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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 5 commits to gnome-3.38: https://git.io/JUaxw
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #97522 → [staging-20.09] perlPackages: bulk update → https://git.io/JUc4E
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 282 commits to staging-20.09: https://git.io/JUaxF
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple merged pull request #98804 → luigi: 3.0.1 -> 3.0.2 → https://git.io/JUadA
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bhipple pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUaxj
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/JUap8
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #98727 → hcxdumptool: 6.1.1 -> 6.1.2 → https://git.io/JUaGO
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUapg
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #98555 → icewm: 1.7.0 -> 1.8.1 → https://git.io/JUg2p
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUapy
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<zeta_0> i need to place a token in `~/.authinfo` or `~/.authinfo.gpg`, what is the home-manager option for this ?
<zeta_0> i'm guessing this option ? https://rycee.gitlab.io/home-manager/options.html#opt-services.gpg-agent.extraConfig
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<zeta_0> i'm setting up an emacs gitter client, but neither of those paths exist, so that's why i'm trying to find the correct home-manager option to do this.
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<zeta_0> ok, i think i found the correct set of options, i'll let you guys know if i get stuck again: https://rycee.gitlab.io/home-manager/options.html#opt-programs.gpg.enable
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #98814 → pythonPackages.ruffus: 2.8.1 -> 2.8.4, fix build → https://git.io/JUapj
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<zeta_0> what nix option creates `~/.authinfo` or `~/.authinfo.gpg` ? i one of those to place my gitter token in: https://github.com/xuchunyang/gitter.el/tree/11cb9b4b45f67bdc24f055a9bfac21d2bd19ea1a#setup
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to gnome-3.38 « gnome3.mutter334: 3.34.5 -> 3.34.6, update patches »: https://git.io/JUahl
<Miyu-saki> Ah, fun. `nativeBuildInputs` doesn't seem to be working properly with `pkgsStatic`. Hm.
<Miyu-saki> /nix/store/kfa0wrzpb4ll7hd86gqwr835hwsrppcb-stdenv-linux/setup: line 1301: gcc: command not found
<Miyu-saki> nativeBuildInputs = [ pkgconfig gcc ];
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<Miyu-saki> Hmmm
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<evanjs> something something do you need to refer to the gcc within stdenv or etc?
<Miyu-saki> I have no idea tbh. I just wanted to build sysbench staticially so that I can test it under qemu lmao
<Miyu-saki> Though, give me a few.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to gnome-3.38 « fixup! gnome3.mutter334: 3.34.5 -> 3.34.6, update patches »: https://git.io/JUahE
<Miyu-saki> Also, I'm really glad how much better Nixpkgs is now.
<evanjs> I remember getting into trouble doing similar stuff for musl. had to make sure I was either using stuff from the stdenv, passing in the right stdenv, or idk, something
<Miyu-saki> I'm calling it like this.
<Miyu-saki> `nix-build -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {}; pkgsStatic.callPackage ./sysbench.nix {}'`
<evanjs> I wonder if gcc == stdenv.cc == pkgsStatic.stdenv.cc/pkgStatic.gcc in your case
<Miyu-saki> I think I see what you mean though.
<evanjs> bah I wouldn think that's fine then
<Miyu-saki> This is actually pretty difficult then.
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<evanjs> what about "nix build nixpkgs.pkgsStatic.sysbench", anyway?
<Miyu-saki> I think it's because of `pkgsStatic.callPackage`
<Miyu-saki> One of the dependency fails to build.
<Miyu-saki> I'm so used to `callPackage` Just Working TM
<Miyu-saki> Hmmm.
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<Miyu-saki> Can you `overrideAttrs` nixpkgs?
<Miyu-saki> Wait
<Miyu-saki> I'm stupid lmao
<Miyu-saki> I'll need `overlays`
<Miyu-saki> orrr
<Miyu-saki> `config`?
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<Miyu-saki> [myrl@myrl-thinkpad:~]$ nix-build -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {config.packageOverrides = (pkgs: {sysbench = 1;});}; pkgs.sysbench'
<Miyu-saki> error: expression does not evaluate to a derivation (or a set or list of those)
<Miyu-saki> Okay, perfect. :)
<Miyu-saki> Hmmm
<Miyu-saki> nix-build -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {config.packageOverrides = (pkgs: {sysbench = pkgs.callPackage ./sysbench.nix {};});}; pkgsStatic.sysbench'
<Miyu-saki> This also doesn't work.
<Miyu-saki> That's weird.
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<Miyu-saki> Wait
<Miyu-saki> Hmmm, also doesn't work under buildPhase.
