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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #70809 → wesnoth: 1.14.7 -> 1.14.9 → https://git.io/JeWE4
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #70760 → redis: 5.0.5 -> 5.0.6 → https://git.io/JeWWv
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/JeWuJ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #70811 → waylandpp: 0.2.5 -> 0.2.6 → https://git.io/JeWuk
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #70812 → wxSVG: 1.5.20 -> 1.5.21 → https://git.io/JeWuY
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dylex opened pull request #70813 → r-systemfonts: fix package dependencies → https://git.io/JeWun
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin pushed 10 commits to release-19.09: https://git.io/JeWuc
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dylex opened pull request #70814 → xscreensaver: update hash to match source → https://git.io/JeWul
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #70815 → libyamlcpp: 0.6.2 -> 0.6.3 → https://git.io/JeWu2
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<{^_^}> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/a795e561f76 (from 2 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #70816 → yarn: 1.17.3 -> 1.19.0 → https://git.io/JeWu5
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Enzime opened pull request #70817 → firmware-linux-nonfree: 2019-08-15 -> 2019-09-23 → https://git.io/JeWud
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70818 → perlPackages.CLASS: init at 1.00 → https://git.io/JeWzv
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70819 → perlPackages.ConvertBase32: init at 0.06 → https://git.io/JeWzU
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70820 → perlPackages.DBIxClassDynamicDefault: init at 0.04 → https://git.io/JeWzk
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70821 → perlPackages.DBIxClassInflateColumnSerializer: init at 0.09 → https://git.io/JeWzI
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70822 → perlPackages.MojoJWT: init at 0.08 → https://git.io/JeWzt
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<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3128 → Don't symlink org.nixos.nix-daemon.plist in installer → https://git.io/JeWzq
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70823 → perlPackages.DataMessagePack: init at 1.00 → https://git.io/JeWzY
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stigtsp opened pull request #70824 → perlPackages.AuthenOATH: init at 2.0.1 → https://git.io/JeWzs
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Enzime opened pull request #70826 → WoeUSB: Remove writeback buffering workaround → https://git.io/JeWzn
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<buckley310> has anyone got navi 10 GPUs working? I'm currently tracking unstable, and added the `mesa: 19.1.5 -> 19.2.0` patch
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<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3129 → Don’t use stat --printf in nix-profile.sh → https://git.io/JeWzR
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #70827 → heroku: 7.27.1 -> 7.33.1 → https://git.io/JeWzu
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<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3130 → Set nixpkgs= in nix-profile.sh → https://git.io/JeWzV
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<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3131 → Don’t source bashrc in pure mode → https://git.io/JeWzd
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<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-19.09-darwin advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/25757b66e18 (from 3 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-19.09-darwin)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hedning opened pull request #70828 → Gnome Shell 3.34.1 → https://git.io/JeWgL
<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3132 → Handle empty sandbox_shell → https://git.io/JeWgG
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<pie__> ajs124: so how much disk to buiild an android...
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hedning merged pull request #70828 → Gnome Shell 3.34.1 → https://git.io/JeWgL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hedning pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWgi
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<samueldr> my guess is "about all of it"
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<kandinski> srk: are you still looking to build sc3-plugins for supercollider?
<kandinski> I'm trying to figure it out too. I found this recipe https://gist.github.com/gosub/a42e265ec38d9df203d6 but it fails with this error: http://paste.debian.net/1105482/
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<elvishjerricco> Anyone else use lightdm and xfce? What screen locker do you use / how do you set it up?
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<buckley310> when i have to choose a screen locker, i usually use i3lock. Its rudimentary, but simple and consistent.
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<elvishjerricco> buckley310: How do you configure it on NixOS? And do you use lightdm?
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<NoctisLabs> Is the next release coming soon?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sigma opened pull request #70830 → scc: init at 2.8.0 → https://git.io/JeW2Z
<elvishjerricco> I really wish I could just use physlock, but physlock doesn't turn off the display. (Neither does i3lock, it seems)
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<wedens> I just add `xset dpms force off` to my lockscreen script (uses i3lock internally)
<elvishjerricco> wedens: Ahh that does the trick.
<elvishjerricco> Now to figure out how to get xfce's ctrl+alt+L to trigger this...
<samueldr> you could replace xflock4 in your PATH, or through an overlay
<samueldr> it used to work when I was using xfce
<buckley310> ah yeah, i3lock doesnt do any power stuff :\
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<buckley310> the last time i rolled my own screen locker, i built it into a script that set DPMS to 10 seconds. that way it kind of screen-offs quickly when its locked. kind of like windows or gnome
<wedens> elvishjerricco: appearently you can do `xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -p /general/LockCommand -s "custom-locker-command" --create -t string` (I don't use xfce, just found it on github)
<elvishjerricco> wedens: That's exactly the conclusion I came to :) Gonna just add that to my displayManager.sessionCommands
<wedens> buckley310: yeah. I do the same thing and also save/restore previous dpms settings
<buckley310> WOOOO, i got my 5700XT running on nixos under wayland :D
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<elvishjerricco> Aw, `xset dpms force off` doesn't work with physlock
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<soareschen> I have managed to setup Hydra to build my project. But when I try to use nix-serve on Hydra to serve the builds as binary cache, I realized the builds stay on the slave machines and never get copied back to the master node. Only the intermediate build steps get synced back to the master node. How can I make Hydra save everything back to master node
<soareschen> so that I can cache them?
<wedens> elvishjerricco: try specifying DISPLAY manually 🤷
<elvishjerricco> wedens: I can't even get `xset dpms force off` to work with i3lock
<wedens> does it fail or just does nothing?
<elvishjerricco> When the screen is supposed to lock, the display goes dark for a couple seconds, then comes back up without a lock
<wedens> some programs may block dpms (media players, etc)
<elvishjerricco> I have no such programs open
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<wedens> does `xset dpms force off` work by itself?
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<elvishjerricco> wedens: Yes
<wedens> ah. I remember this problem
<wedens> add `sleep 2` before xset
<elvishjerricco> as does i3lock
<elvishjerricco> oh
<wedens> it registers key release and turns on display. or something like that
<elvishjerricco> oh wait a sec. I think my xfce part wasn't right... ugh
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @noneucat opened pull request #70831 → leo-editor: 5.7.3 -> 6.0, add Qt wrapping → https://git.io/JeW2M
<wedens> how can I have additional entries in systemd-boot menu? for instance, I'd like to have an entry with different kernel params
<elvishjerricco> wedens: I know `nesting.clones` gives you extra grub entries, but not systemd-boot entries
<elvishjerricco> least I don't think so...
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @7c6f434c merged pull request #70814 → xscreensaver: update hash to match source → https://git.io/JeWul
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @7c6f434c pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeW2D
<elvishjerricco> wedens: This is the PR that added it for grub: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/45345
<{^_^}> #45345 (by vmandela, 1 year ago, merged): nixos/install-grub: include child configs in grub menu
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<wedens> elvishjerricco: yeah, doesn't seem like systemd-boot supports it. thanks for the pointer
<wedens> btw, is refind support still missing?
<elvishjerricco> wedens: Seems like it. Don't see any mention of it in `man configuration.nix`
<elvishjerricco> Grub works fine with EFI though
<wedens> can I just change nixos config to disable systemd-boot and enable grub? or do I need to do something manually?
<elvishjerricco> Yea I think there's a couple options you'll need to set to do it with EFI
<elvishjerricco> boot.loader.grub.enable
<elvishjerricco> boot.loader.grub.efiSupport
<elvishjerricco> boot.loader.grub.devices = ["nodev"];
<elvishjerricco> I think that's it
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<wedens> ok. thanks
<elvishjerricco> wedens: But peruse `man configuration.nix` for `boot.loader.grub`
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<hyper_ch2> eyJhb: ah, evdi should work on kernel 5.2... I used latest which is 5.3.x... so I try with 5.2 now
<hyper_ch2> rebuilding works... now waiting until I get back home again
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @offlinehacker merged pull request #70816 → yarn: 1.17.3 -> 1.19.0 → https://git.io/JeWu5
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @offlinehacker pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWav
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl pushed commit from @maggesi to master « hol_light: 2019-03-27 -> 2019-10-06 »: https://git.io/JeWaJ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl closed pull request #70789 → hol_light: 2019-03-27 -> 2019-10-06 → https://git.io/JeWB2
<elvishjerricco> Well crap, the i3lock thing didn't work at all
<elvishjerricco> It worked for the key combo, but not for waiting 10min
<wedens> you can ditch xfce lockscreen management entirely and use xautolock
<elvishjerricco> But the key combo comes from xfce
<wedens> can you override it to execute arbitrary command?
