<Taneb>
domenkozar: this is a subjective thing but would an actual strike-out be better than ^W in a rich-text format?
<Taneb>
Although I guess samueldr did that
<Taneb>
Other than that it looks good to me!
<gchristensen>
domenkozar: maybe we could write some more words for some of those
<domenkozar>
too late for this time :)
<gchristensen>
no worries :)
<domenkozar>
Taneb: sure
<domenkozar>
gchristensen: I mean you have like 5min if you want to suggest corrections
<domenkozar>
can make it 10min :)
<gchristensen>
for Contributing to NixOS/Nixpkgs: Matthew Bauer makes great recommendations on non-programming ways you can help make 19.03 the best NixOS release yet.
<gchristensen>
f,r NixOS Foundation participating in EU's Next Generation Internet initiative: Grants are available to make your privacy-enhancing or search-and-discovery project.
<gchristensen>
for Is NixOS image binary reproducible?: Initial testing shows NixOS's minimal ISO image is already over 98% reproducible, thanks to the great effort of many contributors.
<gchristensen>
how about that? :)
<domenkozar>
gchristensen++
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<globin>
domenkozar: we should add a section on RFCs (currently open for nominations & new RFCs, FCPs and accepted/rejected RFCs) since last weekly
<globin>
and maybe shepherd announcements
<gchristensen>
ooh a great idea
<domenkozar>
I think that should be produced as part of each meeting
<domenkozar>
and then it can also be published on weekly
<gchristensen>
+1
<domenkozar>
besides other channels
<globin>
but then not as a link but the full text :)
<domenkozar>
need to write RFC meeting script :)
<domenkozar>
(not as in bash)
<domenkozar>
globin: unfortunately I don't have time today to collect what RFCs are in what state so we'll have to sort that out for next weekly
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<Profpatsch>
domenkozar: wait a few minutes, the “Mapping a universe” article might need a different description.
<Profpatsch>
It’s a bit too long for the newsletter format.
<domenkozar>
too late :)
<Profpatsch>
Ah crap
<makefu>
content for the next newsletter :)
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<gchristensen>
any insight in to when the next staging-next merge happens?
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<gchristensen>
samueldr: so there is an option to generate "consistent" IDs in DocBook, but imo they're worse than the "idxyyyyyyyyy"s
<gchristensen>
they use chapter / section / etc. counters, so it'll be like "1.3.6.9" -- stable between two builds of the same sources, not stable between two builds of different sources
<samueldr>
though the previous idxyyyyyy were just unstable, right?
<gchristensen>
right
<gchristensen>
but idxyyyy are easier to find and fix -- I consider unspecified IDs a bug either way
<samueldr>
grep + error message after build?
<gchristensen>
yeah, could be
<gchristensen>
we could also write an auto-id-er xslt program :P adds IDs to elements when the direct child has a <title>
<samueldr>
you could
<samueldr>
:)
<gchristensen>
yeah, exactly, you could
<gchristensen>
;)
* gchristensen
runs away
<gchristensen>
I know it is ridiculous, but I really wish my job could be "just do whatever feels right to make nixpkgs better every day"
<simpson>
Maybe for like a week, sure. Sounds easy to get sick of as a daily task.
<sphalerite>
qyliss: qyliss^work: can you make it to the rfc39 meeting today?
* gchristensen
hopes and hopes
<gchristensen>
matthewbauer[m]: canyou remind me th edifference between armv6 and armv7?
<matthewbauer[m]>
armv7 is a subset of armv6 so it's safe to use armv6 binaries on armv7 devices. both are 32 bit arm
<gchristensen>
something there must be backwards
<matthewbauer[m]>
or superset i mean
<gchristensen>
oh ok
<gchristensen>
how common is armv7?
<samueldr>
very
<gchristensen>
oops
<gchristensen>
how common is armv6?
