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<gchristensen> somebody get a mop, I need to clean up some drool
<samueldr> hopefully qualcomm laptops have become better
<andi-> that keyboard hurts me already
<samueldr> though I haven't seen confirmation that the hypervisor works
<samueldr> andi-: layout or key type?
<gchristensen> as a rare user of laptop keyboards ........
<andi-> samueldr: only checked keys, not even bothered looking at the layout yet
<andi-> why even buy a laptop then?
<samueldr> and then there's the whole issue of having the storage medium shared with the firmware and firmware blobs in an awful way
<gchristensen> andi-: airplanes and EU travel
<gchristensen> and shitposting from couches
<samueldr> sorry, here we call this "contributing"
<andi-> gchristensen: that just means you need one crappy device to SSH into your desktop ;)
<gchristensen> :D
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<andi-> I am installing an aarch64 device as we speak.. trying to play with a 13" epaper display that I ordered the other day..
<andi-> curious how bad the experience will be and if the SD card survives the first day
<samueldr> same kind as delroth on twitter has?
<andi-> no idea which ones they have
<thefloweringash> I'm watching pandoc build to update my aarch64 device :-(
<samueldr> maybe not
<samueldr> gchristensen: until it's confirmed those aarch64 qualcomm laptops have a sane internal storage layout, I wouldn't touch those
<samueldr> it's too easy to get to brickville
<andi-> samueldr: same brand just different category. I got the raw display + mount for a RPI/ESP8266/SPI interfaces/…
<samueldr> and it's a one-way street
<gchristensen> very very fair
<samueldr> it's basically the phone platform, but glorified in a foldy form factor
<samueldr> (for previous qualcomm windows laptops)
<samueldr> so I figure if you touch the wrong partition in just the wrong way, it'll end up needing one of those closed programmers to reset
<gchristensen> good grief
<samueldr> closed and private
<gchristensen> I'm taking this to #worksonarm to ask about it :)
<samueldr> I believe the 835-based laptops had a hardware partitioned eMMC, which could be good, except the layout wasn't split in a way useful for tinkering
<samueldr> gchristensen: slack or discord?
<gchristensen> slack
<samueldr> I really want this to exist and be usable
<samueldr> and it's why I'm such a harsh critic
<samueldr> and no "don't touch the partitions" is not a valid answer
<samueldr> and it shouldn't be for phones either!
<gchristensen> yeah.
<samueldr> I'm scared this will set a precedent
<samueldr> instead of being scared about secure boot
<samueldr> we should be scared about badly designed separation between firmware and software
<samueldr> what if x86_64 based devices start shipping with such schemes?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> macos did that for a little bit? but not so harshly
<samueldr> I don't think they did
<samueldr> AFAIK they always had the actual firmware on a separate device
<samueldr> and they augment it through EFI drivers in the ESP
<samueldr> maybe it's that?
<gchristensen> ah right
<samueldr> you're always able to dd if=/dev/zero your main storag
<samueldr> storage*
* samueldr takes notes
<samueldr> that goes into my long form writing about safe tinkering
<samueldr> as long as you can't tinker with the device, it's not a device you own, you're just along for the ride
<andi-> and it's trash...
<andi-> that didn't really last long..
<gchristensen> heh
<andi-> ohh it was just slow
<andi-> great forgot to install the firmware for the wifi card.. time to make food and dream of proper free software...
<gchristensen> impossible
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<andi-> then I should probably just stop this here and grow veggies somewhere...
<gchristensen> probably
<gchristensen> but that is hard too
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