worldofpeace_ changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: #nixos-dev NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 20.03 BETA Announced https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-03-beta/5935 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<tilpner_> niksnut: We have decided on 17:00 UTC today, please check the email for the jitsi URL
<tilpner_> (You may already know this, but you were the only who didn't enter the poll, so there was no indication)
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<niksnut> yes, works for me
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<aanderse> niksnut how do you usually deploy changes to httpd config?
<niksnut> you mean of nixos.org?
<niksnut> nixops deploy
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<niksnut> aanderse: what should I do if I don't know the name of the vhost? e.g. I'm trying to get https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/blob/e46b906fb057e5a7bbdc114d41d4ce784c18ba40/flake.nix#L107-L127 to build with 20.03
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<niksnut> let me just try '*'
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<aanderse> niksnut: .localhost
<niksnut> but is it then still reachable on other interfaces?
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<aanderse> niksnut: it certainly is
<aanderse> finding relevant parts...
<aanderse> here is non ssl line: <VirtualHost ${concatMapStringsSep " " (listen: "${listen.ip}:${toString listen.port}") listen}>
<aanderse> so virtual host for "localhost" is constructed and listens on specified ip/port combo
<aanderse> the "listen" variable defaults to port 80 if you have no ssl, port 443 if you have only ssl, and both 80+443 (creating separate virtual hosts, 1 for ssl, 1 for non, obviously) if you have the add ssl or force ssl option set
<aanderse> the user is free to go in and specify ip/port combinations to listen on if the defaults do not work
<tilpner> Is there any way to have my tests not perfectly formatted before I'm allowed to run them?
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<gchristensen> on 20.03 I get a surprising amount of very brief lock-ups
<tilpner> Should I back-port a new test if the module is broken on 20.03?
<worldofpeace> tilpner: skipLint = true;
<tilpner> Ahh, thank you! :)
<worldofpeace> I believe that's in the docs ^
<tilpner> skipLint does not appear in nixpkgs/doc
<tilpner> It does in nixpkgs/nixos/doc
<worldofpeace> tilpner: I don't think the nixos testing driver is documented in the nixpkgs manual?
<tilpner> But it's not published yet
<worldofpeace> tilpner: can read unstable manuals from here https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/trunk-combined/nixos.manualHTML.x86_64-linux
<tilpner> But I didn't know this was documented!
<tilpner> And if I did, I would be done reading the docbook source before I found the hydra links
* tilpner is terrible at navigating hydra
<worldofpeace> Umm, that reads very pointed. I just thought I would mention it...
<yorick> gchristensen: try disabling swap
<gchristensen> hey wait what, why do I even have swap
<tilpner> worldofpeace: Sorry, that was not intended. I just felt like I had to justify why I had to ask instead of reading the manual
<yorick> recent linux kernel seems to have made the swap situation worse
<worldofpeace> tilpner: oh yeah, now I get it. Trust in this, worldofpeace will never suggest RTMF 😂
<tilpner> :)
<gchristensen> thank you, yorick, I'll give that a go
<tilpner> worldofpeace: (How) should I add #81119 to the "this should be done pre-20.03" checklist?
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/81119 (by tilpner, 1 hour ago, open): [20.03] nixos/git-daemon: only create git user if it will be used
<worldofpeace> tilpner: If you think an issue/change is a release blocker, ping release managers and add blocker label. it should be in the milestone
<tilpner> I can't add the label, but I pinged the team
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<genesis> worldofpeace : i think we should have pulseaudio with jackaudioSupport = true;
<genesis> but perharps i pulseaudioFull with all other optionals would be fine on the cache too.
<genesis> we have already btw
<domenkozar[m]> am I the only one wishing for max-substituter-jobs nix settings?
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<genesis> oki i fixed pulseaudio bridge :)
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<worldofpeace> Hey tilpner qyliss niksnut Mic92
<tilpner> Hi! We'll know it was your DNS if you stop replying here
<worldofpeace> yeah, this as much seems to be working
<tilpner> You said you had concerns about going to FCP?
