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<shapr> Is there some way I can get a list of the files/binaries in a package? I tried to install the nixos-unstsable kaldi package, but couldn't find any of the binaries I expected.
<clever> shapr: `nix-build '<nixpkgs>' -A kaldi && ls -lh result/bin/`
<shapr> clever: thanks!
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123585 → vscode-extensions.hashicorp.terraform: 2.10.2 -> 2.11.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123585
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #123602 → linuxPackages.ati_drivers_x11: remove → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123602
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @wnklmnn opened pull request #123603 → gtk-sharp: fix build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123603
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123450 → platformio: relax zeroconf dependency pin → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123450
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #123604 → esphome: 1.17.2 -> 1.18.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123604
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<orion> Hi. This build appears to be stuck: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122757
<{^_^}> #122757 (by centromere, 6 days ago, open): tinyproxy: 1.10.0 -> 1.11.0
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<hexa-> orion: poked it
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #123605 → [ZHF] linuxPackages.dpdk: 20.05 -> 21.02, fix build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123605
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<orion> hexa-: Thank you!
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<aasg> Can someone confirm that `qemu.ga` on master downloads all of `qemu` as a dependency?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123555 → t-rec: fix darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123555
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123538 → texlab: fix darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123538
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @happysalada opened pull request #123606 → mixRelease: integrate mix2nix → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123606
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed to haskell-updates « haskell.compiler.ghcHEAD: disable Hydra build on aarch64-linux »: https://git.io/JsaWi
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peterhoeg opened pull request #123607 → openmw: ffmpeg_3 -> ffmpeg → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123607
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123602 → linuxPackages.ati_drivers_x11: remove → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123602
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed to haskell-updates « hackage2nix: Mark failing builds broken »: https://git.io/JsalK
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123588 → silicon: fix build error → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123588
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout merged pull request #122719 → haskell: update package set → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122719
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #88841 → haskell: Fix developPackage ignoring extend → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/88841
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #90271 → haskell: Make haskellPackages.callPackage overridable → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/90271
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #115233 → haskellPackages.lol, haskellPackages.lol-apps, haskellPackages.lol-cpp: unbreak build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/115233
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #118434 → haskell-modules: Fixes build for beam-* and postgresql-simple-migration → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/118434
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #119411 → tensorflow-haskell: Unbreak / update to Tensorflow 2.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/119411
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann closed pull request #122728 → haskell-updates: add documentation for workflow → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122728
<sterni> whyyy did I do that
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #122728 → haskell-updates: add documentation for workflow → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122728
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #119411 → tensorflow-haskell: Unbreak / update to Tensorflow 2.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/119411
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #118434 → haskell-modules: Fixes build for beam-* and postgresql-simple-migration → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/118434
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #115233 → haskellPackages.lol, haskellPackages.lol-apps, haskellPackages.lol-cpp: unbreak build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/115233
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #90271 → haskell: Make haskellPackages.callPackage overridable → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/90271
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann reopened pull request #88841 → haskell: Fix developPackage ignoring extend → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/88841
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @colinxs opened pull request #123608 → Extend writeShellScript and friends → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123608
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #123577 → kodiPackages.inputstream-adaptive: 2.6.14 -> 2.6.15 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123577
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @berbiche opened pull request #123609 → nixos/tests/cagebreak: use wayland-info instead of wallutils → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123609
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123610 → ArchiSteamFarm: 4.3.1.0 -> 5.0.6.6 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123610
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @happysalada opened pull request #123611 → ion: unstable-2020-03-22 -> unstable-2020-05-10; fix darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123611
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tfc opened pull request #123612 → vmTools: update distributions → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123612
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123492 → etherape: 0.9.19 -> 0.9.20 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123492
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123564 → pythonPackages.stem: fix build with python 3.9 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123564
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @paperdigits opened pull request #123613 → wlc: init at 1.11 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123613
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #122770 → sequoia: 0.24.0 -> 0.25.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122770
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #123614 → postgresqlPackages.pgvector: 0.1.2 -> 0.1.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123614
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123615 → blflash: 0.3.2 -> 0.3.3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123615
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<{^_^}> Channel nixos-20.09-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/33824cdf8e4 (from 4 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-20.09-small)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #118395 → grafana: add google oauth2 config → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/118395
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123616 → cava: 0.7.3 -> 0.7.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123616
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123617 → cicero-tui: 0.2.0 -> 0.2.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123617
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123618 → cloudflared: 2021.5.6 -> 2021.5.7 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123618
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #123431 → cog: 0.8.0 -> 0.8.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123431
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @JamieMagee opened pull request #123621 → nzbhydra2: refactor → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123621
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @TredwellGit opened pull request #123622 → xorg.libX11: 1.7.0 -> 1.7.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123622
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<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-20.09-darwin advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/33824cdf8e4 (from 5 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-20.09-darwin)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dasj19 opened pull request #123623 → gnome-podcasts: removed cmake from dependencies → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123623
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ben0x539 opened pull request #123624 → kodi-retroarch-advanced-launchers: take `lib` arg → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123624
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @austinbutler opened pull request #123625 → pulumi-bin: 3.1.0 -> 3.2.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123625
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @thefloweringash opened pull request #123626 → libidn2: fix build on darwin → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123626
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #110927 → nixos/qemu-guest-agent: fix start service → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/110927
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fortuneteller2k opened pull request #123627 → linuxPackages.ena: 2.4.1 -> 2.5.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123627
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123628 → esbuild: 0.11.23 -> 0.12.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123628
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Rakesh4G opened pull request #123630 → pythonPackages.fastpair : Updated version and pytest enabled → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123630
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fortuneteller2k opened pull request #123632 → linuxPackages.rtl8814au: move to a more maintained fork → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123632
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #123620 → megasync: temporarily remove ffmpeg dependency → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123620
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<sephii> I can’t get `pip-tools` to work on NixOS. Creating a shell with `nix-shell -p 'python37.withPackages (ps: [ ps.pip-tools ps.setuptools ])'` and then running `pip-compile requirements.in` results in `OSError: [Errno 30] Read-only file system: '/nix/store/50x5vm7sq13sm3mzd5j91wcirqhsqkii-python3-3.7.10-env/src'`
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<sephii> I’ve tried creating a virtualenv using `python -m venv .venv`, but there’s no `pip` in `.venv/bin/` so I cannot install `pip-tools` manually. Any idea?
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<sephii> (actually what I’m trying to do is to install a `requirements.txt` file, which currently fails because of a dependency to a version of Pillow that’s not available as a wheel, forcing me to compile it, which fails because of a missing zlib dependency)
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<evils> sephii: have you tried doing this in a buildPythonPackage?
<evils> if there's an unpackaged dependency, i think the "right way" is to package it, then pass it to your shell to use it
<sephii> evils: I tried adding it to `python37.withPackages (ps: [ ps.pillow ])` hoping pip would see it as already installed and not try to reinstall it but it didn’t work. You mean I should try to override it to use the same version as in the requirements.txt file?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123635 → helmsman: 3.6.10 -> 3.6.11 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123635
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<sephii> (actually I just tried to use direnv with `layout python3` in my `.envrc` and I was able to install and use `pip-tools`. No idea why it worked that way)
<evils> sephii: not what i meant, i'm not particularly familiar with python, but trying to install anything in anything but a proper package is generally the wrong move in nix
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<sephii> evils: Yeah I know, and I wish I could do otherwise. I tried using mach-nix to generate derivations from the python dependencies, but unfortunately it doesn’t support editable dependencies (which don’t come from pypi). :/ I could probably spend some time converting the whole requirements file manually, but I was hoping there would be some easy way to do it (I just need this for my dev environment)
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<evils> sephii: going by how quiet the channel is atm, i'd say ask again later
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fortuneteller2k opened pull request #123636 → linuxPackages.rtl8821cu: fix build for 5.12 kernels → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123636
<sephii> evils: I’ll do that, thanks for the help anyway
<evils> maybe check the discourse forum for similar posts?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sikmir opened pull request #123637 → python3Packages.geopandas: 0.8.1 → 0.9.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123637
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123537 → python3Packages.pysonos: 0.0.46 -> 0.0.48 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123537
<phalrax> Hi, where is the location of <nixpkgs/nixos/modules/installer/cd-dvd/channel.nix> on my local filesystem?
<evils> ,xy phalrax
<{^_^}> phalrax: xyproblem is when you want to do X, and you think Y is how, so you ask about Y instead of X. See <http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341> or <http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem>
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<dminuoso> builtins.toPath <nixpkgs/nixos/modules/installer/cd-dvd/channel.nix>
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<dminuoso> Let them have the Y.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl opened pull request #123638 → libAfterImage: unvendor dependencies → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123638
<evils> dminuoso: easier when you actually know that answer :P
<dminuoso> We could perhaps charge a support fee. Something like, your first two questions are free.
<dminuoso> That seems like it would deal with it automatically
<evils> dminuoso: how do i achieve world domination with Nix?
<dminuoso> World domination with Nix. There is an answer. But, I'll have to think about it.
* dminuoso hints evils, you're supposed to ask "how long?:
* evils answers: 42
<dminuoso> No no. Seven and a half million years!
<dminuoso> You ruined it. :(
<phalrax> dminuoso: thanks!
