<worldofpeace>
lovesegfault: awesome, I've been using that as well. Lollypop is the best hotness
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[nixpkgs] @nh2 opened pull request #76562 → nixosTests.graphite: port to python and mark as broken → https://git.io/Jeb91
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<day|flip>
lollypop is not a bad pop song too ^.~
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #76521 → mate.mate-control-center: look for system themes in system data dirs → https://git.io/JebBt
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JebHw
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<worldofpeace>
Is there a nix command to just to inspect the output of a build?
<notgne2>
worldofpeace: you mean view the resulting attribute set?
<worldofpeace>
notgne2: like I do `tree $(nix-build -A something '<nixpkgs>') | less`
<notgne2>
well that works, but you could add `--no-out-link` if you don't want to litter `result` symlinks
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<zeta_0>
i posted an issue to ein in github about ihaskell not working, and one of the contributors told me that i need to execute these 2 commands: `M-x ein:byte-compile-ein` and `M-X ein:dev-reload` but i am getting the error: /nix/store/`path-to-ein` is a read only file system? i installed the ein emacs package with nix so i am not sure how to get around this? i am not even sure if it has something to do with ihaskell and
<Enzime>
is there a reason behind why /nix/var/nix/profiles/system is symlinked to the last profile you switched to, rather than /run/booted-system or /run/current-system
<Enzime>
leads to `sudo nix-env --list-generations --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/system` marking the default profile as `(current)`
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<kandinski>
what does the line `environment.pathsToLink = [ "/libexec" ];` do? I'm seeing it for the first time in the i3 page of the nixos wiki: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/I3
<infinisil>
Enzime: *because* it is the last profile, /run/* is created to symlink to it
<infinisil>
All of /run is only temporary on a tmpfs, so it won't persist across reboot
<infinisil>
s
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<Enzime>
infinisil: I guess my question is more like, is there a difference between nix-env --switch-generation VS booting an older system?
<infinisil>
kandinski: It means that all the $out/libexec paths from packages in environment.systemPackages get symlinked to /run/current-system/sw/libexec
<kandinski>
infinisil: thanks
<infinisil>
Enzime: nix-env makes that generation the default, booting into an older system is just temporary
<Enzime>
infinisil: if I use `sudo nix-env --switch-generation --profile /nix/var/nix/profiles/system` that wouldn't change the default system to boot right?
<Enzime>
does it have any effect?
<infinisil>
I guess my previous sentence doesn't work entirely, it's not because it's the last profile, /run/*-system just get created from the one you boot
<infinisil>
Enzime: That should give an error because you didn't give a generation to switch to :)
<infinisil>
Enzime: But if you use the generation of whatever /nix/var/nix/profiles/system symlinks to, then this shouldn't change anything
<Enzime>
does anything use /nix/var/nix/profiles/system?
<infinisil>
That's the NixOS generations
<infinisil>
The bootloader creates entries based on that
<infinisil>
s/bootloader/bootloader generator
<Enzime>
infinisil: wouldn't that only be affected when you do a nixos-rebuild switch anyway?
<infinisil>
Yup
<infinisil>
So nix-env --switch-generation for the system profile doesn't do or change anything immediately really
<Enzime>
infinisil: generally when you run a `nixos-rebuild switch` it creates a new system profile, so wouldn't that just overwrite the symlink of `/nix/var/nix/profiles/system` anyway
<Enzime>
if I'm just building one package, is there an easy way to make it only take a certain amount of cores
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<dansho>
Enzime: not sure, does --max-jobs / -j or --cores work?
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<Grauwolf>
hm, how to people roll out /etc/nixos/ to a couple of machines? `ssh host; cd /etc/nixos; git pull, nixos-rebuild switch`?
<notgne2>
nixops or morph
<Grauwolf>
oh, i though nixops was more something for getting and provisioning new machines
<Grauwolf>
notgne2: thanks
<notgne2>
nixops has more stuff like auto deploy to digitalocean, morph is more basic, but as a bonus has no state data (for if you want to deploy from different machines without syncing)
<Grauwolf>
another question: looking at some of the nix setups people uploaded to github, i often see people defining shell-aliases in /etc/nixos. from what i can see those get defined system-wide. if one wants to manage this on a per-user basis, one has to use home-manager, right?
