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<_pash> is there anyone around who knows about package building and overrides?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar pushed to master « libxmlb: 0.1.11 → 0.1.13 »: https://git.io/JeBP3
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<red[m]> oh - I did I miss office hours this week?
<red[m]> pants
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #71410 → Revert "nixos/gnome3: fix gnome-flashback" → https://git.io/JeBPL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeBPu
<{^_^}> _pash: Please expand your question to include more information, this will help us help you :)
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<hpfr[m]> Did the bot just talk lol
<clever> uhhh, what? lol
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/JeBPo
<infinisil> hpfr[m]: clever: PM ",expand" to the bot to find out why :)
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<clever> infinisil: ahhh!
<hpfr[m]> On the matrix bridge right now
<infinisil> ,expand
<{^_^}> ,expand #<channel> <user>: Anonymously send "Please expand your question to include more information, this will help us help you :)" to a user in a specific channel (only works in PMs)
<hpfr[m]> What, because that’s too aggressive to send personally? Haha
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #71411 → [r19.09] putty: add patch for CVE-2019-17069 → https://git.io/JeBPK
<chessai> ,expand
<{^_^}> ,expand #<channel> <user>: Anonymously send "Please expand your question to include more information, this will help us help you :)" to a user in a specific channel (only works in PMs)
<chessai> nice
<infinisil> I haven't talked about this functionality here, it's there in case people ask very vague questions but you don't necessarily want to obligate yourself to helping
<clever> infinisil++
<{^_^}> infinisil's karma got increased to 150
<infinisil> Because if I ask "Can you expand on that?" Users will think I know stuff about <thing>, which I might not, I'm just asking for more info in case somebody else can help with more info
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<mdash> hpfr[m]: remember there's #nix:matrix.org too if you want something fancier ;-)
<chocopuff> idk if this is the right place, but damn nix sounds so good on paper but so hard to get right as a newcomer arghhh
<chocopuff> it is very rewarding and frustrating at the same time lol
<chocopuff> there is just a steep learning curve
<infinisil> chocopuff: Yeah there sure is..
<infinisil> We're here to help though :)
<hpfr[m]> mdash: I prefer the IRC because it’s much more active, just use the bridge on mobile
<chocopuff> :D
<evils> btw, i just installed ubuntu 19.10, that shit's frustrating...
<chocopuff> it probably is a matter of getting the hang of it
<evils> oh and isn't a steep learning curve one where you learn a lot for little time invested?
<evils> brb, gonna see if i broke my desktop too :P
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<evils> i think i just prefer a hell of my own making :D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @NeQuissimus pushed to master « oh-my-zsh: 2019-10-16 -> 2019-10-19 »: https://git.io/JeBPd
<hpfr[m]> I suppose that would be the proper definition of a learning curve but it’s used colloquially to mean difficulty curve I’d say
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<evils> yea, and even the "proper" meaning doesn't rule out frustration, which indeed this channel helps a lot with
<infinisil> Wait isn't it the other way around?
<infinisil> A steep learning curve is one where you need to invest a lot of time for little benefit?
<infinisil> Hm although you do get a lot of benefit out of it too
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<evils> i'm thinking X axis is investment, Y is return
<clever> evils:
<evils> i tend to think of the colloquial use as a wedge, steep angle is running into a wall :P
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @eadwu opened pull request #71412 → luksroot: yubikey fixes → https://git.io/JeBPA
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<clever> evils: i once saw somebody in this channel, asking how to quit `nix repl` and saying it was as difficult as vim!
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<evils> well, vim doesn't give you a hint...
<clever> evils: the irony, is that you exit both with :q, lol
<evils> i saw, but only after looking for it, ctrl+d seems fine
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<infinisil> I think it would be best to just call Nix hard to learn instead of saying it has a steep learning curve :)
<infinisil> (in accordance with above answers)
<evils> i'm not entirely convinced it's hard to learn, more that there isn't particularly good learning material?
<infinisil> Doesn't that make it hard to learn?
<ShaRose> ok, so a while ago I was having issues with dnsdist: turns out, it's the DynamicUser setting in the systemd service it makes. If I force it to false, it works fine.
<ShaRose> Any idea what's the best way to get that fixed?
<ShaRose> (I mean, I can just mkForce it, but still)
<evils> infinisil: i guess, but it's a curable ailment
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<infinisil> ShaRose: Setting that to false means the service probably runs as root, with all privileges, which is no good. DynamicUser enables a whole bunch of isolations to prevent services from doing nasty stuff
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<ShaRose> yeah but it also isolates it from being allowed to bind
<ShaRose> so
<infinisil> ShaRose: Look at `man systemd.exec` to see what it all does. Try to figure out why it fails with it, then allow that specific thing manually (via serviceConfig.*)
<infinisil> ShaRose: Ah yeah that's a common thing that has to be manually allowed
<infinisil> nixpkgs should have some examples lemme see..
<infinisil> ShaRose: Try `serviceConfig.CapabilityBoundingSet="CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE"`
<ShaRose> that's included in the original service
<ShaRose> it looks like everything that should be there is, which is odd
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #71369 → mediawiki: 1.33.0 -> 1.33.1 → https://git.io/JeBlj
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeBXI
<infinisil> ShaRose: What's the error?
<infinisil> That is a bit odd
<ShaRose> dnsdist[9576]: Fatal error: binding socket to 10.90.13.2:53: Permission denied (in journalctl)
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<infinisil> ShaRose: Are you enabling this for the first time?
<ShaRose> yeah
<infinisil> Hm, what's `nix-info` output?
<infinisil> Maybe this started happening with some sytemd update
<ShaRose> nope, it's with 19.03 (which reminds me, it didn't update apparently)
<infinisil> ShaRose: Did you try it with forcing PrivateDevices to false?
<ShaRose> lemme try
<infinisil> Just a suspicion
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chessai opened pull request #71413 → Add arrayfire → https://git.io/JeBXL
<ShaRose> no dice
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<ShaRose> lemme see if 19.09 fixes it for some reason
<chessai> haven't made a PR to nixpkgs in a while, if i've no idea which nixpkgs maintainer to cc, is there someone i should pick, or leave it out entirely?
