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<aanderse> is the manual currently broken on master?
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<Profpatsch> My terminal support suddenly supports colored inline-smilies (thanks to whoever made that possible), so it’s time to test this message a coworker just created:
<Profpatsch> Or not, copying from slack copies the plain text like :grinning:
<__monty__> Profpatsch: Any terminal that supports unicode + any font that has color emoji would make that work. Maybe an emoji font was added to the default fonts?
<Profpatsch> __monty__: It’s not that easy, because emoji are double-width and that’s not expected by the terminal stack usually
<Profpatsch> But it seems to work well enough™, like everything concerning terminals :)
<Profpatsch> And tbh I wouldn’t want it any other way.
<__monty__> Sure, display wouldn't be perfect but emojis would still work, no? Are there terminals that don't show anything when a character's double-width?
<__monty__> I've seen chopped up emoji and backspacing and moving over them doesn't work real well in irssi but I can still send them, it's functional. And has been for ages. 🚀
<gchristensen> I think in the last 6 months there was some fontconfig update which made them work more places
<__monty__> Maybe that's where all the annoying warnings I've been getting about fontconfig are coming from : (
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<jtojnar> st (libxst) can crash from emoji
<gchristensen> wow
<jtojnar> s/libxst/libXft/
<{^_^}> #69073 (by gyroninja, 19 weeks ago, open): Emoji Fonts Crash st
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<clever> ,profiling
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<flokli> gchristensen: I'm not sure how to interpret the prometheus alerts, at least in their current state…
<gchristensen> agreed
<gchristensen> fwiw I've asked for help on improving this a couple times, still would like help :)
<gchristensen> ideally in the form of a PR :P
* flokli summons hexa-
<hexa-> *tada*
<hexa-> resolved/firing is pretty clear to me
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<hexa-> maybe include the name label in the message?
<flokli> gchristensen: I think what's missing here is the link to the repo with the alert manager rules
<gchristensen> nixos-org-configurations, going afk
<hexa-> i'd say … set annotation.description for each alert
<hexa-> to have a pretty message to pipe to irc, it can also have label values in it
<hexa-> like "Service {{ $labels.name }} is {{ $labels.state }}"
<gchristensen> the biggest problem imo is the alert is FAR too flappy to be useful
<hexa-> you already have "for: 30m"
<hexa-> > sum(node_systemd_unit_state{name=~"^update-nix.*.service$",state=~"activating|failed"}) without(state) == 1
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined, at (string):277:34
<hexa-> isn't it just interesting when it enters and leaves the failed state?
<hexa-> so you want to alert when a unit is failed and not activating
<hexa-> it seems more noisy than it probably is due to there being many series of that kind and you're not giving any labels at this time
<flokli> :+1:
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<aanderse> worldofpeace: Jan Tojnar you two were working on maintainers teams iirc, is that still a thing? that happened, right?
<LnL> the problem is that failed resets while activating, triggering a new alert every time systemd starts another attempt
<LnL> sec
<worldofpeace> aaron: it hasn't happened yet, but Jan made a PoC. there's so much stuff in queue 🤣
<aanderse> worldofpeace: yeah, it is definitely more of a "nice to have" than a "need this right now!" type thing
<aanderse> i mean don't get me wrong... it would be really nice to have
<{^_^}> #72125 (by jtojnar, 14 weeks ago, open): lib: Add lib.maintainer-groups
<aanderse> but yeah, there are always more pressing things than even the nicest "nice to have"
<worldofpeace> aaron: about https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/50, it seems FRidh intends to close it. I would take over the entire RFC
<{^_^}> rfcs#50 (by FRidh, 24 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0050] Merge bot for maintainers
<worldofpeace> but I probably wouldn't be able to because time
<aanderse> worldofpeace: i was thinking to leave it open a few more days just in case anyone wanted to jump in, but yeah at any point it can be closed
<worldofpeace> aaron: the thing is, I believe it only needed some slight polishing
<aanderse> worldofpeace: yeah i think maybe a call or two more, just a few hours of work and it probably would be in a good spot
<aanderse> hopefully someone will pick it back up at some point
<worldofpeace> aaron: yeah, I'm just bummed about it I guess 😺 I don't see nixpkgs in a good spot atm, and with this it would be more healthy
<{^_^}> nixos-org-configurations#98 (by LnL7, 40 seconds ago, open): alertmanager: reduce alerts for flipping systemd states
<aanderse> worldofpeace: yes our PR count is definitely rising
<aanderse> or at least our open to close ratio isn't doing very well
<aanderse> however that boils down
<aanderse> i topic for office hours perhaps, how to deal with nixpkgs growth
<aanderse> if only more people would talk during office hours, then it wouldn't have to just be you and grahamc mulling things over ;-)
<worldofpeace> aaron: hehe, now you're really looking out for me :D
<aanderse> i loved your idea of having a "guest" host for office hours. you and grahamc can't do everything
<ajs124> Any ideas why the libbfd.so in pkgs.libbfd is different from the one in pkgs.binutils-unwrapped?
<worldofpeace> Last time gchristensen mentioned the merging metics we do get quite a bit of stuff in. I really think allowing maintainers to merge their changes under these conditions would change things more than just PR count. it will lessen the burden of committer having to integrate maintainers packages 😁
<worldofpeace> aaron: totally, and that would open things up a bit more
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<samueldr> gchristensen: please give worldofpeace the ability to change the topic with the current feature freeze discussion link thankyouverymuch :)
<worldofpeace> hmm, I'll probably have to switch to a real irc client first
<samueldr> aw
<worldofpeace> last time I checked matrix just messes that up
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<worldofpeace_> however alt worldofpeace should work :D
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<worldofpeace> bye worldofpeace_
<worldofpeace_> worldofpeace: thanks for your help
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<worldofpeace> sometimes I'm too silly 🤣
<samueldr> whoops, URL caught the 23rd post :/
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<gchristensen> samueldr: are you fixing, or should I re-op worldofpeace_ ?
<samueldr> oh, didn't see the mode change
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