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<euank> hexa-: you may be interested in https://github.com/tadfisher/gradle2nix
<hexa-> not really :P
<hexa-> thanks though
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<euank> Wasn't sure if you were trying to package a gradle-thing or not, and I found that project handy for packaging something a bit ago
<euank> Sounds like you know what you want though, ignore me and carry on :)
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<hexa-> no, just running marytts :)
<hexa-> and the readme was a bit off
<hexa-> didn't need gradelw after all
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Kiwi opened pull request #89710 → ocrmypdf: 9.8.0 -> 9.8.2 → https://git.io/JfMGf
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<iqubic> So, I'm trying to create a nixpkg derivation for this program: https://github.com/JupiterBroadcasting/CasterSoundboard
<iqubic> I notice that the repo already has a default.nix, so I'm stating from that. However, when I add this to nixpkgs, I'll need to do a fetchFromGithub, instead of just using "src = ./castersoundboard"
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<iqubic> Two issues arise. One, I don't know what rev to use, and Two, the src is actually one folder deep in the github repo, and not at the top level.
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<iqubic> I'm also going to need to change the first line from "with import <nixpkgs> {};" to something that actually only imports only the correct dependencies.
<cole-h> rev = git hash = commit hash
<cole-h> Hint: "Latest commit ________"
<iqubic> Thanks.
<energizer> usually in nixpkgs you dont want an import statement, you just put `{foo, bar, baz}:` at the top and nixpkgs itself figures out how to pass those things to it
<iqubic> I know.
<iqubic> energizer: I said I'd need to fix that.
<iqubic> Maybe import wasn't the right word to use.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @grahamc merged pull request #89692 → [r20.03] fwupd: 1.3.7 -> 1.3.9 → https://git.io/JfMIM
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<iqubic> But now I need to deal with the fact that the source code just at the top level, but is actually in the CasterSoundboard folder.
<cole-h> Maybe `src = fetchFromGitHub { ... } + "/CasterSoundboard"`?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peterhoeg merged pull request #89670 → mu: 1.4.7 -> 1.4.9 → https://git.io/JfMfl
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<iqubic> cole-h: Will that just work?
<cole-h> Only one way to know for certain.
<iqubic> Now I just need to fix up the first line to change from an import statement to something that just requests the proper inputs.
<iqubic> This is going to be the hard part.
<iqubic> I know I'll need qt5.qmakeHook, qt5.makeQtWrapper, qt5.qtmultimedia, gst_all_1.gst-plugins-base, gst_all_1.gst-plugins-good, gst_all_1.gst-plugins-bad, and gst_all_1.gst-plugins-ugly, but I'm not sure if there's anything else.
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<_apollo13gg_> Anyone know of a package I should look at that shows how to compile files for another language and then how to copy them to $out?
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<iqubic> The repo came with its own default.nix, available here. https://github.com/JupiterBroadcasting/CasterSoundboard/blob/master/default.nix
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<iqubic> So I'm just trying use that.
<iqubic> Also, I can't seem to find any version numbers at all.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ajs124 closed pull request #89678 → qemu: Update qemu to qemu 5.0.0 → https://git.io/JfMJA
<cole-h> Then it becomes `unstable-<commit date of pinned rev>`, usually
<iqubic> Cool. I'll do that.
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<iqubic> Now I need to figure out what to make the inputs to this.
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<iqubic> I think I'll need some help with this.
<cole-h> iqubic: Why not just add what they have in their default.nix?
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<iqubic> Well, what they have in their default.nix is "with import <nixpkgs> {};"
<cole-h> I meant the buildInputs and nativeBuildInputs
<iqubic> Is qt5.qmakeHook a valid thing to add?
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<iqubic> Or should I just add qt5 only?
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<iqubic> And what should I do about the required gstreamer-plugins?
<cole-h> If they're required, I'd assume they should become inputs as well?
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<iqubic> So should I just add all the different "gst_all_1.gst-plugins-*" things as inputs?
<cole-h> I'd start with the ones they already have in their buildInputs.
<iqubic> that's what I was referring to.
<iqubic> I assume qt5.makeQtWrapper should be replaced with wrapQtAppsHook, right? What, then, would I do with qt5.qmakeHook?
<cole-h> I don't think you need those if you're using `libsForQt5.callPackage` and the provided `mkDerivation` (not `stdenv.mkDerivation`).
<iqubic> I'm currently using stdenv.mkDerivation. Should I change that?
<iqubic> Sorry for all the questions, this is the first time I've done anything like this at all.
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<cole-h> I think you should look at another qt5 application's derivation. But to answer your question: yes, you should use the mkDerivation provided by libsForQt5 (`{ mkDerivation, dep1, dep2 }: mkDerivation { ... }`).
<iqubic> Can you give me a link to something I should look at?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #89652 → python37Packages.pillow: fix build on darwin → https://git.io/Jf1pZ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/JfMnO
<cole-h> Look for anything that uses `libsForQt5.callPackage` in pkgs/top-level/all-packages.nix. Most of those will be using the qt5 `mkDerivation`.
<iqubic> Will I have to add this new package to all-packages.nix?
<cole-h> If you're planning on contributing it to nixpkgs
<iqubic> I am.
<iqubic> But first I want to get this thing to be build properly.
<euank> One thing that helps me while I'm iterating is to use something like `nix-build -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {}; libsForQt5.callPackage ./default.nix {}'` to locally build the package like all-packages would
<euank> Though there might be a better way to do that
<iqubic> So, this is apparently using libsForQt5.callPackage. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/applications/graphics/apitrace/default.nix
<iqubic> Not sure how that's applicable to my current situation.
<_apollo13gg_> Does anyone know how to reference the current package from within a nix expression?
<euank> iqubic: I haven't packaged qt5 stuff, so hopefully cole-h will correct me when I'm wrong. Based on ./pkgs/development/libraries/qt-5/* (where libsForQt5.callPackage comes from iiuc), that callPackage already passes its own mkDerivation to the package in question
<cole-h> Yep.
<euank> So specifically, if your derivation has `{ mkDerivation, ... }:` at the top, and you call it with `libsForQt5.callPackage`, you're already using the qt5 mkDerivation
<euank> not the stdenv one
<cole-h> Exactly.
<iqubic> but apitrace is still using stdenv.mkDerivation
<euank> I think that's all cole-h meant. Don't use callPackage, use the qt5 callPackage, and then use `{ mkDerivation, ... }:` not `{ stdenv }: ... mkDerivation`, and hopefully it'll make your life easier
<energizer> _apollo13gg_: what are you trying to do?
<euank> You can certainly do the same stuff the development/libraries/qt5 stuff does with stdenv.mkDerivation, but it should have better defaults if you use the qt5 one
<iqubic> Well, then apitrace is weird still, because it uses stdenv
<euank> Yup!
<euank> It has to do more work too
<iqubic> Like what?
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<iqubic> So, what should I do for my package?
<cole-h> Exactly what euank just told you.
<euank> That postFixup to wrap one app is kinda involved
<_apollo13gg_> energizer I'm trying to in my installPhase point to the correct directory with the java file and sqlite dependency.
<_apollo13gg_> cp ${pkgs.writeShellScript "BookFinder.sh" "${pkgs.jre}/bin/java -cp $out/lib:$out/lib/sqlite-jdbc-3.21.0.jar BookFinder"} $out/bin
<kaliumxyz> what is the default user on nixops amis?
<energizer> _apollo13gg_: it might be cwd
<euank> It looks like something that uses qt5 callPackage has that handled for it. I grabbed a package using that at random.. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/a69f9e5a69c5a46c9c60d1bd4f7f671bb5cacba4/pkgs/development/tools/tora/default.nix#L47-L49
<euank> And that one looks somewhat simpler at least? Possibly still a bad example, I don't know the qt ecosystem in nix well
<euank> kaliumxyz: root@
<kaliumxyz> thanks c:
<_apollo13gg_> energizer thanks I will give it a shot.
<iqubic> But my package does this: postInstall = ''wrapQtProgram "$out/bin/$name" --prefix GST_PLUGIN_SYSTEM_PATH_1_0 : "$GST_PLUGIN_SYSTEM_PATH_1_0"'';
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<kaliumxyz> sugoi, now running nix in pulumi.
<euank> nice kaliumxyz :)
<euank> You can pass user-data that contains a configuration.nix btw to add a user other than root at boot btw
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<iqubic> Yeah, I just saw.
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<iqubic> This line is kinda pointless now, right:
<iqubic> nativeBuildInputs = [ qt5.qmakeHook qt5.makeQtWrapper ];
<cole-h> Yes.
<iqubic> And what do I do about qt5.qtmultimedia being in the build inputs?