<infinisil> I just wanted to see whether the module changed between 19.03 and 19.09
<ShaRose> systemd probably changed at the very least
<ShaRose> so
<infinisil> The module didn't seem to change
<evils> chessai: there should be a maintainer listed in the default.nix of the relevant package, under meta.maintainers
<infinisil> ShaRose: Maybe it has to do with your ip there, where's that one from? A VPN?
<chessai> oh, i'm daft, that refers to the package maintainer, not the nixpkgs maintainers
<ShaRose> linked the nix file, it's a local IP formed from a bridge
<chessai> (as in the people with commit bit)
<infinisil> ShaRose: Ah did'nt notice
<red[m]> Okay - basic question. I've been asked to cherrypick a commit to release-19.09
<ShaRose> also, kinda lame how dnsdist doesn't automatically add the firewall rules :P
<red[m]> I don't see a release-19.09 branch
<red[m]> ?
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<red[m]> ohh
<red[m]> I bet it's becauae my fork is old and hasn't snagged that particular branch
<red[m]> so I'm synced on all the other branches - but not those
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<red[m]> so I guess I do git checkout upstream/release-19.09
<red[m]> and git push?
<qyliss> You can't commit to upstream/release-19.09
<qyliss> git checkout release-19.09 might just create you the branch if you have an upstream remote
<qyliss> Otherwise, git checkout -b release-19.09 upstream/release-19.09
<qyliss> Remote branches are read-only
<red[m]> no, bt I should be able to push to my origin
<ShaRose> inb4 red[m] is actually a superhacker and totally can push to upstream/release-19.09
<qyliss> It's not that you can't push to it
<infinisil> ShaRose: Oh, try `RestrictAddressFamilies=mkForce "AF_UNIX AF_INET AF_INET6 AF_NETLINK";
<qyliss> Git won't let you commit to a remote branch
<red[m]> well, I am a superhacker in a different domain
<ShaRose> still upgrading to 19.09, but will try
<qyliss> Because they're for tracking remote state, not local state
<red[m]> eating and comedy :-P
<ShaRose> good one
<red[m]> Branch 'release-19.09' set up to track remote branch 'release-19.09' from 'upstream'
<red[m]> okay - that looks good I guess
<infinisil> Though, after reading a bit more, I'm not very hopeful with AF_NETLINK, even though it sounds promising
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<red[m]> This branch is even with NixOS:release-19.09.
<red[m]> :-D
<red[m]> So - if I'm in my checked out state for release-19.09
<red[m]> and then create a new branch from here - any changes I make should be able to create a PR relative to release-19.09 right?
<samueldr> yeah
<red[m]> (sorry- this is the first time I've been asked to PR against a release so want to make sure I don't waste any reviewer's time)
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<evils> red[m]: no worries, github will let you review your changes before submitting the PR, and after that the bot will tell you if there's issues with it before anyone gets to it
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<red[m]> I for one appreciate my robot overlord
<red[m]> it's funny = I got added to the org yesterday and got my first review request from the bot the same day
<red[m]> a coincidence I'm sure ;-)
<red[m]> hmm
<red[m]> from a practical standpoint - how do I check something doesn't break downstream packages when in a release branch?
<red[m]> since I usually push stuff on master, and my servers all run on master... I just nixos-rebuild against them
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #71049 → buildGoModule: disable default go module proxy → https://git.io/JeldW
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeBX2
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<red[m]> I mean - I can switch from master to release on my production systems to test it - because nixos is that reliable
<red[m]> but it seems a bit more work than most would do so I'm guessing i'm missing something
<evils> red[m]: could you clarify what you mean with downstream?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @redvers opened pull request #71415 → mediawiki: 1.33.0 -> 1.33.1 → https://git.io/JeBXr
<red[m]> Okay - let's see how that goes
<red[m]> kid's gone to bed so now I can watch the open hours video from yesterday.
<evils> if you use `v` instead of `x` in the checkmark boxes they get checked :P
<red[m]> haha, thanks
<red[m]> I used to use unicode checkboxes until someone told me to use Xs instead
<red[m]> I can't win
<red[m]> :-D
<red[m]> evils: doesn't matter in this case, but by downstream - I mean packages that depend on whichever package I'm working on
<red[m]> and I have this REALLY weird bug regarding one of the packages I'm working on
<red[m]> because of that
<red[m]> Specifically - the package is icu
<red[m]> when I nixos-rebuild against it, it fails
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<red[m]> when I nixos-rebuild against it a second time it works
<red[m]> and that shouldn't ever happen
<red[m]> my concern is that if I upload this icu branch, it may pass all the things when compiled by itself
<red[m]> but then if someone actually commits it - it will break the channel build
<red[m]> and I don't want to do that
<red[m]> because that would be rude
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<evils> it's not the nix-daemon thing right?
<red[m]> umm
<red[m]> is that when you get a connection refused thing from nix-daemon?
<red[m]> that I see from time to time
<evils> yea, that's the only thing i've seen where re-running nixos-rebuild works (though i'm quite new to nix)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #71416 → nixos/gnome3: add sound-theme-freedesktop → https://git.io/JeBXD
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<red[m]> huh
<red[m]> I wonder how many people use stable vs unstable?
<chessai> ive used unstable for 2 years now
<chessai> and have never used stable
<clever> ive always uses nixos-unstable
<red[m]> at least from where I sit, I use unstable everywhere because if it made it into channels then I know it'll compile
<chessai> yeah, nixos-unstable to be precise
<red[m]> yeah - I've yet to see stable actually really break anything
<red[m]> sorry
<red[m]> unstable
<chessai> at work (with ubuntu) nixpkgs-unstable
<chessai> i have
<chessai> pdflatex breaks often in unstable
<chessai> there are some other things
<evils> so my laptop's build from nixpkgs-unstable, using networking.networkmanager.enable = true; leads to nscd failing and breaking booting
<clever> evils: you should never build nixos from the nixpkgs- channels
<red[m]> ah, I don't use networkmanager
<red[m]> I try to reduce my systemd exposure as much as possible
<evils> clever: what's the difference with nixos-unstable?
