<ottidmes>
joepie91: I looked into that, but from reviews I understood that they are not so effective againts loners, but for 10 euro, worth a shot
<joepie91>
ottidmes: they're useless against mosquitos, but they work great against most other insects
<joepie91>
mosquitos don't seem to really care about (UV) light
<gchristensen>
soggy bottom on my pie :(
<ottidmes>
infinisil: I only get them when I keep my bananas or other greens too long, I no longer use a indoor greens bin for this reason, then I have almost no fruit flies, if any
<ldlework>
gchristensen: pie of constant sorrow
<samueldr>
gchristensen: :( [and weird if read in the previous context]
<gchristensen>
heh
<gchristensen>
I've never gotten the bottom to cook right. more experimentation required.
<samueldr>
could it be the dish it's baking in?
<ottidmes>
joepie91: I know, most mosquitos are looking for your breath (the CO2 concentration) and your bodily smell, there are expensive traps that use chemicals and work quite well it seems, but they are meant to catch mosquitos in the macro, not on the scale of < 10 mosquitos
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<joepie91>
ottidmes: btw, do keep in mind that those lamps have the same problem as the handheld insect zappers
<joepie91>
namely, they burn insects
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<joepie91>
with the resulting burnt-insect smell
<ldlework>
the best mosquito trap I ever saw was a big metal... cauldron? but with a top, and a hole cut in the side, and inside was a simple butate burner which would capture all the emission from the burner in the top of the cauldron/oven thing
<ottidmes>
joepie91: thats just the smell of victory :P
<joepie91>
lol
<joepie91>
it truly is a war for you, isn't it
<ldlework>
uncle took the top off and there were millions upon millions of mosquitos
<ottidmes>
joepie91: it is!
<joepie91>
ldlework: huh, nice
<ldlework>
they just go in and get overheated to death, dunno what attracts them
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<ottidmes>
ldlework: I saw some nice videos on similar contraptions, like barrels full of them
<ldlework>
yeah like you could stick your hand into the mosquitos there were so many
<ldlework>
not that you would, ew
<gchristensen>
samueldr: could it be? I dunno! :)
<ottidmes>
gchristensen: too many liquid in the ingredients, not enough ventilation? (not that I ever baked a pie...)
<gchristensen>
_finally_ no! for the first time, there is not too much moisture
<gchristensen>
it has taken several tries to fix that problem :) (I've baked many apple pies this autumn)
<ottidmes>
gchristensen: temperature?
<gchristensen>
could be :) I have no idea, haha
<ottidmes>
joepie91: I have even wondered why there are no easy ways to, like rent a device that lets you see small air flows, so you can pinpoint the locations where mosquitos might be coming from, and stop them from advancing their troops :P
<gchristensen>
I need a local pie mentor
<Arahael>
gchristensen: Maybe try raising the bottom heat up considerably in the last 5 to 10 minutes, and then perhaps popping them out onto a wire rack to dry a little.
<Arahael>
Note: Not a pie cooker, myself.
<gchristensen>
I don't think I could take it out of the pie plate, it would crumble
<ottidmes>
gchristensen: my mom is very good at baking them, apple pies, we have a few apple trees, so we get plenty apple pies, apple sauce (appelmoes), and whatnot, but she is not exactly local :P
<gchristensen>
raising teh temperature seems interesting
<joepie91>
ottidmes: probably because it's much more profitable to sell a service of people *using* such a device?
<joepie91>
:)
<joepie91>
rental market in NL is generally junk
<ottidmes>
joepie91: I cannot remember the last time I rented something, but that is probably because of what you say :P
<joepie91>
my point exactly :D
<joepie91>
ottidmes: I've spoken a bit about rental stuff to some of the people involved in organizing SHA2017
<joepie91>
stories weren't pretty
<joepie91>
for a lot of things, you were better off just buying the cheapest available option in bulk then throwing it away after the event
<joepie91>
even taking into account failure rates
<joepie91>
it would still be cheaper than either a) renting 'real' equipment from a third party, or b) buying good equipment and storing it inbetween events
<joepie91>
(and that is why the orga for SHA2017 ordered powertools from Lidl in bulk...)