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<euank> If you look at the mkDerivation function you're calling, you can see it just passes through buildInputs mostly: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/a69f9e5a69c/pkgs/development/libraries/qt-5/mkDerivation.nix#L27
<euank> Other than pulling in wrap hooks, which you can find by poking around the library too if you're curious what they're actually doing for you
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<iqubic> Alright, so this package uses qmake, and not cmake. How do I deal with that?
<iqubic> It also doesn't use qtbase, which seems odd.
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<cole-h> Change the c to q.
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<euank> I expect there's other packages that use both libsForQt5 and qmake if you want to hunt for examples. if you run into a specific issue after poking around a bit, I'd be happy to try and help
<iqubic> cole-h: Which c do I change to a q?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple closed pull request #89690 → amass: 3.6.2 -> 3.6.3 → https://git.io/JfMIn
<cole-h> If I were to guess, it would probably be changing cmake to qmake in order to use the build tool it expects
<iqubic> But I'm passing neither cmake nor qmake in.
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<cole-h> iqubic: Well, you said it needs qmake to build, right? So why aren't you passing qmake in as a nativeBuildInput?
<iqubic> I should do that.
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<iqubic> Now, time to figure out what to do with the gstreamer plugins.
<iqubic> Just add "gst_all_1.gst-plugins-ugly" and such to the inputs?
<cole-h> 18:41 <cole-h> I'd start with the ones they already have in their buildInputs.
<cole-h> So yes
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<iqubic> This doesn't seem like it will work, but I'll try it.
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<ldlework> I released baduk.nix 0.1, a set of home-manager modules for getting what you need to play and study with state of the art Go AIs, https://github.com/dustinlacewell/baduk.nix
<LevelChart8> I'm trying to run a program that runs on other Linux distros with "./ProgramName" (while in the relevant directory of course). NixOS seems to think "ProgramName" is a command it doesn't recognize.
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<LevelChart8> Is there a special way that NixOS executes these kinds of commands?
<euank> LevelChart8: `ldd ./ProgramName` will probably show something it can't find. Probably the interpreter
<drakonis> chmod
<drakonis> lol
<drakonis> chmod +x
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<euank> You can see the manual method on this page for changing the interpreter if that is indeed the problem https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Packaging/Binaries
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<iqubic> Alright. Adding "gst_all_1.gst-plugins-base" to inputs fails because nix isn't expecting a period.
<LevelChart8> the first character is an "L"?
<euank> yes
<energizer> LevelChart8: are you running it with ./ProgramName ?
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<LevelChart8> Yes
<energizer> can you show us what happens if you `ls -l` and `./ProgramName `
<iqubic> So, what am I missing here?
<energizer> https://bpa.st/
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<euank> drakonis: I think if you don't chmod +x you get "permission denied" not "not found", while the dynamic linker missing leads to "file not found" errors
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<euank> hence why I'm guessing that the interpreter needs to be patchelf'd into the nix store
<drakonis> oh yeah sure
<iqubic> Well, this isn't working: http://dpaste.com/23YGT47
<iqubic> unexpected +
<euank> iqubic: yeah, there's two problems there
<euank> Firstly, you'd move the semicolon to the end if those were two things you could add
<euank> i.e. `foo = "asdf" + "bsdf";` not `foo = "asdf"; + "bsdf"`
<euank> so that's the syntax error
<euank> but secondly, you can't add those things. fetchFromGithub is not returning a string
<iqubic> Oh. I see.
<euank> I think `sourceRoot = "CasterSoundboard";` might be what you want, but I'd have to double check docs
<iqubic> I see.
<energizer> what kind of thing does fetchFromGitHub return?
<LevelChart8> energizer: https://pastebin.com/w9ExieAB
<euank> pretty sure it's a derivation for nix to evaluate
<energizer> LevelChart8: euank's suggestion sounds good
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<euank> LevelChart8: If you run `ldd ./TestProgram` and verify that the linker isn't being found, that'll let you know that's the problem
<LevelChart8> this? "hence why I'm guessing that the interpreter needs to be patchelf'd into the nix store"?
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<euank> The link to https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Packaging/Binaries is the most useful one I think
<LevelChart8> is that first character an "L"?
<euank> Yes, it's an l
<iqubic> Holy heck, this actually seems to be building now. Thanks everyone.
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<euank> Well, there's your problem :)
<LevelChart8> Which is?
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<energizer> all the 'not found's
<euank> The nixos wiki page I linked talks through exactly this. The "Manual Method" example talks about patching the interpreter (which is the first thing that's wrong), and then installing each of the "not found" libraries it expects
<iqubic> Well, I have an issue now. I have this derivation: http://dpaste.com/05H393H
<iqubic> Doesn't build because of this issue: http://dpaste.com/37XT2TR
<euank> The error you're getting right now is specifically from `/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2`
<LevelChart8> So those are all 3rd party packages that it requires.
<euank> the loader is set to a path that doesn't exist
<euank> and when you do `./Program`, linux reads that path and tries to execute it to run the elf binary
<euank> which doesn't work because that path doesn't exist, and that's the error you're getting
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<euank> So you need to patchelf that path, and then after that it'll complain with a more specific error about each .so file that's missing
<LevelChart8> Ok thank you.
<euank> and for each of those you just need to have the libraries available for the dynamic linker to find
<iqubic> Why is packaging this up so hard?
<euank> Again, the wiki page talks through this. Let me know if you don't understand something or run into an issue though with the wiki!
<iqubic> euank: I don't understand why qmake is failing.
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<euank> iqubic: if you post the expression you're trying to build I can look, but you should be able to do a little more debugging yourself
<iqubic> Here's the default.nix: http://dpaste.com/05H393H
<iqubic> Got it.
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<iqubic> sourceRoot = "source/CasterSoundboard";
<euank> Glad you figured it out :)
<iqubic> I need that to be "source/CasterSoundboard" and not "CasterSoundboard"
<iqubic> Now, how do I test that the built program is working properly?
<euank> if nix-build succeeds, it drops the outputs in `./result/...` (which is a symlink into the path in the store)
<euank> you can just run `./result/bin/whatever`
<energizer> does nixpkgs not require automated tests?
<iqubic> I did just run it. It seems to work.
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<euank> Nope. There's a smattering of tests, but from what I can tell the coverage is pretty low :(
<euank> You should write a test if you're up for it
<iqubic> I have no idea how to write a test for this.
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<euank> tbh, I only know about the nixos tests which largely seem to target modules and only incidentally test the packages those modules are for.
<euank> So I'm not sure at all about including tests for a non-nixos-module-thing. Maybe someone else can chime in
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<energizer> > (pkgs.writeShellScriptBin "hola" "${hello}/bin/hello").propagatedBuildInputs
<{^_^}> [ ]
<energizer> i thought hello would be there but it isn't
<energizer> > (pkgs.writeShellScriptBin "hola" "${hello}/bin/hello").overrideAttrs({propagatedBuildInputs = [hello];})
<{^_^}> attempt to call something which is not a function but a set, at /var/lib/nixbot/nixpkgs/master/repo/pkgs/stdenv/generic/make-derivation.nix:345:55
<energizer> what's wrong?
<iqubic> Oh dear.
<euank> energizer: overrideAttrs(old: { ... })
<iqubic> fatal: Authentication failed for 'https://github.com/IQubic/nixpkgs/'
<euank> recall it's a function that takes the previous attrs as an argument
<iqubic> What do I do now?
<energizer> > (pkgs.writeShellScriptBin "hola" "${hello}/bin/hello").overrideAttrs(old: {propagatedBuildInputs = [hello];}).propagatedBuildInputs
<{^_^}> value is a function while a set was expected, at (string):315:69
<energizer> iqubic: press the clone button on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs
<iqubic> I've done that already.
<euank> > ((pkgs.writeShellScriptBin "hola" "${hello}/bin/hello").overrideAttrs(old: {propagatedBuildInputs = [hello];})).propagatedBuildInputs
<{^_^}> [ <CODE> ]
<iqubic> the issue is that I don't remember my password.
<energizer> er i mean the fork button
<iqubic> I have forked it. That's not the issue.
<energizer> are you asking #nixos how to recover your password?
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<iqubic> Actually, what I want to do is tell git to use SSH authentication, instead of whatever it's currently using.
<euank> iqubic: it sounds like you're trying to push to an https checkout, not an ssh one. It's more secure to push to the ssh remote (git@github.com:user/repo.git)... And github also has docs on this, that problem's a generic git one, not really related to nixos
<iqubic> euank: I know.
<euank> git remote remove <name>; git remote add <name> git@github... but again, not nix related
<energizer> iqubic: i dont see your fork
<iqubic> It's that, isn't it?