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<srhb> worldofpeace: Any idea why #70025 went direct to release-19.09 without going through master?
<elvishjerricco> Yea, but I thought it was xfce that handled the 10min display sleeping
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/70025 (by ttuegel, 1 week ago, merged): More closure size improvements for NixOS 19.09
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @srhb opened pull request #70832 → 19.09: Fixup kea for unique 19.09 mariadb changes → https://git.io/JeWac
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mdorman closed pull request #68003 → gnucash: fix build issue with newer CMake → https://git.io/fjppr
<hyper_ch2> eyJhb: I just adjusted the evdi package to point to the latest commit on github and built it with latest kernel. I did not get any warning or something - so rebuild on nixos was fine, but I need to test if it actually works :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mdorman opened pull request #70833 → termonad: fix pcre dependency → https://git.io/JeWa0
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat pushed to master « go: apply upstream patch »: https://git.io/JeWaw
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @lheckemann merged pull request #70832 → 19.09: Fixup kea for unique 19.09 mariadb changes → https://git.io/JeWac
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @lheckemann pushed 2 commits to release-19.09: https://git.io/JeWa1
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat pushed to release-19.09 « go: apply upstream patch »: https://git.io/JeWaM
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jojosch opened pull request #70834 → mycli: 1.19.0 -> 1.20.1 → https://git.io/JeWa9
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dywedir pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWaQ
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<xwvvvvwx> Does anyone know if there is an easy way to set an environment variable in a nix-shell to be the result of a call to `pass`? Or do I need to use the nix-plugins approach from this article: https://elvishjerricco.github.io/2018/06/24/secure-declarative-key-management.html
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<elvishjerricco> xwvvvvwx: I wouldn't recommend the approach in that article for that purpose
<elvishjerricco> That will put the secret in the nix store persistently
<elvishjerricco> What are you actually trying to do?
<xwvvvvwx> I want to have my HCLOUD_TOKEN environment variable populated with the result of `pass show hcloud_token` when I enter my nix-shell
<elvishjerricco> xwvvvvwx: Better off using `shellHook`
<xwvvvvwx> perfect!
<xwvvvvwx> thanks :) :) :)
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<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #3131 → Don’t source bashrc in pure mode → https://git.io/JeWzd
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWah
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa merged pull request #70773 → rdma-core: 25.0 -> 26.0 → https://git.io/JeWlg
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWVJ
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu merged pull request #70777 → gitea: 1.9.3 -> 1.9.4 → https://git.io/JeW8C
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWVY
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #3128 → Don't symlink org.nixos.nix-daemon.plist in installer → https://git.io/JeWzq
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWVs
<elvishjerricco> Alright, figured out my screen locking issues. `programs.xss-lock` is a bad NixOS option, because the `xss-lock` runs in a systemd user unit instead of the session, so it can't respond to logind's lock event.
<elvishjerricco> So now I have something that properly responds to dpms, and to loginctl
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu merged pull request #70756 → python37Packages.voluptuous-serialize: 2.2.0 -> 2.3.0 → https://git.io/JeWcz
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWVC
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<elvishjerricco> Where does the stderr / stdout of `displayManager.sessionCommands` go?
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<clever> elvishjerricco: `journalctl -f -u display-manager.service` i think
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<elvishjerricco> clever: Doesn't look like it. I put `echo foo` in there, rebuilt / restarted display-manager, and do not see that in journalctl -u display-manager.service
<clever> elvishjerricco: *looks*
<clever> elvishjerricco: what about ~/.xsession-errors
<elvishjerricco> Not there either
<clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever users 9.7K Aug 5 2016 .xsession-errors
<clever> na, that looks dead
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dguibert opened pull request #70836 → inxi: enable json output → https://git.io/JeWVi
<clever> elvishjerricco: logToJournal defaults to true, and i think you read it with `journalctl -t xsession` ?
<elvishjerricco> clever: No `foo` there either
<clever> elvishjerricco: try turning on the log-to-file flag i linked?
<{^_^}> [nix] @callahad opened pull request #3133 → Make nix-daemon.plist less fragile on macOS → https://git.io/JeWV9
<elvishjerricco> clever: Oh, whoops, it was in the journal, I just missed it. logToFile also works
<elvishjerricco> ty
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @liamdiprose opened pull request #70837 → pythonPackages.ciso8601: init at 2.1.1 → https://git.io/JeWVj
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<srk> kandinski: that means the downloaded source doesn't match the hash - you can try to update src with the output of nix-prefetch-git https://github.com/supercollider/sc3-plugins
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @liamdiprose opened pull request #70840 → python3Packages.aioinflux: init at 0.9.0 → https://git.io/JeWw8
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<bahamas> anyone using nix with python and pycharm. how do you make pycharm see the dependencies of your project that you installed with nix?
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<kandinski> srk: yeah, I guess the problem is the `fetchSubmodules = True;`, which makes it impossible for the source hash to stay constant even if we reference it by commit hash.
<ajs124> pie__: it probably fetches 30-50G "sources" and the build directory grows about that much. I recommend using a filesystem that supports reflink copies and a patched version of coreutils.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti merged pull request #70515 → gfortran: use version 8 by default to match our C and C++ compiler → https://git.io/JeCB0
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<teto> bahamas: I run pycharm in a nix-shell with the dependencies
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<teto> I mean that's what I do with neovim but maybe pychamr introdcues other issues
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<bahamas> teto: how do you do that?
<bahamas> teto: I think my problem is that PyCharm looks for dependencies in a certain place. and nix installs python packages in a non-standard place?
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<teto> bahamas: like I run $ nix-shell -A <PROJECT> then I start nvim. Maybe with pycharm you need to tweak the PYTHONPATH ?
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<CMCDragonkai> I'm trying to run this
<CMCDragonkai> nix-build -A netboot nixos/release.nix
<CMCDragonkai> But i get an error
<CMCDragonkai> error: a 'aarch64-linux' with features {} is required to build '/nix/store/2jmvlbsnnk27cbf327jnbm6l83fy6pgi-append-initrd-secrets.drv', but I am a 'x86_64-linux' with features {benchmark, big-parallel, kvm, nixos-test}
<CMCDragonkai> This isn't mentioned in the nixpkgs manual
<CMCDragonkai> how do I disable trying to build arm achitecture?
<bahamas> teto: I see. yeah, that won't work for me. because I do the development in a VM, so PyCharm connects to that VM.
<bahamas> I need to find out exactly how PyCharm looks for packages
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut opened pull request #70842 → jormungandr: 0.5.5 -> 0.5.6 → https://git.io/JeWrR
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @B4dM4n opened pull request #70843 → nixos/systemd: fix broken tmpfiles.d symlinks → https://git.io/JeWrw
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<srhb> CMCDragonkai: --arg supportedSystems '["x86_64-linux"'
<srhb> CMCDragonkai: ... without the syntax error
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @andir merged pull request #70843 → nixos/systemd: fix broken tmpfiles.d symlinks → https://git.io/JeWrw
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<__monty__> I'm still trying and failing to get 32bit taskell to build on a remote 64bit builder. Why is happy complaining about the "haskell" feature? (I introduced that feature to force haskell builds to the remote host because the local machine is underpowered.)
