<matthewcroughan>
I can't really verify whether any of this works, sigh ;D
<matthewcroughan>
Trying to get quasselClient going dark
<clever>
matthewcroughan: i think you can only put a single theme name in that list
<clever>
you must pick either Pop or Pop-dark
<matthewcroughan>
ah, I didn't realise you were giving me two theme names
<clever>
ls automatically quotes spaces if they are present
<clever>
its also bad practice in linux to have spaces in filenames
<matthewcroughan>
clever: any good gtk apps to test theming with?
<clever>
pavucontrol maybe?
<matthewcroughan>
hah, yeah okay so that worked after relogging gdm
<matthewcroughan>
but quassel is still white, it's a qt app, wonder what I need to do now
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<clever>
matthewcroughan: applications->settings->session and startp->advanced, "launch gnome services", "launch kde services"
<matthewcroughan>
`qt.platformTheme` "gnome" must have `qt.style` set to a theme that supports both Qt and Gtk, for example "adwaita" or "adwaita-dark".
<matthewcroughan>
clever: what are those instructions for? I'm using sway :D
<clever>
those directions are for xfce
<clever>
the xfce session manager has a checkbox to also run gnome and kde session services
<matthewcroughan>
yeah I want no imperative steps in my config, declaration only ;D
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<matthewcroughan>
ah ok it's another case of setting .style and .name
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<matthewcroughan>
damn, still can't get it to work though
<phalrax>
Hi, is there a way to see which packages got updated to which version when doing a rebuild? Right now it's only saying building these derivations, but they don't have a version number or anything
<srhb>
phalrax: Paradoxically, it's really easy to see what changed using eg. nix-diff, but it's not as easy to find only version updates, and not things that changed for _some_ reason including dependency tree changes.
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<phalrax>
maybe I'm just spoiled from Gentoo, you get a really nice overview there. didn't know about nix-diff though, thanks!
<clever>
phalrax: there is a version# at the end of the derivation names, in the list of things its about to build/fetch
<aaronjanse>
Is there some way I could catch fetchGit errors with something like tryEval? I want to have a fallback for a private git repository in my dotfiles
<supersandro2000>
s1341_: nix doesn't log to much by default
<supersandro2000>
but you can check the nix-daemon service
<s1341_>
what about it?
<s1341_>
it looks like the first two builds have started (of 11) but they don't output build-output to the client machine... and the rest of the scheduled jobs are just MIA.
<supersandro2000>
did you tell the remote builder to build more jobs?
<ehmry>
s1341_: are these nixos hosts, or something else with nix installed?
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<s1341_>
the client is nixos... the server is nix on ubuntu
<s1341_>
@ehmry
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<ehmry>
s1341_: I've seen other people have problems with how the nix-daemon is configured on debian, but unfortunately for you I only use native nixos remotes
<nschoe>
Hi everyone, does anyone has issue wiht LaTex? I'm trying to generate a PDF from emacs, but it fails with "! LaTeX Error: File `wrapfig.sty' not found.". I have "texlive.combined.scheme-small" installed. Should I install a bigger latex package?
<immae>
`does anyone has issue wiht LaTex?` I believe the answer is usually "yes" :p
<etu>
nschoe: I often customize my latex packages in a nix-shell
<immae>
In your case you might simply want to add the missing package (wrapfig) to your bundle
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<yaymukund>
do y'all consider hardware-configuration.nix to be private?
<yaymukund>
or is it safe to check in publicly. I guess the only identifier i see is the uuid, which doesn't seem like it could be exploited
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<maralorn>
yaymukun1: I think it’s safe. I have them public and I never considered it a problem. Assuming you don‘t have disk-decryption secrets in there. But that sounds like a bad idea anyways.
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<yaymukund>
maralorn: that makes sense, thanks
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<s1341_>
supersandro2000: it's not ssh... ssh is working fine... it's nix itself... nix seems to be not be responding to SSH2_MSG_KEXTINIT messages after a number of connections
<{^_^}>
[nix] @edolstra merged pull request #4646 → Fix Nix to properly work with stores using a scoped IPv6 address → https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4646
<nomadtester>
what is this nixos, never heard of it
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<supersandro2000>
It is some strange Linux distro no one really uses
<nomadtester>
is it another debian systemd fork?
<ToxicFrog>
It's a linux distro based around declarative configuration (e.g. all of /etc is generated from a master config file, all builds are hermetic)
<ToxicFrog>
I don't know if it supports persistent livesystem like suse and puppy do
<ToxicFrog>
Like, you can boot from the live image and use it with no issues, but I don't know if it has a built in way of saving /home to a USB stick or whatever
<ToxicFrog>
(I've only ever used it to install on new systems or as a rescue disk)
<nomadtester>
I think linux kernel supports live boot
<nomadtester>
added squashfs and xz compression, and aufs and xfs in it, so they work at boot time, root is compressed using xz squashfs, boot is on xfs
<nomadtester>
btw i have just tested nomadbsd, it worked one time, then something went wrong, rebooted it, and UFS died miserably
<simpson>
I don't think that we can help with that.
