<samueldr>
this is a 105-like bottom row, BUT this is NOT a 105th key!
<samueldr>
that key is the key that should be on top of the "Enter" key on a 104 keys layout
<andi->
the number row seems a bit squashed
<samueldr>
(and near enter on a 105 key layout)
<samueldr>
yeah
<samueldr>
and they elongated the "?" key, which is where I press to try and use shift
<samueldr>
whith is now all the way across the up arrow
<samueldr>
if the size of the "/?" key was fine, I would have been able to remap the up arrow key, but alas no, the "/?" key is taking the rightful location
<samueldr>
also, no "windows" key
<samueldr>
so no super
<andi->
but a dropdown key!
<samueldr>
the key left of Alt is the "menu" key
<samueldr>
yeah
<samueldr>
so that will be fixable using some udev trickery
<andi->
we aren't buying those for using them anyway right? We just want NixOS to work on them so we can sleep well at night? ;-)
<samueldr>
oh no, just realised another key is missing
<samueldr>
andi-: exactly
<hexa->
no super key is a bummer :<
<samueldr>
no super key is super easy to fix
<samueldr>
missing keys is... hard
<samueldr>
oh boy
<hexa->
true
<andi->
but a StrSc Fn-Key... so you can still do Sysreq..
<samueldr>
the one with '" on it (US qwerty) is all the way on "-_" on an Fn key
<samueldr>
so it's missing two keys near "Enter", and the shift key location is screwey :(
<hexa->
whats the bootloader?
<andi->
Reminds me of my GPD pocket.. they seem to have used some chinese buttons but slapped the US keylayout onto it without ever having used it.
<samueldr>
hexa-: anything the SOPINE family handles, so right now AFAIK only u-boot
<samueldr>
andi-: 100% sure it's someone just fitting key caps on their fancy CAD of a laptop and not realising the location is important
<andi->
samueldr: who needs those keys anyway?!?
<samueldr>
me!
<andi->
;)
<samueldr>
though, TBF, this is hard to entirely fault it on the Pine64 team; they did not design the keyboard, but they did select it :/
<samueldr>
size constraints must have been the main issue
<andi->
possible price?
<samueldr>
also
<samueldr>
so while I dislike the keyboard, I understand and sympathize with the terrible choice
<samueldr>
though, I have a smaller chuwi laptop/tablet combo that has a nice keyboard
<samueldr>
even google had trouble getting something recent running on 'em :/
<hexa->
:)
<samueldr>
I mean, getting the OEM to do stuff etc.
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<andi->
wasn't rockchip the new hot stuff?
<samueldr>
(I looked a bit at ARM chromebooks)
<samueldr>
eeh, in chromebooks yeah, but outside it's iffy imo
<samueldr>
mainly other than the chromebook variant of their setups, it's still hard to get good mainline stuff
<andi->
every other day I see myself browsing for alternativ computing hardware.. There is no decent AMD powered notebooks. Then there is the ARM world with those stupid OEMs and it feels like in a year nobody cares about your device anymore (if even that long).
<samueldr>
so yeah, pinebook will probably wait to this week-end, still setting up my replacement main laptop; got that chromebook (with intel though) and it's a reaaally nice machine
<samueldr>
andi-: there is a DELL laptop that was the second contender in my laptop search
<samueldr>
AMD powered
<andi->
buuut?
<samueldr>
it lost to the intel chromebook due to the intel chromebook allowing coreboot
<andi->
fair point
<samueldr>
opening the bootloader is more important IMO than using AMD; which starting this year you might be able to eat your cake too
<samueldr>
(a bit off-topic here)
<samueldr>
but AMD chromebooks (so coreboot able) are popping up, starting with the low end
<andi->
I just wish Dell would know that (some) customers are not buying their devices due to those choices..
<samueldr>
I wish ALL OEMs knew that using an open firmware would help everyone in the end :/
<andi->
As soon as one of the big players decides to use corebook (or u-boot for that matter) with a upstream-ish version the others would probably follow.
<samueldr>
hopefully, though not sure it works considering google (a big player?) does already and OEMs do through their platforms following google specs
<samueldr>
wondering if the fault lies somewhere else, maybe ODMs and Award/Phoenix?
<samueldr>
I'm mostly wondering who makes the BSP they use and just fork for each device they produce
<andi->
I think that the OEMs do not see the chromebooks as a competition to their usual lineup. It is mostly an additional product with a limited featureset?
* andi-
checks out the job openings at Dell...
<samueldr>
though, can't they observe and see how a coordinated source tree for the firmware is good?
<samueldr>
but maybe they don't
<samueldr>
since google handles updates :/
<samueldr>
maybe they just see it as "software free"
<andi->
uff those positions read like they are indeed very far away from doing anything related to hardware or low-level software engineering..
<andi->
sadly the expected outcome
<samueldr>
I think Dell is still extremely US based for their development work, not sure though
<andi->
I only saw sales/overhead positions outside of India so far