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<notgne2>
yep, I think NixOS has considered a few times doing per-user managment but people seem pretty happy with home-manager and there's no reason to duplicate the effort
<notgne2>
pretty much everything a user an do is in home-manager, everything else is NixOS
<Grauwolf>
so where would one define per-user systemd-services? like i got a user-service that sync mails via mbsync for my user
<notgne2>
home-manager does that
<Grauwolf>
notgne2: great! thanks a lot. saved me some time :)
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[nixpkgs] @contrun opened pull request #76572 → clash: init at 0.16.0 → https://git.io/Jebxa
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<Grauwolf>
rycee: woah! nice!
<rycee>
There is also a `programs.mbsync` module but that is for when you want HM to manage the actual mbsync configuration.
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[nixpkgs] @danbst closed pull request #76571 → WIP jdk: use `placeholder` for jdk.home → https://git.io/JebN8
<brightone>
What is the best way to use niv for managing NixOS overlays? Assuming I don't want to pin nixpkgs, and want to stay on my NixOS channel. Can't make it work
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<__monty__>
,tell brightone Fwiw, I don't see an easy way to have niv use a channel.
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__monty__: I'll pass that on to brightone
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<contrun[m]>
Strange. buildGoModule has different resulting modSha256. I am pretty sure I have a working modSha256 value in my local machine https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/76572 . But it does not work for GrahamcOfBorg.
<__monty__>
Is it getting the module from the same repo?
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<__monty__>
Does it depend on architecture maybe?
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[nixpkgs] @peti pushed commit from @mgttlinger to haskell-updates « Added quickjump option to the generic Haskell builder. »: https://git.io/Jebpo
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[nixpkgs] @peti closed pull request #75942 → nixos/haskell: Added quickjump option to the haskell mkDerivation → https://git.io/Je56B
<litschio>
Hey, anyone knows if the man who sells the nixos pullis is visiting 36c3 and has some with him?
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<contrun[m]>
__monty__: Nope. It does not get module from the same repo and both modSha256 I got from GrahamcOfBorg are not the one I gave. They are the same wrong string.
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<Enzime>
litschi: what's that?
<__monty__>
contrun[m]: You can't exactly say it's wrong if ofborg is getting the module from a different repo though. Why do you use a different repo than ofborg?
<__monty__>
Enzime: Hoodies I suspect.
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<contrun[m]>
__monty__: I meant different string. I didn't fully understand your question `Is it getting the module from the same repo?`. I don't know if ofborg is getting the same repo. I just pushed another commit which use the string returned by ofborg. It is now building.
<contrun[m]>
__monty__: Yeah. It seems I am getting different modSha256 on different architecture. What should I do now?
<__monty__>
That's a great question and I have no idea tbh.
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<__monty__>
Other than slowly TOFU'ing each of the strings ofborg gets and branching on architecture.
<contrun[m]>
Sorry. I just made a mistake. It did not get a different modSha256. https://logs.nix.ci/?key=nixos/nixpkgs.76572
<__monty__>
Oh, great : )
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<litschi>
Enzime: yea the hoodies ^^
<__monty__>
I assume "pulli" is german slang for them?
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<makefu>
__monty__: pulli is short for pullover, so it may or may not have a hood :)
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<luc65r>
Hi!
<luc65r>
I have a problem with home manager
<luc65r>
home-manager switch error: file 'home-manager/home-manager/home-manager.nix' was not found in the Nix search path (add it using $NIX_PATH or -I)
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<rycee>
luc65r: You are probably missing the `home-manager` channel.
<luc65r>
I'm really confused, because I found a lot of different ways to install home-manager
<luc65r>
It added home-manager in the systemPackage section in my configuration.nix
<rycee>
Yes, there are a number of historical ways and a number of current ways depending on the use-case.
<luc65r>
How to add the channel in configuration.nix ?
<rycee>
Ok, if you installed using the package in Nixpkgs then you shouldn't need a channel.
<rycee>
(I think)
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<rycee>
What does `grep 'for path' $(which home-manager)` say?
<siers>
so home-manager is like nixos-rebuild, but specifically for each user to run on their own?
<luc65r>
rycee: But how to set the GTK/Qt theme only for one environment ?
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<rycee>
luc65r: I would suspect that this is not possible to accomplish.
<rycee>
Perhaps with HM if you set it up to run the activation script on login…
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<luc65r>
That looks a bit too advanced to me
<luc65r>
I'm sorry, I have a lot of questions
<luc65r>
Can I use the stable packages for the system and the unstable packages for the user ?