<srhb> phalrax: Note that the X-Y discussion (probably) is about the fact that that path will change all the time and you shouldn't rely on it :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff opened pull request #123640 → python3Packages.bravia-tv: 1.0.8 -> 1.0.11 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123640
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<evils> dminuoso: well, i wasn't going to waste my second free question, was i?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat merged pull request #122934 → krita: add breeze-icons → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122934
<dminuoso> touché
<dminuoso> evils: Your next question will cost 350$
<dminuoso> Your plan didn't quite work out.
<phalrax> srhb: sure, I just wanted to see what's in there, not write a script that's pointing to it or anything
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<srhb> phalrax: Good! :)
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<evils> that's a surprisingly good reason to ask that question :D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff opened pull request #123641 → python3Packages.pysonos: 0.0.48 -> 0.0.49 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123641
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #122757 → tinyproxy: 1.10.0 -> 1.11.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122757
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jleeuwes opened pull request #123642 → Make warning about authorizedKeys+NixOps more nuanced → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123642
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @michaeladler opened pull request #123644 → sanoid: 2.0.3 -> 2.1.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123644
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @siriobalmelli opened pull request #123645 → pc-ble-driver: 4.1.1 -> 4.1.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123645
<rauno> Can 18.09 be upgrade straight to latest stable ?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @JesusMtnez opened pull request #123646 → slack: 4.15.0 -> 4.16.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123646
<rauno> Any hints/ideas to keep in mind when doing it ?
<dminuoso> rauno: sure, just remember to keep stateVersion the same
<dminuoso> nope, just dont delete the old generation :)
<dminuoso> so you can revert if thinks go wrong
<rauno> So i just upgrade the nixpkgs repo and keep stateVersion 18.09 ?
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<dminuoso> from experience, you should do a reboot afterwards.
<dminuoso> yes
<evils> and read the release notes of every release since 18.09 (they're fairly short)
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<rauno> Okay, as i have some custom changes i should reapply them to clean latest stable i guess
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<evils> well, i say read, i mean skim for relevant changes
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<rauno> Whats the logic behind stateVersion? When it should be upgraded ?
<dminuoso> rauno: its so that highly stateful stuff like postgresql isnt upgraded under the hood
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<rauno> As im using nixops and old nix for manging the systems, then there will be problems i guess ?
<dminuoso> because that would almost guaranteed break, postgres upgrades require manual intervention
<dminuoso> rauno: there should not.
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<rauno> wasnt there this nix v2 issue ?
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<srhb> rauno: The name is really hard to understand, but it's basically about nixos modules, not nix itself.
<Utente19> SORRISI
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @teto opened pull request #123647 → haskell: configuration-common.nix -> overrides.nix → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123647
<rauno> Okay. So when everything works and is upgraded, then i can finally change the stateVersion after reboot ?
<srhb> No, you should never* change it
<rauno> So it stays 18.09 ?
<srhb> Yes.
<srhb> Unless release notes tell you otherwise (and provide you with migration instructions)
<rauno> Oh okay, good to know.
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<srhb> rauno: A simple example for what it might be used for: Say service Foo has a datadir /var/Foo. Someone decides to change it in 21.05 to be /var/lib/Foo, but gates it behind stateVersion >= 21.05. If you were to change your stateVersion willy nilly to 21.05, this compatibility safety would go out the window and your service Foo would start with the new datadir, where none of its data lives.
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<srhb> rauno: That is essentially the purpose of stateVersion
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Izorkin opened pull request #123649 → nixos/nginx: allow 'pipe' and 'pipe2' SystemCallFilters → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123649
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<dminuoso> srhb: well its more than just the location
<srhb> Yes, it was an example of what it _might_ be used for.
<srhb> And what breakage might ensue.
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<dminuoso> srhb: sure, but perhaps postgres is a better motivating example, because just the location of state could be irrelevant.
<srhb> Feel free to explain the more complicated and realistic example :)
<dminuoso> so one motivating reason to bump stateVersion is if you want a newer postgres (default) version
<dminuoso> postgresql generally doesnt have binary compatibility across major versions
<dminuoso> so a bump will lead you with an corrupt/broken database
<dminuoso> refusing to bump stateVersion will keep your default database version old
<dminuoso> its the official example even :P
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<rauno> Hum okay
<atralheaven> Hi, How can I install nightly version of a program that stable version of it is on nixpkgs?
<dminuoso> atralheaven: one option, set up an additional channel and grab it from there.
<evils> presumably nightly doesn't mean from an unstable nixos channel
<atralheaven> dminuoso: and I have to create the channel myself, right?
<atralheaven> no it's not on unstable
<dminuoso> what does nightly refer to then?
<evils> think latest CI/CD release
<evils> s/release/build/
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<evils> atralheaven: i'd update the package in a local nixpkgs checkout, build in there and install the result; i'm not sure if that's an endorsed workflow though
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<atralheaven> is creating a flake easier than creating a channel?
<evils> i think overriding the package in an overlay is probably the endorsed way
<clever> atralheaven: a channel is just an http folder with a tar file named correctly
<dminuoso> "http folder" - that sounds so wrong :P
<clever> atralheaven: a flake is a nix file on a github repo
<atralheaven> but what about their contents? which one is easier to write?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fortuneteller2k opened pull request #123651 → linuxPackages.rtl8821ce: mark broken for aarch64 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123651
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<evils> atralheaven: what's the application?
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<atralheaven> evils: neovim, but I'd love to learn to create nix packages other than that
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff opened pull request #123652 → python3Packages.brother: 1.0.1 -> 1.0.2 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123652
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<atralheaven> overlays are something like plugs in elixir, they get the nix build instructions as input, apply a change to it, and return a new one, right?
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<evils> sounds right
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<evils> neovim nightly doesn't build with the current package...
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #4831 → Fix extra slash in canonPath output → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4831
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<evils> seems to be missing some dependencies
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<atralheaven> evils: I found this: https://github.com/gilligan/nix-neovim-nightly
<atralheaven> but it's pretty old
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<evils> ah, nice
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<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed 6 commits to ca/track-drvoutput-dependencies-2-le-retour: https://git.io/JsVyR
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl opened pull request #123654 → ocamlPackages.ocsigen_server: 2.16.0 → 2.18.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123654
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123575 → kdeltachat: unstable-2021-05-16 -> unstable-2021-05-18 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123575
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<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat opened pull request #4833 → Always send the realisations as JSON → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4833
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<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed to generic-closure-function « Extract a generic `computeClosure` function »: https://git.io/JsVHI
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat opened pull request #4834 → Extract a generic `computeClosure` function → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4834
<chreekat[m]> Would people be interested in removing the irc bridge? It makes this channel unusable from Element, because the scrollback effectively never loads.
<qyliss> chreekat[m]: at least 2/3 of the people in this channel are not using Matrix
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123223 → python3Packages.flask-appbuilder: 3.2.3 -> 3.3.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123223
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<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed to ca/json-realisations-in-worker-protocol « Always send the realisations as JSON »: https://git.io/JsVHR
<drozdziak1> how is allowUnfree done for nix3-profile?
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<chreekat[m]> Yeah, the irc community is huge, which is great, but that's also my point. Trying to shoehorn that whole thing through a flaky bridge makes everything on the matrix side of the bridge pretty hard to engage with
<qyliss> people on IRC rely on being able to talk to people in here who are connected through Matrix, and vice versa
<chreekat[m]> I don't think that this would cause unhealthy fragmentation, because I don't think fragmentation is unhealthy. :) It would just let people use the two tools to their full potential rather than hamstringing one of them
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<Ke> I would say that frequently the backwards compat is part of the full potential
<Ke> though I quess one could still join directly over the freenode bridge, or whateevr
<MichaelRaskin> I remember there is a non-bridged NixOS room on matrix.org
<chreekat[m]> Indeed
<MichaelRaskin> It just has fewer Matrix users than this one
<MichaelRaskin> But Matrix mission statement includes being a good bridgine medium, so…
<chreekat[m]> Aha
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed 7 commits to ca/track-drvoutput-dependencies-2-le-retour: https://git.io/JsVQR
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nomeata opened pull request #123656 → dune.nix: Include dune version in warning when dune is not supported → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123656
<chreekat[m]> Yeah, i guess for me, having one of each (a bridged and a non-bridged channel) is the best, and I'll probably just leave the bridged channel since i can't use it anyway.
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<chreekat[m]> Oh yeah, the Nix channel looks big enough and even has more than one admin and a moderator! More than the Haskell channel can say at present, haha
<chreekat[m]> Ok then my IRC compatriots, take care. :)
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<evils> i think it's hard enough to find someone with know-how on non-trivial matters, without having 7 places to ask
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ymatsiuk opened pull request #123657 → Kernels 2021-05-19 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123657
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #122534 → jackett: 0.17.1027 -> 0.18.15 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122534
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #123248 → gitlab-pages: 1.38.0 -> 1.39.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123248
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<evils> and there were 5 hours without conversation in this channel earlier, clearly it's not bridged far enough xD
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<hyper_ch> infinisil: you're still using bitwarden?
<infinisil> hyper_ch: Never used it
<hyper_ch> google lied? 21 Dec 2019 — 02:25 <infinisil> Ankhers: It also evaluates your configuration.nix to see if ... my part, I actually switched from Lastpass to Bitwarden a while ago.