<ottidmes>
joepie91: from a society/environmental view, its pretty sad that this is not more normal, because now we get the situations that everybody buys something when they only need to use it sparingly, so there is ton of stuff just gathering dust, that is not getting put to good use, while still waisting the space/resources/money on it
<joepie91>
and a lot of other stuff just flat-out wasn't available for renting in NL :/
* joepie91
has some pragmatic concerns about their ideas, but agrees philosophically
<ottidmes>
joepie91: anybody rightfully would, but that does not mean we should not strive for something like it
<joepie91>
ottidmes: my pragmatic concerns with it are not those that most people would have :)
<joepie91>
but that's too lengthy a discussion to get involved in now, especially since I don't recall them from memory
<ottidmes>
joepie91: but that is the same issue I have with some political parties in the NL, e.g. I think GroenLinks have some good ideas philosophically, but I find it a pity that their solutions tend to be a bit too idealistic / not pragmatic enough
<joepie91>
ottidmes: not like lack of pragmatism has ever stopped a politician on any side of the political spectrum...
* joepie91
stares at dividendbelasting
<ottidmes>
joepie91: I really do not like the VVD, one view of Dutch politics is that by dividing it in three broad pillars, capitalism/democracy/socialism, you need a balance, and VVD is extremist in capitalism at the cost of the rest, and the sad thing is, and the longer they continue on the current trend, the more costly it will become to find balance again, so people will probably keep voting for the current
<ottidmes>
trend I'm afraid, just because it will cost less short term
<gchristensen>
was jd<...> trying to make a program for detecting if his computer is idle?
<pie_>
actually on that note, doesnt wine64 not work as well as wine32? i have nothing to back this up with
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<drakonis1>
still not the default
<drakonis1>
apparently the argument was to stick to upstream defaults
* pie_
reads thread
<colemickens>
Emily, yup I've followed that and a couple other similar ones. I figured trying to get chromium or Firefox working invwayland would be more productive that trying g to fix it or convince the sway devs to fix it
<colemickens>
Especially since I use mixed DPI modes and suffer from much worse Xwayland bugs imo
* pie_
realizes its late and rolls off to bed :c
<emily>
even if you solve browsers there's a bunch of X software that's going to keep being X software :/
<emily>
but yeah I don't have mixed DPI issues
<emily>
my terminal is running on X too, so
* colemickens
nods
<colemickens>
Ah I started routing the sway mail and I miss the ones I'm subscribed to
<colemickens>
Ugh, the workaround means everything like mako notifications would be the wrong size. :/
<emily>
right now I'm just running at 1x scale
<emily>
yeah you have to bump font sizes and everything up everywhere. it sucks.
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<gchristensen>
hrm. you can't create a gmail account anymore without a phone number.
<gchristensen>
wow, I can't log in to my gmail accounts which don't have a phone number, either, without adding a phone number.
<colemickens>
gchristensen: were these accounts that already had 2FA and they still want a number?
<gchristensen>
no idea
<colemickens>
I really don't like everywhere wanting phone numbers, seems like a nice backdoor into 2FA accounts.
<samueldr>
poorly thought-of anti-automation measures, maybe with a dash of more data harvesting :/
<colemickens>
Fastmail either made a way specially after I asked, or already had a power user mode where they will let you do TOTP or U2F two factor without having to add a phone number first. They pretty much get me as a subsriber for a while for adding/having that
<colemickens>
I thought I'd gotten my phone number off my Google account too, but I guess it's not like they don't know it.
* gchristensen
makes a hotmail account instead
<gchristensen>
oh you can't make a youtube account either without a phone number. obnoxious.
<joepie91>
you will be assimilated
<drakonis1>
hotmail...
<andi->
bootstrapping seems kinda hard these days
<andi->
I need a creditcard to get a phone number to get an email address to singup for youtube. For the creditcard I might need some proof of employment which requires education which requires an email account to send job applications..
<gchristensen>
in DE I needed my passport to get a sim card
<andi->
yeah :/
<samueldr>
fun, in UK I paid cash
<gchristensen>
same, samueldr :)
<andi->
I have a few simcards on stock from before they required that stupid thing.
<andi->
they gave them away for free..
