worldofpeace changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 20.09 Nightingale ✨ https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-09-release/9668 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 20.09 RMs: worldofpeace, jonringer | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
<gchristensen> there is a test failure I think, maybe you could take a look? this is part of why it is labeled as unstable: no specific timeline on security updates
<artemist> Oh, true it is in 20.09
<cole-h> Test failures are so flaky, unfortunately :( One day they pass, the next they fail / time out.
<energizer> gchristensen: is that documented somewhere?
<gchristensen> not sure
<gchristensen> ,whichchannel
<{^_^}> gchristensen: Did you mean which-channel?
<gchristensen> haha, it is "documented" in this janky place
<energizer> that's important security information. it should be in a more prominent place.
<gchristensen> where would you like to find it?
<energizer> only the wiki has information about "which channel", so probably there
<energizer> of course the wiki shouldn't be the place for "which channel", but i wont be greedy :D
<cole-h> The wiki is as unofficial as that gist, FWIW.
<cole-h> "unofficial"
<energizer> that's what i meant
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<artemist> Once 21.03 comes out maybe I'll stay on that and just import some newer packages from unstable
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<samueldr> artemist: bad news, 21.03 will never come out
<artemist> oh nowo
<gchristensen> energizer: it looks like I threw a license on there to let somebody else put it somewher emore official once upon a time :P
<artemist> Is there a reason we aren't using 21.05pre?
<gchristensen> hehe...
<samueldr> because no one changed that since :)
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<cole-h> Because https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/108899 hasn't been merged yet :)
<{^_^}> #108899 (by lukegb, 2 weeks ago, open): treewide: update 21.03 to 21.05
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<cole-h> gchristensen: I don't suppose you'd mind starting an eval for 20.09? Just pushed a CVE fix for doas :)
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<samueldr> cole-h: on hydra?
<cole-h> Indeed
* samueldr checks if he can
<samueldr> just did
<samueldr> uh, though there was already an eval running since 45m ago
<samueldr> it may need to finish for the next to go through
<cole-h> I think that's alright. I don't think there are too many of us using doas (and probably even less that track stable).
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<samueldr> it'll take another 12 hours until the next eval though
<samueldr> (I also wanted to confirm whether my rights on hydra are enough to handle security priorization in case it's needed and people are asleep)
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<gchristensen> the "Running since" isn't quite right afaik, I think it is from when it was scheduled
<samueldr> hm
<gchristensen> might be mistaken
<samueldr> I think there _is_ another status for scheduled
<gchristensen> there is
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<gchristensen> just not sure there is a timestamp of when it actually started
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<samueldr> ah
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<artemist> What's happening with hydra?
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<samueldr> everything?
<gchristensen> huh?
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<artemist> The eval errors seem like they shouldn't be new
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<gchristensen> sorry?
<samueldr> tracking errors per-eval is a new feature
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<samueldr> so the tag only is present on fresh evals
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<artemist> aah, makes sense
<gchristensen> ahh
<samueldr> fresh out of the oven feature
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<adisbladis> How long is it expected to take from something getting merged on staging until it reaches master?
<adisbladis> I have a PR which was merged 2 weeks ago to staging and still hasn't reached master.. I think this is a tad too long.
<samueldr> it's variable
<samueldr> (can't give more info since I don't have a clue about the usual timings)
<samueldr> but if things are too broken in staging, it can't graduate to staging-next
<samueldr> where things get stabilized
<adisbladis> samueldr: I understand why things take time the way they are currently done
<adisbladis> But several weeks after a merge is really bad velocity
<samueldr> yeah
<adisbladis> Is there possibly a better workflow with shorter turnaround times?
<adisbladis> (I don't have the answer)
<samueldr> I think the new workflow with staging-next *is* to help
<samueldr> do you know if your change at least is in staging-next?
<adisbladis> It is
<adisbladis> This change is not in any way time critical
<{^_^}> #110569 (by FRidh, 5 days ago, open): Staging next
<adisbladis> I was hoping to start a discussion
<adisbladis> It's not so much about my change, but about velocity
<adisbladis> These delays demotivate me a ton to work on stuff
<adisbladis> And I'm sure I'm not alone in this
<samueldr> how does it?