<clever> evils: nixos-unstable runs extra tests, to make sure the channel wont brick a nixos machine
<clever> evils: about a year ago, a bug appeared in grub, that broke booting entirely
<clever> nixpkgs-unstable updated, nixos-unstable didnt
<clever> that exposed a lot of people running from the wrong channel, as updating bricked things
<evils> clever: ah right, seem to recall you saying so before; i don't care about bricking my laptop (i assume you don't mean hard-bricking)
<clever> depends on what the issue is
<clever> it could be a kernel bug that corrupts your FS
<clever> though the tests arent that extensive, and such a thing might still slip thru
<evils> with hard-bricking i mean my device becomes entirely unusable and reinstalling won't fix it
<clever> only if nixos is managing your bios firmware, would that be a risk
<chessai> evils: i mean a grub brick really sucks.
<red[m]> let's avoid that shall we? ;-)
<chessai> grub recently did something really stupid on my machine and me and clever spent forever debugging it
<evils> btw, since when are there nix*-unstable branches on the nixpkgs repo?
<clever> chessai: oh, i recently found a great boot info script
<chessai> holy crap thats useful
<clever> /nix/store/n4dd49in4yx6xn5mda8pdf318qbn04p7-gcc-vc4-stage2
<clever> wooo, it compiles! (but i had to disable c++ support)
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<chessai> nice!
<chessai> do you need c++ support?
<clever> unknown! lol
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<red[m]> so I'm watching office hours
<red[m]> and grahamc mentioned that redhat is switching to wayland. Why do I get the feeling that that means that redhat will weaponize systemd to kill off x11
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nh2 closed pull request #66416 → pkgsStatic: Don't disable static on curl for git → https://git.io/fj72C
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<red[m]> speaking of - does anyone here use wayland yet?
<red[m]> on nixos
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #71417 → nfpm: 0.13.0 -> 1.0.0 → https://git.io/JeB1s
<evils> i use sway (mostly because xserver failed to start on my custom iso xD)
<evils> on my laptop*
<red[m]> can you share your configuration?
<red[m]> I literally know nothing but would be curious to see how the otherhalf live
<red[m]> I just really don't want to install kde or gnome etc
<evils> unfortunately, everything from nixos on that front i use is programs.sway.enable = true; and then a ~/.config/sway/config file
<evils> that config file is almost my i3 file, except i set my keyboard layout there
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<evils> jtojnar: ty, i made my own branch 4 days ago xD
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #71418 → bazelisk: 1.0 -> 1.1.0 → https://git.io/JeB1W
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to master « transporter: remove »: https://git.io/JeB1B
<red[m]> so if I enable sway, wayland will come in?
<red[m]> and I guess I have to remove all my x11 stuff?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl opened pull request #71419 → texlive: 2018 -> 2019 → https://git.io/JeB1R
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<evils> with pkgs.sway.enable you get xwayland too
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<evils> s/pkgs/programs/
<red[m]> okay - lemme try that
<red[m]> brb
<evils> i hope you're familiar with i3
<red[m]> I tried it a long time ago
<red[m]> I tend to use enlightenment as a WM
<evils> sway is as close as possible a 1:1 port of i3 to wayland
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #71420 → rclone: 1.49.4 -> 1.49.5 → https://git.io/JeB12
<ShaRose> infinisil no dice, btw. Also tried RestrictAddressFamilies="~";
<infinisil> Weird
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<angerman> how do I debug a derivation? Ideally I'd be placed into the derivation to the point where I can run build or something and it would behave identically to what the derivation with nix-build is doing.
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<angerman> infinisil: hmm ok. That's a start!
<clever> angerman: if sandboxing isnt a concern, you can just run `nix-shell /nix/store/foo.drv` and it will set the same env vars
<infinisil> Either that or run the derivation with a nix-shell
<clever> angerman: then just tweak `$out`, and run `genericBuild`
<angerman> clever: hmm let's see that seems like a slightly less invasive approach. My current issue is that I end up with encoding issues in nix-build, but LANG is set properly...
<infinisil> clever: Unfortunately (same with the breakpoint thing) it's hard to know what commands to run for immediate steps :/
<clever> angerman: `nix-shell --pure /nix/store/foo.drv` should replicate the env vars right
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<ShaRose> infinisil just noticed that the dnsdist service on centos has all those same flags except instead of a dynamic user it has a specific one and includes NoNewPrivileges=true
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<infinisil> DynamicUser enables NoNewPrivileges by default fwiw
<infinisil> And RemoveIPC and PrivateTmp too
<infinisil> Maybe disable one of those?
<ShaRose> there's a few things included in the service that dynamicuser implies apparently
<infinisil> Maybe you could ask #systemd for guidance, or the original module author. The module must have worked at some point
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<ShaRose> debated that but wasn't sure what the policy was behind just emailing people (I'm assuming who committed it was the author: avoiding a blind ping etc)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to master « torrential: use vala 0.40 »: https://git.io/JeB1P
<angerman> clever: thanks. That seems to have helped shed some light!
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<__red__> Well, I'm now running sway
<__red__> it hates me, but that's to be expected ;-)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #71415 → mediawiki: 1.33.0 -> 1.33.1 → https://git.io/JeBXr
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse pushed 2 commits to release-19.09: https://git.io/JeB1y
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<infinisil> ShaRose: Probably opening an issue in nixpkgs and pinging the relevant people would be a good idea
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #71422 → chromedriver: 76.0.3809.68 -> 78.0.3904.11 → https://git.io/JeB15
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cleverca22 merged pull request #71413 → arrayfire: add → https://git.io/JeBXL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cleverca22 pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeB1d
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #71255 → tor-browser-bundle-bin: fix icons → https://git.io/Je48z
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeB1p
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed commit from @shreyanshk to release-19.09 « tor-browser-bundle-bin: fix icons »: https://git.io/JeB1h
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to release-19.09 « rl-1909: add note for blueman »: https://git.io/JeBMk
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<pie__> so how does nix run differ from nix shell
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<wedens[m]> nix run doesn't give you a shell environment like nix-shell does
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<wedens[m]> `nix run` is more like `nix-shell -p`
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @conferno opened pull request #71424 → chromium: jdk.jre -> jre8 → https://git.io/JeBMu
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<matthuszagh> hi. i'm building a python package and am getting an error that setuptools is not available. This triggers on the setup.py file. i've made setuptools a propagatedBuildInput of the derivation
<matthuszagh> also, setuptoolsBuildPhase starts since i'm seeing the mssage "Executing setuptoolsBuildPhase" and I believe setuptools is a dependency of that as well
<matthuszagh> any thoughts on why it's not finding setuptools?
