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gchristensen >
there is a test failure I think, maybe you could take a look? this is part of why it is labeled as unstable: no specific timeline on security updates
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artemist >
Oh, true it is in 20.09
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cole-h >
Test failures are so flaky, unfortunately :( One day they pass, the next they fail / time out.
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energizer >
gchristensen: is that documented somewhere?
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gchristensen >
not sure
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gchristensen >
,whichchannel
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{^_^} >
gchristensen: Did you mean which-channel?
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gchristensen >
haha, it is "documented" in this janky place
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energizer >
that's important security information. it should be in a more prominent place.
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gchristensen >
where would you like to find it?
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energizer >
only the wiki has information about "which channel", so probably there
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energizer >
of course the wiki shouldn't be the place for "which channel", but i wont be greedy :D
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cole-h >
The wiki is as unofficial as that gist, FWIW.
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cole-h >
"unofficial"
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that's what i meant
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Once 21.03 comes out maybe I'll stay on that and just import some newer packages from unstable
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samueldr >
artemist: bad news, 21.03 will never come out
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gchristensen >
energizer: it looks like I threw a license on there to let somebody else put it somewher emore official once upon a time :P
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artemist >
Is there a reason we aren't using 21.05pre?
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gchristensen >
hehe...
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samueldr >
because no one changed that since :)
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{^_^} >
#108899 (by lukegb, 2 weeks ago, open): treewide: update 21.03 to 21.05
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cole-h >
gchristensen: I don't suppose you'd mind starting an eval for 20.09? Just pushed a CVE fix for doas :)
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samueldr >
cole-h: on hydra?
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* samueldr
checks if he can
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samueldr >
just did
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samueldr >
uh, though there was already an eval running since 45m ago
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samueldr >
it may need to finish for the next to go through
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cole-h >
I think that's alright. I don't think there are too many of us using doas (and probably even less that track stable).
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samueldr >
it'll take another 12 hours until the next eval though
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samueldr >
(I also wanted to confirm whether my rights on hydra are enough to handle security priorization in case it's needed and people are asleep)
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gchristensen >
the "Running since" isn't quite right afaik, I think it is from when it was scheduled
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gchristensen >
might be mistaken
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samueldr >
I think there
_is_ another status for scheduled
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there is
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just not sure there is a timestamp of when it actually started
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What's happening with hydra?
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samueldr >
everything?
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huh?
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artemist >
The eval errors seem like they shouldn't be new
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sorry?
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tracking errors per-eval is a new feature
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so the tag only is present on fresh evals
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aah, makes sense
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fresh out of the oven feature
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adisbladis >
How long is it expected to take from something getting merged on staging until it reaches master?
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adisbladis >
I have a PR which was merged 2 weeks ago to staging and still hasn't reached master.. I think this is a tad too long.
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samueldr >
it's variable
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<
samueldr >
(can't give more info since I don't have a clue about the usual timings)
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<
samueldr >
but if things are too broken in staging, it can't graduate to staging-next
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<
samueldr >
where things get stabilized
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adisbladis >
samueldr: I understand why things take time the way they are currently done
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<
adisbladis >
But several weeks after a merge is really bad velocity
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<
adisbladis >
Is there possibly a better workflow with shorter turnaround times?
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adisbladis >
(I don't have the answer)
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<
samueldr >
I think the new workflow with staging-next
*is* to help
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<
samueldr >
do you know if your change at least is in staging-next?
06:54
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adisbladis >
This change is not in any way time critical
06:54
<
{^_^} >
#110569 (by FRidh, 5 days ago, open): Staging next
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<
adisbladis >
I was hoping to start a discussion
06:54
<
adisbladis >
It's not so much about my change, but about velocity
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<
adisbladis >
These delays demotivate me a ton to work on stuff
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adisbladis >
And I'm sure I'm not alone in this
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<
samueldr >
how does it?
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<
samueldr >
(to help steer discussion)
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<
adisbladis >
How does what?
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samueldr >
how does it demotivate you to a ton to work on stuff?
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<
samueldr >
looks like the staging next PRs takes just about a week to go through, and then the next is started not too long after
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<
samueldr >
last staging next was closed 11 days ago, current one opened 6 days ago
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samueldr >
(looking for numbers)
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<
pie_ >
totally unrelated; "rust in safety critical systems panel"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VVM_t72NE cant find the exact timestamp right now but the convo around 1:05:00 about development processes and how rust does stuff right seems like something worth aspiring to. also the comment about mailing lists keeping track of context and rationale; the conclusion i draw is that siloed development is not good and "full remote" would be the way to
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pie_ >
"safety critical software really has you retain why while normal software only seems to care about how"
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adisbladis >
At least in this case it's blocking other nixpkgs work (but those changes don't belong in the staging pipeline)
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adisbladis >
And I have to pin older nixpkgs versions and create overlays and such to keep going in the external project(s) where this is used
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adisbladis >
It adds a lot of overhead
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samueldr >
let's assume it takes 7 days for a staging-next to get merged, I guess the quickest turnaround would be 8 days, and the longest 14 days, if it was always on the clock 7 days from open to merge to master
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samueldr >
what makes it so it needs to take 7 days?
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<
samueldr >
(again, trying to steer the discussion)
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adisbladis >
This is the part I also don't understand
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adisbladis >
Fwiw this PR was merged 15 days ago
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samueldr >
part of staging-next is waiting that things have built so merging into master does not delay the next master build
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<
samueldr >
right, I was going with easier to grasp numbers
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samueldr >
because currently the previous staging-next was opened 18 days ago, and merged 11 days ago
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samueldr >
current opened 6 days ago
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<
samueldr >
looking at the current staging next PR, nothing tells me what was going on really
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samueldr >
only thing I can understand is it was waiting for evals/builds to happen at some point recently
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energizer >
it would be nice to have a collection of hydra/grafana queries that people could look at for these questions
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mjlbach >
I'm working on it :P
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siraben >
Did we already get rid of dpulls?
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cole-h >
It appears to have been mistakenly activated on the Nixpkgs repo (according to Eelco, was only supposed to be for NixOS/nix (for now?))
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was grepping for edolstra, not niks\nut
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we can re-enable it if there is demand
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#111106 (by r-burns, 9 hours ago, open): release-cross: add ppc64le, ppc64le-musl
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I know one bank is interested in nix and uses ppc, but not sure they really use it
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I know one bank is interested in nix and uses ppc, but not sure they really use ni
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IBM customers and freedom enthusiats AIUI
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I think IBM is trying to push AI on ppc64 also
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would be great because it blocks our sudo fix.
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n/j #nixos
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(Sorry), mistype
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Mic92: I think we need a rootdelay for the kernel command line. USB devices are probed async by the kernel, so this test could be flaky. Or its because of the qemu 5.2 bump.
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Sadly running the test locally consumed all my available RAM and slowed my computer to a crawl…
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Emantor: the first few lines look like the bootloader cannot fully read the ramdisk.
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where it says Loading /boot/initrd
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Emantor: I see mksquashfs takes quite a bit of RAM
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Do we have an issue for tracking Nix 2 CLI gaps?
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Specifically things like, adding a GC root. Or is nix-store officially part of nix 2 cli?
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* colemickens
gets more and more desperate for a roadmap
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yeah that sounds great
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