<hyper_ch> ah.... google just did mix multiple lines together in the search result
<hyper_ch> sorry
<hyper_ch> Baughn: still using bitwaden?
<infinisil> :)
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat opened pull request #4836 → Track the dependencies of CA realisations → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4836
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #122686 → python3Packages.requests-http-signature: 0.1.0 -> 0.2.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122686
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @saschagrunert opened pull request #123659 → runc: 1.0.0-rc94 -> 1.0.0-rc95 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123659
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<lowIQflatearther> teraflops: lol
<{^_^}> Channel nixos-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/7a1fbc38a4b (from 3 days ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable)
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<lowIQflatearther> nixos needs to keep packages up to date or everyone will stick with archlinux freebsd has same problem
<lowIQflatearther> if you want to really compete
<lowIQflatearther> up to you of course
<lowIQflatearther> I would keep nixos but arch has way newer packages
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chivay opened pull request #123661 → pythonPackages.karton-classifier: 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123661
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<qyliss> lowIQflatearther: we have more up to date packages (by absolute count) than any other distributiont
<qyliss> arch is 85% up to date, we're 75%
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @prusnak opened pull request #123663 → electron: enable aarch64-darwin build (for electron 11+) → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123663
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chivay opened pull request #123664 → pythonPackages.karton-mwdb-reporter: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123664
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chivay opened pull request #123666 → pythonPackages.karton-dashboard: 1.1.0 -> 1.2.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123666
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<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed to ca/track-drvoutput-dependencies-2-le-retour « Add a db migration script »: https://git.io/JswfA
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat closed pull request #4267 → Track the dependencies of derivation outputs → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4267
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa opened pull request #123667 → openmolcas: 20.10 -> 21.02 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123667
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chivay opened pull request #123668 → pythonPackages.karton-yaramatcher: 1.1.0 -> 1.1.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123668
<mjlbach> Has the percentage just been dropping because of ZHF stabilization? We were at 80 a month or two ago
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat closed pull request #4060 → Make the tests depend on the nix executable → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4060
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #123669 → prometheus: 2.26.0 -> 2.27.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123669
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<lowIQflatearther> I tried you and you didn't
<lowIQflatearther> I would love to switch
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @chivay opened pull request #123671 → pythonPackages.karton-autoit-ripper: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123671
<lowIQflatearther> do you have pharo.org ?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @benneti opened pull request #123672 → rmapi: 0.0.13 -> 0.0.15 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123672
<hexa-> , pharo
<{^_^}> Invalid command syntax
<hexa-> , pkgs.pharo
<{^_^}> Invalid command syntax
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<evils> > pkgs.pharo
<{^_^}> "<derivation /nix/store/pjf8k52dhba3z0h6aq5hjyzymbmyy6dv-pharo.drv>"
<hexa-> ah, derp
<hexa-> > pharo.version
<{^_^}> attribute 'version' missing, at (string):494:1
<dotlambda> lowIQflatearther: If you compare how up to date NixOS and Arch are, you should also take into account that the AUR is not as up to date as Nixpkgs (68% vs 75%).
<lowIQflatearther> binary isntall only
<lowIQflatearther> now maybe nixos caught up
<lowIQflatearther> its been a year since I tried nix
<lowIQflatearther> hmmmm
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123673 → clojure: 1.10.3.822 -> 1.10.3.839 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123673
<hexa-> also we provide deeper integration for lots of packages via modules, so updates sometimes are less trivial
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<lowIQflatearther> hmmm
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<lowIQflatearther> gcc 9.3? 11.1 arch
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @prusnak opened pull request #123674 → trezor-suite: 21.4.1 -> 21.5.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123674
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<dotlambda> lowIQflatearther: default gcc in unstable is 10.3, but we also provide gcc11
<lowIQflatearther> why not 11.1?
<lowIQflatearther> its stable release
<evils> > gcc11.version
<{^_^}> "11.1.0"
<lowIQflatearther> https://gcc.gnu.org/
<lowIQflatearther> link?
<evils> doh, i just repeated what dot said
<lowIQflatearther> where I see 9.3 when I search your packages
<lowIQflatearther> we are talking BINARY install
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<dotlambda> You have to search the unstable channel
<hexa-> lowIQflatearther: arch is a rolling release distro, NixOS otoh does releases, and releases are always stuck with some version
<hexa-> so if you must, compare arch with nixos unstable
<dotlambda> lowIQflatearther: gcc11 is in the binary cache
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<lowIQflatearther> ok so you do have it
<lowIQflatearther> now what is 'unstable' meaning?
<hexa-> volatile, frequent to change, use at your own risk
<lowIQflatearther> why have that category?
NightA is now known as night
<dotlambda> lowIQflatearther: unstable is rolling like Arch
<hexa-> because it is where nixos is developed before it is stabilized into a release
<lowIQflatearther> gcc11.1 is the latest stable gcc
<CodeBitCookie[m]> Hello everyone
<hexa-> uh-huh
<CodeBitCookie[m]> I have a problem
<lowIQflatearther> yep
<CodeBitCookie[m]> Whenever I run `nix-collect-garbage`
<lowIQflatearther> https://gcc.gnu.org/
<CodeBitCookie[m]> * Whenever I run `nix-collect-garbage -d`
<lowIQflatearther> GCC 11.1 released [2021-04-27]
<evils> lowIQflatearther: gcc 10 was the latest release when nixos 20.09 was released
<lowIQflatearther> oh so nixos is not a rolling release
<lowIQflatearther> hmmmmm
<qyliss> lowIQflatearther: unstable is a rolling release
<lowIQflatearther> lets search for pharo
<CodeBitCookie[m]> <CodeBitCookie[m] "Whenever I run `nix-collect-garb"> it also deletes my `home-manager` stuff and then I have to install home-manager again and then make it install all the packages from my home.nix which is pretty annoying is there any way around this
<evils> nixos has stable releases, and an unstable channel (nixos-unstable) that can be seen as a rolling release
<dotlambda> lowIQflatearther: I would assume most Nixpkgs contributors use the unstable channel on their personal machines and stable channels on servers
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #4834 → Extract a generic `computeClosure` function → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4834
<qyliss> most contributors I know run unstable on servers I think
<dotlambda> then never mind :)
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<qyliss> but could just me my bubble -- there are a lot of nixpkgs contributorts!
<lowIQflatearther> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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<lowIQflatearther> cool distro for sure
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed to ca/replicate-two-glibc « Add a test for the “two glibc” issue »: https://git.io/JswtD
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj merged pull request #123254 → libreswan: 3.2 -> 4.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123254
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj closed pull request #48029 → nixos/libreswan: use /etc/ipsec.conf as config → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/48029
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<MichaelRaskin> I assume that most committers have _something_ installed from ~unstable around
<MichaelRaskin> Note that you can have base system from release and random software from unstable or even some branch
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa opened pull request #123675 → rdma-core: 34.0 -> 35.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123675
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #123677 → nodejs: 14.16.1 -> 14.17.0, 16.1.0 -> 16.2.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123677
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @prusnak merged pull request #123674 → trezor-suite: 21.4.1 -> 21.5.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123674
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123678 → burpsuite: 2021.4.2 -> 2021.5.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123678
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<cvl> Hey guys, does anyone know how to use nix package manager with ubuntu?
<qyliss> cvl: what are you stuck with in particular?
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<cvl> qyliss, I'm curious to hear some experiences because I mainly want to mix apt and nix, and I don't want them to break one another
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq opened pull request #123679 → gh: 1.10.0 -> 1.10.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123679
<qyliss> cvl: Nix doesn't use anything from apt, and keeps everything in its own prefix so nothing else will use stuff from Nix
<qyliss> they shouldn't interfere with each other at all
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl merged pull request #123656 → dune.nix: Include dune version in warning when dune is not supported → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123656
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<cvl> qyliss, can I specify only to use some programs ( but not all nix installed programs ) from nix, while other programs are from apt?
<cvl> I'm mainly worried about nix package dependency break apt side
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @edolstra pushed to matrix « element.io registration »: https://git.io/Jsw3a
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<gchristensen> Eelco and I are working on setting up an alternative to Freenode now, we'll have details soon
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123666 → pythonPackages.karton-dashboard: 1.1.0 -> 1.2.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123666
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @edolstra opened pull request #708 → element.io registration → https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/708
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123664 → pythonPackages.karton-mwdb-reporter: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123664
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123662 → pythonPackages.karton-asciimagic: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123662
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123661 → pythonPackages.karton-classifier: 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123661
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff merged pull request #123670 → pythonPackages.karton-config-extractor: 2.0.0 -> 2.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123670
<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @edolstra pushed to matrix « Copy .well-known »: https://git.io/JswnL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed 731 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/JswnG
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq merged pull request #123679 → gh: 1.10.0 -> 1.10.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123679
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed 3 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/Jswca
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Synthetica9 opened pull request #123680 → nixos/tests/vscodium-wayland: init → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123680
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar merged pull request #123629 → adwaita-qt: 1.1.4 -> 1.3.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123629
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<Georgyo> I noticed today that Eelco signs all his commits with pgp key with an id of "4AEE18F83AFDEB23" but that key is not listed anywhere.
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<Georgyo> The key listed at https://edolstra.github.io/ and https://github.com/edolstra.gpg are the same, but different from the one he signs with it.
