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<samueldr> regarding #54508 specifically, what's the story on adding tests to the suite?
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/54508 (by bachp, 3 weeks ago, open): nixos/overlayfs: add test
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<srhb> Can someone kill and restart this build? https://hydra.nixos.org/build/89128834
<srhb> Ah, reset doesn't matter, it's fine in the next eval. :)
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<gchristensen> is our favorite troll back? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/55807
<{^_^}> #55807 (by AMDphreak, 5 days ago, open): How to auto-mount drive as user, not root?
<gchristensen> "The drives are mounted as root, and the manual does not tell how to change this idiotic default behavior."
<globin> maybe encouraged by a specific thread
<gchristensen> hmmm maybe not, that is a person as their icon and it isn't even a stock photo according to tineye
<gchristensen> looking at their other repos is super shady though, a couple of them have one no-content commits, and a few other are pushes of other repos
<gchristensen> a very old account with no activity for 8 years
<gchristensen> which started in November... isn'tthat when we banned our previous troll?
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<srhb> gchristensen: I'm not convinced. See the same-name twitter account and https://amdphreak.wordpress.com/2019/02/16/nixos-and-the-linux-distribution-as-a-channel/
<gchristensen> looks like they wrote 3 blog posts in the last month. the twitter account is good
<srhb> If that really is the case, it's certainly way more elaborate. I feel, too much.
<gchristensen> aye
<srhb> And the twitter account links to the blog post which links to their issues on nixpkgs.
<srhb> Great!
<gchristensen> it was almost _too_ convenient that their problem was about lists and coretemp was in a list.
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<domenkozar> could someone proof read?
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<Taneb> domenkozar: looks good to me
<gchristensen> domenkozar: mind if I write some more for some of those?
<domenkozar> gchristensen: not at all
* gchristensen boots up the dictation software
<das_j> domenkozar: Looks good
<domenkozar> gchristensen: brb food
<gchristensen> netboot: Try out NixOS, without having to even create a USB key.
<gchristensen> niv: Easily pin, update, and maintain remote dependencies for each of your Nix projects.
<gchristensen> diving in to nixos: Setting up NixOS and Windows 10 on the Dell XPS 13 9370.
<gchristensen> k8s: Zimbatm describes configuring Kubernetes using typed Nix wrappers to generate the Kubernetes YAML files. KubeNix automatically follows the API specification and validates your configuration entirely locally.
<gchristensen> status.im: Status.im plans to migrate to Nix to manage its various packages and environments. Status.im looks to Nix for most of its usual advantages. Some of the provided examples are ensuring consistent development tools, and development/CI parity. They are also interested in Nixpkg's Linux and and macOS compatibility.
<gchristensen> SRE position: maybe note for RELEX's supply chain management team
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<gchristensen> domenkozar: ^
<domenkozar> :ok_hand:
<domenkozar> thanks Taneb das_j gchristensen
<gchristensen> lookin' good!
<domenkozar> now it is!
<gchristensen> woot!
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<Profpatsch> domenkozar: I think it’s a bit unfair to lwn to publish a Subscriber-only link https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/779997/11de2bdc8dbc0d69/
<gchristensen> oops :|
<Profpatsch> Was easy to miss, no harm caused I guess.
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<domenkozar> I don't know what that means tbh
<Profpatsch> They have a big box up if you are not logged in.
<srhb> domenkozar: Article links are released to subscribers only initially iirc
<Profpatsch> domenkozar: Ah, easy. lwn uses a subscription scheme, but they don’t block the links if you want to share them.
<srhb> domenkozar: Which is a paid service
<Profpatsch> So kind of a “fair use” policy.
<domenkozar> well that's a shitty security model
<domenkozar> tbh
<srhb> It's intentional.
<domenkozar> how am I supposed to know
<Profpatsch> yep
<Profpatsch> domenkozar: No problem.
<domenkozar> they should hire a programmer :)
<Profpatsch> I’m sure they have a few programmers in their team. :)
<domenkozar> then fir ethem :)
<domenkozar> fire them*
<srhb> This is an unfair reaction.