<matthuszagh> happy to post code if that helps
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<arianvp> offlinehacker: heya are you around?
<arianvp> wondering if I could pick your brain about kubenix
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<offlinehacker> I saw issue you opened, sorry i am sick/burned out a bit, sorry for not responding arianvp
<offlinehacker> i'm working on kubenix 2.0, have a bit slower progress lately
<{^_^}> xtruder/kubenix#9 (by offlinehacker, 35 weeks ago, open): Kubenix refactoring
<arianvp> oh dont worry about it
<offlinehacker> arianvp: was it only about confimaps or do you have a general idea that each kubernetes resource would be a derivation?
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<offlinehacker> and then have some kind of dependency tree
<johnnywho2> Hey, new user here. I 'm running 19.09. I need to install samsung unified driver 1.00.36 for my printer (m2070) to work, but I can 't figure out how
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<arianvp> but the generation of json is currently just done with nix-instantiate right?
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<arianvp> If I would want some resources to be derivaitons, I probably need to do some hackery. not sure yet how
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<offlinehacker> arianvp: yup, i just used nix module system that defines schema and merging rules for resources
<offlinehacker> i do not see major benefit of having each resource as derivation, as you would not be able to reuse nix module system
<arianvp> you would
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<arianvp> (I think)
<offlinehacker> I'm still unsure if nix module system is best solution in last years there are better languages for that
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<arianvp> I'm gonna mess around with it a bit. and probably get stuck. but still fun
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<arianvp> (I also work on a competing solution, dhall-kubernetes :P )
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<offlinehacker> dhall didn't convinced me, i was looking into skycfg and cue lang
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<arianvp> have you looked at jsonnet too?
<offlinehacker> But it's true i'm not a haskell user
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<arianvp> dhall is still very in flux. Language is moving quickly and I think currently there's a focus on making it more ergonomic
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<arianvp> sometimes simple things, like supporting trailing commas
<arianvp> :P
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<arianvp> *looks at skycfg*
<offlinehacker> I like nix module system, but it would be nice to have that built into language
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<johnnywho2> I can 't really understand yet how a nix expression under nixpkgs corresponds to an attribute callable by configuration.conf or nix-env
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<arianvp> jsonnet comes close to that (a bit). It is very nix-module-system-ish
<arianvp> at least from my very brief look at it yesterday
<offlinehacker> edolstra had some nice ideas: https://gist.github.com/edolstra/29ce9d8ea399b703a7023073b0dbc00d
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<arianvp> yeh I'd love to see that in nix
<offlinehacker> do you know what is status with ksonnet?
<johnnywho2> For instance, version 1.00.36 is in the tree but I don 't know how to as nix to install it
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<arianvp> ksonnet is abandoned I think
<arianvp> kubecfg is the maintained thing
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<arianvp> offlinehacker: but the question I wanted to ask is. Are you running into performance issues with kubenix now? Given the modules you generate a pretty huge
<offlinehacker> The problem is at our company we use kubenix for quite complex deployment, and i'm still not sure if i want to continue to use it
<arianvp> johnnywho2: that's a great question
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<offlinehacker> well we are building more than 1000 resources in single configuration and it takes ~20s, it's not too fast, but it's also not optimized in current version
<arianvp> as you can see the top-level nix expression imports it from here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/default.nix
<offlinehacker> the issue is that generated kubernetes modules are over 1MB
<offlinehacker> and i think it needs to load this for every module
<offlinehacker> submodule*
<arianvp> offlinehacker: 20s is better than I expected.
<offlinehacker> it's not too bad, but takes some ram, i think i need 8GB to build this
<offlinehacker> to evaluate*
<offlinehacker> i was also working on https://github.com/xtruder/kubenix-modules
<offlinehacker> but i do not have time to maintain all this modules
<johnnywho2> arianvp: Thanks
<offlinehacker> i integrated helm in kubenix 2.0
<arianvp> wow that's a lot
<arianvp> nixos modules are a lot saner than helm though! I like the idea
<arianvp> but it's nice to be able to piggy-back on other people's work though
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<johnnywho2> arianvp: So I 'm trying to set services.printing.drivers = [ pkgs.samsungUnifiedLinuxDriver ] and that lands me with the default version. How do I tell it to use the version I want?
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<johnnywho2> I 'm sure it 's a stupid question tbh but I really don 't know my way around
<offlinehacker> johnnywho2: you probably want to override a package if that version is not in nixpkgs
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<arianvp> the "pkgs" attribute is a blessed set of versions that work together. for some packages we ship multiple version (e.g. pkgs.linuxPackages_4_19 and pkgs.linuxPackages_5) but usually we only have one blessed version
<arianvp> if you want an older version you should write a derivation yourself manually. which is not too hard.
<johnnywho2> The version I want is in nixpkgs
<johnnywho2> samsung-unified-linux-driver_1_00_36 = callPackage ../misc/cups/drivers/samsung/1.00.36/default.nix { };
<arianvp> oooh
<johnnywho2> so I just need to use it
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<arianvp> drivers = [ pkgs.samsung-unified-linux-driver_1_00_36 ];
<arianvp> instead of [ pkgs.samsung-unified-linux-driver ];
<arianvp> that should do th trick
<johnnywho2> Well yes, thanks
<arianvp> pro tip for exploring packages: nix repl
<johnnywho2> <3
<arianvp> open nix repl. type :l <nixpkgs> then just type part of the packagename and press <TAB>
<arianvp> very easy to see what packages are available at the top levle that way
<johnnywho2> Have been using exherbo for ages, just switched to nixos, so it 's quite a paradigm shift for me
<arianvp> what is exherbo?
<johnnywho2> Something like gentoo
<johnnywho2> but with paludis
<arianvp> nixos is also something like gentoo if you squint enouhg I suppose :P
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<arianvp> offlinehacker: are all those kubenix-modules things you use in production ?
<arianvp> for the deployment you're running for that company ?
<offlinehacker> arianvp: some of them
<offlinehacker> I would like to get all images to build using nix some day, a lot of work
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #71037 → syncthing: 1.2.2 -> 1.3.0 → https://git.io/Jel9D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh opened pull request #71434 → doc: organize chapters into parts, and reduce toc depth → https://git.io/JeByS
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<arianvp> how do you unpack a zip file in nix?