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<Miyu-saki> ...
<Miyu-saki> evanjs: I'm... a bit stupid.
<Miyu-saki> echo $CC
<Miyu-saki> x86_64-unknown-linux-musl-gcc
<Miyu-saki> Meh, I shouldn't be too harsh on myself. I don't cross-compile that much lmao
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hongchangwu opened pull request #98816 → ocamlPackages.merlin: 3.3.9 -> 3.4.0 → https://git.io/JUahK
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<Miyu-saki> Hmm
<sneakweb> hiya all! i've been reading a little about how you can set up a metapackage in nix to install all your stuff. i'm using nix on macOS; where would that file go and how would i tell nix to install it?
<sneakweb> and is there an easy way to collect all of the stuff i've manually installed using `nix-env -i` as a list for making that file?
<Miyu-saki> Okay, what's a determinstic way to get that triple?
<Miyu-saki> IIRC, it's accessible in `lib.`
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<sneakweb> also, what's the difference between `nix-env -i <name>` and `nix-env -i nixpkgs.<name>`?
<sneakweb> i was surprised to see things using the latter, i thought they were the same thing.
<Miyu-saki> The latter is Nix 2 interface syntax.
<Miyu-saki> I didn't know that that works for `nix-env` though?
<sneakweb> -iA rather
<sneakweb> `nix-env -iA nixpkgs.coreutils-prefixed` just worked for me
<Miyu-saki> Oh okay.
<Miyu-saki> [myrl@myrl-thinkpad:~]$ echo $NIX_PATH
<sneakweb> sorry if i'm mixing things up. i'm still figuring all of this out
<Miyu-saki> /home/myrl/.nix-defexpr/channels:/etc/nixos:nixos-config=/etc/nixos/configuration.nix:nixpkgs=/etc/nixos/nixpkgs
<Miyu-saki> I did not know that -A works with NIX_PATH though. Huh.
<Miyu-saki> TIL
<Miyu-saki> Hmm
<Miyu-saki> No repro here for me either.
<Miyu-saki> [myrl@myrl-thinkpad:~]$ nix-env -iA nixpkgs.hello
<Miyu-saki> warning: name collision in input Nix expressions, skipping '/home/myrl/.nix-defexpr/channels_root/nixos'
<Miyu-saki> error: attribute 'nixpkgs' in selection path 'nixpkgs.hello' not found
<Miyu-saki> Oh wait
<Miyu-saki> It's not NIX_PATH, but `nix-channel`
<Miyu-saki> Is this documented?
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<sneakweb> not sure why one worked and the other didn't.
<Miyu-saki> Yeah, I know why it works.
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<Miyu-saki> sneakweb: Run `nix-channel` and you should have a `nixpkgs` under that.
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<Miyu-saki> Ah.
<Miyu-saki> It uses ~/.nix-defexpr.
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<unclechu> hey, i defined a channel with `nixos-unstable` alias, why when i try to `import <nixos-unstable>` i get `file 'nixos-unstable' was not found` error?
<Miyu-saki> unclechu: `nix-channel --update` ?
<unclechu> miyu-saki: that’s right, thanks, didn’t notice i have to do this
<Miyu-saki> Glad it works. ^^
<evanjs> miyu-saki: I see it now. mariadb-connector-c?
<Miyu-saki> evanjs: Yep. :P
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 3 commits to gnome-3.38: https://git.io/JUajU
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam opened pull request #98817 → archiver: 3.3.0 -> 3.3.1 → https://git.io/JUajT
<evanjs> omg
<evanjs> miyu-saki: did you check for open issues? XD
<evanjs> bc omg
<{^_^}> #51885 (by vaibhavsagar, 1 year ago, open): Can't build pkgsStatic.mariadb.connector-c
<evanjs> 2 years XD
<evanjs> dang
<Miyu-saki> Oh. :o Hmm
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @lopsided98 opened pull request #98818 → libical: fix cross-compilation → https://git.io/JUajI
<Miyu-saki> That patch though
<Miyu-saki> Is that saying to build it as
<Miyu-saki> Ahhh
<Miyu-saki> I guess that makes sense
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to gnome-3.38 « fixup! fixup! gnome3.mutter334: 3.34.5 -> 3.34.6, update patches »: https://git.io/JUajL
<Miyu-saki> The default build already contains statics.