<Arahael>
Obnoxious indeed. :(
<Arahael>
I block youtube at home. :)
<gchristensen>
there is (some) good stuff on yt, but eah
<andi->
I am usually surprised what kind of things show up when I use a new browser profile on a random hotspot... The recommendations are kinda saddening here,.. If that is what most people are consuming :/
* colemickens
nods
<colemickens>
just imagine the very young children with an ipad for 6 hours a day unfiltered
<colemickens>
and then imagine the world 15 years from now. and then pour a drink
<gchristensen>
yes, youtube.com is so weird withthe default recs
<infinisil>
It's rising up though, I can see a bright future for these guys
<infinisil>
(At 300 views right now)
<joepie91>
,get
<joepie91>
eh
<joepie91>
this is not #datahoarder
<gchristensen>
what does ,get do?
<joepie91>
fetches a title and/or description of the most recent link, eg. for a youtube video it'd fetch the name, channel name, likes/dislikes, views, etc.
<joepie91>
when there's no site-specific handler it just shows the <title>
<joepie91>
it's a feature of a bot in #datahoarder :P
<gchristensen>
neat
<infinisil>
I'm a bit conflicted regarding the bot
<infinisil>
Because on one hand I want to add lots of stuff
<infinisil>
But on the other hand it should stay nix related
<infinisil>
Can always have specific bots for specific stuff
<gchristensen>
thank you :)
<gchristensen>
if you want to add something not directly nix-ey, we can talk about it
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<infinisil>
+1
<joepie91>
oooooof.
<joepie91>
HTTP/3 supposedly based on QUIC
<joepie91>
using UDP
<joepie91>
calling it now, that's gonna cause a lot of unpleasant surprises
<samueldr>
you say supposedly, what I saw was pretty much done, HTTP/3 is HTTP/2 on QUIC
<__monty__>
What's this about gmail requiring a phone number? I'm still using my account without one afaik.
<samueldr>
probably age of the account, other 2FA, $metrics and stuff
<joepie91>
~google magic~
<samueldr>
you know, good ol' mystery sauce
<drakonis1>
i do 2fa with mobile authenticators
<drakonis1>
they're great.
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<samueldr>
__monty__: either you fulfill whatever they need, or you look human enough to them not to bother you (yet) :/
<__monty__>
Hmm, what will I do when they start requiring a number? : s I use it ass a fallback for billing for my actual email service.
<gchristensen>
they may not need one for you if you have an existing 2fa setup
<__monty__>
I don't, no smartphone you see.
<joepie91>
__monty__: hello fellow no-smartphone user, there are dozens of us~
<joepie91>
:P
<samueldr>
no need for a smartphone for 2FA
<__monty__>
It is a solitary existence, yes. Been interesting seeing how "necessary" everyone thinks having the absolute latest smartphone models is.
<__monty__>
samueldr: Do you consider SMS verification 2FA?
<samueldr>
kind of not
<samueldr>
like 1.1FA
<__monty__>
Then what did you mean?
<samueldr>
or even 0FA?
<samueldr>
TOTP
<samueldr>
my phone number was ported to a VOIP provider that some SMS brokers don't like and assume isn't a real SMS-enabled phone number :/
<samueldr>
and SMS isn't a factor of neither what I know nor what I own
<Arahael>
SMS number security is surprisingly bad.
<samueldr>
surprisingly?
<samueldr>
;)
<__monty__>
Does every TOTP implementation agree on a single universal time?
<samueldr>
I believe TOTP has fudging
<Arahael>
samueldr: Like, the telco's don't always have *basic* identification checks if you're asking for a replacement SIM.
<andi->
well time isn't the only thing for TOTP..
<andi->
digits, windowing, …
<__monty__>
samueldr: Yes, but if implementations use local tz fudging won't be enough.
<Arahael>
I use Authy, btw, it's not strictly tied to SMS.
* samueldr
has never checked implementations
<Arahael>
There are plenty of known exploits for SMS's, too. :(
<samueldr>
I would assume TOTP is all UTC or else... lol!
<andi->
I wrote 2 implementations in the last 6 months.. it really isn't rocket science :-)
<andi->
it is UTC..
<samueldr>
what if you want to be even more secure-er and use the local timezone of your busy-ness? (obviously trolling thikckly here)
<andi->
sure go nuts :P
<__monty__>
samueldr: I actually assumed manufacturers just had the devices start at 0 and they keep count of what to initialize new ones to. No reason for those calculator things to use actual time, actual time is complicated, a simple oscillator is simple : )
<andi->
__monty__: that would be HOTP
<andi->
it comes with counters not tied to time
<__monty__>
But they *are* tied to time.
