gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<sphalerite> srhb: my power consumption measuring thingy arrived today. Now it's my turn to start obsessively measuring all the things...
<etu> sphalerite: haha :-)
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<srhb> sphalerite: Neat! >D
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<lejonet> sphalerite: que hacking the firmware to always measure stuff as "Ok, no need to worry" instead? :P
<sphalerite> lejonet: that sounds difficult
<lejonet> sphalerite: probably :)
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<sphalerit> So I wanted noto-fonts-emoji on my aarch64 Chromebook. I did nix-env -iA nixos.noto-fonts-emoji and it started building it.
<sphalerit> So I added --argstr system x86_64-linux and it downloaded it from the binary cache. Am I a bad person?
<manveru> downright evil
<simpson> Fonts sound like a good case for fixed-output derivations. Wonder why it's arch-dependent.
<manveru> they depend on stdenv?
<manveru> so... even though the output has no references to anything architecture specific, the derivation does?
<sphalerit> Because it's built from source
<sphalerit> But yeah if it's reproducible we should probably make it fixed-output.
<gchristensen> some of them are already I think
<sphalerit> noto-fonts-emoji isn't ;)
<srhb> sphalerit: "morally fixed-output"
<srhb> fixed-output modulo ethics?
<srhb> I think I prefer the latter :P
<cransom> for those who made the leap to dvorak, how long did you feel lost in the world? because this is kind of migraine inducing to me and its day 3ish.
<gchristensen> about 1 week before I was regaining some semblance of self
<gchristensen> 2 weeks before I felt right
<cransom> this is a long row to hoe.
<gchristensen> I hate to say it but I'm not sure it actually made a big difference for me
<cransom> i kind of want to see it through, but i keep realizing all of the things that are tuned for qwerty and it seems like a forever uphill battle.
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> with practice, you can type both pretty easily.
<gchristensen> my kinesis keyboards are always dvorak, but the ol' gateway keyboard down in my basement attached to a server is qwerty -- macbook prokeyboards are always qwerty, dell xps keyboards are always dvorak, maltrons are always maltron... these are all encoded in my brain.
<__monty__> I didn't gain any speed from switching, have gained speed since but still slow. It has been way more comfortable though.
<sphalerite> srhb: hmmm a lot of the measuring time is spend waiting for charger consumption to settle when the device is very close to full >.<
<sphalerite> s/spend/spent/
<srhb> sphalerite: Needs an integrator :P
<sphalerite> integrator?
<srhb> Erm, a running sum
<sphalerit> Hm yeah I suppose I could use that function
<sphalerite> but that takes even longer to get interesting results! :p
<srhb> True :P
<srhb> sphalerite: It's a strange, addictive thing...
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<jasongrossman> cransom: I enjoyed the process of changing over. If you don't, don't do it. I agree with gchristensen that it doesn't make a big difference.
<elvishjerricco> Huh. It seems there's no equivalent of avahi-autoipd for macOS. Guess I'll go back to manual IPs.
<elvishjerricco> (For my tinc network)
<__monty__> What's autoipd? Won't bonjoir suffice?
<__monty__> *bonjour
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: avahi-autoipd implements IPv4LL if I understand correctly. Let's devices negotiate for IP addresses on a network without a central server
<elvishjerricco> Can't find a way to get that working on macOS.
<__monty__> Weird, should work ootb.
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: What makes you say that?
<__monty__> Macs have had IPv4LL for as long as I've used them.
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: As in they'll get IP addresses without dhcp?
* elvishjerricco doesn't actually know much about networking or what the LL means
<__monty__> Yeah.
<__monty__> I don't know much either. But link-local's for situations like connecting two computers directly, right?
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: That sounds about right
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: So if you connect two Macs with just an Ethernet cable, they'll each be given an IP on that interface?
<__monty__> elvishjerricco: Haven't tried with two macs. But have done this between this mac and an arch box.
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: Hm. Maybe it's tinc's fault then. Or the tuntap kext...
<jasongrossman> I've done it with two Macs, although not recently.
<elvishjerricco> Ok. So yea it's probably one of these other parts.
<__monty__> Does tinc do nat traversal and stuff?
<__monty__> Welp, out of time. Good luck with your networking issues and good night, peeps.
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<elvishjerricco> As far as I can tell, bonjour is supposed to work on any level 2 network interface. Tinc in switch mode on a tap interface should be just that.
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