<worldofpeace> Yeah, because I wasn't in the discussion I don't think you can FCP without my 🏁
<worldofpeace> The first thing was:
<worldofpeace> I wasn't clear on the timing that was agreed on,
<worldofpeace> to be more predictable for committers and reduce the evaluations from 12 times a year to just once a year."
<worldofpeace> In the RFC it said "That year is measured from January 1 to December 31 instead of using a rolling window over the last 12 months,
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<worldofpeace> but what I was able to hear from qyliss was that it should happen right away
<worldofpeace> I value it being predictable
<qyliss> I think it should happen right away with the 2019 data
<qyliss> Not a rolling range of the last year.
<tilpner> Not for 2020, but anyone who hadn't committed during either of 2019 or 2020 would be notified
<qyliss> Yeah.
<worldofpeace> Ok, so going forward, what day week do I expect this operation/communication to occur?
<tilpner> Ideally in January of each year, with "as soon as possible" this year
<worldofpeace> Because I'm seeing there's a process, you notify, and I believe it was agreed to have a public issue that someone (undecided) was going to create. And then emails are sent out.
<worldofpeace> And then from there some (undecided) person, or perhaps this is a task that could be shared between anyone who is an owner in NixOS, would remove them on a certain date. Is there a buffer between the time you say "hey, you're going to be removed"?
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<worldofpeace> I get from this meeting there was an agreement on a notification on both email and a github issue. so that as much can be moved out from the Unresolved questions
<qyliss> I think it should be a month.
<worldofpeace> So a month of time to respond is in the "Removing an inactive nixpkgs committer" to the issue and email. Do we require them to make contribution?
<genesis> worldofpeace : lot of jack client refuses to connect, Client name = qjackctl conflits with another running client (same with bristol or samplv1_jack )
<worldofpeace> * correction. issue or email.
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<worldofpeace> Is documentation going to be in the works for this RFC?
<tilpner> It would belong in the same location as documentation about becoming a committer
<tilpner> I agree there should be documentation beyond the RFC, but I don't know where it would live
<tilpner> The nixpkgs manual?
<worldofpeace> is that even a thing?
<worldofpeace> like, I don't think becoming a committer is in the docs.
<tilpner> Oh, is that a thing
<tilpner> No, I'm not aware of that being documented either
<worldofpeace> So I think how can someone get it back is an important thing for people to see?
<tilpner> It could be a single sentence in the issue that notifies them
<tilpner> For now, at least
<tilpner> There won't be that many after the first round, and of them not everyone will want their bit back
<worldofpeace> So I think generating a .md issue with that info would be implementation
<tilpner> worldofpeace: As in, stuff that needs to be done after the RFC is accepted, or before it can be accepted?
<worldofpeace> I believe that's just `related-issues: (will contain links to implementation PRs)` right?
<worldofpeace> Anyways, this was supposed to be a short meeting 😸 I don't have much more time, but I will write the rest on https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/55. But I don't think this is ready for FCP IMHO. There isn't enough consensus yet?
<{^_^}> rfcs#55 (by tilpner, 19 weeks ago, open): [RFC-0055] Retire inactive nixpkgs committers
<worldofpeace> Next call, please sound check it's very important 🤞
<tilpner> Thank you, worldofpeace! I'll try, if we have another meeting
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<clever> LD src/nix/nix
<clever> g++: error: BOOST_LDFLAGS@: No such file or directory
<clever> nix seems to no longer build in its own nix-shell
<clever> might be bootstrap related?
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<gchristensen> so I saw the rngd problem, worldofpeace
<worldofpeace> gchristensen: aww, it sucks right? 😸
<gchristensen> it isn't great :P but I wonder if my computer's random freezes are due to randomness problems
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<worldofpeace> I don't think there's been any other changes that could've caused those?