<energizer> i coulda sworn that wasnt there a minute ago... :)
<euank> energizer: anyway, back to your buildInputs thing
<energizer> yeah i saw euank thanks
<iqubic> energizer: It's been there for the past 4 months.
<energizer> iqubic: i mustve typoed it
<euank> > (pkgs.writeShellScriptBin "hola" "${hello}/bin/hello").propagatedNativeBuildInputs
<{^_^}> [ ]
<euank> Oh, huh
<iqubic> Is it fine to have my upstream remote (NixOS/nixpkgs) as https?
<energizer> yes it's just annoying to type your password
<energizer> easier to use ssh
<iqubic> Yeah, but that requires me to remember my SSH passphrase.
<iqubic> I don't recall it.
<energizer> if your workspace is secure, perhaps write it down
<iqubic> It is secure. And I'd be willing to write it down. I just now need a way forward.
<euank> So hello not being in buildInputs at all makes sense since it's a runtime dependency, not a build dependency (given bash is an interpreted language)
<euank> And, well, runtime dependencies are just sorta implicitly figured out by scanning files for store paths, right?
<iqubic> So, how can figure this out?
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<energizer> you can use https or make a new ssh key i guess
<iqubic> I'd like to make a new ssh key, if possible.
<energizer> github has instructions for that
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<energizer> not nixos specific, just github.com
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<iqubic> Alright, so it turns out I was using the wrong password. I have like 6 that I use, and I tried 5 of them.
<iqubic> I've got it sorted out now.
<iqubic> Now, how do I make a PR?
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<energizer> button is front and center
<energizer> "new pull request"
<iqubic> Yeah. I figured that out.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @IQubic opened pull request #89714 → caster-soundboard: init at unstable-2019-9-28 → https://git.io/JfM4p
<iqubic> And done.
<energizer> iqubic: congrats
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<iqubic> Thanks to everyone who helped me get this done. I should be able to do this a lot easier next time.
<iqubic> I keep a personal log of what passwords I use where, and when I change them. I just checked said log, and it turns out I updated my SSH password about two weeks ago, and entirely forgot.
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<iqubic> And that log file is itself encrypted with GPG with a password I keep written on a sticky note using a cipher that I don't tell to anyone.
<quinn> iqubic: is there a particular reason you don't just use a password manager?
<iqubic> I really shouls switch to a password manager. I'm just worried that 3rd party companies will be stealing my info.
<quinn> keepassxc!
<quinn> (it uses a local db instead of a cloud service)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple opened pull request #89715 → anki: format to fix indentation → https://git.io/JfMBY
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<raghavsood> Does the standard nix-build process patch paths in all scenarios? The netdata package from unstable seems to compile with an openssl build input, but doesn't seem to want to use it at runtime: https://gist.github.com/RaghavSood/2cff96a557ab9907c79092a5166ccae3
<raghavsood> Actually, that seems to be originating from a script bundled with the binary
<raghavsood> The binary itself seems alright
<DigitalKiwi> bitwarden is great
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<DigitalKiwi> and you can self host the service if you really want
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<euank> raghavsood: for interpreted scripts, you either want the reference to openssl to be the full path (i.e. ${pkgs.openssl}/bin/openssl in the script text itself), or, if that's not viable, you can use a wrapper script for the script to add it to the script's PATH
<raghavsood> Yeah, just realized that the script they bundle with it isn't using a full path (although, it did seem to pick up the path to the netdata binary as a full path, not sure why it left openssl, curl, and a few others as standalones)
<iqubic> DigitalKiwi: I'm not sure why you thought I should make my PR two commits, but I did it anyways.
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<quinn> DigitalKiwi: have you used both? what would you say the big "pros" of bitwarden are
<DigitalKiwi> i used keepasxc before i used bitwarden
<DigitalKiwi> bitwarden is so much nicer
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<DigitalKiwi> i'm even the maintainer for the desktop version :P
<iqubic> Oh, nice.
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<quinn> DigitalKiwi: oh really? cool! i can google myself but if you want to i would be interested to hear why you switched
<DigitalKiwi> it works on all of my devices with keepassxc i had to use a bunch of hacks involving syncthing and dropbox and like 3 different apps
<DigitalKiwi> and it's just nicer UI/UX like keepassxc just always bugged me like it works ok but eh idk just always seemed clunky
<quinn> yeah it's kind of ugly qt. how is bitwarden in terms of setup and nixos integration? i have multiple "main" computers, and i like the way i can just keep a password file synced
<DigitalKiwi> bitwarden has a premium features for 10/yr which you don't need but i think is worth it and for less than most paid apps charge per month!
<DigitalKiwi> i'm not paid shill i just really like it :<
<quinn> i would also be self-hosting (or i guess buying a DO instance) i don't really like subscriptions
<quinn> would it be easy to sync the backend db/file with syncthing across multiple computers?
<raghavsood> Well, a wrapper script fixed the openssl issue, but now it turns out the nixpkgs version of netdata isn't compiled with cloud support anyways
<DigitalKiwi> the server handles the syncing
<raghavsood> Can also endorse bitwarden, we use it at work, 0 issues so far across
<quinn> DigitalKiwi: i have a desktop i leave at school and a laptop i bring with me, i would like to be able to run multiple instances or at least change the machine hosting my instance easily. is that feasible?
<raghavsood> Sharing is a bit counter intuitive compared to lastpass, but that's preferable for us since it discourages password sharing unless absolutely necessary
<quinn> alternatively, is it secure to expose to the open web or would i need to wrap it with a vpn?
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<DigitalKiwi> i haven't used the self hosted version so i can't comment much on that
<quinn> hmm, alright. thank you for the info dude!
<raghavsood> We use both hosted and self hosted; it is quite easy to migrate the self hosted version from one machine to another, just a simple restore backup
<quinn> DigitalKiwi++
<{^_^}> DigitalKiwi's karma now has 2 digits!
<quinn> raghavsood++ even better to hear, thank you very much for the info
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<DigitalKiwi> you can just log out and login with different account credentials but i'm not sure that's really convenient
<raghavsood> Provided you are using SSL, you shouldn't need a VPN to secure stuff - although you will need it if you want to enforce any kind of IP whitelisting (we use wireguard for the hosted instance, so only people on the company VPN can connect to it)
<DigitalKiwi> i mean if you were doing it repeatedly back and forth but yeah to use the self hosted or the 'default' you just log in with your own url
<quinn> DigitalKiwi: oh i mean switching between different machines for self hosting
<raghavsood> We just run two instances of chrome with separate data directories, so one instance runs inside a network namespace under wireguard, and connects to the self hosted one, while the regular chrome instance doesn't run under wireguard and connects to the public bitwarden
<raghavsood> Seems to work well enough with pretty minimal overhead
<quinn> raghavsood: wait does the self hosted sync itself with the public one?
<raghavsood> It does not - that's why we use two separate chromes - each bitwarden plugin can only sign into one instance at a time
<raghavsood> I'd say you can start with the hosted version, it's pretty easy to migrate from hosted to self hosted too -> Just export your data and import it
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<quinn> oh interesting, thank you
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @dependabot[bot] pushed to dependabot/npm_and_yarn/packages-explorer/websocket-extensions-0.1.4 « Bump websocket-extensions from 0.1.3 to 0.1.4 in /packages-explorer »: https://git.io/JfMgD
<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @dependabot[bot] opened pull request #460 → Bump websocket-extensions from 0.1.3 to 0.1.4 in /packages-explorer → https://git.io/JfMgy
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<piq9117> is this where i can ask about nixpkgs?
<euank> sure, shoot
<piq9117> cool. i'm getting this error when i do nix-shell `error: moving build output '/nix/store/x4w5lk9s5gz691yanpplqf9gskm6kldl-nixpkgs-72a2ced252348defc877bea0a8b551272c0be3f9' from the sandbox to the Nix store: Permission denied`
<piq9117> this is the project i'm trying to work with https://github.com/circuithub/ch-hs-imports
<piq9117> i think it's my system coz another person tried `nix-shell` on it and it went fine for him
<euank> Yeah, I assume that happens for every package you nix-shell, not just this one?
<euank> Every one that's not already in the nix-store
<euank> So, nix has two modes of install/operation: single-user installs and multi-user installs. For single-user, stuff in `/nix/store` will be owned by that single user, and in mult-user, it'll be owned by root and the nix-daemon will be running
<euank> If you check permissions in `/nix/store`, I suspect you'll find that ownership isn't right for a single-user install (i.e. everything isn't owned by your user)
<euank> If you want multiple users to use nix on the same machine, you probably want a multi-user install instead.
<piq9117> gotcha. Thanks!
