sphalerite changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 19.09 now in beta! https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-19-09-feature-freeze/3707 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<disasm> sphalerite: should we add https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/68734 to staging and staging-19.09?
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<arianvp> Would there be interest and/or budget to have servers in all popular cloud platforms to test the NixOS configuration for those images? I recently packaged Coreos Afterburn which is a generic metadata fetcher (ssh keys, hostname, systemd network config) for all major cloud providers and had the intention to use it to unify the metadata fetching layer of all our cloud images for NixOS but don't
<arianvp> really have the budget to pay for all the servers that would require
<arianvp> I think it would benefit us as it will allow us to replace most cloud-specific bash scripts hacks and custom activation scripts and whatnot with one tool
<arianvp> Or maybe we can kindly ask cloud providers through the NixOS Org if they're willing to donate some credits for this?
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<sphalerite> disasm: yup
<sphalerite> shlevy: someone was talking about a "minimal" nix variant that only includes nix-store a while back, was that you?
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<arianvp> sphalerite: for what usecase? for servers that only can consume deployments?
<arianvp> sounds interesting
<sphalerite> arianvp: I think in shlevy's case it was about needing to port as little code as possible for risc-v
<sphalerite> arianvp: but yeah for me it's about setting up a raspberry pi without any of the evaluator stuff or a copy of nixpkgs, and that won't let me accidentally download a nixpgks :D
<yorick> linux 5.3 \o/
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<Profpatsch> niksnut: I’d go, but I’m already at the same place for the MirageOS retreat this month :)
<Profpatsch> niksnut: But can very much recommend!
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<jtojnar> worldofpeace: those __divmodti4 are mentioned all over the place
<Taneb> What's with all the new failures on the latest eval of 19.09?
<Taneb> I can't replicate them locally on Nix-on-other-Linux
<worldofpeace> jtojnar: I'm seeing `stdenv = overrideCC stdenv buildPackages.gcc6;` being done for when they hit the issue
<jtojnar> yeah, that will not work here
<jtojnar> we will need someone familiar with bootstrapping to come up with a proper fix
<worldofpeace> (waves torwards dtz 👋)
<worldofpeace> jtojnar: it appears that sysprof's .pc's aren't handcrafted https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sysprof/blob/sysprof-3.34.0/src/libsysprof/meson.build#L132
<worldofpeace> Perhaps I could patch sysprof to have a datadir, and then use that for the mutter patch?
<domenkozar[m]> interesting, upgrading to 19.09 I can't reach another machine on EC2
<dtz> Haha hi!
<domenkozar[m]> dtz: hey!
<dtz> The __divmodti4 stuff is because our bootstrap is broken and has been for some time, IIRC
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<dtz> > Mar 13, 2018
<dtz> :(
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<worldofpeace> dtz: is there no workaround?
<worldofpeace> dtz: currently webkitgtk is broken on x86_64-linux because of it
<disasm> dtz: that only effects i686 though, right?
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<dtz> Oh, yes maybe. Although tbh there's no reason libgcc mismatch wouldn't be problematic for 64bit for some other rt intrinsic. Although I don't know of that happening.
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<dtz> Err, "AFAIK, yes that's 32bit only". :)
<niksnut> new in linux 5.3: 'firmware: Add support for loading compressed firmware files.'
<niksnut> we need that
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<samueldr> sounds good, though that'll need to be gated somehow depending on the kernel option being active (and available)
<infinisil> What can this be used for?
<infinisil> Making /boot smaller?
<infinisil> Or the installer with all the firmware maybe?
<adisbladis> infinisil: Currently the firmware derivation is clocking in at >400M
<infinisil> adisbladis: What's "the firmware derivation"? pkgs.firmwareLinuxNonFree?