<samueldr>
armv6 in a much less useful manner
<samueldr>
the main armv6 platform you'll see is the still popular and sold raspberry pi 1 and zeroes
<samueldr>
if the raspberry pi is not a two or a three, it's armv6
<gchristensen>
dangit, the zero too
<samueldr>
if it's two, it's armv7; three it's aarch64+aarch32
<samueldr>
(where aarch32 means "it's complicated" :))
<gchristensen>
so, I haven't looked at the code
<gchristensen>
(I will)
<gchristensen>
but I'm scared of opening the door and then having a rush of people pushing for armv6/7 in hydra :P
<gchristensen>
it'd be a pretty crap experience: get nix, oops, you are immediately doomed to compile a gazillion hours of stuff at 1ghz
<samueldr>
I haven't looked much, but this is in the *nix* project, right?
<gchristensen>
yes
<gchristensen>
in that regard, it might be better to not include it by default, and have extra steps required to get the armv6/7 one, purely as expectation-setting
<samueldr>
will this make it implicitly available in the curl-install-script?
<gchristensen>
not sure
<samueldr>
exactly
<samueldr>
like, get it from the hydra page yourself
<gchristensen>
anyway, I'll definitely take a look
<gchristensen>
these are my concerns, though
<samueldr>
hydra can, the nixos.org instance won't due to Nixpkgs lacking the resources (all kind) to support :p
<gchristensen>
aye :)
<gchristensen>
sphalerite, ckauhaus: are we going to go ahead w/out qyliss? I really wanted her there, but maybe we can make progress the three of us
<samueldr>
additional argument for armv6/7 builds of nix (not nixpkgs): makes it easier for industrious contributors to kickstart a refresh of a community effort-led armv7 improvement :)
<sphalerite>
we did reschedule when I was ill
<sphalerite>
I suppose the main difference here is that I'm the shepherd leader
<sphalerite>
but yeah I'd like to have her there too
<ckauhaus>
sphalerite: gchristensen: I think we should do the call anyway
<gchristensen>
samueldr: hard to disagree with that
<gchristensen>
some special circumstances, I think, are she she had vocal dissenting opinions. up to y'all though, I'm ok with having or not having the meeting
<ckauhaus>
no audio...
<sphalerite>
ckauhaus: I can hear you fine
<gchristensen>
ckauhaus, sphalerite see the meeting chat
<qyliss>
Could I ask for more than a day of notice next time? (Or did I miss something?)
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<ckauhaus>
qyliss: yeah, would probably be better
<ckauhaus>
we thought about getting together again next Wednesday 2000 CET
<ckauhaus>
would that work for you?
<qyliss>
I’m afraid I’ll be giving a talk then
<qyliss>
And the following day
<qyliss>
Any evening (European time) other than those two would work for me
<ckauhaus>
sphalerite is on travel Mon/Tue, I'm on vacation starting at Thu... it's a bit complicated
<ckauhaus>
it would be fine for me to finish the shepherding group's task without me and enter the FCP quickly
<qyliss>
Is the weekend out?
<qyliss>
I could also find time earlier in the day on Wed
<ckauhaus>
probably yes as far as it affects me - I'll be on travel
<ckauhaus>
but perhaps better meet without me than not meet at all :-)
<gchristensen>
I could also do this weekend
<gchristensen>
I'm sorry, qyliss, I didn't realize notice was so short
<ckauhaus>
I'm quite constrained on Wed afternoon - between 1430 and 1530 CET would be ok, next not before 1900 CET
<ckauhaus>
plenty of time in the morning though, but that's not nice for Graham
<gchristensen>
I can make anything after 1000UTC
<qyliss>
1430 CET would be perfect for me
<infinisil>
gchristensen++ for using UTC
<{^_^}>
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<gchristensen>
or if you want to go the opposite route, I can make anything before 0500UTC
<ckauhaus>
seems like you don't need much sleep :)
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<gchristensen>
I don't sleep from 0500utc to 1000utc, but they are sufficiently close to my sleep schedule that I can make it if that is the time to do it :)
<gchristensen>
(my normal sleep schedule is roughly 0300utc -> 1100utc)
<ckauhaus>
anyway, let's see what sphalerite has to offer
<ckauhaus>
<- out for today
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<qyliss>
heh, UTC is my local time zone (currently, anyway), and here I was trying to use CET to be accommodating
<infinisil>
Ah nice, I'm either UTC+1/UTC+2 (summer/winter time.. not sure which way)