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<pjt_014> is something up with hydra? It's kinda slow and aria2 is giving me weird errors with it
<pjt_014> "aria2c had to connect to the other side using an unknown TLS protocol. The integrity and confidentiality of the connection might be compromised."
<pjt_014> looks like the hashes match after my download is done, so that's not a problem at least
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl merged pull request #89218 → ocamlPackages.pa_test: remove at 112.24.00 → https://git.io/JfK5j
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh opened pull request #89723 → Python unstable → https://git.io/JfMwn
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @offlinehacker opened pull request #89724 → gocode-gomod: 2019-03-27 -> 1.0.0 → https://git.io/JfMwC
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<nixbitcoin> I'm building a Nextcloud instance that is supposed to handle some pretty sensitive data. Usually I would go for OpenBSD in such a project, but I've been fascinated by the ease and clarity of system administration with NixOS. Do you think NixOS is ready for use in such a security-critical project or should I wait and use something with a more solid security reputation like OpenBSD?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat merged pull request #89029 → sqlite: 3.31.1 -> 3.32.2 → https://git.io/JfrVG
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hrdinka merged pull request #68328 → np2kai: init at 0.86rev22 → https://git.io/JevZc
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<energizer> nixbitcoin: fwiw a lot of the professional nix people are probably asleep atm
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<nixbitcoin> Ok, I'll wait or ask the question again later if nobody responds :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat opened pull request #89728 → Revert "lua*Packages.cqueues: fixup darwin build" → https://git.io/JfMrS
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<simpson> nixbitcoin: What's your threat model? (Why are you more worried about the kernel than the userland, and in particular Nextcloud itself?)
<simpson> To opine a bit, you might find it more useful to figure out what to do *when* there is a security problem: How to upgrade, what to patch, what to cleanup.
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<jakob_rs> ... is it safe to interact directly with the Nix store with sudo without going through the daemon?
<jakob_rs> The daemon dies often enough that this is a problem.
<energizer> i dont think that's safe
<jakob_rs> Even when the daemon is dead?
<energizer> that's never happened to me
<jakob_rs> I mean, currently I'd just do nix build --store $PWD/.tmp-nix
<jakob_rs> It's happened a lot with me even when using the live usb so it can't be something I'm doing wrong; it's definitely a bug
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<energizer> perhaps report the bug if you can
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<jakob_rs> See #87818
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/87818 (by hyperfekt, 3 weeks ago, open): nix-env --install fails on installer ISO
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<ninjin> srhb: Finally took a few minutes to check a theory regarding to switching to a derivation over SSH. Turns out the switch takes place, but the boot loader (BIOS or UEFI) is not updated with the new entry. Thus when you reboot you get the behavior I described about a week ago.
<ninjin> Now to figure out why the heck it happens as from what I saw in the Nixops code it runs the very same code path…
<ninjin> It is also not a `/boot` disk space issue, that I have confirmed.
<clever> ninjin: is /boot/ correctly mounted when you deploy?
<ninjin> clever: I would think so, it is a live system. But how would I check?
<clever> ninjin: what does `df -h /boot/` report?
<ninjin> clever: “dev/nvme0n1p1 1021M 20M 1002M 2% /boot” << I think that is legit, no?
<clever> yeah, that looks right
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* ninjin messed up the leading “/” though…
<clever> what about `efibootmgr -v` ?
<ninjin> clever: Probably best to paste that somewhere, is there anything in particular I should look for? Also, is Pastebin still what people use these days?
<clever> i usually use gist for that
<ninjin> clever: Bah, you kids with your flying cars and gists ;P Here is a Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/R6x9YeXb
<immae> ninjin: Oh I had the same kind of symptoms just yesterday (But I was doing dirty things in libvirtd with nixops so I thought it was a mistake of mine), in my case I think it is related to the fact that I wanted to activate a configuration where I changed the underlying filesystem of / (or /boot not sure), are you in that situation too?
<clever> ninjin: are you currently using systemd-boot or grub?
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<ninjin> immae: Sorry to hear that, but good in a way not to be alone. I have not messed with the filesystem though and have seen this on three boxes so far. Two with UEFI and one with BIOS.
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<ninjin> clever: systemd-boot on the one I pasted.
<ninjin> Actually, maybe I did not see it on the BIOS one with GRUB… It was a few weeks ago.
<ninjin> Maybe it is only on the UEFI boxes.
<nixbitcoin> simpsons: My threat model: A remote attacker without user credentials. Credentialed users are trusted, and have strong passwords plus 2FA. Local attacks are mitigated because the box is in a secure datacenter and has hardware protections like AMD Secure Memory Encryption and an accelerometer to tell me if people are fucking with it.
<clever> grep bootloader /run/current-system/bin/switch-to-configuration -A2 | tail -n1
<clever> ninjin: what does this report?
<ninjin> clever: “system("/nix/store/savggb9b42pr0jrqjz0d6shbi213gbcb-systemd-boot-builder.py $out") == 0 or exit 1;”
<clever> yep, systemd, it should just work
<nixbitcoin> simpson: I'm not more worried about kernel than userland. But I think I've taken good care of userland by running a minimal system with strict firewalling and continuous updates. Now I'm moving on to Kernel and OS because I want to make the best choice there.
<betaboon> clever: i dont know if you read my msg a few days ago: thanks to your thoughts on the ro-nfsroot-issue i had, i ended up with a working solution (currently based on nfs) :) so thanks again
<clever> ninjin: do you have physical access, or is it cloud based?
<clever> betaboon: yep
<nixbitcoin> simpson: A big plus of OpenBSD is openbsd-httpd which is very minimal/well-reviewed.
<ninjin> clever: It is the desktop in my office, unfortunately it is on the other side of the planet as I am stuck abroad due to the pandemic.
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<clever> ninjin: the only thing i can think of, is that there is a magic key you can press at the systemd boot menu, to override the default option
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<clever> ninjin: let me see if i can dig it up...
<nixbitcoin> simpson: The HUGE plus of NixOS is the clarity of system administration and minimal deployments.
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<clever> ninjin: can you pastebin `ls -l /sys/firmware/efi/efivars` ?
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<simpson> nixbitcoin: It's Nextcloud. You'll need to update a few times per year just for their CVEs.
<clever> ninjin: and `blkid /dev/nvme0n1p1` as well
<nixbitcoin> simpson: Of course you need to update. Are they known for bad security practices?
<ninjin> clever: https://pastebin.com/PBPZ2Rjd << `ls -l /sys/firmware/efi/efivars`
<nixbitcoin> simpson: So your contention is "no need to worry about kernel stuff when you're running Nextcloud, which is the biggest security risk"?
<ninjin> clever: “/dev/nvme0n1p1: LABEL_FATBOOT="boot" LABEL="boot" UUID="EEE1-98E7" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="ESP" PARTUUID="e1bd346b-c02b-4a23-9ab4-b282f9b49d60"”
<clever> ninjin: uuid looks right
<clever> ninjin: cant remember the exact name systemd-boot used for its efi var, and nothing in the listing stands out
* ninjin is way out of his waters at this point, BIOS… sure… but UEFI…
<ninjin> clever: Could it be that the script somehow dies due to how the SSH session behaves?
<simpson> nixbitcoin: I think that that's a little black-and-white, but sure. Especially on isolated bare metal. However, you're *still* missing my point, which is that *because* vulnerabilities will likely happen in the future, one should value being able to cleanly update simply because it reduces the friction of patching.
<ninjin> I mean, things work just fine when I am not lifting things over with copy-closure.
<clever> boot.c: efivar_set(L"LoaderEntrySelected", entry->file, FALSE);
<energizer> 14 cves in the last 3 years, that's pretty high risk
<ninjin> But from what I could see in the Perl code it is set to ignore HUP.
<clever> ninjin: looks like line 48 is systemd related
<nixbitcoin> simpson: Can you elaborate on "clean updates"?
<clever> 728 /* store the selected entry in a persistent EFI variable */
<clever> 729 efivar_set(L"LoaderEntryDefault", config->entries[idx_highlight]->file, TRUE);
<clever> ninjin: ah, thats the one, and you dont have it, so thats not it
<nixbitcoin> energizer: Is there something better out there?
<energizer> nixbitcoin: what are your needs?
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<ninjin> clever: “cat /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderEntrySelected-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f” gives “nixos-generation-232”. Let me check what the latest one is.
<nixbitcoin> energizer: Client-side encrypted cloud storage.
<clever> ninjin: `nix-env --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/system --list-generations`
<nixbitcoin> energizer: One could also mitigate a bunch of security vulnerabilities by only allowing clients to access Nextcloud through a Wireguard tunnel
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<energizer> nixbitcoin: does it need to be self hosted?