<Arahael>
Sync'ing is an issue, though.
<andi->
then we might be still talking about different implementations.. there are a few of them.
<__monty__>
Just because they count faster or slower and are at a different count from posix time doesn't mean they don't keep time.
<Arahael>
__monty__: That's too philosophical.
<andi->
if you define time with "whenver I press a button time advances" it is HOTP :P
<samueldr>
and TOTP doesn't need to be a separate device, it could very well be software on your one device, with diminishing returns, but still better than no 2FA
<__monty__>
I'm just speculating. It just seems easier to ignore actual timekeeping and just have a consistently incrementing counter.
<samueldr>
heck, let me rephrase, "and 2FA doesn't need to be a separate hardware device [...]"
<Arahael>
What annoys me are google chrome 2FA impelmentations.
<andi->
s/chrome//
<Arahael>
I mean, seriously: Integrating password managers and security into a 'browser'? What happened to separation of responsibilities and sandboxes.
<__monty__>
Anyway, I have enough stuff to feed my nightmares for tonight, thanks for that ; ) nn peeps
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<__monty__>
Arahael: Actually, integrating password managers might not be so bad. The common copy-paste your password from the manager is horrible, every open site has access to your clipboard.
<Arahael>
__monty__: Why do they have access to your clipboard!?
<Arahael>
__monty__: Still, that argues that cut&paste shouldn't be the means of data transfer, it doesnt' mean that teh whole password store should be in the browser.
<Arahael>
__monty__: The KeePassXC-Browser extension is a reasonable option.
<__monty__>
You may have seen it with share buttons, they sometimes automatically copy to your clipboard.
<Arahael>
__monty__: I don't mind having access to *write* to the clipboard, but arbitrarily reading from it, or polling from it? THat's insane.
<__monty__>
Arahael: Is a plugin that communicates with the manager really that much better though?
<andi->
I usually prefer letting some tool type password in if I have to type them... Not having to use password on every page would be a great benefit.. OpenID kinda died with all the F's and G's offering their sh*t auth :/
<Arahael>
__monty__: The manager has to explicitly authorise it, and KeepassX won't provide it unless you allow it.
<Arahael>
__monty__: On a case by case basis.
<samueldr>
well, write to the clipboard is still a big issue: copying something from a site, but turns out it inserts junk is... not optimal for security
<samueldr>
andi-: don't make me 'member :(
<Arahael>
samueldr: Selecting "text" from a clipboard and copying it to then paste into a terminal is already bad.
<samueldr>
Arahael: yeah
<samueldr>
but even out of terminal
<__monty__>
Arahael: The automatic copy was just an example where you could've seen this. I'm sure some smartypants figured being able to read the clipboard was a brilliant feature too.
<Arahael>
__monty__: It was a problem on Android, actually.
<andi->
I once argued with an IE Edge guy about it and they kept on insisting it is just a great feature to be able to copy& pate $spreadshi(r)t in the browser
<andi->
*spreadsheet
<Arahael>
One wonders if someone's solved this on linux. :( Would be neat if someone made a clipboard be by-user-request-only, and made the contents visible
<andi->
wayland maybe? :D
<Arahael>
andi-: Right - if the user presses the keys.
<Arahael>
andi-: I don't knwo if wayland does that?
<andi->
I would imagine that clipboard access would be kinda different there. Different meaning it could be better?!
<andi->
not sure. Still want to look into that som day...
<Arahael>
andi-: Clipboards on xorg are pretty crazy, different would indeed be better, but it's a very low bar.
<gchristensen>
Arahael: xorg has far too many clipboards for my taste :)
<Arahael>
gchristensen: It's insane.
<__monty__>
I think the article I read about it was specifically about X but mentioned wayland wasn't any better. Memory's vague though.
<andi->
Good negative example for clipboard features in browsers: As soon as github started suporting smarter pasting it broke my gist workflow with pasting there.. By now they fixed it but it didn't work for >4y? gitlab is still broken.. I have to use a text box as intermediate buffer since middle-mouse paste is mostly broken.