<gchristensen> I guess I'm feeling suspicious that Linux 5.4 is causing me a lot of problems, and maybe rngd is just another
<worldofpeace> I'm currently trapped at 4.19 cuz intel graphics
<gchristensen> what do you mean?
<worldofpeace> oh, I mean I haven't had those issues. But I retract it because it isn't on topic for you
<gchristensen> yeah but what is the intel graphics issue?
<clever> nix now builds
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<worldofpeace> gchristensen: stupid freezes and lockups, they're pretty widespread
<gchristensen> is this a new thing
<gchristensen> ?
<gchristensen> because I've been seeing stupid freezes and lockups, and presumably I use intel graphics
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<gchristensen> oh hi
<gchristensen> yes I am competent
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<worldofpeace> gchristensen: oh, I hope that didn't come of as saying you're incompetent.
<gchristensen> not at all :P I just ... never bothered to read the release notes!
<gchristensen> hmm I think I'll add a link to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/issues/614 to the release notes to give context to "some regressions"?
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<worldofpeace> yeah, I actually first ran into those bugs when we were on office hours and I had to hard reboot
<gchristensen> ah incredible
<worldofpeace> gchristensen: there's soo many though
<gchristensen> really? it'd be good to collect some specifics
<gchristensen> (and link to them in the release notes, somehow)
<worldofpeace> like, I think a google search will give a ton of hits in every distro
<worldofpeace> (eww, did I really just say a google search?)
<gchristensen> today they will, but in 3 years time they maybe won't be so easy to find
<worldofpeace> gchristensen: that's true. I had plans to improve all the notes anyways, but with my current time that's a hopeful aspiration
<gchristensen> sure
<gchristensen> so one option is to put the reference links directly in the notes, another would be to create an issue for the regressions and link from there
<worldofpeace> gchristensen: the latter sounds best
<worldofpeace> intel graphics regressions for kernel series whatevers
<gchristensen> cool
<gchristensen> is it just graphics regressions?
<gchristensen> ie: is that drm/intel/issues/614 link not sufficient?
<worldofpeace> not sure, I'd have to research again since these situations make headway
<gchristensen> don't do that :) I'll make a tracking issue and link to it
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<genesis> is there a known good visibility of dbus service handling on nixos ?
<genesis> i need to force installation of a dbus service
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<genesis> some package doesn't enable service they provide
<genesis> for example /nix/store/v433wawv8hl23kb2c2qk0lgg86sainc1-a2jmidid-8/share/dbus-1/services/org.gna.home.a2jmidid.service
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<genesis> some package depending on them, like cadence, would not working since they dep on the service, not the package
<genesis> so if we choose to enable all the service, cost nothing btw, but we need nix standard cmd
<genesis> or in the package that need service enable?
<genesis> service dependancies vs packages dependancies.
<genesis> ping worldofpeace
<genesis> service dependancies would mean dependance on a service provider, so we have to rely on provider base.
<worldofpeace> genesis: on nixos you have to put that package in services.dbus.packages
<genesis> in a word; today software depends on "org.jackaudio.service" and "org.gna.home.a2jmidid", not really on libjack and a2jmidid.
<worldofpeace> yes, the dbus inerface. usually a nixos service is enabled along with the program. with jack, likely using its module.
<genesis> worldofpeace : for example; "org.jackaudio.service" could be some jack1 or jack2 system wide or user wide provider, today i've to fix a package name
<genesis> i just let idea goes their way, some people would be interesting to participate in reflexion, yes i can fix my current pb forcing overidding a2jmidid with ('--enable-pkg-config-dbus-service-dir=true
<genesis> worldofpeace : would be interessting how you provide /nix/store/v433wawv8hl23kb2c2qk0lgg86sainc1-a2jmidid-8/share/dbus-1/services/org.gna.home.a2jmidid.service to cadence :)
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