<arianvp> I have azip file containing just one file
<arianvp> but stdenv says: unpacking source archive /nix/store/g82885sm8knbr25jabbnv3a57j8cnhb5-apl385.zip
<arianvp> unpacker appears to have produced no directories
<offlinehacker> arianvp: in mkDerivation?
<offlinehacker> if you use mkDerivation you can just pass pkgs.zip in buildInputs
<arianvp> that's what I did
<offlinehacker> and should do the trick
<arianvp> I get this error
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<offlinehacker> as it seems you need to change source root
<arianvp> there are no directories in the zipfile at alll I think
<arianvp> so what would I change the sourceRoot to?
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<offlinehacker> `pwd`
<offlinehacker> maybe
<offlinehacker> Or event better: `sourceRoot = ".";`
<offlinehacker> this should work
<arianvp> yaya works
<arianvp> \o/
<offlinehacker> the same we use in many other packages, mostly having zip archives
<arianvp> hmmph worldofpeace it seems gnome terminal isn't respecting fontconfig
<arianvp> fonts I install with fonts.fonts = []; dont show up in the list
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #71391 → Exercism module no proxy → https://git.io/JeBap
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<elux> hi there
<elux> how can i start a docker container from a nix config?
<elux> ideally it would use the normal `docker` cli in some way and do health checks to ensure validity
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<wedens[m]> check `docker-containers`
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<MmeQuignon> Hi, I try to install xephyr, but I can't find the package. Anyone knows the package I should install ? Thank you !
<gchristensen> xorg.xorgserver , the executable is Xephyr (capital X)
<MmeQuignon> thank you !
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @flokli merged pull request #71319 → Revert "nixos/gitlab: properly clear out initializers" → https://git.io/JeBv0
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<elux> wedens[m]: check `docker-containers`, where?
<dhess> How does NixOS handle setuid? Is there some kind of standard wrapper system?
<gchristensen> at activation time, we compile a setuid executable for each
<dhess> oh wow, that's crazy.
<gchristensen> since Nix can't store setuid binaries, it is required :) https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-19.09/nixos/modules/security/wrappers/default.nix
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<jtojnar> ,locate libmount.so.1 libffi.so.6
<{^_^}> Found in packages: libuuid, utillinux
<infinisil> gchristensen: Doesn't it just compile a generic setuid wrapper once?
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<dhess> I guess I mean the compilation bit is crazy.
<gchristensen> oh yes you're right, infinisil
<gchristensen> dhess: the alternatives are scary :)
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<rajivr___> Is there a way to get nixpkgs version from nixpkgs attrset?
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<wedens[m]> elux: nixpkgs/nixos/modules/virtualisation/docker-containers.nix
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<jD91mZM2> I've been thinking a bit about the rust situation nix has. Would it be crazy to create a daemon running as a separate user that handles rust build requests that different nix derivations send? Some sense of purity would be lost, but I don't know if I can care anymore.
<edef> i think we can do a lot cleaner of a cargo setup quite easily
<edef> without bringing in additional magic
<edef> but otoh i'm not going to speculate too heavily when i have no impl to show for it
<elux> wedens[m]: this looks cool, but its not quite enough. still need to be able to run other docker cli commands like to create a network
<jD91mZM2> Another easy solution would be to just throw money at the problem in hope that it goes away: By having large hydra servers that take various rust programs and compile them without cache (for purity) and then creates binary caches for all the things
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<jD91mZM2> edef: What exactly are you thinking? Carnix and crate2nix are both great projects but I feel like they almost never work
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<edef> i think cargo probably needs to integrate more closely in the expression generation
<tilpner> jD91mZM2: crate2nix worked great for the last three (small-ish) projects I it with
<tilpner> *I used it with
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<qyliss> Shell did some cool stuff with Carnix to make it work better
<rajivr___> Found it! `(import <nixpkgs> {}).lib.version` seems to have it.
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<qyliss> I don't know if she made it public
<wedens[m]> elux: make your own systemd service then
<elux> ok cool. thx for the advice. ill look into that
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<jD91mZM2> tilpner: Latest problem I've had is about getrandom from https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/68409
<{^_^}> #68409 (by andir, 5 weeks ago, merged): [19.03] buildRustCrate: add support for renaming crates
<jD91mZM2> I mean I generally just feel like there should be a way not to throw out cargo but instead work along with it
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<tilpner> crate2nix is working alongside with it
<tilpner> Just at generation time, instead of build time
<tilpner> It's by no means perfect, but it's fun when it works, and that's been getting better lately
<jD91mZM2> Yeah, maybe you're right...
<jD91mZM2> But if you could speculate freely, imagine you had full control over both cargo and nix, what would be the optimal mix?
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<tilpner> Ehh, you shouldn't give me full control over either of them
<tilpner> I would delete the parts of cargo that builds stuff
<tilpner> Everyone uses Nix, so everything's compatible with it
<tilpner> And now 99% of the Rust community is unhappy
<jD91mZM2> No, see, that's interesting. I don't know what I expected, but it wasn't that
<tilpner> (Seriously, I'm not familiar with the differences in information cargo provides and Nix needs. Ask the authors of carnix/crate2nix/buildRustCrate)
<tilpner> It's a shame carnix insisted on pijul (though I understand the reason)
<jD91mZM2> I don't understand the reason, what was it?
<tilpner> They build pijul and nest, and dogfooding validates their own software
<tilpner> Now you could make a point that it would be pragmatic to just use git for this one repo
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<tilpner> But if you're just going for pragmatic, there's no point in even building pijul, or any innovation over git ever
<tilpner> Though this means a "I'll just fix this in carnix" can end up failing "How do I build a recent enough pijul to even start warking on carnix?"
<tilpner> (Because at one point nest didn't keep backwards compatibility to the pijul which was in nixpkgs)
<jD91mZM2> Oh, they've fixed that now? Nice
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<tilpner> I haven't kept up with it, I never ended up fixing whatever problem I had in carnix :c
<jD91mZM2> Oh :(
<edef> last time i tried pijul it ate my data
<jD91mZM2> edef: "Data" as in the changes you made to the repository?