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<eyJhb> hyper_ch2: so.. 10 hours? :p
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<srk> kandinski: looks like there are only two of them tho https://github.com/supercollider/sc3-plugins/blob/master/.gitmodules
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<kandinski> srk: I'll give it a try later. What TZ are you on? I'm in Melbourne, UTC + 10 + 1 DST
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<hyper_ch2> eyJhb: 8h now
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<eyJhb> Soon hyper_ch2 ;)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @andir merged pull request #70815 → libyamlcpp: 0.6.2 -> 0.6.3 → https://git.io/JeWu2
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<srk> kandinski: GMT+1 :)
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<kandinski> srk: cool, that's my timezone of origin! I'm almost at my bedtime, but if you're still interested in running sc3plugins on NixOS I'll keep you posted. Otherwise, I'll spare you the noise.
<kandinski> srk: my ultimate goal is using tidal-cycles on NixOS. Tidal is packaged because it's in stackage, I guess, but it has a hard dependency on the plugins.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @athas opened pull request #70846 → ispc: add x86_64-darwin to platforms. → https://git.io/JeWog
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Moredread opened pull request #70847 → ntfs3g: enable extra utilities → https://git.io/JeWoK
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @samdoshi opened pull request #70848 → chromaprint: 1.3.2 -> 1.4.3 → https://git.io/JeWo6
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<fling> Should I use nixos?
<Taneb> fling: I'd like to say yes
<Taneb> But that depends on your particular circumstances
<Taneb> It's a bit more of a commitment than most Linux distributions (but so worth the effort, in my opinion)
<fling> Are any lxd images available?
<srk> kandinski: yes sure, I think that was the reason I've started to look in to sc3 plugins (to run tidal ;))
<Taneb> I don't know what "lxd" is
<raboof> Taneb: i found it more approachable than Arch (though indeed e.g. Debian is easier)
<kandinski> srk: I'll keep you posted. I don't know what I'm doing, but I figure out having a clear goal is a good way to learn.
<srk> :) indeed!
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<raboof> fling: the easiest way is probably running the livecd in virtualbox (though take my advice with a grain of salt, I've only been using nixos for a week or so :) )
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa opened pull request #70849 → openmpi: 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 → https://git.io/JeWoH
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @yoohaemin opened pull request #70850 → Fix documentation typo → https://git.io/JeWo5
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<NinjaTrappeur> Looks like the container images are not advertised anywhere in the doc sadly. We do build them on hydra though.
<fling> thanks
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<gchristensen> NinjaTrappeur: it would be cool to make it easier to advertise more stuff
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<NinjaTrappeur> Definitely.
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<shmish111> does anyone know who I can talk to about statically compiling haskell exes?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa merged pull request #70849 → openmpi: 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 → https://git.io/JeWoH
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<infinisil> shmish111: nh2[m] is the guy!
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<shmish111> yeah I just pinged him, he seems to have already been through the pain :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda opened pull request #70852 → python.pkgs.py3status: propagate setuptools → https://git.io/JeWKz
<shmish111> yeah, I've come a long way since first reading that and yet still no results :(
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zimbatm merged pull request #70778 → nixos/caddy: add tests → https://git.io/JeW8E
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<clever> shmish111: https://github.com/cleverca22/nix-tests/blob/master/haskell-init/default.nix is based on nh2's repo, and boils it down to the simplest expr possible
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<umachan> Both my hardware clock and my system's UTC time seem to be wrong (+1h), how can I fix this?
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<Unode> umachan: check if your timezone settings are correct and run an ntp client
<umachan> Unode: the timezone is correct, does nixos not run ntp out of the box?
<Unode> umachan: you can enable the ntp service. It won't run out of the box
<umachan> Ah right, thanks!
<Unode> services.ntp.enable will get you there
<Unode> if timezone is correct, default ntp setting should suffice
<Unode> there's also systemd.timesyncd but I'm not familiar with this
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<umachan> I get the following by ntp https://pastebin.com/R8i8YknY
<umachan> The clock is left unsynced
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<callahad> I've not manually configured ntp or timesync, yet I see `systemctl status time-sync.target` running by default.
<gchristensen> callahad: indeed, one of the few services we enable by default
<gchristensen> you can turn it off with https://nixos.org/nixos/options.html#services.timesyncd
<callahad> I wonder why umachan's clock is skewing, then :-/
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<gchristensen> do you see any logs in `journalctl -eu systemd-timesyncd.service`?
<umachan> Hah
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<umachan> My uni network apparently eats ntp traffic
<umachan> >_>
<gchristensen> oops
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<umachan> I guess I'll disable it and set the time manually
<umachan> For now at least
<umachan> Gosh they are so restrictive
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<__monty__> umachan: Wouldn't want grad students realizing they're working full-time for part-time pay.
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<gchristensen> __monty__: haha
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<umachan> __monty__: hits home
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<qyliss> gchristensen: any idea why https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/a9f89128458895737dee9dc011fda214304088af used the XP suffix rather than XS?
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<qyliss> wondering if it might have been a typo
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<gchristensen> qyliss: :x almost definitely :x :x :x
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<xwvvvvwx-> Is there a way to pass a pinned version of nixpkgs into modules that I import using `imports = [ ... ]` ?
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<xwvvvvwx-> right now they are using the nixpkgs from the search path unless I'm confused?
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<hyperfekt> xwvvvvwx-: Yes, _module.args is your friend here. But if you want to use a pinned version everywhere you might want to change the NIX_PATH instead with nix.nixPath.
<xwvvvvwx-> thx :)
<xwvvvvwx-> How would I use nix.nixPath if I've pinned nixpkgs using the fetchGit method outlined here: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ/Pinning_Nixpkgs ?
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<hyperfekt> xwvvvvwx-: "nixpkgs=${builtins.fetchGit ...}" as a list element together with all the other path elements you need.
<hyperfekt> So you need to leave off the import statement since you want its path, not its value.
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<chenhq2005> Is there any possiblity to run NixOS on ARM processors such as RaspberryPi?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #70538 → librepcb: 0.1.0 -> 0.1.2 → https://git.io/JeCa5
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<tazjin> is anyone here running a binary cache mirror? What's the most efficient way of setting them up? I'm trying it with a simple `nix copy` invocation that reads from `store-paths.xz`, but it's progressing very slowly
<wedens> tazjin: have you tried nix-serve?
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<gchristensen> tazjin: how much of hydra do you want to mirror?
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra closed pull request #3038 → handle empty SANDBOX_SHELL → https://git.io/fj7BJ
<tazjin> gchristensen: as much as I can get, but definitely all channel content of unstable and the last 2-3 releases
<gchristensen> neat
<gchristensen> what for?
<tazjin> I want to keep Nixery’s traffic internal (i.e. mirror to GCS)
<gchristensen> cool
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<gchristensen> can GCS do, like, read-through caching?
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<tazjin> not easily, I wanna start by regularly copying all missing paths around
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<gchristensen> right
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<Taneb> There's some Haskell libraries I've ran into that are erroneously marked as broken
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra pushed to master « getSourceExpr(): Handle channels »: https://git.io/JeWPT
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<hyperfekt> chenhq2005_: Definitely, there's beta support Re aarch64 and iirc kernels in nixpkgs for the Pis.
<hyperfekt> s/Re/for/
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<Ilya_G> Is there a cheat sheet for how standard linux paths are mapped in NixOS? I am looking for a proper place to create a Unix socket file and a proper way to drop a config file that might potentially be changes.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @manveru opened pull request #70858 → nginx: add map_hash_*_size options → https://git.io/JeWPP
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #70397 → qtutilities: 6.0.0 -> 6.0.1 → https://git.io/Jec7U
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<manveru> Ilya_G: the usual places are /var/lib and /var/run respectively
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #70735 → Backport Rust 1.38 to 19.09 → https://git.io/JeWOO
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed 7 commits to release-19.09: https://git.io/JeWPN
<manveru> well /run, i guess, /var/run is just a symlink there now
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<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra pushed to master « OCD performance fix: {find,count}+insert => insert »: https://git.io/JeWPp
<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @Mic92 pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWXe
<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @Mic92 merged pull request #123 → thinkpad/x1-extreme/gen2: add module → https://git.io/JeZSE
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<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @Mic92 merged pull request #122 → Add Dell E7240 Profile → https://git.io/JeZTL
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alyssais merged pull request #67566 → nixos/nginx: use mailcap mime.types → https://git.io/fjAH5
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alyssais pushed commit from @petabyteboy to master « nixos/nginx: use mailcap mime.types »: https://git.io/JeWXY
<gchristensen> qyliss: so a weird thing about that commit is volth actually authored it
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<gchristensen> oh, wait, lol, 2017. wow. you're digging :P
<gchristensen> just kidding!
