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<catern>
is there a good bug/issue/document anywhere documenting why NixOS/Nix packages on foreign distros need nscd? (I understand why myself but wondering if there's something I can link to)
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<samueldr>
Ericson2314: updated #93368 with binutils 2.34, it all *seems* to work, though built products untested for the time being
<Ericson2314>
just let me know when you remove the WIP :)
<samueldr>
you're fine with the way we're bringing in multiple binutils?
<samueldr>
I mean, I guess it's fine
<samueldr>
though I really had no idea how to do it
<samueldr>
I wonder if it'd be preferable to have a crust built with it before we merge it, but at the same time, waiting will only make it take longer before or1k support is in Nixpkgs
<Ericson2314>
samueldr: yeah I'm fine
<Ericson2314>
you can add a TODO for removing the old one or something
<abathur>
maybe not if you've been deeply wounded by shell :)
<siraben>
abathur: I recently reinstalled Nix on macOS Catalina to see what the process was like, it was more involved than I'd like it, I also have FileVault on
<abathur>
nod
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<zimbatm>
samueldr: noted, I will avoid bridging more IRC channels to Discourse. I think for low-volume channels the bridge can actually help add more people to the conversation. And I also agree that the bridge is favouring Discord which is why I haven't added it to #nixos and #nixos-dev.
<zimbatm>
one of the best thing about Discord in terms of UX is that every user can see all the channels, whereas IRC, each user has to put in the effort to find and join. And poll for new channel existence.
<zimbatm>
but that's also why double-puppettering is not really possible between IRC and Discord. Contrary to Matrix which has the same channel-joining approach than IRC.
<zimbatm>
which is unfortunate
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<Ericson2314>
zimbatm: FWIW i think matrix has some things to group channels so the listing mechanism could be more useful; I'd say this is more a client than protocol issue
<Ericson2314>
not that that helps you in the medium turn, though :)
<qyliss>
they're working on that for Element IIRC
<symphorien[m]>
there is a concept of community that can regroup channels iirc
<Ericson2314>
* not that that helps you in the medium term, though :)
<Ericson2314>
:) matrix is eventually-perfect
<worldofpeace>
symphorien: I've always wondered how to do this, like I want to group the bridged nix channels into a Nix community
<worldofpeace>
the feature feels a bit unloved idk, I enjoy the "switching" it can evoke
<symphorien[m]>
I've no idea. Someone invited me to such a community one day, but I don't know how to create one.
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<siraben>
file hello_new gives me this,
<siraben>
hello_new: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /nix/store/3s2x09bbl1xss1lcx7a6dbw69zmip3gx-glibc-2.32-armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabihf/lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, not stripped
<siraben>
It's a dynamic executable that I cross-compiled but failed to run on the target
<siraben>
Looks like the interpreter is set to the nix store?
<clever>
siraben: you must use nix-copy-closure to copy hello_new to the target
<clever>
and nix will copy the ld-linux.so over as well
<siraben>
clever: but the target doesn't have nix?
<clever>
then you need to either use static binaries, or install nix
<clever>
siraben: it just uses pkgsCross to build a tar containing the nix binary, and then you manually import the db.sqlite backup after unpacking the tar
<siraben>
I see.
<siraben>
I'll try to get it to work without needing to install Nix on the target first and see.
<clever>
you can also just make a tar around hello instead
<clever>
and unpack that to / to get the full /nix/store it needs
<siraben>
Oh, how so?
<clever>
exactly the same way, just read arm-tar.nix
<clever>
but you wont have any tools to manage /nix
<siraben>
Also, would it be beneficial to eventually write some documentation regarding adding cross targets?
<siraben>
I see.
<clever>
that could be useful
<siraben>
clever: what could be a way to make it work using dynamic linking? Is it a matter of missing the appropriate Linux kernel headers?
<siraben>
though I don't have another partition so I'll need to clear some time to test
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<abathur>
yeah; frustrating limitation of the form :)
<siraben>
abathur: how would you nixpkgs-review that?
<siraben>
I haven't tested Nix PRs before
<abathur>
assuming I'm not missing something, it's a little cumbersome
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<abathur>
though there is a little movement towards making installer tarballs available for PRs and such
<abathur>
so I'm just building a darwin-only tarball myself, and self-hosting a modified install script that points to it
<siraben>
so do you reinstall Nix using that?
<abathur>
I'll point CI installs at them, and I have a spare macbook at the moment
<abathur>
so on the macbook I'll take an apfs snapshot before install with `tmutil localsnapshot`
<abathur>
install, test, rollback
<siraben>
I see.
<abathur>
unfortunately macos "forgets" user-taken snapshots after 24h, so I've had to learn to be careful with it to avoid reinstalling
<siraben>
macOS snapshots that are not Time Machine?
<siraben>
I haven't used those before
<abathur>
though, with the proto-uninstaller code in this one, it's a little more feasible to install/uninstall
<abathur>
yeah
<siraben>
How do I access that?
<abathur>
it's still timemachine taking them, but it's slightly different
<siraben>
Ah, `tmutil`
<abathur>
I can take one with `tmutil localsnapshot`, and then reboot into recovery with command + r, and there's an option to restore from time machine there
<siraben>
Nice. Why would macOS delete them after 24h?
<abathur>
I assume they're trying to avoid them piling up, not really sure
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<abathur>
I found an option somewhere about specifying that it should restore a snapshot on reboot, but I haven't figured out how/if it can be used here
<siraben>
Do you dual boot? What's do you use for backup between macOS/Linux? I'm using borgbackup ATM
<abathur>
I don't, I have a separate nixOS system
<abathur>
I use restic to back up some farily narrow slices of project/user data, and my dotfile repo for config/settings stuff
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<cole-h>
Hi niksnut -- I hate to bother you like this, but is there any chance you could take a look at https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3961/? I think it would be nice to get it merged before you're done with the work on your progress-bar branch.
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<infinisil>
cole-h: I think this might actually be the reason for not merging it. Since the whole output format is going through some major changes right now
<infinisil>
Didn't look all too closely at the PR though, maybe I'm mistaken
<ivan>
wireguard doesn't seem to build with the linux 5.4.76 in 20.09 git