<Profpatsch> Maybe they have no problem with putting a subscription link into a specialized newsletter.
<Profpatsch> They might even get a few new subscribers that way.
<tilpner> Where is it appropriate to post a subscriber link?
<tilpner> Almost anywhere. Private mail, messages to project mailing lists, and blog entries are all appropriate. As long as people do not use subscriber links as a way to defeat our attempts to gain subscribers, we are happy to see them shared.
<Profpatsch> Ah, great.
<srhb> \o/
<srhb> Nice people.
<domenkozar> well if it's just tracking, then it makes sense
<domenkozar> :)
<Profpatsch> I don’t think they track much tbh
<Taneb> I shared it here after someone in another IRC channel shared it with me
<Profpatsch> They have google analytics on their page.
<Profpatsch> Personally I don’t read lwn much, but I guess I should buy a subscription nonetheless.
<simpson> Rumor is that they only care about tracking the subscriber links to the point of making sure that they can identify sites that would republish all LWN content with custom ads.
<simpson> Which apparently people have done, because people are terrible.
<Profpatsch> Yeah, that’s vaild. Always happens, sad.
<gchristensen> wow, gosh
<Profpatsch> But is easy to find via backlinks.
<gchristensen> also: please subscribe to LWN
<Profpatsch> The standard subscription is less then $10 per month, seems like a good investment.
<Profpatsch> done :)
<gchristensen> thank you :-)
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<globin> lwn++
<Profpatsch> yey
<andi-> Subscription is totally worth it. Only ever read a few articles a year but it is a valuable resource worth supporting.
<gchristensen> +1 I'd be *very* sad to see it go
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<andi-> Also in contrast to most other paid online journalism allowing sharing it within the own circles is (almost?) Unique. I do not pay for any other news paper because they are unreasonable in pricing / restrictions IMHO.
<Profpatsch> I have a monthly subscription for the Guardian, though I read very little.
<Profpatsch> It’s more of a Patreon-style thing.
<andi-> There was some talk about apple working on a 10$ newspaper flatrate.. I'd pay that if a) not just apple devices and b) the fair share goes to the journalists
<andi-> Yeah.. I mostly read private blogs but fear for the decline of newspapers
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<LnL> do we allow placeholders in nixpkgs now?
<samueldr> I think so [citation needed]
<infinisil> Yes
<infinisil> Last release was the last one to not allow them, after the branch-off min-ver was increased on master
<LnL> ah so 18.09 no, but master yes?
<infinisil> Yes
<{^_^}> #46401 (by matthewbauer, 23 weeks ago, merged): [18.09] set min version back to 1.11
<gchristensen> are we going to have a crisis and revert it again once we release?
<infinisil> Oh it was a bit different than I said, but with the same effect
<LnL> alright
<LnL> just making sure, not checkout out of concern
<LnL> gchristensen: we could verify that a base subset, like *-small still evaluates to avoid most of the potential problems?
<gchristensen> that seems pretty reasonable
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<matthewbauer[m]> LnL: I think you will need to modify nixos-rebuild for that to work: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/installer/tools/nixos-rebuild.sh#L277-L311
<matthewbauer[m]> Somehow we need the version check here to be ignored when we are in the nixos-rebuild "bootstrapping": https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/default.nix#L3
<matthewbauer[m]> Err nevermind - this was another issue that I think has been fixed
<clever> matthewbauer[m]: there is a fallback nix in nixos-rebuild, which it will just fetch directly from the binary cache
<clever> so it can upgrade nix without being able to parse nixpkgs
<matthewbauer[m]> Those fallbacks aren't Nix 2.0 though right? I think that was the issue IIRC
<matthewbauer[m]> For instance, I don't think you can upgrade from NixOS 17.09 to 19.03 because the fallback path is Nix 1.11: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-17.09/nixos/modules/installer/tools/nix-fallback-paths.nix
<matthewbauer[m]> Which is probably okay, you just have to upgrade from 17.09 to 18.09 then to 19.03
<LnL> that's easy to backport further than we usually do
<LnL> we could also add some way to disable the check for upgrading purposes, if most basic systems can still be built