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<qyliss> GitHub says August this year?
<gchristensen> "Apr 22, 2017"
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<qyliss> oh, right
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<{^_^}> [nix] @grahamc opened pull request #3134 → Don't activate Nix if the user's profile is not owned by that user → https://git.io/JeWX8
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pille opened pull request #70859 → add documentation for booting ISO image via grub → https://git.io/JeWXr
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<lassulus> hmm, it's quite hard to override the grub2 derivation used by the system
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @talyz opened pull request #70860 → bundler: 1.17.2 -> 1.17.3 → https://git.io/JeWX9
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<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #3135 → Don’t override system PATH → https://git.io/JeWXF
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<worldofpeace> srhb: I actually requested them to backport changes for zbar that already improved things in master
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #70252 → rtags: 2.16 -> 2.34 → https://git.io/Jecfh
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from @uvNikita to master « rtags: 2.16 -> 2.34 »: https://git.io/JeW1q
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer closed pull request #68234 → rtags: 2.16 -> 2.33 → https://git.io/fjjDT
<worldofpeace> srhb: for the other things, I don't think I know what to say. 10 days ago is literally 70 prs ago for me :D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @talyz opened pull request #70861 → nixos/gitlab: Don't print sensitive data to log on startup → https://git.io/JeW1O
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<inkbottle> NixOS + stack (only, meaning ghc is not available straight from command line, but only through stack): "stack exec -- ghcid -T :main" doesn't work
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<inkbottle> the only way I have it working it through a nix-env -p ghcid
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<inkbottle> in that case with typing: ghcid -T :main
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<inkbottle> the error I get is taht 'stack' is not found
<clever> inkbottle: `ghcid -c "runhaskell Setup.hs repl lib:cardano-explorer"` is what i use, and i just ignore stack entirely
<clever> inkbottle: but if you have a cmd that can convince stack to give you a repl, you can pass that to `ghcid -c "..."`
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hrdinka merged pull request #70371 → dovecot: Fix wrong type in configFile option → https://git.io/JecDH
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda opened pull request #70863 → python3.pkgs.pyhomematic: 0.1.59 -> 0.1.60 → https://git.io/JeW17
<inkbottle> clever: Yes, I can have stack give me a repl; however what I do not have is 'ghcid' all by itself; I need to do "stack -- ghcid"
<inkbottle> or I can use nix-env -p
<inkbottle> only thing is there is a sort of conflict between stack and nix on that specific point
<clever> inkbottle: i just install ghcid into my profile
<inkbottle> yes, that's what I did too
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #70852 → python.pkgs.py3status: propagate setuptools → https://git.io/JeWKz
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from @dotlambda to master « python.pkgs.py3status: propagate setuptools »: https://git.io/JeW1b
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #70836 → inxi: enable json output → https://git.io/JeWVi
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from @dguibert to master « inxi: enable json output »: https://git.io/JeW1N
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<teto> gchristensen: do you receive my pm ?
<gchristensen> ahh yes!
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #70858 → nginx: add map_hash_*_size options → https://git.io/JeWPP
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #70850 → Fix documentation typo → https://git.io/JeWo5
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #70845 → Geogebra: 5.0.535 -> 5.0.560 → https://git.io/JeWoI
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kolaente opened pull request #70864 → [19.03] gitea: 1.9.3 -> 1.9.4 → https://git.io/JeWMU
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kolaente opened pull request #70865 → [19.09] gitea: 1.9.3 -> 1.9.4 → https://git.io/JeWMT
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @PyroLagus opened pull request #70866 → cloudflare-wrangler: init at 1.4.0 → https://git.io/JeWMt
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kalbasit merged pull request #70776 → termite: passthru vte-ng → https://git.io/JeW8G
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kalbasit pushed to master « termite: passthru vte-ng (#70776) »: https://git.io/JeWMY
<emily> is writing to $out in postPatch ok?
<gchristensen> sounds shady. why?
<emily> because I need to patch in the path to a file I generate :)
<yumasi> Hi ! I'm trying to use ccache for a custom kernel derivation I am writing for a NixOps deployment but it fails with "permission denied" in a "homeless-shelter" directory. I understand I probably want it to be elsewhere but I can't find a way to actually do it.
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @disassembler opened pull request #311 → news: 19.09 release → https://git.io/JeWMV
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #70245 → python3Packages.pysonos: 0.0.22 -> 0.0.23 → https://git.io/Jecvm
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #70864 → [19.03] gitea: 1.9.3 -> 1.9.4 → https://git.io/JeWMU
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @grahamc merged pull request #311 → news: 19.09 release → https://git.io/JeWMV
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<__monty__> sphalerite: Any breakthrough thoughts about my troubles with the remote builder from yesterday? http://ix.io/1Y75
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<gchristensen> __monty__: paste your nix.conf from toxsol?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #70190 → pythonPackages.ledgerblue: 0.1.28 -> 0.1.29 → https://git.io/JenDV
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #69990 → x42-plugins: 20190714 -> 20190820 → https://git.io/JeZdS
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<__monty__> gchristensen: Remote host's nix.conf: http://ix.io/1Y9x
<__monty__> Nothing remarkable, afaik?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @c0bw3b merged pull request #69984 → tintin: 2.01.8 -> 2.01.90 → https://git.io/JeZdf
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<gchristensen> __monty__: you need to SSH as a trusted user. so, either SSH as root, or add toonn to the trusted user list
<__monty__> gchristensen: Is this new? I've succesfully used this as a remote build host before.
<gchristensen> it isn't new
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<__monty__> Is it specific to nix-daemon? I *think* this is a single-user install.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #70711 → python37Packages.braintree: 3.56.0 -> 3.57.1 → https://git.io/JeWkH
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<Taneb> fg
<Taneb> No, wrong terminal, sorry
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<scoates> all I saw was hunter2
<gchristensen> proposal: a weechat plugin to replace hunter2 with *******
<__monty__> I was gonna suggest a plugin that checks whether something's a valid command and asks for confirmation if it is ; )
<gchristensen> my problem is I often do up-arrow,enter to re-run a command, and then I end up repeating what I said last. sometimes over and over.
<gchristensen> my problem is I often do up-arrow,enter to re-run a command, and then I end up repeating what I said last. sometimes over and over.
<Taneb> scoates: if my password is "fg" I deserve to have it posted on IRC
<scoates> (-;
<__monty__> Another plugin that checks whether you've said the exact same thing before and asks for confirmation : )
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<gchristensen> lgtm
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<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra opened pull request #3136 → Remove world-writability from {profiles,gcroots}/per-user → https://git.io/JeWDY
<manveru> :partyparrot:
<manveru> finally 19.09 :D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cameronbriar opened pull request #70869 → terraform-provider-wavefront: init at 2.1.0 → https://git.io/JeWDZ
<gchristensen> disasm++ sphalerite++
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<devalot> Anyone else experiencing 19.03 build failures due to hdf-4.2.14. I can build my system as of .173522.021d733ea3f but fails after I update the channel. I don't see any issues on GitHub and as far as I can tell hdf hasn't changed recently.
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<__monty__> gchristensen: Added myself to trusted-users on the remote (is this syntax right? = [ "root" "toonn" ]) no change in output so far.
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<gchristensen> nix.conf is not a .nix file
<gchristensen> Ithink it is space separated no quotes
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl pushed 14 commits to master: https://git.io/JeWDE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl merged pull request #70255 → sourcehut.*: 2019.10.02 → https://git.io/JecTt
<__monty__> And, still the same error.
<gchristensen> you restarted the daemon on the remote side?
<__monty__> There's no daemon to restart afaik.