<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @edolstra pushed to matrix « Upload .well-known to netlify »: https://git.io/JswCA
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout opened pull request #123682 → Haskell updates → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123682
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<Georgyo> And in fact, the SKS infrastructure has a collision on the key he does sign with https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4AEE18F83AFDEB23
<gchristensen> Georgyo: maybe you could bring that up in ~1 day?
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<Georgyo> Sure, I can re-raise it tomorrow. I don't think it's an actual security problem, just a discrepancy.
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @edolstra merged pull request #708 → element.io registration → https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/708
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos merged pull request #123609 → nixos/tests/cagebreak: use wayland-info instead of wallutils → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123609
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<noonien> hello folks
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat opened pull request #4838 → Recursively substitute the realisations → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4838
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed 2 commits to ca/recursively-substitute-realisations: https://git.io/Jsw8I
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123567 → python3Packages.zeroconf: 0.30.0 -> 0.31.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123567
<noonien> will the nix/nixos namespace move to libera?
<noonien> apparently freenode is going through some major drama: https://www.kline.sh/
<noonien> gchristensen ^
<hexa-> noonien: we are some people over at libera, so it looks like it
<hexa-> there is also something-something matrix going on
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann opened pull request #123683 → haskellPackages: fix infinite recursion by disabling random's tests → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123683
<qyliss> there is no news yet about eventual plans for #nixos
<hexa-> nixos-homepage#708
<qyliss> everything is in flux, aiui
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/708 (by edolstra, 42 minutes ago, merged): element.io registration
<delroth> I mean, does it matter that freenode is going through major drama if the network stays healthy and up? it's basically a commodity with name recognition
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed 8 commits to ca/track-drvoutput-dependencies-2-le-retour: https://git.io/Jsw8g
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat pushed 2 commits to ca/recursively-substitute-realisations: https://git.io/Jsw8a
<qyliss> depends whether you trust the new ownership
<hexa-> delroth: and moderation, and abuse handling, and a team that cares for the infrastructure
<qyliss> I certainly don't
<gchristensen> not sure how healthy it'll remain after what appears to be at least a dozen staff resignations in the last few minutes, delroth
<delroth> why do you need to trust the ownership of your IRC network?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos closed pull request #123522 → rav1e: fix cargoSha256 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123522
<delroth> for your... nickserv email address and password hash?
<hexa-> rather with the platform they provide
<delroth> everything else is publicly logged on channels, and if you rely on privacy for privmsg uhhhh
<qyliss> well, for one I just spent the last hour tearing down our channel for gender minorities, because a leak of the services db could result in people being outed
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<hodapp> I had no idea such a channel even existed
<delroth> qyliss: so to solve that problem you're duplicating the DB and adding a second place where it can be leaked? :)
<noonien> haha
<delroth> (mostly joking, I get the point)
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<endocrimes> abuse handling and infra security is generally a platform trust thing - and if you do a hostile takeover with ~no communication then uhh you don't deserve trust
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<endocrimes> they can't even reliably handle filing UK Accounts, which are relatively trivial to do so...
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<Oluf[m]> hi, what is the recommended way to manage remove nixos installations?
<Oluf[m]> * hi, what is the recommended way to manage remote nixos installations?
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<legendofmiracles> nixops, or deploy-rs
<gchristensen> We've setup a nixos.org matrix server, and a new main channel at #nix:nixos.org -- registration on nixos.org isn't open, but it is open federation of course. Please join us there :)
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<ToxicFrog> oh noooooooo
<Entroacceptor> gchristensen: in light of the freenode things happening ATM?
<MichaelRaskin> What are registration rules, BTW?
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<ToxicFrog> I may just bail entirely, the barrier to entry for matrix is a lot higher than for IRC :/
<Entroacceptor> Oh, first let's read backlog.
<MichaelRaskin> Are you going to use Spaces™?
<gchristensen> ToxicFrog: hopefully we can federate and keep that barrier to entry low
<MichaelRaskin> ToxicFrog: there is always matrixcli…
<gchristensen> MichaelRaskin: registration on nixos.org is not open, it costs $2/user, so only a few accounts necessary to maintain it will exist
<MichaelRaskin> Ah I see
<ToxicFrog> MichaelRaskin: if I were going to use it I'd probably use weechat-matrix, but last time I looked at it the registration process was a lot more heavyweight and complicated than IRC's "enter the server hostname and choose a nick"
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<lukegb> I'll probably just continue to hang out here until it goes away entirely then
<welterde> ToxicFrog: there also appears to be a channel on libera
<averell> what's the best non-electron native client?
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<ToxicFrog> (also if I'm going to be using matrix at all I'd kind of feel morally obligated to host my own matrix node, which is even more work)
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<MichaelRaskin> Hosting is not that hard, but hosting something surviving #nixos requires at least some care, yeah
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<tazjin> ToxicFrog: I don't think Freenode is going away, we can just stay for now (I'm also not moving to matrix)
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<ToxicFrog> tazjin: I mean, if a critical mass of people in this channel move elsewhere then it doesn't really matter, from the perspective of participation in the nixos community, whether the freenode infrastructure stays up; the important part is the people
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<mastarija> Where can I find the documentation for things like isAttrs? I must admit I'm having a hard time navigating the ecosystem and docs. Should I look in packages, options or somewhere else?
<tazjin> ToxicFrog: there's >1k people in here, and I think there's enough inertia in that - we'll see how it shakes out
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<__monty__> mastarija: Many of the lib functions aren't well documented outside of the repository : /
<mastarija> ajs124, so there is no "explorer" like there is for packages and options?
<ajs124> mastarija: none that I'm aware of
<mastarija> ajs124, __monty__ , hah... kind of expected otherwise
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<tazjin> mastarija: this might help understand what's going on with the different "standard libraries": https://github.com/tazjin/nix-1p#standard-libraries
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<mastarija> tazjin, thanks. What I kind of find missing is a good big picture overview of the ecosystem.
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<Ankhers> I znc deployed using nixops. I have the webadmin setup so I have nginx proxy to the port needed and enable ACME for lets encrypt. However, when I visit the endpoint I have setup, I am being told I have a cert for a different domain, which is also setup in the same config. Would anyone know how I can look into this?
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<mastarija> Also, what I still don't quite get is how the final configuration files read by actual applications are being generated.
<mastarija> I understand that nix expressions build a set of attributes, but is that set passed to some bash script at the end?
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<hrnz> so, which network does #nixos move to?
<hyper_ch> libera?
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<tazjin> IMO if people want to move "officially" then an RFC should be proposed for the possible solutions, because something like "oh we're deciding that we're using Matrix from now on" will leave some people behind
<adisbladis> tazjin++
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<tazjin> and also, staying put should be an option
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<lordcirth[m]> Matrix/Element seems fine.
<etu> Should still be an RFC and discussion
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<schmittlauch> For the RFC, I suggest to start discussing at https://discourse.nixos.org/t/join-us-on-matrix-at-nix-nixos-org-migrating-from-freenode/13166/4 or just open an issue/PR
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<pushqrdx> please don't blindly jump ahead to libreirc crap, just think, if that Andrew dude got his hands on freenode, freenode staff are responsible for making that deal
<pushqrdx> they shift blame saying that it's head of staff that made a unilateral decision, but that's a silly execuse
<pushqrdx> if you move, chose another network not freenode and not libreirc
<endocrimes> but that is what happened. Because group ownership of assets wasn’t a thing.
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<qyliss> pushqrdx: Freenode staff are not responsible for making that deal
<qyliss> Freenode staff (other than Christel) have never been involved with Freenode Limited
<pushqrdx> yeah but you can easily make policies that disallows single person from selling your network
<endocrimes> The reality of it is, is that that isn’t how the law works
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<endocrimes> Especially after the company got formed
<endocrimes> And had assets transferred to it (like domain names etc)
<pushqrdx> endocrimes you can do anything with contracts, this is how the law works
<endocrimes> Sure, if whoever is in the position of power (company director of freenode limited) enters into them
<endocrimes> And if the purpose of that company was miscommunicated, and those contracts didn’t get formed, there’s nothing you can do about it
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<pushqrdx> but they made that decision, it's their fault, they are just shifting blame, i am just saying they paint the story as if they are saints
<pushqrdx> you operate a free libre network, you know the risks of giving power to corporate or single entity to sell your stuff to corporates
<pushqrdx> simple
<aanderse> uhh... i just hit discourse and apparently we're moving?! /me reads more
<delroth> I still don't understand what the risks are supposed to be, personally.
<delroth> there has been nebulous FUD about "selling user data" or "monetization", which so far doesn't seem backed by any evidence
<tazjin> delroth++
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<pushqrdx> delroth yeah just words to convince you to join their new network
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<lordcirth[m]> It's not clear why someone would buy Freenode without notice or community buy-in without expecting to benefit from it.
<pushqrdx> delroth i can't find any hard proof of anything other than that they got pissed and decided to leave, all politics
<qyliss> to me it's less about risk, and more about continuity
<qyliss> if all the staffers who've been running Freenode are leaving, what's left is essentially a different IRC network
<qyliss> staff are what made Freenode Freenode
<gchristensen> https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash prizes
<pushqrdx> lordcirth right? like you made a deal with the devil expecting him to be nice?