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<energizer> i mean, does it need to run on servers you control
<nixbitcoin> energizer: yeah, but just out of interest what do you recommend that's not self-hosted?
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<nixbitcoin> energizer: "i mean, does it need to run on servers you control" What alternative are you thinking of?
<energizer> nixbitcoin: i haven't evaluated all the options so i wouldnt make a recommendation
<ninjin> clever: 232 is the latest according to the output, but it is the 19.09 release that I am trying to get rid of. So it seems the one I “pushed” did not register somehow.
<energizer> nixbitcoin: but for example S3 has a client side encryption option
<clever> ninjin: what happens when you `nixops deploy` ?
<ninjin> Sorry for the delay there, went through a bunch of symlinks to check what state the box was in.
<nixbitcoin> energizer: Can it be accessed from mobile devices?
<nixbitcoin> simpson: Would really like to hear more about "clean updates"
<energizer> nixbitcoin: i would expect so, haven't tried it myself
<ninjin> clever: Ah, I do not run Nixops. I just have `nix-build` -> `nix-copy-closure` -> `ssh -t sudo switch-to-configuration switch` in a Makefile.
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<simpson> nixbitcoin: Just, like, how much effort goes into the update? Are deploys hard? The idea of "mise en place" might be helpful.
<ninjin> Which as far as I can tell is what Nixops is “at its core”.
<clever> ninjin: that never updates the system profile
<immae> ninjin: hmm that’s not enough is it?
<clever> ninjin: you want nix-env --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/system --set ${something}
<clever> ninjin: systemd-boot generates a menu, based on the generations in system
<ninjin> clever and immae: Oh… Blast… I probably got srhb wrong back in the day then. >.<
<clever> ninjin: some bootloaders in nixos deal with the missing generation better then others
<clever> ninjin: it might be a grub vs systemd-boot bug
<nixbitcoin> simpson: Sounds very convincing. I just love the idea of having my whole system laid out cleanly as .nix files
<simpson> Then do that.
<ninjin> clever: Good grief, I am just happy I did not bork any system…
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* ninjin is still learning, well, messing up mostly…
<clever> ninjin: i started out by making a usb stick that booted on both x86 and rpi, with the same configuration.nix
<nixbitcoin> simpson: I've done this stuff before with OpenBSD but going through the whole install and config process every time is such a pain, especially when doing in a professional environment. I'm going to do it with NixOS.
<nixbitcoin> simpson & energizer: Thank you for the input <3
<ninjin> clever: Nix has this wonderful effect on you do to mad things that you otherwise would not, no? =)
<ninjin> clever: Sorry to have lead you on that wild goose chase by the way.
<clever> yeah :D
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<ninjin> clever: I will look into `nix-env --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/system --set` once I have guarded the baby for a bit. I suppose that it is what is called with `nixos-rebuild switch` in the background?
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<clever> ninjin: nixos-rebuild is a shell script that will nix-build, nix-env --set, and then run switch-to-configuration
<clever> ninjin: and nixops just tweaks the nix-build step to build multiple machines at once, and throws a copy-closure in the middle
<ninjin> clever: Thanks a ton, should have read it rather than dig into Perl. >.<
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<ninjin> It is all so elegant and simple once you dig into it, although it does not stop me from messing up at times. ;P
<clever> ninjin: ive also found new and fun uses for nix-env --set
<clever> nix-env -p /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/rpi3-netboot -f not-os/release.nix -A rpi_image -I nixpkgs=./nixpkgs/ --set
<clever> ninjin: this will load a release.nix, build a certain attr, and assign the result to a rpi3-netboot profile
<clever> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Apr 7 2019 /tftproot/55a4377c -> /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/rpi3-netboot
<clever> ninjin: and the rpi will use this prefix when it tries to fetch things at netboot, so it uses the profile
<clever> if i ever break something, i can just --rollback that profile, and it will boot once more
<clever> no need to swap SD cards to repair things
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<{^_^}> [docker] @prusnak opened pull request #20 → Update to nix 2.3.6 → https://git.io/JfMiy
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<Siyo> Is it possible to generate `programs.sqlite` for command-not-found through a NixOS configuration somehow?
<Siyo> I know I can do it through nix-channel --update, but I don't really use channels because I provision through NixOps, so that seems wrong
<clever> Siyo: you could set nixops to use a specific revision of a channel, and then deploy that to the /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels profile...
<clever> Siyo: when you try to download a channel, you get a 301 redirect to a tar for that specific version
<clever> so you could pin nixops with `nixops modify -I nixpkgs=https://releases.nixos.org/nixos/unstable/nixos-20.09pre228204.467ce5a9f45/nixexprs.tar.xz`
<clever> and that tar contains a pre-made programs.sqlite
<Siyo> cool, I think that's perfect, I'll try it out
<Siyo> thanks!
<clever> next, you need to use nix-env --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels -i ${something}, against a derivation with the right name and with the right contents
<clever> that would emulate nix-channel --update
<clever> and if you use pkgs.path, it will be the same nixpkgs your building with, which would be the above pin
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# nix-env -q --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/
<clever> nixos-20.03pre202088.e89b21504f3
<clever> nix-env thinks the channel is just a package by the name of nixos
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<Siyo> the db is actually already there, so I could just set programs.command-not-found.dbPath = <nixexprs/programs.sqlite> I think
<clever> that would also work
<clever> it didnt have that option last i looked
<clever> so if you did something like `something = pkgs.runCommand "nixos-123" {} "mkdir $out; ln -sv ${pkgs.path} $out/nixos"`
<clever> you could then use it with the above -i $[something}
<clever> Siyo: if your not going to use channels at all, you can instead use this to make <nixpkgs> still map to the right thing on the server
<Siyo> oh that's a good idea, I really should be doing that yeah
<Siyo> it works!
<Siyo> thanks a bunch
<clever> yep
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<betaboon> anyone knows how this happened? nixpkgs-unstable-armv7l wen from over 15k success to 152 within two builds https://hydra.nixos.org/eval/1585247 https://hydra.nixos.org/eval/1586194
<lassulus> seems like it tried to build on a wrong builder? but not sure why
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<gordon1> hi
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<gordon1> i’m installing a new machine, with an almost identical system to my current one. I have a python script using the psutil library. It works on my current computer (i didn’t write a derivation for this script), and the python module is imported successfully. However, in my new system, i can’t get python3 to import it (i have `python37.withPackages` with psutil, and also `python37Packages.psutil`)
<gordon1> but my current working system doesn’t even have psutil :/
<gordon1> declared in configuration.nix
<gordon1> so what am i missing? How can my current system get that lib and not the new one?
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<symphorien> did you installer another python with nix-env ?
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<gordon1> `nix-env -q` shows two python-related packages, but no psutil nor a different python installation
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<symphorien> try with sudo as well
<symphorien> every user has a different profile
<gordon1> i don’t have any package in the root profile
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<symphorien> can you paste you configuration.nix (relevant parts at least)
<wavirc22> Is there a more time efficient way develop with golang on nix. I'm using `buildGoModule` but find it takes a very long time (minutes!). I'm used to go's build cache which is very quick (a second).
<symphorien> can you check that `which python` points to /run/current-system/sw/bin ?
<symphorien> wavirc22: I never tried go, but does `nix-shell -p go` works ?
<wavirc22> symphorein: Unfortunately no. The env is trying to do things in the /nix/store. eg. "/nix/store/...-go-1.14.1/go/pkg/mod: read-only file system"
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<wavirc22> symphorien: Neat, it does work :) It's me that doesn't work :P
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<bqv> hey, who was it here who used C# on nix
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<angerman> nixops doesn't automatically make a machine available as a remote builder does it? And I'll still have to deal with name/ip resolution, right?
<clever> angerman: on darwin, it used to add the remote machind as a builder, so you could build linux stuff, but multi-user nix (with a nix-daemon) breaks that
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<clever> angerman: and yeah, youll need to deal with the ip and dns yourself, enless your using something like the aws backend
<angerman> clever: how is the aws backend differen? using elastic ip?
<clever> angerman: the aws backend can use route53 to update an entry in a hosted zone
<clever> so it can setup a dns record for you
<angerman> hmm... that might work, would be nasty to deal with the chaning host key though :D
<angerman> all I'm doing is spinning up aarch64 spot instances for ~1h, and then kill them again until two days later when I need a remote builder agai.
<clever> heard of the aarch64 community box?
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<angerman> yea... not sure I'd want to build on that :D
<angerman> *but* my key hasn't got merged either.
<clever> ah
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<clever> yeah, i see your PR
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<clever> angerman: oh, have you seen the hydra provisioning scripts?
<angerman> I don’t think I follow?
<clever> let me find it...
<angerman> you mean the autoscaler?