<edef> and that's the kind of thing a {version control,file,archival} system can only do once
<Yaniel> I should try packaging my rust cli tool to get familiar with those nix wrappers
<edef> jD91mZM2: it wedged my repo in a way where the only way i could really recover was to just check out the versions carefully and commit them to git
<jD91mZM2> Oh, darn
<edef> i couldn't pull or push, etc
<edef> it's the kind of thing you can only really do once before people recount the story for decades to come, i think
<jD91mZM2> I mean it is beta software, I assume, but I guess that's another reason not to use it as the primary source until it's 100% stable
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<edef> jD91mZM2: yeah
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<jD91mZM2> How do you read the stuff in nixpkgs/docs?
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<gchristensen> https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/ usually
<jD91mZM2> Ah, thanks!
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<edef> i build it as part of my system and have file:///run/current-system/sw/share/doc/nixpkgs/manual.html bookmarked
<edef> unfortunately walking lib.* causes all the deprecation warnings to get logged
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #71440 → bitcoin-abc: 0.20.2 -> 0.20.3 → https://git.io/JeBQs
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh opened pull request #71441 → Python: add package set for graalpython 3.7 → https://git.io/JeBQ0
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #71443 → ammonite: 1.7.1 -> 1.7.4 → https://git.io/JeBQ1
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<wormwood> greetings all, anyone here using pulumi and have it working?
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<oldandwise> why is 'nix-store -q --references `which hello`
<oldandwise> includes 'hello' , whereas for hexedit it does not..
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<sphalerite> oldandwise: because the path for hello contains a reference to itself, while apparently hexedit doesn't
<sphalerite> oldandwise: compare `nix why-depends nixpkgs.hello nixpkgs.hello` and `nix why-depends nixpkgs.hexedit nixpkgs.hexedit`
<sphalerite> the output of the latter is a bit weird, but hey
<wormwood> when I install a binary blob in $HOME/.bin/ and put that path in env PATH. It says not found, any ideas on why that is?
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<wormwood> the exact error is: no such file or directory: ./pulumi
<wormwood> even when I run it directly from the directory, it says its not found
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<AmandaC> wormwood: it can't find a dynamic library it needs. NixOS doesn't store the libraries in the same place that normal OSes do
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<wormwood> AmandaC: thank you, I'm reading through https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Packaging/Binaries at the moment
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<jD91mZM2> So I just updated to NixOS version 19.09 and now some of my fonts seem wonky. Emacs, which should use Hack, now has much smaller text. Polybar, which uses fontawesome, now does not have any icons
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @turboMaCk opened pull request #71444 → haskellPackages.language-ats: dontCheck → https://git.io/JeB75
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu opened pull request #71445 → lidarr: Add missing dependency chromaprint → https://git.io/JeB7d
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<wedens[m]> jD91mZM2: in 19.09 penultimate is disabled by default. If you want previous behaviour, you can try to enable it explicitly
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<jD91mZM2> wedens[m]: Ooh, thanks! Is that what the fonts.enableDefaultFonts option does?
<wedens[m]> jD91mZM2: no. `fonts.fontconfig.penultimate.enable`
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<wedens[m]> `enableDefaultFonts` just installs some fonts
<jD91mZM2> Do you happen to know why this change was done?
<wedens[m]> it introduces problems with some fonts, especially emojis (see https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/67529 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/67667)
<{^_^}> #67529 (by worldofpeace, 7 weeks ago, merged): nixos/fontconfig-penultimate: disable by default
<{^_^}> #67667 (by jtojnar, 7 weeks ago, merged): nixos/fontconfig: Allow setting default emoji font
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<rnhmjoj> jD91mZM2: i've found something similar with my bitmap font: in some qt application the font is huge, much larger than the reported pixel size
<W1lkins> How do I install a golang package that's not part of nixpkgs during setup? do I need to use pkgs.fetchFromGitHub and do it manually or is there an easier way?
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<rnhmjoj> i'll try enabling penultimate
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<oldandwise> how do I do this. I have 'b.nix' with content 'rec {q = 123;f = p: p + q}'. In 'nix repl', I did 'a = import ./b.nix'. I want to call the lambda, but with a new value of q. So I need to inherit the lambda, call it and it must use a new value of q.
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<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: Did you have a question?
<oldandwise> alexarice[m]: how to inherit 'f' , call it with a new value of q
<wedens[m]> rnhmjoj: I've noticed that qt apps handle fonts differently, so it can be one of fontconfig+qt bugs/quirks
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<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: you want to change q from the repl?
<oldandwise> alexarice[m]: the lambda 'f' refers to 'q'. I cannot change 'q' that is immutable. Is there a way to inherit the lambda 'f', such that when i call it, it will pick-up a new value of 'q' from the derive class
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<rnhmjoj> wedens: maybe, but there is definitely something else: it also affect xterm fonts. it could really be penultimate
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<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: Check out `lib.makeExtensible`. It's found in `fixed-points.nix`
<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: `lib.makeExtensible (self: {q = 123;f=p: p + q;})`
<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: hold on
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<oldandwise> alexarice[m]: i'm not trying to work on a package.. i'm learning the very basics
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Gabriel439 opened pull request #71448 → Fix description for services.kubernetes.addonManager.enable → https://git.io/JeB5Q
<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: `nix-repl> let set = lib.makeExtensible (self: {q = 123;f=p: p + self.q;}); in (set.extend (self: super: {q = 10;})).f 10`
<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: I think what you are trying to do is not that basic
<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: I'm not sure how you can do it with just rec sets
<oldandwise> error: undefined variable 'lib' at (string):1:11
<alexarice[m]> try `:l <nixpkgs>`
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<oldandwise> alexarice[m]: thanks.. will continue learnings from here.
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<oldandwise> alexarice[m]: one last question for the day, what is this 'inherit (nixpkgs) pkgs;' by the way?
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<alexarice[m]> oldandwise: that is syntactic sugar for `pkgs = nixpkgs.pkgs;`
<oldandwise> damn... yeah,...tsk tsk...
* oldandwise such a scary sounding keyword there...
