#nixos-aarch64 on 2019-02-22

2018-09-23 16:56 gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-aarch64 to: Get access to the NixOS Community aarch64 build box: https://github.com/nix-community/aarch64-build-box ... todo: https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixpkgs/trunk#tabs-jobs build box status: https://monitoring.nix.ci/d/hkRCcV0mk/instance-metrics?var-instance=aarch64.nixos.community&orgId=1

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17:57 <samueldr> >> The HDMI from A64 is converted thanks to external chip to USB-C Displayport, so PinePhone will have (almost) full featured USB-C connector (only USB3.0 feature missing)

17:58 <samueldr> (not surprising given the R18 SoC doesn't have usb 3)

17:58 <samueldr> https://baldnerd.com/pine64-has-nearly-finalized-the-pinephone-design/

17:58 <samueldr> (the earlier quote was from their irc channel)

18:21 <makefu> Torvalds about ARM on Servers: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=183440&curpostid=183486

18:23 <samueldr> maybe I'm misreading this, but I've seen this posted as "ARM IS DOOMED", but I read "arm needs workstations"

19:38 <makefu> samueldr: that is pretty much what linus says, as long as everybody needs to cross for servers these things will not lift off (his words)

19:39 <gchristensen> he's missing his own point though

19:39 <makefu> also arm cannot really be doomed, *every* smartphone is arm

19:39 <samueldr> arm is doomed I say! (as an armchair internet loudmouth)

19:40 <samueldr> /s btw

19:40 <gchristensen> the reasons he uses to say ARM is doomed is what made x86 successful

19:41 <samueldr> I'm wondering what his further replies are; everyone links to that post, but doesn't summarise the whole discussion :/

19:42 <samueldr> further and prior

19:44 <makefu> tl;dr

19:45 <samrose_> yes, he is saying the success was the "develop at home" issue. I assume ARM is a better deal for data centers, and so making a really nice ARM laptop developer platform might do it

19:47 <gchristensen> low end always wins

19:49 <clever> samrose_: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena

19:50 <clever> fully open source arm laptop

19:51 <samueldr> 32 bit

19:52 <clever> yeah, the design is a bit dated, would need to make a newer one with a newer cpu

19:52 <clever> but its open source, so anybody could improve it, if a suitable cpu is found

19:52 <samueldr> probably the most annoying part of the design

19:53 <samueldr> and also, there's probably a difference in having a laptop, and having a usable laptops

19:53 <samueldr> if the goal is to reach developers to *develop* on and for arm

19:54 <samueldr> stuff like the pinebook, which will work for light usage, won't really do (it's basically in the raspberry pi 3 ballpart)

19:54 <samueldr> ballpark*

19:54 <clever> the novena also has things like an fpga onboard

19:54 <clever> so you can develop more custom things

19:54 <samueldr> now, this: https://www.asus.com/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-NovaGo-TP370QL/

19:55 <samueldr> though the price is a hard pill to swallow; I'm not sure what the target audience is

19:56 <samueldr> 900$CAD for a laptop which has only 6GB ram

19:56 <samueldr> though the good thing is that it's known that the UEFI is not locked

19:56 <samueldr> but the annoying bit is how there's no kernel support for the storage

19:57 <samueldr> so while you can boot a usb drive, you can't access the storage (yet)

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