 2 weeks ago, open): Remove `HashType::Unknown`
<{^_^}> nix#3649 (by meditans, 2 weeks ago, open): ValidPathInfo: make ca field a proper datatype
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<Profpatsch> If I have multiple substituters in nix.conf, which one is preferred?
<Profpatsch> Or are both raced?
<gchristensen> by the nix-cache-info priority, and then left to right
<Profpatsch> Because we have a CI s3 cache which should have everything, but cache.nixos.org is usually preferred for some reason
<Profpatsch> Even though the s3 cache should have everything
<Profpatsch> or most things
<gchristensen> why would you prefer the s3 cache, when c.n.o should be faster for those?
<Profpatsch> c.n.o?
<gchristensen> cache.nixos.org
<Profpatsch> because I don’t want to put undue stress on our cache
<gchristensen> ah
<Profpatsch> That’s why we have a private cache after all
<gchristensen> cool
<Profpatsch> Idk if it matters, do we pay the CDN by throughput? :)
<gchristensen> we don't pay for the CDN at all :)
<Profpatsch> well, then I guess it really doesn’t matter
<Profpatsch> let them race
<Profpatsch> But in principle the cache itself gives you a priority, which I remembered now that you mentioned it
<Profpatsch> It’s weird, feels like something that could be exploited by semi-trusted caches
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<gchristensen> caches can't really be semi-trusted :(
<Profpatsch> yeah, if we ever have something like that we are going to have to rething substituter priorities anywäy
<Profpatsch> *way
<Profpatsch> (German slipping over the a to ä)
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<Ericson2314> anyWAAHH
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<domenkozar[m]> you can just fetch caches in parallel
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<domenkozar[m]> (and still then figure out priotities)
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<regnat> Profpatsch: In nix master you can also set the priority client-side by passing priority=whatever as a parameter of the cache url. But I don't think it's in a release atm
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<Profpatsch> regnat: also probably undocumented right? :)
<gchristensen> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/76542 I think we might want to change this strict validation to be a deprecation warning first
<{^_^}> #76542 (by primeos, 25 weeks ago, merged): nixos/networking: Add the FQDN and hostname to /etc/hosts
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<niksnut> Ericson2314: sure, do you want to do a call?
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<Ericson2314> niksnut: that would be wonderful!
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<mdlayher> hey folks, i just noticed there are two PRs open to bump to the newest version of Plex: older https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/90336 and newer https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/90656
<{^_^}> #90336 (by bachp, 5 days ago, open): plex: 1.19.2.2737 -> 1.19.4.2935
<{^_^}> #90656 (by rileyinman, 2 days ago, open): plex: 1.19.3.2852-219a9974e -> 1.19.4.2935-79e214ead
<mdlayher> what's the general procedure for this sort of thing?
<mdlayher> close the newer one as a duplicate?
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<gchristensen> does one apply? it seems like one of them probably doesn't apply
<Valodim> is there a handy tool for comparing changes between (a set of) derivations between two branches?
<Valodim> my concrete use case is, I have a branch that changes a bunch of derivation expressions, but the resulting derivations (i.e. their resulting data) should stay very similar
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<mdlayher> gchristensen: the diffs are identical so i'm unsure what you are saying about one of them not applying.
<b42> Valodim: sounds like nix-diff https://github.com/Gabriel439/nix-diff
<gchristensen> ah well their titles show different "from" versions
<mdlayher> oh i see, i think one of them omitted the hash portion
<Valodim> b42: thanks, I'll check it out!
<gchristensen> sea
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<mdlayher> thanks gchristensen !
<gchristensen> thank you!
<mdlayher> i went through about 10 pages of PRs this morning and gave reviews for packages I use or felt confident reviewing. the backlog is so immense though. i take it that the onus is on the PR author to pursue reviews?
<mdlayher> even some PRs with multiple reviewers tagged can end up stale it seems
<qyliss> A review doesn't necessarily mean there's a committer who's comfortable applying the change
<qyliss> Reviews are generally extremely helpful in that decision, though
<mdlayher> sure, to clarify most of what i went through is just version/checksum bumps
<mdlayher> which i assume are basically zero risk assuming a reliable upstream project
<mdlayher> unless i'm missing something
<qyliss> Yeah
<qyliss> Those are just waiting for a committer to go through and merge en mass
<qyliss> But there are various ways you can get committer attention, because the problem is of course that there are just too many
<mdlayher> i'm still pretty new to the NixOS community but am trying to help out where I can since it's made my home infrastructure so much nicer :)
<mdlayher> for sure.
<qyliss> If there's something you'd especially like to be merged, it's okay to post the occasional link on IRC and ask if anybody can merge it
<qyliss> (But don't do that for every PR that looks ready)
<mdlayher> gotcha!
<b42> mdlayher: you can also link the reviewed PRs here https://discourse.nixos.org/t/prs-already-reviewed/2617
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<mdlayher> TIL thanks! i haven't looked into discourse much
<qyliss> the hard part of merging small changes, as a committer, is seperating the ones that are ready from the ones that aren't, and making that judgement call
<qyliss> And there are various tradeoffs that have to be made like do I write up a few paragraphs of why I'm not going to merge this right now, or do I use that time to merge five more PRs
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<qyliss> mdlayher: what's your GH username? If you're a reliable reviewer that makes it a lot easier for me to find PRs I can bulk merge.
<mdlayher> qyliss: mdlayher on GitHub as well!
<qyliss> Cool, well, I'll have a look through your reviews :)
<qyliss> (A lot of PR review is just luck and chance encounters like this, unfortunately. But there's just so much volume.)
<mdlayher> sounds great, thanks! i'm a contributor to both Go and Prometheus and am generally very comfortable reviewing those things, but I'll try to help out elsewhere as well.
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<qyliss> Well, there's a couple of merges :)
<mdlayher> thank you!
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<timokau[m]> mdlayher: I'm currently attempting to improve the situation a bit with https://discourse.nixos.org/t/rfc-marvin-mk2-the-pull-request-bot/7547/3. Automation can't fully solve the problem of course, but I think it has great potential to alleviate it
<timokau[m]> Especially with https://discourse.nixos.org/t/rfc-marvin-mk2-the-pull-request-bot/7547/3, which should scale much better than the discourse threads.
<{^_^}> timokau/marvin-mk2#2 (by timokau, 1 week ago, open): Reviewer pool
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<mdlayher> timokau: excellent!
<timokau[m]> mdlayher: If you want to help by testing it, try reviewing one of these https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/labels/needs_review
<mdlayher> sure, i'll take a look
<mdlayher> timokau: it would appear the bot doesn't pick up /status with a review summary comment: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/84135
<{^_^}> #84135 (by symphorien, 11 weeks ago, open): nixos/btrfs autoScrub: don't fail when scrub finishes successfully
<mdlayher> i'll start using it on my PRs too
<timokau[m]> mdlayher: Yes, I know. That is already fixed (+general UX improvements) but not yet deployed. See https://github.com/nix-community/infra/pull/30
<{^_^}> nix-community/infra#30 (by timokau, 1 day ago, open): marvin: update
<mdlayher> excellent.
<timokau[m]> mdlayher: Sounds good! Keep giving feedback if anything comes to mind :)
<mdlayher> will do thanks
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