<Miyu-saki> Though, even if I get mariadb to work, it's still broken because `sysbench` cannot find `system-triple-command`
<Miyu-saki> nix-repl> pkgsStatic.stdenv.hostPlatform.config
<Miyu-saki> "x86_64-unknown-linux-musl"
<Miyu-saki> So that's how you get it
<Miyu-saki> Hm
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<zeta_0> hello there, i'm having trouble installing ihp by importing tar.gz in a shell.nix file: https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp
<zeta_0> i'm trying to get it working with my lorri+direnv+emacs-direnv setup: https://dpaste.org/mR5z
<zeta_0> any tips ?
<simpson> I read https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/Guide/installation.html but didn't see the technique that you're using. Which name are you trying to get out of the tarball?
<simpson> Is `ihp-new` what you want?
<zeta_0> simpson: yes, i see: `nix-env -f https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ihp-new.tar.gz -i ihp-new` in the installation section of the ihp guide, but when i tried to import the tarball in my shell.nix, it did not work.
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<zeta_0> simpson: ^
<zeta_0> is this shell.nix file at least close to being correct ?
<zeta_0> simpson: are you still here ?
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<zeta_0> that syntax works in home.nix, but it's not working in a shell.nix file.
<simpson> zeta_0: I was finishing preparing dinner.
<simpson> Oh, well, there's a hint, at least!
<simpson> FWIW you can just pull apart the tarball to get your bin/ihp-new, if you're really having trouble with Nix.
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<zeta_0> simpson: oh it's fine, and i thought that this would be simple, what method do you recommend, i thought my syntax in the shell.nix file was just a little off ?
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<simpson> zeta_0: `let ihp = import (fetchTarball https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ihp-new.tar.gz); in { ... }` works for me in an existing shell.nix.
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<unclechu> infinisil: hi. here is how i solved my issue with storing my channel picks in my config repo if you’re interested:
<unclechu> usage info at the bottom of the file
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<zeta_0> it works without any errors but nothing happens, i checked ghc --version, and ghc's binary was not found ? https://dpaste.org/GhsO
<zeta_0> simpson: i'm just going to try this in a regular shell.nix file without any of the lorri and diren stuff, i'll let you guys know if it works or not.
<simpson> Does ihp-new work? There's not anything inside the tarball besides a bin/ihp-new and a default.nix which installs it.
<zeta_0> simpson: running `ihp-new` returns: `Usage: ihp-new PROJECT_NAME`, does that means that it's working? i thought that it would automatically install a bunch of dependencies?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq opened pull request #98820 → skopeo: fix wrapper → https://git.io/JUVeL
<simpson> zeta_0: FIIK. Not my problem IMO.
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<zeta_0> i'm guessing it installs the dependencies every time per project, i'll keep testing it !
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq merged pull request #98799 → podman: 2.1.0 -> 2.1.1 → https://git.io/JUad2
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq pushed to master « podman: 2.1.0 -> 2.1.1 »: https://git.io/JUVeq
<zeta_0> simpson: it's cool, thanks for helping me out, i'll keep tinkering with it until i get ihp to work, i'll let you know if i get it working.
<zeta_0> simpson++
<{^_^}> simpson's karma got increased to 33
<zeta_0> it looks like `ihp-new` is working correctly, i just needed to setup cachix 1st, so it does not take too long to install the dependencies !
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<__red__> So, while waiting for my PR to be actioned - upstream just released a new version.
<__red__> I should kill my PR and put in a new one for the higher version shouldn't I?
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<simpson> Up to you, but yeah. People would probably also understand if you just pushed a version bump onto your existing PR.
<__red__> last time I tried to squash I wrecked my tree.
<__red__> ;-)
<__red__> lemme at least try I guess :-)
<simpson> So don't squash; make a new commit on the PR branch with just the version bump, and push onto the existing PR branch.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 5 commits to gnome-3.38: https://git.io/JUVeA
<__red__> Ah - Okay!
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<__red__> is there any chance I could bug you for a review when I'm done? :-) <3
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<__red__> pretty please :-)
<simpson> Which PR? (Also I have zero authority whatsoever to actually get PRs reviewed and merged.)
<__red__> currently #98598
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/98598 (by redvers, 2 days ago, open): ponyc: update 0.37.0.
<simpson> Looks reasonable, I guess.
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<samueldr> simpson: you don't have _authority_, but you can still approve a PR
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #98807 → hasura-graphql-engine: reduce closure size → https://git.io/JUaFX
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed to master « hasura-graphql-engine: reduce closure size »: https://git.io/JUVvw
<samueldr> it happens that sometimes people recognize familiar faces that often review appropriately and that helps them gauge the state
<__red__> when you submit a PR there's a comment section that says "please help review our queue"
<__red__> so I'm trying to get back in that habit
<samueldr> and, for many committers, that's how they end up being committers, been doing good work reviewing and participating for a while
<__red__> also - at one point there was a thread on the forum with a list of requests - I don't know if that is still active
<samueldr> (usually it's not through strictly reviewing, but good acting all-around)
<simpson> samueldr: I don't want to give anybody any indication that my looking at a decent PR will somehow accelerate its inevitable merge.