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<gchristensen> anything in the logs of the ssh server on the remote?
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<clever> __monty__: what file are you editing? does it appear in `nix show-config`, what is the actual error?
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<__monty__> clever: http://ix.io/1Y75 Added the "haskell" feature to force haskell builds onto the remote host.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alyssais merged pull request #70860 → bundler: 1.17.2 -> 1.17.3 → https://git.io/JeWX9
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alyssais pushed commit from @talyz to release-19.09 « bundler: 1.17.2 -> 1.17.3 (#70860) »: https://git.io/JeWDo
<__monty__> Nothing in journalctl ssh/sshd.
<clever> __monty__: that error has nothing to do with trusted users
<__monty__> I believe it's built GHC remotely though.
<clever> __monty__: what is the contents of /etc/nix/machines ?
<gchristensen> clever: I was thinking the remote build codepaths rejected the remote
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<__monty__> toonn@toxsol x86_64-linux,i686-linux /home/toonn/.ssh/nix_id_ed25519 2 1 benchmark,big-parallel,kvm,nixos-test,haskell
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<__monty__> The result of the bit of config at the end of my paste.
<clever> __monty__: what about `nix show-config | grep feature` on the remote machine?
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<gnidorah> merge please? #68440
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/68440 (by gnidorah, 4 weeks ago, open): openxray: init at 510
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<__monty__> No output. Didn't know features have to be configured locally?
<clever> __monty__: it should have some defaults, what does just `nix show-config` output?
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<__monty__> A bunch of stuff but nothing about features.
<clever> __monty__: what version is the remote nix?
<__monty__> 2.0.4
<clever> id say try updating the remote nix node
<clever> and building with --keep-going
<__monty__> Could it be because "system = x86_64-linux" on the remote? I.e., it doesn't include i686-linux?
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# nix show-config | grep platform
<clever> extra-platforms = i686-linux
<clever> __monty__: there should be an extra (system|platform) thing
<__monty__> I'll try setting that.
<clever> __monty__: it has a default
<__monty__> It's not in show-config.
<clever> likely because your nix is too old to support it
<clever> so it just blindly allows 32bit on 64bit
<__monty__> Ok, I'm waiting for the update to finish.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #70827 → heroku: 7.27.1 -> 7.33.1 → https://git.io/JeWzu
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<__monty__> clever: We're getting somewhere; more errors that is : ) Do I need to specify the features on the remote as well?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @scalavision opened pull request #70871 → Add delly to biology pkgs → https://git.io/JeWyt
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<__monty__> clever: Hmm, doesn't seem like specifying system-features on the remote helped: http://ix.io/1Ya1
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<__monty__> Is this because I'm not a trusted-user?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #70873 → rl-1909: brief package version changes → https://git.io/JeWy0
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<__monty__> Ok, so trusted-users still has nothing to do with it.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #70834 → mycli: 1.19.0 -> 1.20.1 → https://git.io/JeWa9
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<worldofpeace> anyone know how I can, in a nixos test, have two machines built with different nixpkgs?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #70870 → pythonPackages.slither-analyzer: add setuptools → https://git.io/JeWyf
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @edolstra opened pull request #70874 → [WIP] Don't create /nix/var/nix/{gcroots,per-user}/per-user with 1777 permission → https://git.io/JeWyF
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<mog> stupid question but 19.09 is released with 124 open issues?
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<drakonis> 19.09 is upon us
<worldofpeace> mog: I see with 94 https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A19.09. And if we were to fix every issue we'd never release
<drakonis> finally.
<mog> im happy 19.09 released sorry if it sounded otherwise
<mog> ive been waiting very eagerly
<worldofpeace> mog: also, a lot of those are issues just carry over from the prior release
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<drakonis> there's issues from 18.08
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<drakonis> 18.09 in there
<mog> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/milestone/16 ya that makes sense i just didnt notice it before i gues
<drakonis> stretching all the way back to 2014
<worldofpeace> ahh mog that numbers is combined from prs I guess too
<mog> really excited for new gnome and setting my pc to unlock its drive from my gpg key
<drakonis> i'm excited for upcoming features
<bahamas> is anyone using PyCharm with Nix and Python? I ask, because I don't know how to make PyCharm see the dependencies in the `result` directory I created by running nix-build
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @wodim opened pull request #70875 → Fix typo → https://git.io/JeWSf
<raboof> if I want to run a non-nix binary in my nix-shell, where should I put the `patchelf` command in my `mkShell`?
<raboof> ah `shellHook` #usethesourceluke
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cko opened pull request #70876 → flamegraph: 2017-07-01 -> 2019-02-16 → https://git.io/JeWSL
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat merged pull request #70875 → Fix typo → https://git.io/JeWSf
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<hyper_ch> eyJhb: changing the evdi to latest git commit and using your patch, displaylink works on 5.3 also. However, how can I maintain this after reboot? I seem to be required to run xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0 and xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 2 0 and then xrandr --output DVI-I-1-1 --auto and xrandr --output DVI-I-2-2 --auto everytime I start
<eyJhb> I run xrandr on each boot :%
<eyJhb> :p **
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<hyper_ch> how? when?
<eyJhb> hyper_ch: https://termbin.com/hxy9
<eyJhb> i3-config :%
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<hyper_ch> hmmm.....
<hyper_ch> still not sure what that setprovideroutputsource even means though :)
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<hyper_ch> I just run those becasue I found it on arch wiki and then I did experiment some :)
<hyper_ch> eyJhb: and at what stage do you run that?
<eyJhb> It means it magically works! :D
<hyper_ch> automagic is the best kind of magic
<eyJhb> hyper_ch: I just have this at the very end of my i3 exec_always --no-startup-id ~/xrandr.sh
<hyper_ch> I have no idea :)
<hyper_ch> I'll find it out somehow
<hyper_ch> Linux subi 5.3.1 #1-NixOS SMP Sat Sep 21 05:19:47 UTC 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<hyper_ch> eyJhb: this works on 5.3.1 https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/761cfefd
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<exarkun> Where'd the AMIs go?
<exarkun> https://nixos.org/nixos/download.html has an empty list
<exarkun> Are the older AMIs listed somewhere? Do they still exist? (They existed last week...)
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<gchristensen> heh
<gchristensen> exarkun: I wonder if that is a problem with the release steps! 19.09 just came out
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<exarkun> last week I asked my ops guy to get me some nixos instances. today he commented on the ticket saying "sorry no can do there are no amis". :(
<gchristensen> ouch
<gchristensen> one sec, exarkun
<exarkun> aha. tyvm. :)
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<mrus> does anyone know where I can find Samba's testparm utility in NixOS?
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<worldofpeace> ,locate bin/testparm
<{^_^}> Found in packages: samba, samba4Full, sambaMaster
<worldofpeace> nix-shell -p samba
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<mrus> oh nice, thank you!
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<catern> can someone remind me how Nix would deal with a package A which includes B.h from library B which in turn includes C.h from library C?
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<__monty__> catern: Disregarding caching, lib C is built, lib B is built, package A is built.
<catern> no, I mean like, does A need to put both B and C into its buildInputs, or just B?
<gchristensen> it shouldn't need to put C in
<catern> if A has just B in its buildInputs, how do the headers for C get put on its include path?
<__monty__> But A doesn't need those headers?
<catern> does the setup hook walk the whole closure for headers? I thought it just looked at buildInputs, propagatedBuildInputs, etc
<__monty__> When B is compiled you no longer need the headers for C.
<catern> __monty__: B.h contains the line '#include "c.h"'
<__monty__> catern: Yeah, and when B is built. That's in a seperate environment of where A is built.
<__monty__> C would be in B's buildInputs and therefore available in that environment.
<catern> package A is a single file A.c which contains the line '#include "B.h"'; package B is a single file B.h which contains the line '#include "C.h"'; package C is a single file C.h.
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<devalot> When booting 19.09 I got a kernel panic. I moved to linuxPackages_latest and it boots, but without any of my network interfaces. What steps should I take to debug this?