<nomadtester>
awesome when the root becomes corrupted and boot time tells you to run fsck manually
<nomadtester>
simpson: probably not, lol
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<nomadtester>
if i could hack xfs on it, maybe it would be more usable
<ToxicFrog>
nomadtester: I mean, it definitely supports the capabilities you'd need to build a persistent liveusb, and other distros (like the ones I mentioned) are already doing that. I just don't know if the nixos live image has persistence available out of the box or if you'd have to burn a custom one.
<nomadtester>
There are a few bsd systems out there, some comes with x11, some with zfs, one has a good reliable filesystem (dragonfly) though it is 64 bit only, it seems so, that bsds are designed to do only one thing right, and not have many features to the end user, restricting, crippling its usability
<simpson>
Maybe implementing things is hard.
<nomadtester>
But they don't use each other's features either...
<simpson>
Sometimes software has very different internals despite having similar names. "BSD" is a case of that. "Windows" is another case, with pre-NT designs being quite different from post-NT.
<simpson>
There's been more than one hardware driver which tried to use the same code on Linux, FreeBSD, etc. and it turns out that it is difficult. A lot of effort goes into maintaining the HAL and the HAL-to-Linux and HAL-to-BSD pieces.
<nomadtester>
sure, freebsd has a monster kernel that made xfs part of the solaris kernel, and dragonfly has a hybrid kernel, but the others are pretty standard
<nomadtester>
***xfs/zfs
<nomadtester>
minix3 should be complete in my opinion
<nomadtester>
userspace drivers will be very easy and reliable
<simpson>
My experience with GPUs suggests otherwise, but I understand the desire. Should 2D be in the kernel? Should 3D stay in userspace? (Where's glyph's tweet about how TLS is in userland and TCP is in kernel and this seems like a strange split)
<simpson>
nomadtester: The main selling point is the Nix package manager and build system. That's about it, really. If you live primarily on live CDs, then it's not going to seem like anything interesting is happening; you already know what it's like for most of your rootfs to be immutable!
<siraben>
nomadtester: do you know about Nix's model?
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<nomadtester>
I have not read it on the nix frontpage
<simpson>
nomadtester: Nix is like Bazel; it can combine many different packages into a single package, even if they're from different languages. This isn't its selling point, just a nice consequence of the design.
<siraben>
Unlike other package management styles which is purely nominal and inexact, Nix uses a graph with hashes to disambiguate exactly what dependencies you use
<sterni>
nomadtester: that's not even true there are a lot of portability issues between different libcs and compilers?!
<simpson>
nomadtester: Nix is a way to *isolate* builds of packages. Rather than a single big /usr with all of the packages mixed together, each package gets a single folder inside /nix/store/...
<sterni>
which is why configure scripts exist for example
<nomadtester>
simpson: So its point would be to provide a system that can be used for development and it will always be guaranteed to be consistent and reliable?
<tpw_rules>
yes. doesn't have to limit you to development either
<nomadtester>
I have 1 question then, Can i compile statically?
<siraben>
nomadtester: the main advantage I'd say Nix has over other package managers is that it's fully declarative, see the thesis for more details: https://edolstra.github.io/pubs/phd-thesis.pdf
<simpson>
nomadtester: Be on-topic next time. Peace.
<siraben>
section 1.3, motivation
<nomadtester>
simpson: i was, occasionally
<siraben>
nomadtester: there's #nixos-chat for mix of on and off topic :P
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<nomadtester>
I am actually against misc dumb hard to get, incompatible library dependencies that are used for simple things in all programs, bloat and waste of time, space, resources. Not everyone is a programmer, but things can be surely made in a more intelligent way.
<simpson>
Nix on Minix would be quite interesting. Right now folks are putting effort into Nix on FreeBSD, and it would be cool to support more kernels.
<siraben>
for off-topic things I'd move it over to #nixos-chat
<nomadtester>
I have shoved knoppix on a 8GB stick for example, it is totally usable.
<gchristensen>
cool
<nomadtester>
Plug it in any computer, it works.
