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goibhniu >
hi adisbladis[m]
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Hi!
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: What are the options for frame grabbing you have been looking at?
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goibhniu >
a magewell one ~€350, which is what we used last year
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goibhniu >
an Elgato CamLink, which gets good reviews ~€150 (or less)
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goibhniu >
and then there's the cheap but hacky option of using a LKV373A HDMI extender for ~€40
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goibhniu >
I'm tempted to get both of the cheaper options ... but I'd like to have another look this evening
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goibhniu >
do you have experience with this stuff by any chance?
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-> coffee brb
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Not really... But I live in a location where I can potentially get this kind of stuff for dirt cheap
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adisbladis[m] >
I'm trying to find some chinese hdmi grabbing solutions that works with a mainline kernel
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goibhniu >
oh! nice!
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goibhniu >
well, anything that does UVC should be good
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: I can get those LKV373A for ~25eur
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goibhniu >
it would be great to have an affordable solution, to make this set up easy for all kinds of meetings
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adisbladis[m] >
I'm tempted to get it anyway for home
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goibhniu >
yeah, I'm also tempted to get one, just to try it out
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: I'll get a few of those then :)
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goibhniu >
awesome!
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goibhniu >
they can also be used for plugging in all kinds of cameras, so they add a lot of flexibility
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goibhniu >
well, any hdmi frame grabber can be used for that
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goibhniu >
my current setup is with a rather fancy usb webcam, which is also okay
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adisbladis[m] >
Yeah of course, but if they are cheap we can have a few scattered about from different sources
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goibhniu >
do you think you can find any other UVC frame grabber options there?
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Seems to be a few around 60eur
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goibhniu >
nice! hdmi pass through would be handy, although I think a splitter will do the same thing
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adisbladis[m] >
Hdmi passthrough is a different price bracket entirely
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goibhniu >
could you send me some details for any of them?
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: I'll add it to the trello card
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goibhniu >
do you think if you bought them and posted them to me, they'd arrive pretty soon? I can pay for them myself.
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Depends on what I pay for shipping :)
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goibhniu >
ah cool, any idea what it would cost to get something here in two weeks or so?
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goibhniu >
(just a rough guess)
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goibhniu >
... this could work out well, since you could quickly test them before shipping too
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Anywhere from 10-30 euros depending on shipping company
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goibhniu >
that would be perfect
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samueldr >
my experiences with an LKV box (for local game capture), you'll need to slap an alternative firmware on that
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samueldr >
and it reduces the quality of the image :(
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goibhniu >
cool, do you remember how much that one cost roughly?
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samueldr >
(the alternative firmware is needed when some features like 1080p aren't enabled in the shipped firmware)
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goibhniu >
interesting, is it UVC?
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samueldr >
you get raw RT(M?)P packets on the ethernet
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goibhniu >
ah right, that one, cool!
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samueldr >
(not my post, but pretty much the right post to look at)
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samueldr >
and 1080p != 1080p
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goibhniu >
super! it wasn't clear to me if it could do 1080p from the blog post and comments
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samueldr >
1728×1080@30fps
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samueldr >
imho it's best left as a way to multicast on long distances with multiple boxes instead of abusing as a recording device
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samueldr >
I also often had issues with the recorded stream
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goibhniu >
fantastic, let's avoid that then
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samueldr >
the i-frames (iirc, those sending the full state back) sometimes were missing
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samueldr >
which caused weird glitchyness in the recorded stream
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goibhniu >
ah, I thought it sent an mjpeg stream
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goibhniu >
this is great to know
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adisbladis[m] >
Lets just get some UVC boxes then so we get proper USB support
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adisbladis[m] >
Less weirdness
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samueldr >
UVC is probably a much much safer bet
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samueldr >
oh, and add to that that if you don't want to see a delayed stream, you have to add a mess of hdmi splitters :) (game capture)
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adisbladis[m] >
samueldr: How is hdmi splitters messy?
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samueldr >
in a vacuum it isn't but it created a mess of cables I had to hide away
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adisbladis[m]: do you happen to have access to a mac to test on? (They always seem to be fussy.)
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: Yeah we have a few at work
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adisbladis[m] >
Also pci passthrough to my mac vm should be possible
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adisbladis[m] >
pci/usb passthrough
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goibhniu >
just to test the output from a mac, we'll be using a NixOS box for capturing
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goibhniu >
excellent!
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adisbladis[m] >
Claims to support UVC and 1080p@60
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adisbladis[m] >
And costs around 50 euros
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samueldr >
(I have no actual experience)
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samueldr >
well, except with the LKV box
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samueldr >
but as long as it's UVC, it shouldn't cause much issues
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adisbladis[m]: that looks good to me!
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adisbladis[m] >
So how many? Anyone else wants some? :)
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adisbladis[m]: if you come across something similar, it might be good to get that too ... so we have a backup
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goibhniu >
I'm happy to pay for two and the postage, I can send you the money via paypal if that suits.
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samueldr >
the main pain point is basically: it could saturate some usb3 controllers and
*then* cause issues
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goibhniu >
at least we don't need high frame rate
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goibhniu >
interesting video
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adisbladis[m] >
Found some chinese reviews, seems ok
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samueldr >
the issue could compound, we don't need 60fps for broadcast, but if the source is 30fps and lags a bit, it could cause choppiness by dropping the scheduled frames
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samueldr >
don't know if I was able to convey the message properly
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samueldr >
(if either part lags a bit)
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samueldr >
so ideally, no part should drop frames except obs otherwise it will cause weirdness
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(though, choppy video is better than no video!)
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goibhniu >
luckily, choppyness also wouldn't even be a problem for us ... it's mainly just going to show slides
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goibhniu >
overheating and failing would be terrible though
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one person did show a video from their laptop last year though
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adisbladis[m] >
I'll stress test it through a movie or something like that
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adisbladis[m]: do you know if the aluminium case option is much more expensive?
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: It seems to be the more common option on taobao actually. That was the one I gave the price for
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adisbladis[m]: will I transfer some money so you can put in an order?
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adisbladis[m] >
goibhniu: I'll order first, we can arrange the money later
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goibhniu >
cool cheers! maybe just get one first to test it out
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that might be a good backup option
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makefu >
i am looking forward to the choice you do. i might just as well but the same device - the nixos support will be fantastic :D
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samueldr >
(I think the goal is to have no nixos support, only upstream support)
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makefu >
you know what i mean ;)
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goibhniu >
it would be awesome to have an affordable device to do this ... every NixOS meeting could be streamed \o/
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makefu >
right now i need a kernel-patch for the ezcap usb av-recorder to work
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goibhniu >
ah, I could only find two mentions of excap devices on the obs forum, both unanswered questions about issues they were having
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goibhniu >
it's nice to see more UVC options around now
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goibhniu >
the RPi hats are interesting too
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makefu >
yes, that is true. 2 years ago there was literally nothing but ~1k devices,sdcard stream writer and AV grabber with PAL/NTSC
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goibhniu >
TBF, we could just package an ffmpeg script that streams the desktop over the network
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makefu >
when you can prepare everything you can just start obs and stream your desktop
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goibhniu >
yeah, that's an even easier option
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goibhniu >
(you can stream from one OBS to another)
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goibhniu >
depending on the network isn't ideal either though
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goibhniu >
I like how one of the frame grabbers has a big notice on their page "please don't use a HDMI splitter to bypass copy protection" ^_^
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there is also a lovely open hardware option, but it costs ~$450
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goibhniu >
hrm, maybe the RPi hats are open hardware too
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