<catern> when compiling A.c, C.h needs to be on the include path - that's how C compilation works
<__monty__> Does it? I figured the include of C would be expanded and therefore no longer relevant.
<catern> yes, it does :)
<catern> C compilation has many infelicities
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<catern> so I'm just wondering how that happens. does the setup hook look at B's scraped dependencies?
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<catern> using propagatedBuildInputs would work too, but is that actually how it's done in Nixpkgs?
<gchristensen> I'm wondering why you want to do this
<gchristensen> like why would package B have a buildInput that it never uses?
<catern> well, the realistic scenario is where B and C are libraries, and B uses C
<simpson> catern: If B exports, say, a pkg-config .pc description, then sure, there's a setup hook that can set everything up.
<gchristensen> yes, in that case the library is complied already
<simpson> But nothing in Nix or nixpkgs can do that completely automatically. You have to leave some breadcrumb in order for Nix to do the setup.
<catern> gchristensen: what if, say, B's headers mention types from C's headers?
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* gchristensen doesn't know, but ispretty sure it isn't a problem?
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<catern> simpson: I'm not sure about that - pkg-config has deps, but are you supposed to apply all the Cflags: and Libs: flags of all your deps? well... I guess you are, yeah
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<catern> maybe? I don't know about that
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<catern> oh yeah, that is how pkg-config works. ok
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<bitstream0101> on a nixos 19.03 system using nix 2, i accidentally ran `nix-env -iA nixos.nix1` as my user; i can't nix-env --rollback because it's an earlier nix-env now, and i can't seem to manually rollback the profile symlinks because it's a read-only filesystem -- does anyone have a clever workaround?
<evax> hi, I'm getting a iwlwifi related kernel panic on boot (with blinking caps led) when trying to upgrade to 19.09, what's the kernel version there?
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<evax> devalot: it looks we have a similar issue
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<catern> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok a further question
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<catern> so pkg-config makes sense, sure
<catern> and say both B and C have .pc files, and B.pc has a Requires: C
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<catern> and B's libs output mentions the hash for C's libs output, so the dependency is picked up by the hash scanner - all totally normal
<catern> but how does a -dev output work then? the B-dev output has the headers, and has a pkgconfig file which mentions the libs output of B
<catern> but how does the B-dev output point to the C-dev output?
<bitstream0101> Nevermind, I fixed it, I wasn't running ln correctly as root ;P
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<catern> we do split headers and libraries, right? so how does this work?
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<rycee> Hey hey. For people using Home Manager with NixOS or Nixpkgs 19.09 I just "released" Home Manager 19.09: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/home-manager-19-09/4311
<gchristensen> wooo!
<selfsymmetric-pa> rycee++
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<gchristensen> rycee++
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<rycee> I hope to make NUR method the default one in the future so people don't have to bother with the HM manager repo and instead just pull in NUR.
<gchristensen> rycee: it might be interesting to start experimenting with flakes and HM
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<evax> devalot: linuxPackages_latest fixes it for me
<rycee> gchristensen: Yeah. I'd like to do that. Just need to find the time to get started :-)
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<rycee> Hopefully somebody will be able to show it off at NixCon.
<gchristensen> has anyone found that wl-clipboard's wl-copy doesn't?
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<arianvp> - Using host resolv.conf is not supported with systemd-resolved
<arianvp> when trying to switch to 19.09 and there is nothing about it in the release notes
<arianvp> resolv.conf is defenitely supported in resolved. it's used to be a symlink to the resolved stub
<arianvp> what happened? this worked a few days ago on unstable :/
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<arianvp> that defenitely could have used a release note entry =)
<gchristensen> it isn't new ...
<arianvp> weird
<arianvp> why did this work before on my machine.
<arianvp> probably PEBKAC
<worldofpeace> Yeah, I remember when that PR got opened
<gchristensen> merged in on Jul 17
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<arianvp> Let me see if it works on nixpkgs-unstable
<arianvp> so it builds fine on nixpkgs-unstable
<arianvp> so there is some 'fix' for this that is on unstable but wasn't backported to 19.09 it seems
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<arianvp> hmmph
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<arianvp> ah so this is something something related to containers specifcally. I'mdoing weird funky things
<arianvp> and its probably odd that it works on unstable but not on 19.09 but this is from a custom nixos module I havent upstreamed yet so isnt really an issue
<arianvp> so PEBKAC. to some extent. not a bug someone else is likely to run into
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @NeQuissimus pushed to master « oh-my-zsh: 2019-10-08 -> 2019-10-09 »: https://git.io/JeWQU
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @grahamc opened pull request #70883 → wl-clipboard: 1.0.0 -> 2.0. (backport) → https://git.io/JeWQI
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #70448 → nixos/lightdm: improve systemd service → https://git.io/JeCLz
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<hc> hi all
<hc> trying to upgrade to 19.09, i'm getting this error: deprecated in 2019-09-10: abandoned by upstream
<hc> but no explanation at all... any hints?
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<waleee-cl> do you get more if you add --verbose?
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<manveru> hc: it's sup
<q3k> lassulus:<3
<infinisil> hc: Oh somebody didn't put context in the error message :/
<gchristensen> looks like the proect 'sup'
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<hc> manveru: thanks, that's it!
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<arianvp> okayyyyy time to reboot! \o/
<arianvp> 19.09 here I come!
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut merged pull request #70839 → oxidized: fix git-crypt dependency → https://git.io/JeWws
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* manveru just booted into 19.09 :D
<arianvp> \o/
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #3136 → Remove world-writability from {profiles,gcroots}/per-user → https://git.io/JeWDY
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<manveru> the new printer config is so nice
<gchristensen> manveru: what printer do you have? :)
<manveru> hp envy 5030
<infinisil> hc: Fyi you can use an older nixpkgs to get sup still
<arianvp> new printer config?
<hc> infinisil: thanks, but I switched to neomutt+notmuch recently anyway :)
<infinisil> arianvp: #55510
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/55510 (by florianjacob, 34 weeks ago, merged): nixos/printers: declarative configuration
<freeman42[NixOS]> what package(s) do I need to install for NixOS to detect an Android device connected via USB?
<manveru> is my new config, had to tweak the ppd a bit...
<gchristensen> manveru: *steals* mind throwing that up on the wiki?
<arianvp> printers and linux being nice? what is this?
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<hc> another question, if I log into a nixos machine via ssh to a user that uses fish, none of the paths seem to be working. Workarond: call bash using the full path, then fish again. any better way to solve this?
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<infinisil> I love how NixOS allows these kind of abstractions
<infinisil> Options abstracting stuff :)
<niksnut> oeh, I also have an HP Envy
<arianvp> speaking of nice abstractions... many of us are on weechat or irssi I assume. has anybody made a nixos module with actual config part being coverd as well for it?
<gentauro42> `time.timeZone = "Europe/Copenhagen";` in `/etc/nixos/configuration.nix`. Now I'm in London ... do I really have to make a change and then `nixos-rebuild switch`?
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<arianvp> sooo shall I be brave and do a switch, or do a reboot to 19.09?
<gchristensen> manveru: are you on Twitter?
<infinisil> gentauro42: I think so yeah
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<niksnut> gentauro42: maybe not, for instance in KDE you can configure the clock panel widget to show other timezones
<manveru> gchristensen: in theory, yeah
<infinisil> gentauro42: For $reasons NixOS patched away the ability for the time to be changed dynamically, not sure why tbh
<gchristensen> manveru: I'm going to share your config snippet. should I tag you?
<manveru> gchristensen: i don't mind
<manveru> not sure what's so great about it :P
<gchristensen> well it is really cool :)
<manveru> well, way better than the manual fault-prone config from before, for sure :D
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #70453 → polkit: propagate glib, other cleanups → https://git.io/JeCLx
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<manveru> now nixos-hardware can have a printer section
<gentauro42> niksnut: and infinisil it's like something that should be "changable" ...
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<gentauro42> but I can see the point of have a static value in a config file (for servers who don't travel the world)
<gchristensen> manveru: yay! looking forward to someone doing the work to make the HP LaserJet Pro M118dw work ... :P
<manveru> my old dell was hell to get working...