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<qyliss> staff did not make a deal with the devil
<qyliss> one ex-staffer who happened to own the company made a deal with the devil
<qyliss> that staffer is not involved in libera
<lordcirth[m]> I do wonder why the staff didn't publicly raise concerns about one ex-staffer owning the company.
<pushqrdx> qyliss which is even more stupid
<qyliss> AIUI, they trusted her.
<hyperfekt> pushqrdx: i'm thinking libera.chat could be the best network to jump to because their staff just learnt a very expensive lesson that they'll be very keen not to repeat
<tpw_rules> gchristensen: when was that posted?
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<gchristensen> dunno
<pushqrdx> qyliss why would they allow for such risk all this time?
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<tazjin> gchristensen: will {^_^} keep running here?
<qyliss> pushqrdx: because they were promised that nothing would change, and they believed the person who promised that
<qyliss> the person who owned and sold Freenode Limited was Head of Staff at the time
<pushqrdx> promises... yeah i forgot those exist :D
<qyliss> people trust each other sometimes
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<qyliss> sometimes that turns out to be a mistake
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<pushqrdx> you operate a libre network and you take promises as gurantee of your safety, i'll just give them the benefit of the doubt but again this just makes them not worthy of operating another network simply because these things don't operate on trust
<pushqrdx> they operate on transparency, and taking caution
<hyperfekt> but i really like the idea of nixos owning its own channel. i think it'll just take some time for people to move, and i hope irc stays bridged until then
<pushqrdx> not making deals with corporates, and ensuring that no one person can lash out and destroy your network
<AmandaC> transparency... like sharing the sales contract with the rest of the staff, which wasn't done.
<welterde> pushqrdx: does it really matter that it happens now versus a couple years ago?
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<qyliss> human society operates on trust
<qyliss> you can't escape from that
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<tazjin> hyperfekt: what do you mean by "owning"? My understanding is that the foundation is now paying some company for the Matrix channel, which doesn't seem better
<lordcirth[m]> Distributed trust, not centralized trust.
<pushqrdx> no matter how you spin it, it's their fault, they are just shifting the blame because they look ridiculous. what makes it even more silly is that their last message is "Andrew has malicious intentions and freenode is malicious"
<welterde> since back then the only recourse the staffers would have had is exactly the same as they have now.. only back then it seemed like everything would stay the same (which it did for years.. until now)
<qyliss> tazjin: AIUI they're just outsourcing running the server
<qyliss> the matrix channel is owned by the foundation, thanks to Matrix's decentralisation
<gchristensen> we own/control the namespace
<qyliss> welterde++
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<pushqrdx> qyliss no in the world of corporations and malicious activities everywhere, people learned that trust no longer cuts it
<hyperfekt> operations aren't handled by the foundation, but access is fully controlled by it
<pushqrdx> trust = you will be screwed
<qyliss> pushqrdx: have you audited all the software on your computer?
<hyperfekt> and with matrix aiui the only thing not decentralized about rooms is their names, which each need a server
<pushqrdx> but that is a personal thing isn't it, i am not operating a network for millions of people
<qyliss> pushqrdx: do you expect Freenode to audit all the software on their servers, then?
<AmandaC> Better question: Do you expect every member of the staff to audit everything
<AmandaC> Not delegate, like a responaible community
<pushqrdx> the person responsible for auditing software anywhere, yeah i expect them to do it
<AmandaC> That delegation's trust was broken.
<{^_^}> [nix] @regnat opened pull request #4839 → Gracefully handle duplicate realisations → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4839
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<pushqrdx> you run something for others, you're responsible for their security
<gchristensen> I think this is probably off topic
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<MichaelRaskin> OK, Nixpkgs does not audit upstream package source
<MichaelRaskin> So you just said Nixpkgs is not trustworthy
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<MichaelRaskin> Do you then have anything on-topic for #nixos to say?
<lordcirth[m]> Trustworthiness is not binary
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<pushqrdx> MichaelRaskin you're just saying stuff to sound smart :D
<pushqrdx> i said the person responsible for auditing no matter where he is in the chain is responsible
<pushqrdx> nixos isn't responsible for upstream
<MichaelRaskin> What's the difference?
<pushqrdx> it's responsible for their nixos stuff, you go up the chain another porson is responsible
<MichaelRaskin> NixOS provides binary cache
<pushqrdx> so i trust that everybody in the chain does his job and audit the things they are responsible for
<pushqrdx> yeah but the binary cache is secure by design
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<pushqrdx> again you're just saying random stuff
<AmandaC> if you trust the nixos builders.
<endocrimes> Open Source fundamentally relies on trust, and no level of transparency really changes that.
<gchristensen> +1
<MichaelRaskin> Transparency actually relies on trust
<endocrimes> +1
<gchristensen> MichaelRaskin++
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<qyliss> MichaelRaskin++
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<AmandaC> See: that US college that got banned from the Linux kernel for running social experiments on the maintiners
<endocrimes> yuup
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<orion> AmandaC: In addition to being banned, their commits were reverted!
<AmandaC> yup, some of which couldn't be cleanly done, creating even more work
<azazel> gchristensen: back from the matrix experience? ;-)
<endocrimes> This is a big part of what people misunderstand about OSS, at any nontrivial scale, it fundamentally relies on reputation, trust, and mutual respect because otherwise it all falls apart. Eventually you have some guardrails to limit blast radius of breaches of trust, but... they can only go so far
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<gchristensen> endocrimes++
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<gchristensen> azazel: no, I'm in Matrix now: https://matrix.to/#/!MKvhXlSTLGJUXpYuWF:nixos.org?via=nixos.org however migrating is a process
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<hyperfekt> so do i understand correctly that in matrix a user's identity is controlled by their homeserver? so a malicious homeserver could take control of rooms, which would require everyone to rejoin since the room id is only resolved once?
<hyperfekt> so ultimately trust is kind of split between the company operating nixos' server (controls the room) and the nixos foundation (controls the address of the room)
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<MichaelRaskin> User identity is controlled by the user's HS (like email)
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<MichaelRaskin> Controlling the original server doesn't give you that much if you have many users from other homeservers, because consensus rules
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<MichaelRaskin> (there was a joke that matrix.org being down for a week made #matrix:matrix.org room work better for the rest)
<hyperfekt> the original server of a room is irrelevant. but the users administrating it are not
<MichaelRaskin> Yes, homeserver of the users administrating the room can hijack their identities
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<simpson> Is it a goal to be able to keep using IRC clients? Or are we going to have to find new ways to connect?
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<hyperfekt> i have the same question, because i will probably want to run my own homeserver if i use matrix, which is nontrivial
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<nawosi> hyperfekt: it's not too hard using the nixos modules
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<Baughn> There’s already an active NixOS chat on discord, fwiw.
<hyperfekt> haha getting a program running is the least of my concerns
<nawosi> Baughn: discord, the proprietary platform?
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<Baughn> Yeah.
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<Baughn> I’d prefer not to go with that.
<supersandro2000> rauno: just change it and fix whats broken. No one tests configs with 18.09
<Baughn> But to be realistic, all the alternatives kinda suck. It’s hard work getting people to use anything else. I have some experience with that. :(
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<Baughn> Discord, well... just works, for most people.
<gchristensen> discord was a hard no based on openness
<Baughn> Fair enough. Matrix then?
<qyliss> Baughn: scroll up :P
<carbolymer> matrix, bloated webshit
<Baughn> I can’t. Freenode keeps disconnecting me today.
<MichaelRaskin> Web part is optional, though
<Baughn> Ah
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<legendofmiracles> <MichaelRaskin "Web part is optional, though"> There are several clients, it's more of a standard/protocol
<MichaelRaskin> I know
<Baughn> Its consistency leaves something to be desired, but I guess it’s the best option.
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<carbolymer> I was running homeserver (synapse) for a while, its resource usages is absurd
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<MichaelRaskin> It gets … less absurd as development progresses
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<exarkun> did they finish rewriting it in golang yet
<supersandro2000> exarkun: not done yet
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @maxeaubrey opened pull request #123695 → nomad_1_0: 1.0.5 -> 1.0.6, nomad_1_1: init at 1.1.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123695
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth merged pull request #122784 → nixos-install-tools: init → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122784
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<hexa-> ma27[m]: if you are confident about the synapse pr, maybe get it in asap, so selfhoster can join the matrix space :<
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth merged pull request #123591 → podman-compose: 0.1.5 -> 0.2.0pre-2021-05-18 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123591
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @prusnak merged pull request #123689 → bcal: cleanup package, enable aarch64-darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123689
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #123520 → macchina: 0.7.2 -> 0.8.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123520
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dgliwka opened pull request #123697 → pythonPackages.hypercorn: init at 0.11.2 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123697
<afontain_> neat, there is now a matrix channel /join #nix:nixos.org
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<neiluj> SumnerEvans[m]: Thanks again for your dotfiles. I narrowed down the issue and found that pipewire crashes, while the xdg-desktop-portal services are running fine.
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<SumnerEvans[m]> neiluj: glad they helped!
<SumnerEvans[m]> hexa-: I am currently running 1.34 without any issues, so I think it's safe to merge.
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<ma27[m]> hexa-: I am (tested against my "productive" instance with both the deprecated configs and the replacement in the module I wrote). However I'm not really in the mood today for that maintenance stuff. Unless somebody is faster with merge+backport (note that IMHO only the bump, not the module change should be backported), I'll do it tomorrow.
