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<cransom> my experiences with apfs hasn't been 100% pleasant. the imac would panic with apfs/core storage in the trace every 3-4 days with filevault turned on. turned it off, it would last a week or so. took 3 installs to figure out how to get back to hfs+
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<johnw> cransom: OK, then for the time being I don't see much advantage in switching
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<dhess> on the other hand, I've been using APFS+FileVault with High Sierra since its release on 4 Macs and haven't had any issues with it
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<johnw> hmm.. ok
<johnw> battle of core dumps
<dhess> You probably won't notice much difference with APFS at this point. I think the primary reason to upgrade are the security fixes, especially with all of this Spectre/Meltdown stuff. I know that Apple just back-ported some fixes from High Sierra to Sierra and one or two earlier releases, but it took awhile and I'm not sure whether it's all of the fixes/mitigations they've done for those exploits, or just the most serious ones.
<gchristensen> I haven't seen any major problems since 10.13.2 but jeeze the number of times they've forgotten to verify passwords is shocking
<johnw> how is someone going to spectre/meltdown attack my machine anyway?
<johnw> the browser updated like the next day
<johnw> maybe code delivered through Nix?
<johnw> but then, I would be screwed anyway
<LnL> my bluetooth has been very flaky since 10.13
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<gchristensen> oh, also, fwiw, the only thing I use my mac for is as an OfBorg builder
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<johnw> fetchgit knows to do a shallow clone, right?
<johnw> yeah, seems shallow-ish
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<cransom> the air is just fine with apfs, though i don't use that as hard. but i coudln't find any reference to anyone else having my problems either and it seems very unlikely to be hardware since it was 100% before high sierra
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