<clever> yeah
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<clever> that will use nixops to dynamically create a machine, based on load and config, and destroy it afterwards
<clever> and auto-register it for use by hydra
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<angerman> yea, that's pretty much what I want for nix-build somewhat transparently. Well really for nixops when provisioning rpis and such
<clever> you dont really have to deal with dns, you just need the ip and pubkey in /etc/nix/machines
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<angerman> yea, I'd need to automate that somehow.
<angerman> well, will need to experiment with that another day.
<angerman> clever: also where is that on macos? :D
<clever> the main difference, is that hydra accepts a list of files in the /etc/nix/machines format
<clever> while nix only accepts one by default, still at that path
<angerman> ~/.config/nix/machines?
<clever> still /etc/nix
<clever> angerman: `nix show-config | grep builders` says where it will look
<clever> you might be able to use nix.conf to do @/foo @/bar, to load 2 files at once
<angerman> Ahh. I'll also need to set builders-use-substitutes = true.
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<clever> yeah, if you dont set that, youll upload everything to the builder, after downloading it
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<angerman> one really weird thing I noticed recenty was that apparently every application I start from within the nix store has a delay. I wonder if that's because it's on an external disk or if there is some additional malware detection going on, I did prevent apple from calling home, but it appears there's something more going on.
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<clever> angerman: i saw a blog post before, about how apple is doing network IO the first time you run a new binary
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<clever> angerman: and how turning the wifi off makes programs run faster
<clever> as an example, they made a shell script, that would dynamically create more shell scripts, run them, then delete
<clever> and it runs massively slower with the wifi on
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #89515 → qgroundcontrol: 3.5.5 -> 4.0.8 → https://git.io/JfXFA
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #88457 → renderdoc: 1.7 -> 1.8 → https://git.io/JfgcN
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh closed pull request #88557 → fontforge: CVE-2020-5395, CVE-2020-5496 → https://git.io/Jf2qN
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #87890 → fitnesstrax: derivation bugfix → https://git.io/JfR8T
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<angerman> clever: yea. I fear something else must be going on as well. Maybe it’s apfs on the usb3 ssd. I get 5-10s delays.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl opened pull request #89741 → coqPackages.flocq: 3.2.0 → 3.3.1 → https://git.io/JfMDN
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #89633 → snippetpixie: 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 → https://git.io/Jf1FF
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<gordon1> symphorien: sorry for the delay. On my new system, `which python3` correctly links to current-system. But in the current one (the one that have psutil), it’s directly from the nix store
<clever> gordon1: sounds like your in a nix-shell that provides python3
<gordon1> but i’m not
<clever> gordon1: what does `echo $PATH` say?
<gordon1> "/nix/store/55b9ip7xkpimaccw9pa0vacy5q94f5xa-python3-3.7.6/bin" in the first position, then my usual path…
<gordon1> hm no, not my usual path
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<clever> gordon1: and what does `ps` report? are there multiple bashes?
<gordon1> not a single one, i’m using zsh
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #88977 → wrangler: 1.9.1 -> 1.9.2 → https://git.io/Jfwd2
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh pushed 5 commits to master: https://git.io/JfMyZ
<clever> gordon1: do you have anything weird like python support enabled in zsh?
<gordon1> yes
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #88978 → speech-denoiser: fixup prefix → https://git.io/JfwdH
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh pushed commit from @magnetophon to master « speech-denoiser: fixup prefix »: https://git.io/JfMyW
<clever> gordon1: does `which zsh` point towards a shell script?
<gordon1> no, to current-system
<clever> gordon1: read the file its pointing to
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh closed pull request #88261 → pythonPackages.atomicwrites: 1.3.0 -> 1.4.0 → https://git.io/JfzyW
<gordon1> /nix/store/[…]-zsh-5.7.1/bin/zsh: ELF 64-bit LSB executable
<clever> not sure then
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<buffet> i always forget, what was the command to get a depencies for building a package from nixpkgs again?
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<fps> buffet: nix-shell?
<buffet> `nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' -A pkg` apparently
<buffet> so i didnt misremember, it just doesnt work
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SCOTT-HAMILTON opened pull request #89743 → Lokalize: Init at 19.12.3 → https://git.io/JfMSH
<fps> buffet: how does it not work?
<buffet> dunno, tried to get the build deps for sway (`nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' -A sway`), but apparently i didnt get meson
<buffet> fps, i just ended up copying the default.nix over and working with that
<fps> buffet: try sway-unwrapped
<fps> hmm, interesting. meson is not among the buildInputs. but among the arguments for the expression
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple merged pull request #89727 → ocamlPackages.sexplib_p4: remove → https://git.io/JfMrE
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matt-snider opened pull request #89750 → vimPlugins.investigate-vim: init at 2020-02-29 → https://git.io/JfM7u
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #89700 → cargo-tarpaulin: 0.13.2 -> 0.13.3 → https://git.io/JfMth
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<chloekek> So cool I can just call pkgsCross.avr.stdenv.mkDerivation to build for microcontroller.
<clever> chloekek: yep, ive done that with my thermostat firmware
<chloekek> clever: What do you use to put the program on the chip’s memory?
<clever> chloekek: avrdude
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<clever> chloekek: this is enough to just nix-build the firmware
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<clever> chloekek: and this is how i used to program things, before nix got involved: https://github.com/cleverca22/thermostat_firmware/blob/master/Makefile#L35-L38
<chloekek> clever: Thanks I’ll check that out. Seems to work with a bunch of programmers.
<chloekek> clever: Ha nice.
<clever> and the programmer i'm using....
<chloekek> Haven’t done embedded in years, and only using Arduino IDE (shudders)
<clever> chloekek: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/14 is the programmer i used
<clever> i had also made a parallel port one at one point
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Nadrieril opened pull request #89751 → boot: fix order of arguments for `hasPrefix` → https://git.io/JfM7b
<chloekek> I’ll probably look for an USB one.
<chloekek> Don’t have that kind of port anymore.
<clever> chloekek: and i was using https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8508 to convert the 6pin to a wide 6x1, for breadboard usage
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<clever> chloekek: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8702 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11801 i do see some usb ones, but ive not tried them personally
<chloekek> Thanks. I’ll find something. :)
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<clever> chloekek: the main difference with the arduino boards (and some pre-flashed chips), is that they have a bootloader on them
<clever> chloekek: that allows the chip to reflash itself, and then you talk to it over plain serial
<chloekek> Yeah, but I don’t think I’ll be using that. I also want to program some EEPROMs so I’ll just get a programmer that supports a variety of chips.
<Thra11> Is there a 'special' way to set an environment variable for the build phase, or do I just do something like `preBuild = "export VAR=something"`?
<clever> chloekek: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10524 this chip has a bootloader pre-programmed onto it
<chloekek> Thra11: Any arguments you pass to mkDerivation become env vars. This is e.g. how src is communicated to the unpack phase.
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<clever> chloekek: ive also made a custom i2c based bootloader once before (long since lost it), which would allow reflashing over i2c
<chloekek> clever: If you put the chip into a programmer, do you need a bootloader though? You need the programmer to put the bootloader on it in the first place (unless you buy pre-installed).
<clever> chloekek: if you use a programmer, you can bypass the bootloader, and just flash whatever you want
<chloekek> Neat.
<clever> for most AVR chips, the programmer talks to it by just driving SPI into the chip, while the reset pin is held low
<clever> there is a fuse to make reset be gpio instead of reset, but then you cant use reset to enter programming mode anymore
<clever> that can be fixed with a highvoltage programmer (only 12v) but some programmers dont support it
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ekleog pushed commit from @symphorien to release-20.03 « epkowa: fix parsing of interpreters (#82909) (#89506) »: https://git.io/JfM5Y
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ekleog merged pull request #89751 → boot: fix order of arguments for `hasPrefix` → https://git.io/JfM7b
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ekleog pushed commit from @Nadrieril to master « boot: fix order of arguments for `hasPrefix` (#89751) »: https://git.io/JfM5s
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ekleog pushed commit from @Nadrieril to release-20.03 « boot: fix order of arguments for `hasPrefix` (#89751) »: https://git.io/JfM5G
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<chloekek> clever: Goodbye
<Thra11> chloekek: Does that work when using things like buildRustPackage instead of calling mkDerivation directly?
<chloekek> No idea, depends on the function.
<Thra11> I can't find the actual definition of buildRustPackages anywhere. It's rather obfuscated.
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<b42> Thra11: grep for "buildRustPackage =" --> pkgs/build-support/rust/default.nix
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @lukegb opened pull request #89752 → reuse: 0.7.0 -> 0.11.0 → https://git.io/JfM5K
<Thra11> b42: Thanks. I'd tried grepping for it and got distracted by the other stuff in build-support/rust
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut merged pull request #89469 → Electron update → https://git.io/JfXW1
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<emilsp> is there a morph like tool that can deal with different target architectures?