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #71449 → anydesk: add pulseaudio to buildInputs → https://git.io/JeBdL
<jD91mZM2> Update: Enabling penultimate did not fix my issues
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<jD91mZM2> So it must be something in polybar, I think, I'm getting " (U+f120)" and it works fine in my terminal
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<jD91mZM2> Update: Icons are back if I change "Font Awesome:size=12" to "Font Awesome 5 Free Solid:size=12"
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #71418 → bazelisk: 1.0 -> 1.1.0 → https://git.io/JeB1W
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #71450 → zabbix: init at 4.4.0 → https://git.io/JeBdr
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<jD91mZM2> Upudate 2: My emacs font looks a lot more like my terminal font (hack) now. Maybe it was actually using the incorrect font before this update, I know I was actually wondering that myself a while ago and decided to trust my system more than my eye
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #71452 → mbedtls: add patch for CVE-2019-16910 → https://git.io/JeBdd
<ris> #71452
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/71452 (by risicle, 27 seconds ago, open): mbedtls: add patch for CVE-2019-16910
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<jD91mZM2> Can you ask `nix build` to print out the whole log like `nix-build` does?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #64019 → facter: 3.13.2 -> 3.14.5 → https://git.io/fjKn3
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #71403 → chit: 0.1.14 -> 0.1.15 → https://git.io/JeB6J
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<softinio> hi setup nix + nix-darwin trying to migrate my neovim dotfiles to it this is what I have for configuration: https://gist.github.com/softinio/0f565df1012a8b3048c675675d80a203
<softinio> neovim works but as if no plugins or configuration given
<softinio> new at this so any tips appreciated on what I am doing wrong
<softinio> thanks
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<SaboteurCZ> Hi, I'm trying to create new package for https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/squeekboard
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<SaboteurCZ> It uses meson but rust and cargo inside
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #69614 → libabw: 0.1.2 -> 0.1.3 → https://git.io/JeGbW
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<SaboteurCZ> nix-shell genericBuild compiles well, but nixos-rebuild ends with failed to fetch `https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io-index`
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<SaboteurCZ> spurious network error (1 tries remaining): [6] Couldn't resolve host name
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dingxiangfei2009 opened pull request #71457 → Switch to linux-x86 and linux-x86_64 targets → https://git.io/JeBFo
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #71458 → pythonPackages.pybids: 0.9.2 -> 0.9.4 → https://git.io/JeBFK
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<chris___> I'm running into an issue where it looks like my /etc/hosts entries are being ignored. Has anyone run into this before perhaps?
<inkbottle> What is nix syntax inspired from? Like ';' in let-expr, or ':' for lambda's.
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<Matthieu_> Hi, I'm trying to run a python script that uses an external lib (libgobject-2.0.so.0) that is installed by the package «glib» but the script still can't see it. I thought nix would make those libs available. Fyi, the «glib» package is installed via "buildInputs". I'm not very familiar with this. Am I doing something wrong ?
<Matthieu_> there is the default.nix
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<Matthieu_> chris__ never. How did you determined this ?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danieldk opened pull request #71460 → softmaker-office: fix product unlock error → https://git.io/JeBbk
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<jD91mZM2> SaboteurCZ: If it's using cargo inside, I think you'll need to try to nix-ify that part separately
<jD91mZM2> Network access during builds is disallowed so that's why it's failing
<SaboteurCZ> I saw some info about that
<smw_> Hi all. I am a relative noob to nixos. Can anyone point me to documentation for two things: 1. how can I see the final output of a small part of a nixos config. For example, I want to see the final config after all overrides and settings of “systemd.services.transmission”. 2. How can I see a diff of all configs after I make a change to my configuration.nix?
<smw_> I have a small understanding of nix at this point. The problem is that working with such a large nix code base is very daunting. Especially when I don’t really understand all the syntax. Too much of the system is a black box which is slowing me down greatly :-\
<jD91mZM2> Matthieu_: How are you compiling this?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #71438 → Python: setuptools/wheel/pip now bootstrap from source → https://git.io/JeBHh
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh pushed to staging « Python: setuptools/wheel/pip now bootstrap from source »: https://git.io/JeBbl
<jD91mZM2> smw_: For #1, nixos-option may be of use :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #71431 → python2: 2.7.16 -> 2.7.17 → https://git.io/JeByZ
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<SaboteurCZ> That package should also fetch something from network, but it doesn't :)
<SaboteurCZ> The only thing is, that I don't know why :)
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<jD91mZM2> SaboteurCZ: Oh, interesting. The latter seems to be using cargo vendor though, which may be executed in a phase where downloading *is* allowed. Not sure.
<jD91mZM2> smw_: For #2, you can see a diff of your configs by checking them into git. Or am I misunderstanding?
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<Matthieu_> jD91mZM2: I use nix-shell
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<Matthieu_> (i'm not sure I've understood your question, actually)
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<Matthieu_> I just need an env with those packages.
<SaboteurCZ> jD91mZM2 gnome-podcasts build explicitly says, that cargo-vendor is not available
<Matthieu_> I would like to run this https://github.com/qtile/qtile
<SaboteurCZ> jD91mZM2 but gnome-podcasts uses gnome3 as dependency ..... do you think this can maintain cargo deps for it?
<smw_> jD91mZM2: I want a diff of the final “config” after everything runs.
<Matthieu_> In a nix shell, if I run pytest in the repo, I get this error : https://0bin.net/paste/JjBlsbKmaQ0YCW26#Dg480M8iHkhkx3bS4zxCgEsqA5mLG-9CSge52YXkQ2h
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: Oh, that's an interesting idea. Not sure how to do that sadly
<FRidh> Matthieu_: references in python code no native libraries need to be patched so they point to an absolute store path
<smw_> jD91mZM2: that would help significantly with understandability of very large nix code bases… which is the only type that exists :-P
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<jD91mZM2> SaboteurCZ: That's curious. Sadly I don't actually know anything about meson so I can't really deduce what's going on
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<FRidh> Matthieu_: git grep for stdenv.hostPlatform.extensions.sharedLibrary in pkgs/development/python-modules for examples
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<SaboteurCZ> jD91mZM2 Ok, thank You. Will try to remove that gnome3 depenedency from build and see what happens
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: jD91mZM2 nixos-option as far as I can tell only tells you which files define settings
<smw_> jD91mZM2: I am looking for the “final rendered settings”.