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<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #76575 → nixos/awstats: add missing description to extraConfig option → https://git.io/JebjU
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<wedens[m]>
I install emacs and mu using home-manager, but I don't use HM to configure emacs and install emacs packages. how do I make mu4e from mu available in load-path?
<wedens[m]>
do I need to use emacsWithPackages?
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<betaboon>
is anyone using light-locker and can point me in the right direction how to set it up ?
<betaboon>
I've tried creating a systemd-user-service but it fails to start and complains about "AT-SPI: Error ..." any hints ?
<wedens[m]>
hm. there is no "emacs" directory in /nix/store/xhqh9yx4n9zf9s1194fs9xj8i19j3vxi-mu-1.2/share/ why is that?
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<wedens[m]>
seems like it was broken in some channel revision
<johnjay>
ok. so all nix does compared to say debian, is add in the declarative aspect
<johnjay>
so you can rebuild the system incrementally?
<infinisil>
Well that's one thing it does anyways
<infinisil>
johnjay: Yeah. If you have everything built already, no work is done
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<johnjay>
i was fiddling with some old program the other day that wouldn't run right.
<johnjay>
turns out it was linked against old kde libs or something
<johnjay>
how does nix exactly handle that sort of thing?
<johnjay>
does each build have the exact library and deps that it depends on with it?
<ldlework>
johnjay: for a given nix package, all the dependencies all the way down are -- yeah
<Taneb>
It keeps all the old libs around. Everything's statically linked and stored with a hash of its inputs
<ldlework>
johnjay: you can also have N versions of a given library, app, or whatever, and they wont conflict.
<johnjay>
so the servers have giant piles of old libs of all kinds?
<infinisil>
Taneb: Nix(pkgs) does dynamic linking by default, not static
<ldlework>
you can even have two installs of the same version of something, but different builds, with different dependencies
<Taneb>
infinisil: ! I have learnt something
<johnjay>
so in the case of this program that was linked against kdelib.so.4 and now i only have kdelib.so.5
<ldlework>
johnjay: sure but everything's under bookeeping so garbage collection is a thing
<johnjay>
who's responsibility is it to change that and recompile?
<simpson>
johnjay: Technically, every library is old, just like every photograph is of the past.
<ldlework>
lol
<simpson>
If Nix keeps a package around, it's because somebody on the system is using it, or because it's garbage that hasn't been collected.
<ldlework>
^
<johnjay>
so in my scenario the kdelib.so.4 never goes away fully as long as one guy is using it?
<ldlework>
johnjay: you can even have local environments/sets of installed packages on a project by project based, like Python's Virtualenv, if you've ever used that
<simpson>
Yeah. There's tooling for sysadmins to help track down what's using space, too.
<ldlework>
Is there a thing that prints out the store dependency graph of an arbitrary store package?
<johnjay>
simpson: so maybe the tool shows app123 is using kdelib.so.4 and nothing else, so they might try recompiling it to use newer ones and save space?
<simpson>
nix-store --tree?
<simpson>
johnjay: Sure. In practice, though, you'll usually build nearly everything on your system from one single nixpkgs, so that there aren't situations that require mixing KDE 4 and KDE 5.
<johnjay>
well obviously in my situation my system uses kde5 libs
<johnjay>
but i wanted to run an older app
<johnjay>
and i couldn't quite fill in all the things ldd wanted
<johnjay>
and the repo has no kde4lib install option
<infinisil>
johnjay: With nix you'd check out an older nixpkgs version and build the package from that
<infinisil>
Which would give you all the dependencies from that point in time
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<johnjay>
infinisil: potentially building all of KDE4 to satisfy it?
<infinisil>
johnjay: Potentially, but unlikely, since almost everything is in the binary cache
<simpson>
johnjay: No, only building exactly what's needed. If anything extra is built, then that's a bug in the Nix expression.
<johnjay>
interesting.
<Baughn>
clever: Did you say there's a way with nixops to copy secret keys to a persistent directory, instead of /run? I don't see anything in the manual.
<johnjay>
can you also mix i386/x64 libraries as well?
<Baughn>
In the same program?
<johnjay>
this app i was trying to run actually needed i386 libs and i'm on 64 bit
<Baughn>
Or just in general?
<Baughn>
In general: Yes, sure, that's fine.
<Baughn>
Any given executable can only load either 32-bit or 64-bit libraries, but that's never been an issue.