<nomadtester>
No ''install''
<gchristensen>
yep, give the installer a try. it is actually a regular nixos environment to try out, no automatic installation
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<nomadtester>
thse nix site does not even mention system requirements
<gchristensen>
I guess you'll just have to try it and see
<nomadtester>
assuming 4 GB ram, 30GB hdd for graphic
<nomadtester>
I do have some computers with 512MB and 1GB ram
<gchristensen>
nice
<nomadtester>
I even have a pentium pro laptop, 266MHZ
<nomadtester>
That is indestructible
<endocrimes>
it depends a lot on your config. nix runs fine on a raspberry pi if your config is fairly lightweight
<ToxicFrog>
`nixos-rebuild` takes a while if it can't get all cache hits from Hydra though :P
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<codygman`>
I'm following nixos-unstable and all of a sudden my docker containers are failing to build. I do see an error about libcrypto segfaulting I think is openssl related. I also see "attach failed with error: error attaching stdout stream: write unix /run/docker.sock->@: write: broken pipe". Any ideas on debugging this or ruling out nix updates as causing the issue?
<nomadtester>
Sure i can make a bsd kernel too that supports xfs
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<gchristensen>
we have what we have, if you don't like it you can customise it or try it out or contribute.
<nomadtester>
I am good at finding bugs
<gchristensen>
nice, hopefully you are also good at reporting and fixing bugs x)
<nomadtester>
I click on non existing buttons too
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<simpson>
codygman`: Trying to remember if Docker builds against kernel headers. If so, your updates might have put your running kernel and your kernel headers out of sync? That's the best guess I've got, sorry.
<codygman`>
simpson: Thanks, that helps. Is there a good way to test whether that's the case or not? ldd docker and uname?
<simpson>
codygman`: Yeah. TBH I'd ponder a reboot, simply because it might be worth switching into the previous generation and seeing if things still work there.
<gchristensen>
nomadtester: yeah, we just don't maintain stuff unless someone does the work to maintain it, so ... we don't, because nobody who cares about it wants to maintain it
<siraben>
ToxicFrog: yeah, and we should probably drop i686 sometime soon
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<phalrax>
When I built something with nix-build, how do I properly delete it? Will nix-collect-garbage take care of it or is it somehow protected from getting cleaned up?
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<nomadtester>
gchristensen: obviously, i dont get it how noone uses 32 bit computers anymore
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<simpson>
siraben: The entire goal of the sevenfold tiers was that "dropping support" isn't something we have to consider. Rather, we can simply nudge things up or down by a tier at a time, in response to changes in the environment.
<ToxicFrog>
phalrax: it emits a result symlink, right? I think it'll stick around until that gets deleted, at which point nix-collect-garbage will deal with it someday.
<nomadtester>
P III is the best CPU made.
<gchristensen>
I can only say that I don't because it isn't worth my time
<endocrimes>
nomadtester: computers are mostly tools, and older hardware becomes less relevant for that
<phalrax>
ToxicFrog: yeah, it did. So if I just delete that everything will get properly cleaned up?
<endocrimes>
old hardware is "fun" in some times, but not super useful for like... doing work
<ToxicFrog>
phalrax: eventually -- I forget how often nix-collect-garbage runs.
<endocrimes>
so nobody ends up maintaining support for it
<ToxicFrog>
But removing that should remove its gc roots so it will at least be eligible for deletion.
<phalrax>
I think it doesn't run automatically, but I meant next time I run it
<nomadtester>
endocrimes: what works on a 686 with 256MB ram, works faster on a new pc with ddr3 anyway.
<nomadtester>
It is just 64 bit, and 16GB ram
<ToxicFrog>
It can be configured to run automatically, IIRC, but it's been probably multiple years since I looked at that part of my configuration.nix :)
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<phalrax>
yeah, there is an option
<gchristensen>
nomadtester: that is fairly off topic for #nixos anyway
<simpson>
endocrimes: No kidding. I cleaned this weekend; I found a box of AGP GPUs, and a netbook with a broken screen. I keep finding old hardware, but none of it is very usable.
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<phalrax>
though I didn't set it yet, I like seeing how much gets cleaned :D
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<dutchie>
`nix.gc.automatic` and so on to set it up from configuration.nix
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<phalrax>
timeout city
<endocrimes>
simpson: hah - yeah we have a bunch of old computer stuff/consoles lying around that are... rarely actually particularly useful on a regular basis xD
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<simpson>
nomadtester: The point that folks are a little too polite to make is that *somebody* will have to build the i686 image which you desire, by using an existing Nix installation and a lot of CPU and disk. Somebody will also have to test on their own hardware that it works.
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<__monty__>
How do I find the path where a build happens? Configure errors with this, "See `config.log' for more details", and I'd like to take a look at the log.