<niksnut> well, you *can* change /etc/localtime manually
<gchristensen> I got it to work *once* and then I rebooted and deletedeverything in /
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<infinisil> gentauro42: niksnut: Hm where is the explanation for this? https://github.com/NixOS/systemd/commit/f65b136cc0629c4f94c65b72ee1cdcac40c8286b No explanation in the commit
<manveru> had to compile a custom translator that'd convert ghostscript to whatever crazy commands it understood, then pipe it into the printer port 9100
<manveru> and it'd segfault a lot
<gchristensen> :o
<manveru> i think it was a fork of http://foo2hbpl.rkkda.com/
<niksnut> infinisil: they're disabled because they bypass declarative configuration management
<gentauro42> niksnut: :o
<infinisil> niksnut: Lots of other things do too though, and especially timezone would be nice to change dynamically
<niksnut> what over things do?
<niksnut> *other
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<infinisil> ip tables come to my mind
<infinisil> networkmanager configs
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<infinisil> Every service module that doesn't use a declarative config
<niksnut> iptables only because I didn't know about atomic loading of the firewall
<niksnut> and static network config shouldn't be overriden at runtime
<infinisil> Static things are nice, but I don't think they should be used for everything. There are things that need to change dynamically
<niksnut> if you don't want declarative config, you're using the wrong OS
<gchristensen> hehehe
<niksnut> sure, but if you've declared something statically, it shouldn't be overriden dynamically
* manveru used to turn his vpn on/off using nixos-rebuild too :)
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<niksnut> you could have an option that says "don't let NixOS manage my timezone"
<infinisil> I should use nixos-rebuild to do `systemctl stop some-service`? :P
<niksnut> but the more of these options you have, the less predictable the system becomes
<infinisil> Yeah
<niksnut> and it becomes convergent rather than congruent configuration management
<sauyon> in a perfect world, probably
<niksnut> puppet vs nixos
<gchristensen> +1
<eri> hello everyone
<niksnut> iptables is a good example, you never really know for sure whether the iptables config will be the same after a reboot
<infinisil> niksnut: I think it would be best to have a default static timezone, but allow it to be changed dynamically for when you go abroad
<infinisil> so it would get reset when you reboot
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<sauyon> why would you want that?
<infinisil> (are you asking me?)
<eri> non of the propagatedBuildInputs can be found
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<sauyon> yes, I feel like if I I'm abroad I'd prefer for the change not to be lost on reboot
<eri> does someone here use that?
<infinisil> Well then you could change it in your configuration.nix and rebuild
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<infinisil> But especially when you go abroad you might not have internet so you might not be able to do a rebuild
<infinisil> Also, maybe you don't even have your configuration.nix on the machine itself (e.g. with nixops, or nixos-rebuild --target-host)
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<eacameron> Is `leaveDotGit = true` from `nixpkgs.fetchgit` *ever* safe to use? It seems you should be able to run some git commands, stick them in a file, and then delete `.git` and everything would be the same as if you had simply not used `leaveDotGit`...but all evidence so far points to this not being the case. I.e. any change to the git repo upstream invalidates the hash for this nix drv.
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<infinisil> eacameron: leaveDotGit goes to some lengths to make it deterministic
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<eacameron> infinisil: O_o how is it not helping....
<infinisil> Not sure what you mean?
<sauyon> Ideally I think you would be able to rebuild configurations offline, though I suppose that's probably not feasible in the short to mid-term
<eacameron> Why does pushing to the upstream repo invalidate the hashes of the nix drv even though we completely delete .git from the resulting $out
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<gentauro42> niksnut: `/etc/localtime` is binary file
<gentauro42> how would you change that `manually`?
<niksnut> gentauro42: ln -sfn /etc/zoneinfo/America/New_York /etc/localtime
<infinisil> eacameron: Huh that shouldn't happen? Where is this happening?
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<gchristensen> niksnut: time to make /etc a nix store path :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace closed pull request #70325 → NetworkManager, ModemManager: move all symlinks to alias, add alias for modem-manager.service → https://git.io/JecuD
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<adisbladis> gchristensen: Heh, if you want mutability you can always symlink to a mutable location from that store path :)
<gchristensen> exactly!
<gchristensen> I do this so my wifi networks persist between reboots
<infinisil> But that's illegal!
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* adisbladis does his homedir that way
<gchristensen> :O
<adisbladis> infinisil: Screw the popo
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<eacameron> infinisil: It would be a pain to test it yourself, but this is the code: https://gitlab.com/obsidian.systems/tezos-baking-platform/blob/fd8eacc829a666c3f393e4848259d3fa18109e76/nix/lib/utils.nix
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<infinisil> eacameron: Oh well no that's not safe
<eacameron> infinisil: ah why?
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<infinisil> git repos are not deterministic with the .git
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<zeta_0> have the new nixos `stable` and `un-stable` versions been released yet, i heard that they would be released this october ?
<{^_^}> zeta_0: 2 days, 2 hours ago <worldofpeace> nixos-unstable doesn't have released versions, it's basically a rolling development version of the next stable release. next nixos release is 19.09
<gentauro42> 00:02 < niksnut> gentauro42: ln -sfn /etc/zoneinfo/America/New_York /etc/localtime
<infinisil> If you extract some non-deterministic things from it and save it, but delete the original .git, it's still non-deterministic in the end
<gentauro42> roger that :)
<worldofpeace> zeta_0: and 19.09 was released today 😃
<Ashy> wow, i just found that out from phoronix
<eacameron> But this doesn't extract non-deterministic things from it. It gets the commit hash
<Ashy> wonder if michael larabel ever sleeps
<gchristensen> manveru: I told you people'd like it :) https://twitter.com/grhmc/status/1182048533546983424
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<zeta_0> worldofpeace: that is great, it has some new software packages that i need
<zeta_0> worldofpeace++
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<infinisil> eacameron: Ah I see, hmm..
<eacameron> infinisil: That is... grabbing the commit hash, timestamp should be deterministic for a given commit no?
<eacameron> timestamp of the commit, that is.
<infinisil> Sure should
<adisbladis> gchristensen: I'm not sure if you were joking or not but making /etc a store path is imho a legit good idea
<infinisil> eacameron: When/How did you notice the hash changed?
<eacameron> infinisil: someone else checked out the code haha
<eacameron> of course mine was cached...
<worldofpeace> lol, that printers PR was why I was so insistent on getting it merged. I don't think any other distro has a feature like this.
<infinisil> eacameron: You sure the hash actually changed or was the old hash just wrong?
<infinisil> eacameron: Because if you didn't update the hash when you made changes to the build it would've used the cached one without rebuilding
<zeta_0> so the new nixos unstable version is 21.03?
<eacameron> infinisil: Yes this is a good point.
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<eacameron> infinisil: Perhaps that happened.
<eacameron> We'd have to check.
<infinisil> Perhaps yeah
<worldofpeace> zeta_0: nixos-unstable, as stated is the next release in development. so it's 20.03
<worldofpeace> seems releases are YY-03 YY-09
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<infinisil> Except very old ones!
<zeta_0> worldofpeace: thanks
<infinisil> I'm wondering whether we could have a faster release schedule
<infinisil> Rust seems to be doing well with their 6-weekly releases
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<gchristensen> infinisil: we release once a week or so :)
<infinisil> Ehhh
<infinisil> I guess Rust and such do have much more resources/people/time
<gchristensen> people who want fast changes can use rolling release okay, I think
<gchristensen> the 6mo release is already kind of fast for some users
<infinisil> It is?
<gchristensen> yeah
* infinisil hasn't heard of that
<gchristensen> big deployments in more traditional companies
<eacameron> infinisil: I would vote that `leaveDotGit` get a much scarier name. Backward incompatibility nightmare of course...but it seems way to easy to screw yourself with this.
<infinisil> Oh doesn't debian have like a stable release only every 2 years?
<gchristensen> yeah
<infinisil> eacameron: It's only dangerous in combination with postFetch
<drakonis> and they version bump stable packages
<drakonis> but don't include new ones until the next cycle
<eacameron> infinisil: Really??