<adisbladis> infinisil: Yeah
<infinisil> I see, yeah so this would probably make the installer much smaller
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<niksnut> not just the installer, most system closures
<samueldr> with the arm sd image, this'll be more important; for the iso installer, the squashfs compression might make it not matter
<worldofpeace> Wonder what https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/68901 is about. I asked for clarification
<averell> re: __divmodti4 symbols i'd like to throw https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/66335/files in the ring
<aanderse> worldofpeace: well as long as the second page of the survey doesn't ask for your bank card... :p
<worldofpeace> aanderse: Right :D like when request people to complete a survey—not having contact with the project prior just seems fishy.
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<aanderse> yeah, sure could be an entirely legit thing. but as you mentioned... some credentials or links or *any* context would be nice :)
<qyliss> how come they were able to add a label if they have had no prior communication?
<qyliss> I'd be extremely tempted to close, lock, report as spam anyway
<qyliss> They've been spamming all over GitHub it looks like
<qyliss> or, maybe not
<qyliss> it's so difficult to tell with these academic surveys and stuff
<qyliss> I get them in my inbox all the time
<worldofpeace> yeah I see a lot of them were closed https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/issues/22809
<worldofpeace> no idea to know as it lacks context. I will lock it though.
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<emily> I wouldn't lock it, might as well leave them a chance to reply
<emily> looks like people being overzealous with GitHub automation but not obviously in bad faith
<qyliss> it doesn't belong in an issue anyway
<emily> a lot of people were spammed with invitations to join the NixOS GitHub organization too :p
<qyliss> if they're really interested they should post it to the Discourse
<emily> mhm
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<emily> although Akismet seems a bit trigger-happy on the Discourse too
<worldofpeace> emily: locking makes it so only people who are in the issue can continue to communicate
<worldofpeace> emily: so they can reply
<emily> oh, TIL
<emily> I've usually just seen it used to lock issues entirely, didn't know it was capable of that too
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* gchristensen waves
<qyliss> HI gchristensen
<qyliss> how was the holiday?
<qyliss> we missed you
<gchristensen> it was wonderful :)
<gchristensen> thank you :). no computer or phone except for a look for emergencies every three days or so, and a submission of conference talks. did I miss anything good?
<qyliss> Err, well, I don't want to stress you out, because we've managing fine, but {^_^} and OfBorg are a bit sad
<gchristensen> oh no
<gchristensen> tell me more?
<qyliss> The bot, AFAIK, is down completely
<gchristensen> ,botsnack
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<qyliss> I'm not really sure what the current status of OfBorg is, but I saw some conversation earlier about it being down
<gchristensen> {`-`}: oops
<tilpner> qyliss: Psst, don't undo all the vacation right away c.c
<qyliss> i know i know
<qyliss> I said we were managing fine!
<gchristensen> lol
<gchristensen> zfs snapshots are out to get me
<gchristensen> I suspect people thought ofborg was down on the 14th because of a macos build queue buildup
<tilpner> ofborg seemed to ignore me yesterday
<tilpner> Or I got the syntax wrong again
<thoughtpolice> Yeah, I think I had a case where borg ignored me too
<worldofpeace> yeah, and the macos queue buildup from ofborg was me and pulseaudio :D
<worldofpeace> I've had to build so many things manually
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<gchristensen> I continuously stub my toes on znapzend keeping a ton of local snapshots
<tilpner> Did you run out of pool space?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> anyway, that part is done
<gchristensen> ping me if ofborg continues to seem weird, but I'm going to pretend it is fine and ease in to vacation mode :)
<gchristensen> out of*
<worldofpeace> https://docbook.rocks/ seems to be down
<gchristensen> oh yeah it expired on day 3 of vacation. that'll be next
<worldofpeace> apart from that, nothing blew up and I don't think hydra went down in flames :D
<gchristensen> seems like a successful 2 week disappearance!
<worldofpeace> not that you weren't terribly missed gchristensen :D Glad you're back.
<gchristensen> ;) me too
<gchristensen> <3
<infinisil> gchristensen: I can confirm to also sometimes have znapzend snapshots building up when something went wrong
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