#nixos-dev on 2020-09-30

2020-09-12 12:40 sphalerite changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS stable: 20.03 ✨ | 20.09 ZHF: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-09-zero-hydra-failures/8928 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 20.03 RMs: worldofpeace, disasm; 20.09: worldofpeace, jonringer | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev

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02:07 <V> <infinisil> Isn't IFS a bashism? ← nope! https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_06_05

02:11 <V> <qyliss> maybe, but there needs to be a better (more portable) solution ← writing a custom utility that performs word splitting & PATH lookup should be trivial; I'm surprised it hasn't been built already

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02:31 <ashkitten> who can i talk to about docs? i have a friend who wanted to try out nixos but got really turned around and i think their description of what happened could be very useful for improving our onboarding experience

02:33 <samueldr> can you write up the things before you forget them? I think garbas knows who's on the "new" docs team though

02:34 <samueldr> (I mean, write them up in personal notes or whatever)

02:34 <ashkitten> i've got a chatlog to reference

02:34 <samueldr> I don't think you'll get someone to talk about docs at this time of the night :)

02:34 <ashkitten> understandable

02:34 <samueldr> unless it's styles issues

02:34 <ashkitten> yeah i just wanted to ask around because i don't know who to ask in the first place

02:36 <samueldr> I really don't remember who's the docs people, but I think there are people that formed up in a team "recently" (soon to be a year ago?)

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04:04 <samueldr> hmm, we can't chain overrideAttrs as I observe, or am I doing it wrong?

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04:26 <samueldr> hm no, should work, I ended up having another bug in my reduced repro

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07:36 <andi-> hydra stopped building, is that known?

07:37 <andi-> ah, now it is doing things again. Looked empty for a minute.

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09:20 <Taneb> There doesn't seem a way for the binary cache server built in to Hydra to currently return a "Sig:" field in the narinfo files without setting the depracated "binary_cache_secret_key_file" option :(

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17:25 <clever> 31 scrubDerivations = namePrefix: pkgSet: mapAttrs

17:25 <clever> 36 // (optionalAttrs (isDerivation value) { outPath = "\${${wholeName}}"; })

17:25 <clever> samueldr: did i just stumble upon the answer in nixos/modules/misc/documentation.nix ....?

17:25 <samueldr> maybe you did

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18:33 <gchristensen> I everybody ready for hacktoberfest? :)

18:33 <samueldr> gchristensen: the invalid. tag ready?

18:33 <gchristensen> :P

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19:19 <niksnut> gchristensen: uh oh...

19:20 <gchristensen> :)

19:20 <qyliss> A hackerspace I know got two invalid PRs already

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19:45 <risson> Anyone knows how much a hydra evaluation of nixpkgs weighs in terms of storage?

19:45 <tilpner> I think it used to be ~80GB

19:46 <tilpner> YMMV with newer nixpkgs, unpacked storepaths/NARs/transparent compression

19:46 <risson> That's not much, is it

19:47 <tilpner> It adds up quickly if you put it on a timer to mirror as you go

19:47 <risson> Indeed

19:47 <tilpner> (The GC can take days if you let it accumulate a few months)

19:48 <risson> Yeah, it's going to be a one of build, I just wanted to know if I had to use really big disks

19:48 <tilpner> Might be slightly higher if you're going to build it yourself

19:49 <tilpner> The 80GB figure comes from fetching all store paths from the cache

20:05 <qyliss> gchristensen samueldr niksnut: https://github.com/phpmyadmin/website/pulls

20:05 <qyliss> I hope this isn't what we're in for

20:05 <qyliss> At least you can bulk label PRs

20:06 <gchristensen> oofta

20:06 <cransom> what the...

20:06 <drakonis> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/

20:06 <drakonis> this horror show

20:07 <drakonis> is there any writeup on the current status of CAS or is it just through following the rfc?

20:07 <drakonis> we're definitely going to get those

20:10 <drakonis> i dont understand the point of this

20:10 <gchristensen> to Support Open Source (tm)

20:12 <qyliss> It seems to be a way bigger thing this year?

20:12 <qyliss> Like, my first hacktoberfest was probably like 2015 but I never saw all this spam and stuff

20:13 <gchristensen> free t-shirts are compelling

20:14 <samueldr> and it's limited this year

20:14 <samueldr> only 70 000 shirts

20:14 <samueldr> so people will game the system for a shirt

20:18 <drakonis> swell

20:18 <drakonis> there's a lot of crap PRs springing up on github

20:19 <drakonis> a whole lot of cursed CS stereotypes too

20:20 <cole-h> Let's close down Nixpkgs for all of October.

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20:21 <samueldr> I don't think we'll need to

20:21 <samueldr> the project might be too much "off the radar" for people to pick it

20:21 <samueldr> there's much juicier targets like microsoft notepad.exe or DOS

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20:22 <drakonis> it hasnt been on the explore page on github

20:22 <drakonis> so it'll be largely unscathed

20:22 <gchristensen> bittersweet

20:22 <drakonis> https://github.com/trending

20:23 <drakonis> indeed

20:24 <gchristensen> amazing https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr has seen so few

20:24 <drakonis> from the particular public i've been observing here

20:24 <samueldr> what I would have hoped for is that invalid PRs don't only stops counting the PR, but discredits the user totally

20:25 <gchristensen> oh I think it does

20:25 <drakonis> they arent converging with ours

20:25 <cole-h> Or at least the "spam" label

20:25 <samueldr> not according to the rules IIRC

20:25 <gchristensen> "If a maintainer reports your pull request as spam or behavior not in line with the project’s code of conduct, you will be ineligible to participate."

20:25 <samueldr> maybe different than invalid for that

20:26 <drakonis> the dreaded indian in CS stereotype is here it seems

20:26 <drakonis> i feel yucky just by writing that

20:29 <drakonis> apologies to anyone

20:30 <drakonis> it isnt the goal to be rude

20:32 <qyliss> drakonis: any repository named "website" seems to be being targetted

20:32 <drakonis> its generally really low effort

20:33 <drakonis> https://github.com/crweiner/hacktoberfest-swag-list

20:34 <drakonis> ugh

20:35 <samueldr> that's going to end up a honeypot, as repos made to game the system are against the rules lol

20:35 <drakonis> yes

20:36 <samueldr> oh, no, hadn't read and assumed it was another of those "just add your name" kind of fake project

20:36 <drakonis> there are a bunch of people using it to game the system already

20:36 <drakonis> it can arguably be said it isnt built to game the system, but it is being used to do that anyways

20:37 <qyliss> the weirdest thing is

20:37 <qyliss> PRs to your own repos count

20:37 <puck> lmao yeah

20:37 <samueldr> yep

20:37 <qyliss> so if you want to game the system why not just do that rather than spamming people?

20:37 <puck> qyliss: because people don't realise that's possible, maybe?

20:38 <qyliss> I feel like this is probably going to be the last Hacktoberfest

20:38 <qyliss> Because I've never seen anything like this before

20:38 <qyliss> And can't imagine DO coming out of this looking good

20:38 <drakonis> i'll have to observe that the stereotype is true this time

20:38 <drakonis> unfortunately

20:44 <drakonis> my znc is very weird today

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