<infinisil> emilsp: Can morph not do that?
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<emilsp> infinisil: seemingly it's trying to build an x86 kernel when I try to build an image for my raspberry pi. Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that the target architecture would be inferred
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<hsngrmpf[m]> Is there any possibility to fix a steam game which overwrites LD_LIBRARY_PATH on its own and therefore breaks the FHSUserEnv. I know I can use patchelf, but this will break as soon as the game is updated by steam.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hax404 opened pull request #89754 → jool: 4.0.5 -> 4.0.9 → https://git.io/JfMFO
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<Thra11> chloekek++: Thanks for your help btw. It seems buildRustPackage just calls mkDerivation, so it does work there as well.
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<chloekek> Thra11: That’s amazing!!!
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<keithy[m]> Hi guys, I am nixos, from the unstable branch. How can I pin back a couple of packages to stable?
<keithy[m]> * Hi guys, I am running nixos, from the unstable branch. How can I pin back a couple of packages to stable?
<alexarice[m]> keithy: you can probably follow the instructions for getting a package from unstable on a stable branch but in reverse
<alexarice[m]> ,unstable
<keithy[m]> Do I have to add channels manually?
<alexarice[m]> yes
<infinisil> emilsp: I myself am working on another deployment tool ( https://github.com/Infinisil/nixus ), which newly works for different arches, as tested by lovesegfault :)
<keithy[m]> can I configure nixPath in configuration.nix?
<infinisil> emilsp: Though it's very experimental, I wouldn't recommend using it for critical things
<keithy[m]> but it wond be defined in time to use it?
<keithy[m]> * but it wont be defined in time to use it?
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<alexarice[m]> keithy: I believe you can but I have never tried
<alexarice[m]> usually with things like that you need to run rebuild twice
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<emilsp> infinisil: cool, I'll have a look! I think the issue was that I wasn't specifying `nixpkgs.localSystem.system = "aarch64-linux";`for the specific host. But not it fails to compile cpupower because it's on x86 :/
<keithy[m]> lets give it a go
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @wamserma opened pull request #89755 → luxcorerender: dependency: python35 -> python36 → https://git.io/JfMF9
<keithy[m]> no way do I believe that actually worked!
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<keithy[m]> wow it did!
<lovesegfault> infinisil++
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<keithy[m]> ok, openresty is working in stable, but broken in unstable. Where does one register this brokenness
<alexarice[m]> github issues keithy:
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<keithy[m]> OK, I found this https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/89342 when or how can I expect this to filter through to unstable?
<{^_^}> #89342 (by JJJollyjim, 5 days ago, open): openresty: make compatible with nixos nginx module
<keithy[m]> Ah IC its awaiting review
<jakobrs> How "fast" (ish) are the Hydra build machines?
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<jakobrs> I mean so that I'll know if a 1 hour build is even worth attempting on my own machine.
<drakonis> quite fast
<drakonis> you only gotta wait until it advances to your commit or past it
<jakobrs> I mean in terms of processor speed
<jakobrs> As in, build time
<nbp> Do we have an equivalent of writeScript for python?
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<pbogdan> nbp: pkgs.writers.writePython{2,3} maybe? can't say I actually used those..
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<adit[m]> Hey folks, I had a bit of trouble with kubernetes on nixos and I'd previously had a great experience with k3s. Decided to try using k3s on nixos and it works brilliantly.
<adit[m]> Didn't do a great job writing stuff up, but I figured its better than nothing
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #86163 → Gnome and Pantheon: install nixos wallpapers → https://git.io/Jfqjq
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #89763 → [20.03] Gnome and Pantheon: install nixos wallpapers → https://git.io/JfMNy
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<nbp> pbogdan: thanks! That seems to be exactly what I need, except that I made my own in the mean time. I will switch to this one later on.
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<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/dcb64ea42e6 (from 2 days ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-unstable)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @flokli merged pull request #89565 → chromium: add rtc_use_pipewire → https://git.io/Jf1wT
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<asbachb> I guess opening a port for only a specific ip needs to be setup with `networking.firewall.extraCommands`?
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<stigo> asbachb: you could use the `ferm` package for example.
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<asbachb> stigo: Wasn't aware of ferm. Thanks.
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<asbachb> Am I the only one which is not 100% happy with the new search bar on main site?
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<samueldr> no
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @romildo opened pull request #89765 → qsudo: init at 2020.03.27 → https://git.io/JfMAn
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @joachimschmidt557 opened pull request #461 → add missing <span class="nix-command">s → https://git.io/JfMAC
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hyperfekt opened pull request #89766 → nym: 0.6.0 -> 0.7.0 → https://git.io/JfMAp
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<someone92> hiya
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<someone92> Does anyone know if NixOS has a way to install without systemd?
<someone92> I thought I heard about that once upon a time
<cole-h> Not yet, no.
<someone92> ah
<someone92> Is it something being worked on?
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<someone92> I'm in the NixOS installer but not sure if it's worth installing atm because of systemd, but if it's something coming soon that won't require reinstalling the system anyway then maybe it's worth installing!
<gchristensen> someone92: not really
<someone92> ah ok
<someone92> thank you both cole-h & gchristensen
<cole-h> ashkitten (ping) is interested in this, I believe, but I don't see anything happening anytime soon.
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<someone92> how can we contribute?
<someone92> this would be a great thing to have
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<drakonis> hmm
<someone92> nixos is super cool
<drakonis> nixos without systemd is a fun experiment
<drakonis> only that someone has to do it in a meaningful way
<someone92> what does "do it" entail?
<someone92> if someone wanted to contribute...
<drakonis> providing suitable replacements for nixos bits that use systemd
<dermetfan> this and some github issue are unfortunately the only times I've seen systemd mentioned: https://www.mail-archive.com/nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl/msg34206.html
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<drakonis> oh man
<gchristensen> someone92: it'd probably take a lot of experimentation and research. nixos is pretty significantly built around systetmd right now
<drakonis> that post
<someone92> ah
<drakonis> i nearly forgot
<someone92> I'm in the same situation as that person tbh
<cole-h> I'd guess that things would need to be properly and exhasutively abstracted away so that one could drop in systemd, openrc, sysvinit, etc
<someone92> I'm monokrome fyi
<someone92> just in a web chat from the nixos live cd
<cole-h> Along with loads of experimentation and research as gchristensen notes
<drakonis> i see
<drakonis> cole-h: svanderburg was doing that a while ago
<cole-h> Yep
<gchristensen> someone92: any sort of project to go systemd-less is probably so naescant to not really be called a project right now
<drakonis> doing a systemd-less setup would open doors for other inits
<drakonis> if it can reasonably replace the systemd specific parts
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<someone92> So, it's basically replacing each systemd bit and the modifying the DSL to be more generic?
<drakonis> hmm
<drakonis> sure sure
<someone92> or is there more?
<drakonis> that'd be it
<someone92> ah
<cole-h> But I don't think it would be as simple as you make it out to be
<drakonis> it isnt so simple in practice
<someone92> maybe not that much if there's a way to do a codemod to update existing packages and alias old configs
<someone92> although I doubt there are codemod tools for nix lol
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<drakonis> codemod?
<drakonis> well
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<drakonis> those things do exist
<someone92> codemods are tools that let you write code that adjusts ASTs
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<someone92> so that you don't have to use your text editor to refactor
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<someone92> we used them a lot at Airbnb but haven't seen them a lot elsewhere
<drakonis> hm, neat.
<drakonis> we have a tree sitter implementation for nix
<someone92> but, like, when there's a ton of teams that need to update repos it's sometimes nice
<someone92> ah cool
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<someone92> well thanks yall
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ma27 merged pull request #89684 → sbt: 1.3.10 -> 1.3.12 → https://git.io/JfMUF
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar opened pull request #89767 → lua.pkgs.pulseaudio: Move from generated to lua-packages.nix → https://git.io/JfMxw
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @1000101 opened pull request #89768 → ninvaders: init at 0.1.2 → https://git.io/JfMxr
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #89742 → rls: set RUST_SRC_PATH → https://git.io/JfMyA
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut merged pull request #89768 → ninvaders: init at 0.1.2 → https://git.io/JfMxr
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<gcoakes[m]> Hey, I'm hoping someone here can help me with something. I'm trying to do string expansion on a file using builtins.readFile. Is that possible?