<cole-h>
you'll probably need to do it in a `nix-shell -p nixUnstable` if that keeps popping up
<remexre>
if I'm hitting `ERROR: "clang" cannot build an executable (is your linker broken?)' on macos, any likely causes? This seems to be wholly false; I can build and run executables inside the configurePhase, no problem
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<remexre>
uhoh, doing the build by hand reveals,
<remexre>
ld: framework not found IOKit
<remexre>
oh, til pkgs.darwin
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<kraem>
lassulus: did you notice ungoogled break recently? i haven't used it before but wanted to try it. while building it can't seem to find `upstream-info.deps.ungoogled-patches` altough it's readily there in nixpkgs..
<lassulus>
uhm, are you on unstable?
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<lassulus>
it works for me, but I'm just using 20.09
<cole-h>
srhb: OK, thanks, I'll try that after I get rid of these zombie nix processes holding a lock on a drv I need to rebuild my system even after I `kill -9`'d them
<srhb>
cole-h: Eek.
<srhb>
cole-h: Normal gc works just fine too, in case I was overcomplicating things -- they key point is that it's curing creation (therefore switch/boot) that old /boot entries get cleaned
<srhb>
s/curing/during
<exarkun>
All my terraform providers are broken again :(
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<HedgeMage>
Hey, all. This isn't nixos-specific, but I'm pinging a few places to get suggestions:
<cole-h>
Maybe ask in #nixos-chat if it isn't NixOS-specific?
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<HedgeMage>
cole-h: Well, it's still on the OS, it would just probably be a similar answer for any of the distros I run...I just don't know the answer yet.
<cole-h>
(Or rather, if it isn't NixOS related)
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<HedgeMage>
I'm trying to smooth out my time-tracking workflow by adding a macro pad to one of my computers for quick access to time tracking functions no matter what application is focused. Unfortunately, because I'm so keybind-heavy (i3+emacs+other keyboard-centric apps), it's hard to come up with global keybinds that won't step on anything.
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<HedgeMage>
Can anyone recommend a way to ensure that all my *other* applications will ignore inputs from a particular USB device? Ensuring that the time tracking software only responds to that one device was easy...it's getting other things to ignore it that I'm stuck on.
<spacetato>
<HedgeMage "Can anyone recommend a way to en"> instead of going this route, you could try binding to some key that is not in your keyboard layout and have the pad send that?
<spacetato>
e.g. AltGr
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<HedgeMage>
spacetato: I'm using a 122-key keyboard as my main, not the more common 101 or 102 key types, so I'm not confident there are enough unused symbols to make it work.
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<matthewcroughan>
Have you guys all tried zstd compressing your /nix/stores with zfs?
<tpw_rules>
emily: if you have a devShell output in a flake or whatever, you can use --profile to create a GC root for it. it doesn't save the flake inputs themselves (e.g. the nixpkgs tarball) but in my flakes i just have a derivation that writes a text file with their path so they aren't GCed either.
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<tpw_rules>
emily: it's an option for all of the nix subcommands afaik? like you just do `nix shell --profile some_dir/dev .` and it will write a gc root to some_dir called dev, like normal user profiles. then if you change your flake it will create another generation of that profile
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<tpw_rules>
i think it's a really clean solution but i'm a bit leery of advertising it considering flakes are experimental now.
<tpw_rules>
sorry `nix develop` is what i meant to write
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<apache8080>
I want my /boot on a separate device from the rest of /, so could I simply add fileSystem."/boot" and fileSystems."/" to my config file and point them to the respective drives
<emily>
as far as advertisement goes, eh... it beats the pre-flakes status quo if nothing else
<emily>
the thing where flakes are simultaneously being marketed as the hot new thing that solves all the problems and getting repeated breaking changes is not my favourite, damittedly
<matthewcroughan>
emily: repeated broken changes?
<matthewcroughan>
such as?
<emily>
well for one all the commands keep getting renamed :p
<matthewcroughan>
yeah that's just the way it goes though
<emily>
even well-established nix(1) commands that weren't previously feature-gated
<matthewcroughan>
I think it's exciting.
<emily>
and got into released versions
<matthewcroughan>
Have you read `nix --help`
<matthewcroughan>
Note: this program is EXPERIMENTAL and subject to change.
<emily>
yes, I have
<sterni>
apache8080: precisely
<emily>
the messaging has been pretty unclear though.
<emily>
and it got into stable released versions and used pervasively
<apache8080>
sterni: thanks
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<tpw_rules>
emily: i haven't seen any breakage but i've only been into nix for like 6 months so ymmv.
<aanderse>
how do i remove a package from all-packages.nix when it is in a package set? adding `packageSet.packageName = throw "removed blah blah";` to aliases.nix doesn't work
<emily>
`nix run` is a big one. more recently there's `flake info` -> `flake metadata`
<matthewcroughan>
the api is subject to change
<matthewcroughan>
the software itself is not buggy though
<matthewcroughan>
Does anybody know how long unstable takes to get a release?
<matthewcroughan>
I'm wondering when Bitwarden will be updated