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<hexa-> ma27[m]: ok
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<NemesisD> i'm getting an error that says that it cannot convert a function to a string. is there any way that i can get a trace that actually shows arguments when evaluating functions?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123355 → matrix-synapse: 1.33.2 -> 1.34.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123355
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @humancalico opened pull request #123700 → tremor-rs: 0.11.1 -> 0.11.2 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123700
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #123701 → matrix-synapse: 1.33.2 -> 1.34.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123701
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar merged pull request #123658 → gnomeExtensions.fuzzy-app-search: 4 -> 4.0.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123658
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<simukis_> Hm, linux kenrel apperas to fail to build with gcc: fatal error: cannot execute 'as': execvp: No such file or directory in a current nixos-unstable-small.
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<simukis_> is that a known issue? I didn't see any issue reports to that effect, but I don't trust my search ability
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123641 → python3Packages.pysonos: 0.0.48 -> 0.0.49 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123641
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<cutefurry3> Hey, I was am currently trying to install NixOS, but for some reason GRUB wont work. I am installing on GPT /  UEFI with this grub config
<cutefurry3> ```
<cutefurry3>   boot.loader.grub = {
<cutefurry3>     enable = true;
<cutefurry3>     version = 2;
<cutefurry3>     device = "/dev/sda";
<cutefurry3>     efiSupport = true;
<cutefurry3>     useOSProber = true;
<cutefurry3>   };
<cutefurry3> ```
<cutefurry3> but whenever I try to run `nixos install` the installation fails with this message
<cutefurry3> ```
<cutefurry3> mktemp: failed to create directory via template ‘/tmp/os-prober.XXXXXX’: No such file or directory
<cutefurry3> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdc1.  Check your device.map.
<cutefurry3> lsblk: /dev/mapper/no*[0-9]: not a block device
<cutefurry3> lsblk: /dev/mapper/raid*[0-9]: not a block device
<cutefurry3> lsblk: /dev/mapper/disks*[0-9]: not a block device
<cutefurry3> installing the GRUB 2 boot loader on /dev/sda...
<HedgeMage> cutefurry3: PASTEBIN
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<cutefurry3> pastebin for under 20 loc, yep
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123456 → home-assistant: enable alot more component tests → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123456
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<hexa-> pastebin for > 3 LOC
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<cutefurry3> ok sry, will do next time
<hexa-> happens :)
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<cutefurry3> https://bsd.ac/77yynfq heres the full log / error message again, was cut of for some reason
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle merged pull request #123553 → python3Packages.clickhouse-driver: unbreak → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123553
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #123702 → solc: make darwin friendly → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123702
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fortuneteller2k opened pull request #123703 → tiramisu: 1.0 -> unstable-2021-05-18 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123703
<{^_^}> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/5e7aac4bd3f (from 4 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer closed pull request #123605 → [ZHF] linuxPackages.dpdk: 20.05 -> 21.02, fix build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123605
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #123704 → python3Packages.hatasmota: 0.2.12 -> 0.2.13 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123704
<hexa-> #123704
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123704 (by mweinelt, 29 seconds ago, open): home-assistant: 2021.5.4 -> 2021.5.5
<hexa-> fixed :)
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<chloekek> Is it possible to have a Haskell workflow like nix-shell --run 'cabal build' with Haskell dependencies using ghcWithPackages?
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<dminuoso> chloekek: Can you rephrase that question?
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<dminuoso> Ah I think I understand what you mean
<dminuoso> Just on the off chance you are looking in the wrong direction, have you looked into haskell.nix?
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<chloekek> When I run cabal under this shell it complains that ‘The package list for 'hackage.haskell.org' does not exist.’
<dminuoso> that seems like an incredibly awkward thing to do
<dminuoso> you want to use cabal old-style?
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<dminuoso> Because that seems to be the only reason to even use ghcWithPackages here
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<chloekek> I don’t know
<dminuoso> Why do you want ghc.withPackages then
<dminuoso> What is your ultimate goal here?
<chloekek> I want to take dependencies from Nixpkgs so they are already built, instead of from Hackage
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<dminuoso> Then just use callCabal2nix?
<shla> https://pastebin.com/raw/x24SpU5c - what's wrong with this binary? I compiled it on debian10 and scp'ed to nixos 20.09
<dminuoso> And if you want more cabal-like availability of versions instead of the stack-like curated list, haskell.nix has your back
<chloekek> I’ll check what kind of file cabal2nix generates
<pennae> shla: you can't just run binaries from other distros
<shla> why not? isn't it using same libc?
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<dminuoso> shla: the elf interpreter is the problem
<shla> are they not compatible?
<pennae> nix doesn't put ld.so or other libraries where other distros expect them
<dminuoso> shla: elf binaries can have their elf interpreter path hardwired into the binary
<dminuoso> nix does not have a global elf interpret at some well known location
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<shla> i see
<dminuoso> instead, in nix they are placed in the nix store - giving you the freedom to have multiple concurrent elf interpreters
<dminuoso> but that means, you cant run these programs from other distros
<dminuoso> that's what we have patchElf for
<dminuoso> *patchelf
<chloekek> Ah, so I have to make a derivation for the Haskell program and then use that as a Nix shell thing
<shla> dminuoso, thanks
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sophrosyne97 opened pull request #123705 → scenebuilder: fix build error → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123705
<dminuoso> chloekek: right, and if you use callCabal2nix, this derivation gets updated automatically. With haskell.lib.shellFor you can also provide a derivation for nix-shell
<dminuoso> err, haskellPackages.shellFor
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<dminuoso> (possibly in combination with withHoogle)
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<dminuoso> for more complex scenarios, haskell.nix has some pretty cool features too
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123701 → [20.09] matrix-synapse: 1.33.2 -> 1.34.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123701
<mjvc[m]> Hi, does anyone know how to trigger letsencrypt certificate renewal? I thought it'd be automatic or on rebuild, but that seems to not be the case.
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<hrnz> there are timers
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<hrnz> systemctl restart acme-<name>.service should do
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123651 → linuxPackages.rtl8821ce: mark broken for aarch64 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123651
<mjvc[m]> <hrnz "systemctl restart acme-<name>.se"> thanks! I'm surprised this isn't setup when I enabled the option in nginx
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<dminuoso> chloekek: what I usually do, is use an overlay to mix my own haskell library into haskellPackages, such that I have some `let ... pkgs = extendedPkgs.haskellPackages; in { libA = pkgs.libA; libB = pkgs.libB; shell = pkgs.shellFor { withHoogle = true; packages = p: [p.libA p.libB]; buildInput = [ pkgs.ghcide ];}; }
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123705 → scenebuilder: fix build error → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123705
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<dminuoso> chloekek: note I just wrote this expression from the top off my head, so there might be some rough edges
<dminuoso> but hopefully it gives you an idea
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bobrik opened pull request #123706 → python3Packages.cryptography: add missing libiconv build dependency on darwin → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123706
<chloekek> dminuoso: Are libA and libB in that case your packages that you are developing inside the shell?
<dminuoso> well, not necessarily in the shell
<dminuoso> but sure
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<moet> i'm trying to upgrade and i'm getting a message about ffmpeg being insecure.. what's the easiest way to see what's pulling in the insecure package?
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<chloekek> I’m very confused, but thanks for the help. I’ll try some more things.
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<dminuoso> chloekek: That's a somewhat complete example. Not sure whether it builds right now
<dminuoso> chloekek: the advantage of this approach, is that this is very modular
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<dminuoso> you can easily have multiple libraries interacting with each other nicely
<dminuoso> Then you can have a stub shell.nix containing `(import ./.).shell`
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<dminuoso> And stuff will just work out
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @leotaku opened pull request #123707 → netdata: 1.30.1 -> 1.31.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123707
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #122211 → valentina: downgrade qt to 5.12 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122211
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #122943 → pythonnet: 2.4.0 -> 2.5.2 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122943
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fzakaria opened pull request #123708 → jdk8: Remove default java.library.path → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123708
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<figsoda[m]> if we are moving out of freenode, i would suggest using matrix.org (or self hosted?) with bridges to irc like libera.chat
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<qyliss> figsoda[m]: #Nix:nixos.org
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed 192 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/Jsr8D
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123668 → pythonPackages.karton-yaramatcher: 1.1.0 -> 1.1.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123668
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<styledash> rip failnode
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123311 → agi: 1.1.0-dev-20210513 -> 1.1.0-dev-20210514 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123311
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123320 → earthly: 0.5.12 -> 0.5.13 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123320
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123704 → home-assistant: 2021.5.4 -> 2021.5.5 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123704
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<exarkun> is there any way to reach the complete set of nodes in a morph configuration from the nixos configuration for a particular node?
<exarkun> (the "network" I guess?)
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<exarkun> for example, if I want a firewall configured that explicitly allows traffic from all nodes in the morph network, can I just derive the firewall config by visiting nodes in the network somehow?
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<fzakaria_> Can someone help me with a `nix-run` command where I also override an attribute?
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<benley> guh. I really wish builtins.fetchTarball didn't depend on an implicitly-present `tar` executable.
<benley> same for builtins.fetchGit, ideally.
<benley> this keeps biting me in the face when doing Docker stuff.