<samueldr> (to help steer discussion)
<adisbladis> How does what?
<samueldr> how does it demotivate you to a ton to work on stuff?
<samueldr> looks like the staging next PRs takes just about a week to go through, and then the next is started not too long after
<samueldr> last staging next was closed 11 days ago, current one opened 6 days ago
<samueldr> (looking for numbers)
<pie_> totally unrelated; "rust in safety critical systems panel" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VVM_t72NE cant find the exact timestamp right now but the convo around 1:05:00 about development processes and how rust does stuff right seems like something worth aspiring to. also the comment about mailing lists keeping track of context and rationale; the conclusion i draw is that siloed development is not good and "full remote" would be the way to
<pie_> go
<pie_> "safety critical software really has you retain why while normal software only seems to care about how"
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<adisbladis> At least in this case it's blocking other nixpkgs work (but those changes don't belong in the staging pipeline)
<adisbladis> And I have to pin older nixpkgs versions and create overlays and such to keep going in the external project(s) where this is used
<adisbladis> It adds a lot of overhead
<samueldr> let's assume it takes 7 days for a staging-next to get merged, I guess the quickest turnaround would be 8 days, and the longest 14 days, if it was always on the clock 7 days from open to merge to master
<samueldr> what makes it so it needs to take 7 days?
<samueldr> (again, trying to steer the discussion)
<adisbladis> This is the part I also don't understand
<adisbladis> Fwiw this PR was merged 15 days ago
<samueldr> part of staging-next is waiting that things have built so merging into master does not delay the next master build
<samueldr> right, I was going with easier to grasp numbers
<samueldr> because currently the previous staging-next was opened 18 days ago, and merged 11 days ago
<samueldr> current opened 6 days ago
<samueldr> looking at the current staging next PR, nothing tells me what was going on really
<samueldr> only thing I can understand is it was waiting for evals/builds to happen at some point recently
<energizer> it would be nice to have a collection of hydra/grafana queries that people could look at for these questions
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<mjlbach> I'm working on it :P
<siraben> Did we already get rid of dpulls?
<cole-h> It appears to have been mistakenly activated on the Nixpkgs repo (according to Eelco, was only supposed to be for NixOS/nix (for now?))
<siraben> I see
* cole-h was grepping for edolstra, not niks\nut
<niksnut> we can re-enable it if there is demand
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<Mic92> I also wonder who is using powerpc: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/111106 is it banks?
<{^_^}> #111106 (by r-burns, 9 hours ago, open): release-cross: add ppc64le, ppc64le-musl
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<gchristensen> I know one bank is interested in nix and uses ppc, but not sure they really use it
<gchristensen> I know one bank is interested in nix and uses ppc, but not sure they really use ni
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<qyliss> IBM customers and freedom enthusiats AIUI
<qyliss> I think IBM is trying to push AI on ppc64 also
<Mic92> if someone could have a look at the failing vm test on nixos-unstable: https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/trunk-combined/tested
<Mic92> would be great because it blocks our sudo fix.
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<adisbladis> n/j #nixos
<adisbladis> (Sorry), mistype
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<Emantor> Mic92: I think we need a rootdelay for the kernel command line. USB devices are probed async by the kernel, so this test could be flaky. Or its because of the qemu 5.2 bump.
<Emantor> Sadly running the test locally consumed all my available RAM and slowed my computer to a crawl…
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<Mic92> Emantor: the first few lines look like the bootloader cannot fully read the ramdisk.
<Mic92> where it says Loading /boot/initrd
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<Mic92> Emantor: I see mksquashfs takes quite a bit of RAM
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<colemickens> Do we have an issue for tracking Nix 2 CLI gaps?
<colemickens> Specifically things like, adding a GC root. Or is nix-store officially part of nix 2 cli?
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* colemickens gets more and more desperate for a roadmap
<gchristensen> yeah that sounds great
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