<DigitalKiwi> next step is flash your phone from another phone
<DigitalKiwi> and develop android apps on a tablet
<danielrf[m]> I do kindof want to try flashing a phone from another phone--if only for the bragging rights :)
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<samueldr> danielrf[m]: amazing
<samueldr> danielrf[m]: it shouldn't be hard to do, just... do it
<samueldr> hmm, there might be one issue
<samueldr> how do you determine which is the host and which is the guest if you don't have a hub?
<samueldr> (but trivial if you use a usb hub)
<DigitalKiwi> have a hub
<samueldr> but just having the tools for aarch64 is nice
<samueldr> did it take a long time to build?
<DigitalKiwi> can it go in nixpkgs
<danielrf[m]> I was hoping the "USB controlled by" setting under the android "USB preferences" would be sufficient to say which device would be the host
<danielrf[m]> The other issue I have is that my phones are currently unrooted--so no direct USB access
<danielrf[m]> termux has a "termux-usb" thing which should allow access on unrooted systems, but it didn't seem to work for me
<danielrf[m]> samueldr: I built it originally on the community builder--pretty quick. I also later did it on my phone using nix-on-droid--quite a bit slower
<danielrf[m]> my hacky soongnix build scripts don't have any parallelism currently--I'll probably generate makefiles or .ninja files like the real "soong" for parallelism
<danielrf[m]> DigitalKiwi: That's something I'd like to see! I'd need to clean up the nix expressions significantly first. (see also https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/75603)
<{^_^}> #75603 (by primeos, 34 weeks ago, open): Build Android tools from source (adb, SDK, Android Studio, etc.)
<samueldr> danielrf[m]: see, my mobile nixos phones don't have a usb preferences menu :)
<danielrf[m]> building from source would mean we wouldn't have to require the user to accept the SDK license.
<danielrf[m]> samueldr: haha, true :)
<samueldr> (and I don't remember that from any phones)
<samueldr> oh, just found it, and there's nothing that looks host enough :/
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<DigitalKiwi> does cellular service work on mobile nixos
<DigitalKiwi> and can you make calls
<samueldr> not yet
<DigitalKiwi> oh
<DigitalKiwi> just wifi then?
<DigitalKiwi> does cellular work on any linux device
<DigitalKiwi> like that surface pro x has a built in 4g modem does linux support stuff like that?
<samueldr> yes cellular can work on linux devices
<samueldr> and it's a goal of the project
<samueldr> AFAIK it's all possible, though there may be some caveats for android-based hardware
<samueldr> though the pinephone (and anything made-for-mainline) should work just fine at some point
<DigitalKiwi> time for vague question o clock
<DigitalKiwi> i saw a laptop that looked interesting
<DigitalKiwi> and now i can't find it
<DigitalKiwi> that's all i can remember
<DigitalKiwi> do you know which one it is? :P
<samueldr> looked interesting how? and in what year? new?
<samueldr> open hardware? aarch64?
<DigitalKiwi> ok there is more i think it had a lot of ram and was like something i hadn't heard of and it may or may not have had open hardware possibly aarch64 but not maybe not
<DigitalKiwi> like i was probably looking for open devices and/or laptops with a lot of ram
<samueldr> lots of ram almost rules out aarch64 because AFAIK there's nothing for consumers with lots of ram really
<samueldr> (unless 4GB is lots)
<DigitalKiwi> ok not aarch64 then for sure
<DigitalKiwi> have they started shipping helios
<samueldr> not yet
<DigitalKiwi> i got one of the (second preorder) eelego saturn
<DigitalKiwi> they got delayed :(
<samueldr> (btw you're on -aarch64, if you wanted -chat)
<DigitalKiwi> sorry
<samueldr> no worries :)
<samueldr> wasn't sure if it was a mistake or just random thoughts
<DigitalKiwi> found it
<DigitalKiwi> i think it was this one https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-14/
<noneucat> oops i don't think irc handled that right
<DigitalKiwi> i probably found it from someone talking about the librem phone here and that's why it was linked in my brain to this channel
<DigitalKiwi> this time i'll bookmark it
<samueldr> if you end up with a librem laptop, note that there's often quirks with their keyboard hardware
<samueldr> if it's a really-new model it might not have the appropriate fix in udev's hwdb
<DigitalKiwi> i think the reason i didn't bookmark it was i decided they were too expensive
<DigitalKiwi> for me
<samueldr> not sure if system76 are more affordable, but they are getting as-Free as purism in some cases
<samueldr> which is good