<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/761f95efa6a (from 14 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-unstable)
<ajs124> benley: AFAIR tar is phased out in nix master. replaced with libarchive. although I might be wrong about that.
<benley> cool - is that going to land in nix 2.4?
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<busti> looks like freenode is having a meltdown
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<benley> busti: yeah it sounds like there is some drama going down in the freenode sphere :-/
<busti> Maybe someone should open a post on the meta board
<benley> busti: I haven't read much of this but here's what I came across: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nfqw0t/thoughts_on_the_state_of_the_freenode_irc_network/
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<ajs124> benley: as far as I can tell, yes
<{^_^}> nix#3333 (by yorickvP, 1 year ago, merged): Use libarchive for all decompression (except brotli)
<benley> ajs124: nice, nice. Here's hoping nix 2.4 gets a stable release soon :-)
<gchristensen> ,matrix Join us on Matrix at our space: https://matrix.to/#/!MKvhXlSTLGJUXpYuWF:nixos.org?via=nixos.org or #nix:nixos.org
<gchristensen> ,matrix = Join us on Matrix at our space: https://matrix.to/#/!MKvhXlSTLGJUXpYuWF:nixos.org?via=nixos.org or #nix:nixos.org
<{^_^}> matrix defined
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123630 → pythonPackages.fastpair : Updated version and pytest enabled → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123630
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<busti> yeah, matrix seems like a good option
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<pennae> gchristensen: is there/will there be an irc bridge to another network?
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<ashkitten> gchristensen: my matrix server doesn't support spaces :/
<gchristensen> mmm
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<benley> this is where I would usually drop a plug for Zulip, but matrix is probably appropriate for this
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<benley> ohhhh nix-env doesn't really obey NIX_PATH, does it. I keep forgetting how weird this tool is.
<aleph-> Bah lemme go get weechat-matrix set up
<benley> oh speaking of chat options: there is also a NixOS discord instance, for what it's worth. https://discord.com/invite/RbvHtGa
<benley> (it's linked from here: https://nixos.org/community/index.html)
<gchristensen> we very briefly considered discord but decided against it on the basis of openness
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<benley> I support using something more open than discord too
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<jonringer> If anyone wants to join the unofficial discord link is here: https://discord.com/invite/RbvHtGa
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<jonringer> but I understand if people aren't happy with it. And I think we should have a more official libre option
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<benley> yeah same. I think discord is pretty nice to use, but I can't argue against a properly open/libre system.
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<jlamothe> I kind of like the idea behind RetroShare, but I've not been able to get the current version running on anything at all, let alone NixOS.
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<ashkitten> time to upgrade my matrix server and enable the spaces beta...
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mindavi opened pull request #123713 → git: support cross-compilation by disabling perl support → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123713
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123578 → metals: 0.10.2 → 0.10.3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123578
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<ashkitten> gchristensen: at least until spaces are out of beta i think the rooms in the nixos space should be joinable without spaces support (with room addresses in a list somewhere)
<qyliss> the wiki would be the obvious place
<qyliss> since that's where the IRC channel list lives
<gchristensen> that is a good idea, ashkitten
<gchristensen> ashkitten: are you in the main room now?
<aleph-> gchristensen: Yeah is nixOS running its own matrix server?
<ashkitten> i'm still working on deploying new synapse
<aleph-> Trying to get weechat-matrix up and running
<qyliss> aleph-: it's a dedicated server run by element matrix services
<qyliss> it is not open to registration
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<ashkitten> gchristensen: which is the "main room"?
<gchristensen> #nix:nixos.org
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<ashkitten> is that in the space? i don't see it listed
<gchristensen> what is your fully qualified name on matrix?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #123714 → alacritty: 0.7.2 -> 0.8.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123714
<ashkitten> @kity:kity.wtf
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<ashkitten> gchristensen: okay i joined the room, it's just not in the space
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dgliwka opened pull request #123715 → pythonPackages.manhole: 1.7.0 -> 1.8.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123715
<gchristensen> are you kity?
<ashkitten> i am
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<ar> uhm
<ar> nixos is moving entirely to matrix?
<gchristensen> ah, the /18 was not intentional
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<MichaelRaskin> > <Fuchs> Arathorn: I shall see that we can discuss it at the meeting this weekend, it's not an easy decision since Matrix obviously has a fair share of freenode users and there were some issues with the bridge
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel merged pull request #123290 → plasma-sdk: init at 5.21.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123290
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<JosefKemetmller[> My first time using matrixa Nd tried creating an account on nixos.org via the android "element" app. The server didn't accept the Gmail domain though. Am I doing something wrong? Am I not supposed to register there?
<gchristensen> JosefKemetmller[: you'll need to register elsewhere, like matrix.org -- then join our space / channel
<JosefKemetmller[> gchristensen: 👌
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @stephank opened pull request #123717 → bacon: fix darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123717
<ar> eh
<ar> if only weechat-matrix wasn't deprecated and weechat-matrix-rs wasn't alpha/beta
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123351 → pythonPackages.buildPythonPackage: enable verbose output with `pyproject` → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123351
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<lunik1> there is another termimal-based client, but I forget the name
<pinkieval> ar: every Matrix client but Element is alpha or beta...
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #120995 → freetds: 1.2.18 -> 1.2.21 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120995
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<exarkun> alpha and beta: the two kinds of software in 2021
<chvp> lunik1: gomuks probably?
<lunik1> yeah
<qyliss> ar: weechat-matrix isn't exactly deprecated aiui
<ar> https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix >As such, weechat-matrix is in maintenance mode
<qyliss> yeah
<qyliss> I read that as not deprecated, just not getting new features
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<aleph-> ar: I mean weechat-matrix still works
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<aleph-> Just need to get my synapse server up ugh
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @symphorien merged pull request #123089 → dduper: init at v0.04 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123089
<abathur> trying to set up weechat-matrix is making me feel dumb :]
<qyliss> it's not easy
<qyliss> extremely not easy
<abathur> <3 qyliss
<{^_^}> qyliss's karma got increased to 149.00000000000003
<qyliss> you're not alone
<aleph-> Trying to set up synapse is dumbing me
<aleph-> Bah
<aleph-> Might just dummy account for now
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<neiluj> huh, so the channel transition to matrix?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123524 → llvmPackages_11.compiler-rt: fix build on x86_64-darwin → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123524
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt opened pull request #123719 → [20.09] prometheus: fix open redirect vulnerability on /new endpoint → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123719
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #119663 → r2mod_cli: 1.0.7 -> 1.2.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/119663
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<NoahHendrickson[> And here we are on matrix
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<Synthetica> magic!
<abathur> ugh typing notifications
<Mic92> Is than weechat-matrix still the best way to get weechat into matrix?
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<hexa-> apparently so
<hexa-> although there is a rust rewrite on the horizon
<hexa-> ymmv
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<AmandaC> f/nick AmandaGC
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123514 → retroarchBare: use ffmpeg instead of ffmpeg_3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123514
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @samuelgrf opened pull request #123720 → nixos-rebuild: fix creating ./result symlink for flakes → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123720
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<KarlJoad> How can I access and use a subdirectory of a source from another package in another? I use `inherit (other) src;` and I want `sourceRoot = "${src}/subdir"`. When I do that, I end up with permission errors because the store is RO.
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<sterni> KarlJoad: sourceRoot = "subdir"; inherit (other) src;
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<KarlJoad> sterni: I have that. But, when I nix-build that, I have a chmod problem.
<Orbstheorem> Fail: Your server does not support showing space hierarchies.
<Orbstheorem> x)
<Orbstheorem> I should update I guess x)
<sterni> KarlJoad: oh yeah sometimes you have to chmod u+w $src in postUnpack
<sterni> only sourceroot itself is made writeable
<sphalerite> you can't chmod $src, since it's in the read-only-mounted part of the store
<sphalerite> /not owned by the build user
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<KarlJoad> sphalerite: I am very familiar with that problem. I am inheriting the src from another package, with a different name. And want to work with a subdirectory in the inherited src.
<Orbstheorem> Sorry for the noise, from the 'Spaces' URL, I'd guess there's a nixos.org matrix server, if so, what's the room URI to join this chat?
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<gchristensen> ,matrix
<{^_^}> Join us on Matrix at our space: https://matrix.to/#/!MKvhXlSTLGJUXpYuWF:nixos.org?via=nixos.org or #nix:nixos.org
<Orbstheorem> Thanks
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<sterni> sphalerite: of course you can it $src is writeable "${src}" isn't
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<sterni> KarlJoad: what exactly is the error everything below subdir should be writeable
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<KarlJoad> sterni: `chmod: cannot access 'python': No such file or directory`. I am inheriting dolfin's src with `inherit (dolfin) src`, and making `sourceRoot = "python";`.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff opened pull request #123721 → ipinfo: 1.1.2 -> 1.1.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123721
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #123586 → grafana: 7.5.2 -> 7.5.6 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123586
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mindavi opened pull request #123722 → st: support cross-compilation → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123722
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<KarlJoad> sterni: For a link to the file, https://0x0.st/-e-Q.nix
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<sterni> KarlJoad: try adding a find . to preUnpack to debug this
<sterni> seems like you have a wrong assumption about the layout or how the unpackphase interacts with the source
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<KarlJoad> sterni: I know the directory hierarchy. I know what I need to change where. I might be misunderstanding the postUnpack to this.