<Matthieu_> FRidh: thx
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: I seem to have borked my system now and can't try, but I thought it also gave you the current value?
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: nixos-option systemd.services gave a “default” which was empty as well as lists of nix files which declare or define it.
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: Oh, my bad
<smw_> my goal is to build my in-mind nix compiler by seeing the output of the real nix compiler ;-)
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<smw_> right now I feel blind. I make a change and it works or it doesn’t. I can’t inspect what happened. I think this is why I gave up on nixos last time I tried it :-\
<jD91mZM2> smw_: What I think you can do is play around in the repl
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: Not entirely sure how but I think you should be able to access your config from there
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<gchristensen> anyone want to chat with andyc, the Oil Shell developer about Nix? https://lobste.rs/s/i2zqxp/attempting_use_gnu_guix#c_zk4dal
<smw_> jD91mZM2: that would be useful!
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: maybe I can then jerryrig a diff system
<phyfey[m]> also try using nixos-rebuild test in the future if your not already
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: So, while I'm unable to find a variable inside nixpkgs that point to your user configuration, the user configuration itself gets a `config` variable passed to it... that points to itself. So together with builtins.trace you can hackily print out the things you want
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: I am focused on system config right now
<smw_> jD91mZM2: I am trying to setup a server at the moment
<jD91mZM2> Sorry, I meant system* config
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<jD91mZM2> You know that `{ pkgs, config, ...}` line? Yeah the `config` param passed actually refers to the system config itself. Lazy evaluation is cool and weird
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<smw_> I see
<smw_> so what I want to the output of config after evaluation
<jD91mZM2> I'm thinking something like `boot.loader = builtins.trace config.boot.loader { ... };` and then `nixos-rebuild test`. It's not pretty, but it might work
<clever> jD91mZM2: thats going to cause infinite recursion
<clever> try `nix repl '<nixpkgs/nixos>'` and then `config.boot.loader`
<jD91mZM2> clever: Oh, yeah, good point
<jD91mZM2> Nice, thanks, that's what I was searching for before
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: nix-shell is telling me /etc/nixos/default.nix doesn’t exist XD
<jD91mZM2> smw_: What are you running?
<smw_> oh, nm, the command is nix repl
<smw_> clever: awesome! any pretty printing though? :-)
<clever> smw_: you can also just give it a more specific attr, and use tab completion
<jD91mZM2> smw_: There is builtins.toJSON, but that won't work when something errors
<smw_> jD91mZM2: that isn’t a problem. tojson sounds good
<jD91mZM2> It still won't be pretty but it will be formattable
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<smw_> jD91mZM2: yep!
<gchristensen> elvishjerricco: was your system booting EFI before?
<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: Yea but with grub and that efiInstallAsRemovable thing
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<jD91mZM2> smw_: You can automate it using nix-instantiate --eval --strict --json -E '(import <nixpkgs/nixos> {}).config.boot.loader.efi'
<smw_> clever, jD91mZM2: this is exactly what I was looking for my first question. Would still like better diffing capabilities though. Then I could change one value at a time and see how it interacts with the rest of the system.
<clever> smw_: for diffing, you want nix-diff
<smw_> clever: alright, I will look at that next
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# nix-store -q --deriver /run/current-system
<clever> that shows the .drv for whatever you currently run
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# nix-instantiate '<nixpkgs/nixos>' -A system
<clever> and that, the drv for the current config (what you will have, if you nixos-rebuild switch)
<clever> then just apply nix-diff and some $(...)
<jD91mZM2> Woah
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<smw_> awesome. This needs to be documented somewhere
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<Rusty1> bit rainy here now
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<SaboteurCZ> jD91mZM2 ok, so the magic with gnome-podcasts revealed
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<SaboteurCZ> It really uses a "vendor" directory with sources for dependencies and sets the replacement in cargo config
<SaboteurCZ> Will try a different package as template :)
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<ericdallo> Hello, I don't know if here is the right channel for asking this, but someone can review this PR? I want it on master for a while: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/70885
<{^_^}> #70885 (by ericdallo, 1 week ago, open): srt-vtt: init at 2019-01-03
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<evils> ericdallo: i can't help you get stuff merged, but you changed repo to pname, and then appended -unstable to pname, there is no such repo
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<etu> ericdallo: the unstable part is usually added to the version, ie "unstable-<date>"
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ekleog opened pull request #71464 → gir-rs: init at 2019-10-16 → https://git.io/JeBAB
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<growpotk-> Hey has anybody else experienced issues with browser location services? For my machines lately Brave is the only browser that can correctly access my location. Both Firefox and Chrome always fail to though.
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<elux> in my nix config, ive created a user but when i try to sudo as that user i get the error: sudo: /run/current-system/sw/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set -- what gives?
<samueldr> looks like it doesn't pick up sudo from `/run/wrappers/bin`
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<elux> yea how come not? how do i make my configuration use /run/wrappers for bins
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<Matthieu_> elux : is your user in the wheel group ?
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<clever> elux: do you have a .bashrc or something else, that is messing with $PATH?
<clever> elux: does the new user have isNormalUser = true; set on it?
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<elux> clever: yes it does
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<elux> looks like https://gist.github.com/pkieltyka/73ee8c86482cd05c96d4c98dcf0e5719 -- isNormalUser = true; and sets extra groups of "wheel" and "sudoers"
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<kandinski> I use a service which doesn't cope well with IPv6, so I have configured avahi to be exclusively IPv4. This is the default, but I have forced it in my configuration.nix, to no avail. Do you have any suggestion?
<kandinski> ah, I have flushed the caches with avahi-daemon --kill on both the publishing and resolving machines I'm using for this experiment.
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<clever> elux: how are you switching to that user?
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<m3thos> hey, I can't find on the documentation how to remove a broken profile.. I just did a nixos-rebuild switch .. and then it wasn't good.. so I did a nixox-rebuild switch --rollback
<m3thos> how do I purge the bad profile ? (I know its number, if that matters)
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<worldofpeace> arianvp: I believe the font things have to be configured with gsettings
<pbb> what does this mean: "Detected unsafe path transition /var/lib/deluge -> / during canonicalization of /var/lib/deluge."
<pbb> /var/lib/deluge is a symlink to /mnt/data/deluge
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<m3thos> any clues on how to purge bad system profiles ?