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<noneucat> looks like the lima issue was fixed in mesa 19.3.0
<noneucat> not sure what's going on then
<noneucat> maybe a separate issue
<samueldr> I would hasard a guess than most pine systems end up using some edge of mesa
<noneucat> looks like i'm fishing around pmos repos tonight :0
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<JJJollyjim> ooo reading scrollback, the helios64 looks neat
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<theotherjimmy[m]> Agreed. That's a good alternative to a RockPro or HardRock
<theotherjimmy[m]> With a sweet case
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<sphalerite> I'm waiting very impatiently for mine to ship :)
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* colemickens has a spare refurb pixel 3 and a pinephone on the way
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<samueldr> nice
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<Thra11> When are they going to do a "NixOS edition" pinephone? :)
<samueldr> no one spoke with me about that
<samueldr> I figure two issues
<DigitalKiwi> in the mean time there is nix-on-droid
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<DigitalKiwi> wait
<samueldr> (1) the user base is much smaller than those other projects
<DigitalKiwi> is pinephone android
<samueldr> no
<DigitalKiwi> rip
<samueldr> btw, "NixOS edition" is about printing on the back panel + community contribution
<samueldr> Mobile NixOS already works (to parity+) on the Pinephone
<samueldr> (2) most NixOS users I know of that had interest in the device already will have one
<samueldr> maybe I could get in touch with them and see if they're more interested in producing only replacement backs?
<samueldr> though I guess the community size would make it or break it
<samueldr> I figure that, other than the upgraded ram version, there is no reason anyone with a pinephone would buy a second one only for the NixOS edition branding
<DigitalKiwi> does pinephone support cellular or is it wifi only too
<samueldr> the support hasn't been worked on yet
<samueldr> though that should only be a formailty
<samueldr> formality*
<DigitalKiwi> that's some galaxy brain right there for them to release a phone that doesn't even phone
<samueldr> support in Mobile NixOS
<DigitalKiwi> oic
<DigitalKiwi> sorry yeah that was imprecise i meant w/e os pinephone ships with
<samueldr> galaxy brained of them: they don't really ship an OS :)
<DigitalKiwi> well now i feel less dumb
<DigitalKiwi> so like what os does support it with cellular
<samueldr> though some mobile distros with more regular person-hours do have it working already without issues
<samueldr> AFAIK "upstream" postmarketOS and UBPorts do
<samueldr> and I believe there's an archlinux forklet by an individual with good support for it
<DigitalKiwi> arch of course lol
<samueldr> there could be other distros with support, I don't know them off the top of my head if there are
<DigitalKiwi> wow there's no pinephone wiki page though that's a shock
<DigitalKiwi> arch*wiki page
<samueldr> yeah, there shouldn't be either since archlinux doesn't support ARM/aarch64
<DigitalKiwi> well there is a page for arm that basically says that but go here
<samueldr> this is the "forklet" with details
<samueldr> I say forklet because it's not a fork, but it's not upstream, and it's more than just a repo with pkgbuilds since they distribute images
<samueldr> I don't know if a better term already could be used
<DigitalKiwi> overlay
<samueldr> that's not something archlinux has
<samueldr> like, as a coherent thing you can manipulate
<DigitalKiwi> i'm coining it now
<DigitalKiwi> btw
<DigitalKiwi> so far it has been a major failure :( not a complete failure but a failure
<DigitalKiwi> oh
<DigitalKiwi> i should uh write that post and send it to domenkozar
<DigitalKiwi> for nixos weekly
<DigitalKiwi> is there a nixos for aarch64 logo
<samueldr> no, and there's no need for it since it's part of the main distro :)
<DigitalKiwi> but we could sticker them on the back of pinephone
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<colemickens> alright clever I have to ask, I feel like there's a chance... you don't have a Nix expression for building the rpi4 uefi firmware do you?
<colemickens> I kind of want to build it with the 3GB limit off so I can serve that over netboot.
<colemickens> I guess there's probably a way to apply that settings to the nvram file?
<colemickens> Or, big brain, I could do it on an SD card, then copy out the FD nvram file and use it. That should work.
<clever> colemickens: i havent looked into building uefi with nix yet
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