<johnjay>
nice. well another hour til this thing downloads
<johnjay>
right
<simpson>
What happens to be "this app"? If it's a popular proprietary package, then we may already have special support for it.
<johnjay>
heh, not popular at all. it was a patched gcc to compile to a TI-83 calc caled KTICPP
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<johnjay>
hadn't been updated for 10 years for linux, p robably since it's mainly a windows ecosystem thing
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<johnjay>
ironically i found a tutorial that included precompiled files that could be loaded fine in tiemu
<clever>
Baughn: yes
<johnjay>
but that doesn't exactly help me to compile my own program
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[nixpkgs] @c0bw3b pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « stress-ng: 0.10.11 -> 0.10.14 (#76436) »: https://git.io/JeNUl
<johnjay>
i ended up simulating unix v7 on simh's pdp-11 though
<johnjay>
so it wasn't a total loss
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<erictapen>
hey #nixos, I just realized, that the nixos-19.09 branch at NixOS/nixpkgs was force pushed (I saw b1844ef5816...69ed29f5f41). Does anybody know what that means? How can a channel be force pushed?
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[nixpkgs] @Ma27 pushed to master « zookeper_mt: fix darwin build »: https://git.io/JeNUg
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<evanjs>
wait... is is using my DDNS as the domain _really_ all I need to do..?
<evanjs>
whaaat. And might security.acme.certs.<name>.postRun work for deploying the certs to my router??
<immae>
Hello there, is the nixos discourse forum coming from the recommended docker image, or is there some nixos module building a discourse environment somewhere? (I cannot find it in nixpkgs)
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<bhipple>
zimbatm is the one who would know for sure, but last I checked the NixOS discourse was using the hosted version, rather than a self-hosted solution on NixOS
<bhipple>
You could try running the OCI container image through nixos-container rather than installing Docker, perhaps.
<immae>
Hmm
<immae>
(I’m not very at ease with the containers world, especially not with nixos)
<immae>
There is an example module in your link which builds the docker discourse environment, that will do for now until I put my hands in there, thanks bhipple
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[nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #76583 → nixos/httpd: add locations and directories options to virtualHosts → https://git.io/JeNT5
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[nixpkgs] @gebner pushed to master « linuxPackages.digimend: fix build with linux 5.4 »: https://git.io/JeNTb
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<wedens[m]>
how do I prevent some systemd unit for some nixos service from autostarting? I'd prefer to start it manually
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<Athas>
How come GCC 9 isn't the default in nixpkgs yet?
<mkaito>
now I need to figure out how to build my own AMI with that
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<immae>
zimbatm: thanks for the link. I indeed tried to decompose it some time ago and ended up only "exporting" databases, the rest staid in the black box :(
<zimbatm>
yeah the ruby omnibus packaging makes it really hard to decompose
<zimbatm>
I understand why they had to do it for other linux distributions, but it's terrible
<zimbatm>
we have the same issues with vagrant and the chef ops tool
<zimbatm>
but really all of this ball of code is tested to work like that so the most reliable thing to do is to use the pre-packaged docker image
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<evanjs>
Since I already had nextcloud up, I just enabled useACME and onlySSL on there. [After my rate limit resets...] if that works, I'll just use that cert I guess
<immae>
zimbatm: yes I know and that's probably what I'm going to do in the end, but I like having a good view of my software and it's hard when things are like discourse
<Guanin>
I have a strange problem with fetchTarball. I'm currently trying to package a (more or less) nonfree binary and want to fetch it with fetchTarball. Looking into the tarball by manually downloading and extracting it, I have some files in the root of that tarball (which I want to cp in the build script). Using nix-build, it won't find these files in the derivation, they are just missing (but subdirectiories st
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[nixpkgs] @azazel75 opened pull request #76587 → squeezelite: Fix codec libraries loading by using a wrapper → https://git.io/JeNtL
<Guanin>
Huh, that does not seem to be the problem. A similar derivation (for a different version of FileBot) works without problems. The main difference is that the working tarball has no files in the root of the tarball, while the problematic one has (and these files are missing)
<Guanin>
So I guess it is not directly related to fetchTarball at all
<d0nkrs>
Hi I can't seem to find any documentation on this so sorry if I'm just not looking in the right place but does anyone know how to debug setting a default shell? I'm trying to set `nushell` as my default and tried to follow this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/384040/how-to-change-the-default-shell-in-nixos but it doesn't seem to work