<gcoakes[m]> Specifically, I have an xmonad.hs and I want to hardcode `"${kitty}/bin/kitty"` into that file, but then read it in my nix config.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ma27 merged pull request #89681 → [20.03] borgbackup: 1.1.11 -> 1.1.13 → https://git.io/JfMUK
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ma27 pushed 2 commits to release-20.03: https://git.io/JfMpW
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @1000101 opened pull request #89770 → formatting: fix missing leading whitespace → https://git.io/JfMpz
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar closed pull request #87136 → pantheon.elementary-icon-theme: Fix build with Inkscape 1.0 → https://git.io/Jfnfc
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<energizer> gcoakes[m]: i think the usual idiom is substituteAll with @kitty@ https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/#ssec-stdenv-functions
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<gcoakes[m]> And, I would turn it into a derivation which will `readFile` the xmonad.hs from the local directory, and substituteAll in the buildPhase?
<energizer> i think someone else can help better than i
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple merged pull request #89770 → formatting: fix missing leading whitespace → https://git.io/JfMpz
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple pushed commit from @1000101 to master « formatting: fix missing leading whitespace »: https://git.io/JfMpp
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<MarkRBM> Hi could someone point me in the right direction for fixing my issues with gnupg. I am on the 20.03 channel and have installed the gnupg package. I am trying to run `--full-gen-key` but when I get to the enter password stage I get an error the there is no `pinentry` available, I have tried installing this package manually but it did not help
<gcoakes[m]> You need a pinentry program available in your profile. Try doing `nix-shell -p pinentry-curses` and then generating the key from there. I don't know if that will work, but that would be the first place I would start.
<cole-h> MarkRBM: You probably need to setup gpg-agent: https://nixos.org/nixos/options.html#programs.gnupg.agent
<gcoakes[m]> Oop, I guess I'm wrong.
<gcoakes[m]> I would have figured that would be started by socket activation.
<cole-h> And how do those sockets get there? ;^)
<gcoakes[m]> Yeah, I just haven't messed with my gpg config in a while.
<cole-h> It does work by socket activation. But you needs the sockets there in the first place. Therefore, you need to enable the agent, which will cause NixOS to create sockets and services for it.
<MarkRBM> thanks will have a look at that link
<MarkRBM> ah this looks promising, thanks
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<ldlework> What allows you to map a list to an attrset?
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<ldlework> oh right
<risson> Wouldn't a plain map do the trick?
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<infinisil> ldlework: genAttrs
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<ldlework> ya
<ldlework> thx
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @AndersonTorres merged pull request #89603 → tiny8086: update source and build script → https://git.io/Jf19g
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj opened pull request #89772 → dnschain: remove → https://git.io/JfMji
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<ldlework> Is there a way to get nix repl to print the string with newlines and stuff not escaped?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj opened pull request #89773 → ncdns: init at 0.0.10.3 → https://git.io/JfMjX
<LnL> kind of if you use builtins.trace
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @numinit opened pull request #89775 → WIP: Update androidenv to allow duplicate package names and custom package definitions → https://git.io/JfMjD
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #89667 → picard-tools: 2.22.8 -> 2.22.9 → https://git.io/JfMvI
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #89597 → cq-editor: 0.1RC2 -> 0.1.1 → https://git.io/Jf1Sa
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @paperdigits opened pull request #89776 → Release 20.03 → https://git.io/JfMjb
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @paperdigits closed pull request #89776 → Release 20.03 → https://git.io/JfMjb
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<iqubic> So, after I open a PR, how long does it usually take to be pulled into nixpkg?
<energizer> somewhere between hours and months iqubic
<iqubic> Oh. So it might be a long time before my caster-soundboard PR gets pulled?
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<energizer> iqubic: yes. there are periodically threads like https://discourse.nixos.org/t/prs-ready-for-review/3032
<iqubic> I'm fine waiting, since I can just install this program locally on my machine.
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<energizer> iqubic: usually it just takes someone who feels like reviewing it in their free time, afaik there's no procedure to ensure this happens eventually
<energizer> `--builders ssh://foo` says "Copying /nix/store/... from ..." but when i look at my system bandwidth i see 18Kb/s Rx. if i manually pipe data over ssh from that host it's in the MB/s. what could be going wrong?
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<kaliumxyz> how does nixops work if it does not change the nix configuration on the server?
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<energizer> kaliumxyz: #nixops might know better
<kaliumxyz> thanks
<cransom> you don't have to have a configuration.nix for the system state to change.
<energizer> maybe this is my issue https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/2246
<{^_^}> nix#2246 (by johanot, 1 year ago, open): nix copy to ssh is sometimes very slow
<energizer> tho this is copying from not to
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<kaliumxyz> cransom but how does it do it?
<energizer> kaliumxyz: probably it just changes the /run/current-system link
<energizer> (thats just a guess)
<energizer> and maybe changes /boot stuff
<cransom> nixos-rebuild is fairly readable shell script you can look at. the --build-target option is also available if you never needed to do all the things nixops does
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<energizer> is anybody working on improving nix/nixos/nixpkgs full time?
<samueldr> many people through their job end up doing that, energizer, some more fuller than others, but specifically only that, I'm not sure
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<energizer> there's a long tail of issues that i fear will never be addressed. i wonder if patreon could support a full-time nix/os/pkgs person
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<energizer> who could fix things that won't otherwise get fixed
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<samueldr> this sounds a big vague
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<energizer> in the last 48 hours ive hit two issues that i think are nix bugs that have open issues for years. i imagine this happens to most users, just with a different set of unusual bugs for each person
<simpson> Survivorship bias. Old open bugs are going to be much more difficult to handle; if they were easier, they'd already be done. Which ones?
<energizer> companies dont contract out for those long-tail quality issues
<simpson> ,prs
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<energizer> nixos isn't my occupational focus, i want it to just work, but i'll be happy to make regular payments in service of that goal
<samueldr> are you sure companies don't contract out for those long-tail issues?
<energizer> no
<energizer> but any company will only hit a small number of them. the point is there are a lot of issues that few people hit
<samueldr> though I guess it can be the other way around, no one _individual_ wants to, or can pay what it could cost
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<gchristensen> I don't know of anything like that, energizer
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer closed pull request #69361 → systems/parse.nix: use split builtin if available → https://git.io/JeGve
<gchristensen> I've not really seen bug bounties work out before -- but maybe it could
<energizer> yeah i've not been thrilled with bountysource
<energizer> patreon does seem to work for niche projects with committed users
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer closed pull request #69168 → [WIP] Add hardware.enableAllUdevRules → https://git.io/Je3dd
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<alienpirate5> question: is there any way to globally override some libraries, so one set of libraries is used at build time, and the other set is used at run time?
<alienpirate5> context: I would like to use pipewire's pulse emulation libraries, but still have the apps built with libpulse
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<alienpirate5> infinisil: how would I do that to every package pulling in libpulse?
<infinisil> Potentially by applying this to your system derivation itself
<alienpirate5> How?
<infinisil> No idea, never done it, and I kind of doubt it will work
<infinisil> I'll see if I can get an idea
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jbedo opened pull request #89778 → spades: add python dependency → https://git.io/JfDv2
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<infinisil> Oh!
<infinisil> Turns out somebody already figured it out
<alienpirate5> ooo
<alienpirate5> i'll try it right now
<alienpirate5> the derivation name length is different... strange
<alienpirate5> pipewire-libs and libpulseaudio are the same length (13)
<jtojnar> alienpirate5: including version?
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<alienpirate5> oh
<alienpirate5> i'll have to look at that
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<alienpirate5> yep, i need to shorten it by one character
<alienpirate5> it seems to work now
<alienpirate5> changed the `pname` from `pipewire-libs` to `pipewirelibs`
<jtojnar> also you might probably need to create a frankenmonster of pulseaudio with libpulse just replaced, in case some package expects other files than just libpulse
<alienpirate5> that seems annoying
<jtojnar> and also not forget to replace pulseaudioFull and libpulseaudio
<alienpirate5> i'm only replacing libpulseaudio so far
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<jtojnar> we really need to clean up the pulseaudio package into multiple output derivation so it can be as easy as replacing pulseaudio.lib
<alienpirate5> aaa it works!!
<emilsp> hrm, what how do I query the default value of nixpkgs.localSystem?
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<alienpirate5> i still need to manually change around the graph in qjackctl to make it stop outputting audio into my microphone but that's a pipewire issue
<alienpirate5> apps now start without any problems
<alienpirate5> gnome broke lmao
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<energizer> is there a channel for morph?
<emilsp> energizer: don't really know, but I'll check alis
<energizer> why is morph prompting me for password? https://bpa.st/H2EQ
<energizer> #nixos-morph
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<energizer> ah, probably because i asked it to prompt me...
<emilsp> energizer: it's asking for the password for the SSH key used to connect to the host
<energizer> --passwd