<infinisil> drakonis: What's the reason for that? I'd think it should be the other way around, because updates can break stuff, new packages can't
<infinisil> Well in the Nix world at least..
<infinisil> eacameron: Lemme see, depends whether postFetch runs before or after the .git cleansing
<worldofpeace> infinisil: I wish our release dates were different
<eacameron> infinisil: Oh it definitely runs *before*
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<drakonis> they dont bump everything
<eacameron> infinisil: Unless you mean something else by ".git cleansing"
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<eacameron> Than rm -rf .git
<drakonis> and they dont do major version bumps either
<drakonis> its weird
<infinisil> eacameron: I think it runs after?
<eacameron> infinisil: Where ".git cleansing" is something other than "rm -rf .git"?
<infinisil> eacameron: You have leaveDotGit = true in there, meaning it doesn't remove it on its own
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<eacameron> Right. But you're saying that `leaveDotGit` is safe if you don't specify postFetch.
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<infinisil> eacameron: Actually it should be safe either way
<infinisil> Because it runs after the .git cleansing 100% sure now (see https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/build-support/fetchgit/builder.sh, which runs the builder first (nix-prefetch-git, which does the cleansing), then postFetch)
<eacameron> infinisil: That's definitely not my experience. We tried without postFetch first and it definitely wasn't deterministic.
<infinisil> How did you figure that out?
<eacameron> pushing *anything* upstream caused the local hashes to be wrong again (after gc'ing old builds)
<eacameron> by "hashes" I mean sha256 checksums
<infinisil> And all you did was `fetchgit { url = "..."; sha256 = "..."; leaveDotGit = true; }`?
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<eacameron> IIRC yes
<infinisil> I mean s/url/rev
<eacameron> yeah
<infinisil> eacameron: Would be interesting to see the diff between the mismatched store paths to see what changed (can recommend diffoscope for that)
<infinisil> Because leaveDotGit is supposed to be deterministic
<eacameron> Ok. I'm guessing this function doesn't have automated testing ?
<infinisil> Yeah it doesn't afaik
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<infinisil> eacameron: Btw I did recently change leaveDotGit a bit to be more deterministic: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/67805
<{^_^}> #67805 (by Infinisil, 5 weeks ago, merged): nix-prefetch-git: Remove some pack file non-determinism
<eacameron> infinisil: Aha!
<eacameron> infinisil: We are definitely on a much older version that that.
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<infinisil> eacameron: No guarantee that this will fix it for your case, but would be cool if it did :D
<eacameron> infinisil: We're trying to not use leaveDotGit any more beacuse we got scared away.
<eacameron> but it would be good indeed if it's fully deterministic.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ericdallo opened pull request #70885 → srt-vtt: init at 1.2.0 → https://git.io/JeW5u
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed commit from @d-goldin to release-19.09 « qt5.{qtwebengine, qtwebkit}: fix -Wno-class-memaccess warning for clang »: https://git.io/JeW5g
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @allgreed opened pull request #70886 → [Docs] Add a hint on Virtualbox machine setup → https://git.io/JeW5K
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<craige> Lovely discourse post worldofpeace :-) ("Thanks everyone")
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<worldofpeace> craige: totally, thank you !
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tokudan opened pull request #70887 → Update to PR #64267, add missing release notes. → https://git.io/JeW5b
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<amf> Doing my first upgrade, I had boot.kernelPackages = pkgs.linuxPackages_5_2; but that package is now gone, and switch to just pkgs.linux I now get this error: `error: attribute 'extend' missing`. Nothing was mentioned in the release notes, what kernel package can I use?
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<infinisil> amf: pkgs.linuxPackages
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<infinisil> amf: Although you probably want to use a newer version than the default
<infinisil> You could use linuxPackages_latest
<qyliss> or linuxPackages_latest
<qyliss> but 5_2 isn't supported because it goes EOL soon
<infinisil> > :v stable
<{^_^}> stable = nixos-1903
* infinisil goes to update nixbot to have the 19.09 channel as stable
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<amf> i have to, brand new hardware, that worked, when do i change the stateVersion in conf.nix?
<qyliss> amf: never, unless you're told to
<amf> ah, that's why it's missing from the manual, noted!
<amf> rebuilding got: `error: stack overflow (possible infinite recursion)`, no other error
<infinisil> ,stateVersion
<{^_^}> Setting stateVersion to the latest release doesn't upgrade anything and can only break your setup at best. To actually upgrade NixOS see https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/#sec-upgrading. If you want to update the stateVersion option regardless, Ctrl-F for "stateVersion" in https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/release-notes.html to see things that need to be manually migrated with the new value.
<infinisil> amf: Aw damn, what's the full output with --show-trace?
<amf> https://pastebin.com/MsYZNsQ3 --show-trace didn't add anything
<infinisil> Hmm
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<infinisil> amf: What about adding a -v? And with -vv and -vvv?
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<amf> last reference pkg before the overflow is: pkgs/tools/typesetting/biber/default.nix'
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<infinisil> The full logs would be more helpful
<drakonis> ENOTENOUGHDATA
<amf> removed my texlive installation (which was wiedly and likely wrong, but worked with 19.03) and it appears nixos-rebuild is happy again
<infinisil> amf: Ah, what did you remove exactly?
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<amf> `(texlive.combine { inhereit (texlive) <huge list of packages>)` forgot where i got that snippet from
<drakonis> err
<infinisil> amf: I'm asking because I'd like to reproduce the error so this can be fixed
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<drakonis> you can have package names on a single line btw
<drakonis> its great for conserving screen space
<infinisil> Well they have like 50 packages, I wouldn't want those on a single line
<infinisil> drakonis: Also, one line per package is better for git diffs :)
<drakonis> oh, certainly!
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<infinisil> amf: Alright I can reproduce it thanks, let's see..
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @moaxcp opened pull request #70888 → sshoogr init at 0.9.26 → https://git.io/JeWd0
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<amf> whatever is in there was cobbled together while installing/setting up. i pulled various pieces from the internet, but nix accepted it so i left it
<drakonis> same as me
<drakonis> i would suggest you to do a cleanup
<drakonis> it is nice
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<waleee-cl> do the "cdrom" user group actually do anything?
<drakonis> permissions for reading cds i think?
<drakonis> some of those things are related to pre udev days i think?
<kyren> I know this is a bit of a vague description, but has anybody had issues with declarative containers if the containers take a long time to start? For me gitlab is the biggest culprit, gitlab in a container seems to take a very very long time to start. I've set `systemd.services.<containers>.serviceConfig.TimeoutStartSec` to "infinity" but still occasionally (this is the vague part) containers will fail to restart properly
<waleee-cl> my old laptop with a dvd-burner worked fine without it
<kyren> I bring this up because I'd like to upgrade to 19.09 and I'd really like to turn on automatic upgrades, but I'm afraid that it'll break my containers all the time
<amf> i may be remembering wrong, but the cdrom group was what made k3b not complain
<infinisil> Hm well this stack overflow might just actually be a stack overflow
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<infinisil> I can't find anything that would indicate this being an infinite recursion
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<waleee-cl> ok. I don't remember what I used when burning discs, but I'm pretty sure it worked without me belonging to that user group
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<drakonis> which distribution were you on?
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<kyren> I'm looking for advice like "yeah declarative containers take some babying, I wouldn't turn on automatic upgrades" or "there is a better setting that makes upgrades not wait on containers to fully start" or "something is deeply wrong go find it"
<waleee-cl> drakonis: nixos
<{^_^}> #65661 (by davidak, 10 weeks ago, merged): nixos-containers: add TimeoutStartSec option
<drakonis> that's kyren ^
<infinisil> Ah yes sorry
<drakonis> shouldnt infinity be "wait forever"?
<kyren> infinisil: oh hey I totally missed that!
<drakonis> upgrading should be a non issue though, rollbacks are so nice.
<drakonis> i think these groups might be a pre udev construct?
<drakonis> i don't need shadow to view shadow anymore
<drakonis> not even on debian these days