worldofpeace changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 20.09 Nightingale ✨ https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-09-release/9668 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 20.09 RMs: worldofpeace, jonringer | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<samueldr> where did we stash the irc logs txt from before my logs? (I know it might be missing a few months)
<samueldr> or alternatively, I'd be interested in having up to and including most of december 2016
<samueldr> not sure it'd get included in the logs interface
<samueldr> but I might need it for trying to reconcile some data about Nixpkgs
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<samueldr> relatedly, do we know when the NixOS_GitHub bot started posting on IRC?
<samueldr> (well, we do with logs)
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<hexa-> joined 2016-12-31 … rip :D
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<{^_^}> #65477 (by deliciouslytyped, 1 year ago, open): Request for fail-safe rollback feature
<{^_^}> #34902 (by djahandarie, 2 years ago, open): "Safe" auto-upgrades
<srhb> samueldr: I can't remember the service that we used to refer to before yours for logs right now, but I know that it's now defunct and has no logs at all from any period. I think individuals' logs is the only hope to restore old stuff now, unfortunately.
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<MichaelRaskin> Would the old service be in topic in the beginning of the new logs?
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<red[evilred]> Does anyone know if there is a deployment pattern for a Read Only shared /nix/store that exists already?
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<jtojnar> ryantm: I like the idea of using pandoc for the docs going forward more and more
<ryantm> @jtojnar how's the closure size on NixOS compared to DocBook?
<jtojnar> well, nothing compares to xsltproc + docbook-xsl wrt closure
<jtojnar> but if we statically compile something like https://github.com/srid/rib, I would expect it to be comparable to mdbook
<ryantm> "nothing compares" means DocBook is way smaller?
<ryantm> That lua filter/graphviz code on our end is super nice
<jtojnar> yes, libxslt + docbook-xsl is few MB of C programs and XSLT stylesheets
<jtojnar> we also include jing (java) for validation but I believe it should be possible to get comparable error messages from libxml with some elbow grease
<jtojnar> but since we are leaving docbook, it does not really make sense to compare with the docbook toolchain
<jtojnar> we will have to use at least one of JS, Haskell, Rust, Python or Go
<ryantm> Right, it's an unfair comparison.
<MichaelRaskin> Well, it is a reasonable unit of measurement I guess? It's just that the number won't be at 1
<jtojnar> at this point, you can just use megabytes as the unit
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<abathur> could use an opinion or two on whether the changes in 3 small bash review suggestions feel ~audience-appropriate for the installer; just all 3 outstanding review comments in create-darwin-volume.sh starting at https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4289/files/85cfa6a9708e8c63604127e6373786b44d457e6a#r533014348
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<samueldr> srhb: it was botbot
<samueldr> it's dead though
<samueldr> but there were yet another source for logs that were on the nixos.org domain at some point
<samueldr> (and botbot never actually allowed getting the actual data out, and search was broken for the longest time, before it went the way of the dodo)
<srhb> samueldr: it was! Thanks. :)
<samueldr> (though thanks for trying :))
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<jtojnar> abathur: yeah for bash, I would go with slightly longer but easier to understand
<abathur> <3 jtojnar thanks for looking :)
<{^_^}> jtojnar's karma got increased to 64
<jtojnar> abathur: I guess the arithmetic operator at least looks somewhat conventional but `&&` is harder to parse than explicit branching IMO
<abathur> need a shell mirror to talk to
<abathur> mirror, mirror, will anyone grok this shell syntax?
<abathur> :)
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<MichaelRaskin> Anyone is a weak request! Unparenthesized combination of && and
<MichaelRaskin> and || probably also have some people who read them fluently
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<samueldr> who think they read them fluently
<supersandro2000> jtojnar: multiple if's are slower
<samueldr> is it more important to go at breakneck speed, sacrificing readability?
<samueldr> probably not if it's in shell
<supersandro2000> you can do linebreaks in if [[
<supersandro2000> which is the same in readbility
<supersandro2000> and when using bash you should not do [. always [[
<supersandro2000> using (( ... )) looks strange
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