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<sterni> after unpackPhase cd "$sourceRoot" is executed
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<KarlJoad> Yes. The problem is how do I define $sourceRoot? The commented sourceRoot in my uploaded file also does not work.
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<qyliss> make sure your sourceRoot includes the default value
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<qyliss> e.g. if your root source directory is named "source", make sure you set sourceRoot to "source/foo", not "foo"
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<sterni> it depends on what src is how it's unpacked, if it is something fetchzip-based it'll be a directory called source
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<sterni> if it's fetchzip sourceRoot = "${src.name}/subdir" should work
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #123719 → [20.09] prometheus: fix open redirect vulnerability on /new endpoint → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123719
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<KarlJoad> qyliss: That worked. Thanks. I keep forgetting that is a thing.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mindavi closed pull request #47163 → znc: require network-online.target to start → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/47163
<mjvc[m]> Hi, does anyone have any tips for debugging the generated wireguard tunnel?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Gabriel439 merged pull request #71448 → Fix description for services.kubernetes.addonManager.enable → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/71448
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<mjvc[m]> it doesn't seem to be adding new keys, but I see the corresponding drv when switching
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mindavi closed pull request #59865 → llvm for windows cross compiler → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/59865
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @prusnak merged pull request #123663 → electron: enable aarch64-darwin build (for electron 11+) → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123663
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @svanderburg closed pull request #123723 → uade: init at 2.13 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123723
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bobrik opened pull request #123726 → gtk2: cap MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET at 10.16 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123726
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #123604 → esphome: 1.17.2 -> 1.18.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123604
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bobrik opened pull request #123729 → gsl: cap MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET at 10.16 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123729
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123702 → solc: make darwin friendly → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123702
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123488 → clickhouse: 20.11.4.13-stable -> 21.3.11.5-lts → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123488
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fabaff opened pull request #123730 → python3Packages.aioshelly: 0.6.2 -> 0.6.3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123730
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #122324 → chia: init at 1.1.5 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/122324
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle merged pull request #123473 → opencl-clang: fix darwin build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123473
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle merged pull request #123455 → pythonPackages.vdirsyncer: fix build with python 3.9 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123455
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @baloo opened pull request #123732 → ruby: improve reproducibility of gem built → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123732
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mindavi opened pull request #123733 → libwacom: 1.9 -> 1.10 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123733
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @maxeaubrey opened pull request #123734 → terraform_0_15: 0.15.3 -> 0.15.4 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123734
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<Rusty1> ,locate oftc
<{^_^}> Couldn't find in any packages
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123500 → openjfx11: use ffmpeg instead of ffmpeg_3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123500
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<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/7013a0f2791 (from 11 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-unstable)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123496 → ffmpeg_3: mark as insecure → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123496
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #123711 → megacmd: temporarily remove ffmpeg dependency → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123711
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #123736 → python3Packages.hdbscan: disable flaky test → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123736
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #123737 → latte-dock: 0.9.11 -> 0.9.12 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123737
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<vikanezrimaya> Ok, I've got a question for NixOS container lovers! Can you explain the reason for existence of nixpkgs/nixos/modules/virtualisation/nixos-containers.nix#L141 that disables `--link-journal=try-guest` systemd-nspawn argument when the container is "ephemeral"? Can it be replaced with `--link-journal=try-host` to store the container journal on the
<vikanezrimaya> host?
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<vikanezrimaya> I kinda want the logs but I also kinda want the ephemeral containers...
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mweinelt merged pull request #123730 → python3Packages.aioshelly: 0.6.2 -> 0.6.3 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123730
<vikanezrimaya> The `--volatile=state` option sounds a lot like a persistence setup by gchristensen but for a single container...
<vikanezrimaya> I wonder if a container will run with it? i kinda don't want to experiment in production
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar merged pull request #123733 → libwacom: 1.9 -> 1.10 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123733
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @austinbutler opened pull request #123738 → xh: 0.9.2 -> 0.1.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123738
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann pushed 2 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/JsoIG
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @drewrisinger opened pull request #123740 → python3Packages.cirq: 0.10.0 -> 0.11.0 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123740
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #123741 → containerd: 1.5.1 -> 1.5.2, use buildGoModule → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123741
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann pushed 2 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/JsoLt
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #123742 → python3Packages.nassl: fix build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123742
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<gchristensen> ,matrix note vikanezrimaya
<{^_^}> note vikanezrimaya: Join us on Matrix at our space: https://matrix.to/#/!MKvhXlSTLGJUXpYuWF:nixos.org?via=nixos.org or #nix:nixos.org
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<vikanezrimaya> oh, we're moving to Matrix now?...
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<Kinnison> gchristensen: Is that matrix space going to be bridged to any other IRC server?
<gchristensen> unsure today
<Kinnison> gchristensen: because I'm somewhat against adding *yet another* chat system to my pile :(
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<g-w1> :(
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth opened pull request #123744 → ghostunnel: init → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123744
<vikanezrimaya> ohhhhhhhh ...
<vikanezrimaya> i don't have the right words for what I just read, only russian profanities which I will abstain from printing in this chatroom
<gchristensen> I appreciate that in both ways
<vikanezrimaya> :3
<vikanezrimaya> is the registration on the nixos.org server open? I don't have my own homeserver and I've heard the biggest one is unbearably slow
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* Kinnison and his husband ran their own homeserver for a bit until we realised (a) the homeserver impl didn't do vhosting, so we couldn't use our own domain names and (b) it ate a billion resources just to exist in a couple of rooms.
<Kinnison> Until homeserver tech gets a *lot* better, I'll likely be avoiding matrix :(
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<vikanezrimaya> yeah, current homeserver implementations are either incomplete or very resource-hungry. I tried to run Synapse on my NixOS laptop-turned-server once and it just ate all my RAM from sitting in one chatroom.
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<vikanezrimaya> that was 2 years ago though
<vikanezrimaya> still I doubt I could find a homeserver to run on my RPi4 with 4 gigs of RAM that also runs a bunch of other services
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<gchristensen> not open for registration today, too expensive for us right now
<vikanezrimaya> ok then
<sumner[m]> vikanezrimaya: matrix.org is a lot faster these days.
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<vikanezrimaya> good to know!
<vikanezrimaya> still Matrix is supposed to be federated, and all the people existing on a single homeserver is a bit against that
<vikanezrimaya> I'll try to search a bit more
<MichaelRaskin> There is the anchel list…
<Kinnison> I tried a Rust homeserver impl, but sadly it's not really able to do a lot of things which are necessary, like create private rooms, and share them across to another user
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Maybe update the topic of this channel to refer to the matrix channel?
<ajs124> vikanezrimaya: synapse has gotten a lot better. although I do run it on a machine with 8GB of ram that doesn't do anything else.
* vikanezrimaya todo get a 8G raspberry pi and run Synapse on it
<MichaelRaskin> Synapse is that thing that periodically gets truly better about resource consumption, but hasn't yet run out of truly betters
<ajs124> it's "only" sitting at 2.7G used right now, running postgres, synapse (both with cache sizes increased manually) and the irc appbridge
<welterde> MichaelRaskin: still 2-3 orders of magnitude to go ;)
<sumner[m]> vikanezrimaya: there are currently 108 different servers participating in the #nix:nixos.org room, so luckily (at least in this community) centralization on a single server isn't too big of a problem :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda opened pull request #123745 → python3Packages.ytmusicapi: 0.16.0 -> 0.17.1 → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123745
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<lunik1> I wonder how many of those are home servers, there are only a handful of matrix servers with public registration I am aware of
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @baloo closed pull request #123732 → ruby: improve reproducibility of gem builds → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123732
<sumner[m]> lunik1: "homeserver" = "server"
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<gchristensen> sumner[m]: amazing, that is 50%
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<lunik1> yeah guess I meant private single-user instances
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<vikanezrimaya> ugh the thing that's making me anxious about matrix is the fact that I feel like I need to choose a homeserver wisely
<vikanezrimaya> because it will basically be a part of my identity
<adisbladis> Yeah, that's a misdesign of matrix imo
<vikanezrimaya> and i've heard of homeservers blocking federation with others because of conflicts
<vikanezrimaya> so right now I'm not sure how to find a homeserver that will share my belief, including political stances in some cases
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<vikanezrimaya> because while I don't like bringing politics into other things, other people WILL do that inevitably
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<adisbladis> This is a problem with the fediverse overall
<vikanezrimaya> so one will have to pick a side eventually
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<vikanezrimaya> I learned that the hard way with Mastodon
<vikanezrimaya> I wonder if some of the instance I am on host Matrix servers...
<adisbladis> ID sovereignty needs to be a factor considered by protocol designers
<adisbladis> But it's not easy
<sumner[m]> There are plans (but only plans) to make user accounts mobile between matrix homeservers.
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<adisbladis> sumner[m]: Any references on that?
<adisbladis> This kind of thing is my jam
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<sumner[m]> <adisbladis "sumner: Any references on that?"> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2787
<{^_^}> matrix-org/matrix-doc#2787 (by neilalexander, 34 weeks ago, open): MSC2787: Portable Identities
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<adisbladis> sumner[m]: Thanks :) Now I know what to read when I'm inevitably laying sleepless
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #123742 → python3Packages.nassl: fix build → https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/123742