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<enick_643>
Hi, I was wondering if there is some overlap or cooperation with https://github.com/jollheef/appvm ? It seems to be pretty similar project.
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<hiroshi[m]>
holly smokes appvm looks interesting
<hiroshi[m]>
hej folks I read about spectrum-os project. What are your thoughts about network on the base system ? are you working in a proxy or something like that ?
<qyliss>
enick_643: appvm is very neat but much less ambitious than Spectrum, which aims to compartmentalize just about all system functionality rather than just individual applications
<hiroshi[m]>
hmm is appvm using kvm ? hypervisor-based sandbox
<hiroshi[m]>
that will be to slow and heavy
<qyliss>
KVM isn't slow
<qyliss>
hiroshi[m]: the base system will hopefully ultimately have no networking at all. There will be a VM that interacts with networking hardware and exposes virtual network devices to other VMs.
<hiroshi[m]>
kvm isn't slow but if you need GUI from a kvm vm ?
<qyliss>
Ah, yes
<qyliss>
I believe appvm uses RDP
<qyliss>
Which might be slow
<qyliss>
Spectrum uses virtio wayland, which is not
<hiroshi[m]>
@qyliss thanks for the reply. I will be re installing nixos and get use it to it. I think that is the best path if I want to use and contribute to spectrum-os
<qyliss>
:)
<hiroshi[m]>
which fs are you using wiht nixos ?
<qyliss>
I'm using ZFS, although I somewhat regret it because it makes it difficult to hack on the kernel
<hiroshi[m]>
hehe
<hiroshi[m]>
but snapshots are an excellent feature for sure =P
<hiroshi[m]>
I tested nixos with zfs a few years ago when the only way to installed was without gpt and the encryption was in the beta channel.
<qyliss>
I use it with gpt and encryption is stable now.
<qyliss>
I suspect that I will make spectrum default to btrfs fwiw, but haven't thought about it too much yet.
<hiroshi[m]>
I'm curious about auto snapshot before template upgrades
<hiroshi[m]>
if you don't need zraid like performance,stability btrfs is fine
<zgrep>
I guess since the use-case is generally closer to single-drive / mirroring, BTRFS is good choice.
<zgrep>
Also bcachefs seems like a filesystem to keep an eye on for the future.
<qyliss>
oh yes definitely
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<V>
everyone keeps saying that btrfs eats your data
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<hiroshi[m]>
no everybody. FB likes it a lot
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<multi>
yeah, there was an LWN article recently about how facebook are using btrfs; i think they've got it integrated into their internal container runtime
<Profpatsch>
It’s stable
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<IdleBot_140320b7>
Stories of BtrFS eating data are at least 5 years old now? Currently it is quite stable
<IdleBot_140320b7>
I use BtrFS for /nix/store and ext4 for /home and would recommend the same
<IdleBot_140320b7>
At some point I had a btrfs messed up enough that recovering to working r/w was not worth it. That was long ago, though
<nyanotech>
I had a borked btrfs >5 years ago, but I've been using btrfs everywhere since then and it's been fine
<hiroshi[m]>
the btrfs stories are a warning if you want to use btrfs raid56.
<hiroshi[m]>
but if you have a single disk you can use it with snapshots as a better alternative to lvm/ext4
<hiroshi[m]>
in fact opensuse uses btrfs for a while now (single disk though)
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