<samueldr> on the issue tracker, and yes, that's where it happens
<__red__> skills can be learned, character - notsomuch
<samueldr> simpson: :)
<samueldr> I was saying just in case
<samueldr> now that I know you know, I know you don't do it willingly
<samueldr> and that's fine too :)
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<__red__> btw - which input into the build process passes -j<cpunum> ?
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<samueldr> it's... uh... complicated
<samueldr> I believe there's a few places it can be handled
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<samueldr> but as far as *nix* is concerned https://nixos.org/manual/nix/stable/#chap-tuning-cores-and-jobs
<__red__> my upstream is hard-coding -j2 unless build_flags is set
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<__red__> I shlud just set | grep -- -j
<samueldr> I think (unverified) that Nixpkgs can also change things around that
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-burns opened pull request #98822 → nix: fix segfaults on ppc64 → https://git.io/JUVvQ
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<__red__> NIX_BUILD_CORES
<__red__> by the looks of it
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 3 commits to gnome-3.38: https://git.io/JUVvj
<__red__> thanks samueldr - I'll check out that doc
<__red__> maybe if I request more cores from ofBorg it won't timeout
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<Miyu-saki> Is there an `isCrossCompiling` "package"?
<Miyu-saki> Oh wait
<Miyu-saki> Maybe under stdenv?
<Miyu-saki> I know that I can compare platforms
<Miyu-saki> nix-repl> pkgs.stdenv.buildPlatform == pkgs.stdenv.hostPlatform
<Miyu-saki> true
<Miyu-saki> nix-repl> pkgsStatic.stdenv.buildPlatform == pkgsStatic.stdenv.hostPlatform
<Miyu-saki> false
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to gnome-3.38 « fixup! pantheon.elementary-session-settings: cleanup »: https://git.io/JUVf7
<__red__> So, marked one of my PRs as WIP as upstream just informed us that they have an emergency release in the next day or so to fix a double-free race condition.
<lordcirth> Every time I push a one-line commit to my nixpkgs branch, and run nixos-container with the new flake, it downloads a new 20MB tarball. Is there a way to get it to use git instead>
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<__red__> I doubt that it has security implications, but when I learn more I'll share.
<__red__> details I guess will be in the CHANGELOG once the emergency release is released.
<lordcirth> _rvl, this is in nix?
<lordcirth> __red__, * sorry
<__red__> lordcirth: No - a package that I'm wrapping into nixpkgs.
<__red__> lordcirth: I had a PR open to bump a package a few revs, and the day after I raise the PR they announce that there's going to be an emergency release
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<__red__> so I'm just WIPing it and will bump it to the latest version when it's release.
<__red__> d
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<Miyu-saki> I feel like I have to ask something. Why do we prepend the compiler outputs with system triples when we cross compiling?
<Miyu-saki> Like, I understand the historical context, but we don't really need that on Nix that much, right?
<samueldr> AFAIK it's because build systems sometimes are bad and want them
<Miyu-saki> Oh
<samueldr> otherwise we'd have to patch the whole world :)
<samueldr> (not the whole world, but part of it)
<Miyu-saki> Yeah, makes sense. Kinda funny tho because I'm actually dealing with the reverse problem. >~<"
<samueldr> and another reason might be when you have *multiple* cross-compilers around
<Miyu-saki> Though, I should have just used patch-phase the whole time lmao
<Miyu-saki> samueldr: Wouldn't it be better to use multiple Nix packages in that case?
<Miyu-saki> Though, I can see why on that too
<samueldr> if the upstream package needs to build different artifacts
<lordcirth> What's the NixOS option to just write a literal string to a file at a path?
<samueldr> I have a vague thought about e.g. needing some kind of ARM compiler for an m0 cpu *in addition* to aarch64 for the main cpu
<lordcirth> Or whatever the right way is to do that
<samueldr> in e.g. u-boot or similar at-boot program
<Miyu-saki> lordcirth: pkgs.writeTextFile
<lordcirth> Thanks!
<samueldr> anyways, much easier to interface with the rest of the world, we're already starting with a handicap with our hermetics :)
<Miyu-saki> Oh. :o
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<Miyu-saki> Thanks. I see now. There's probably some build system out there which not only requires but also depends on the system triples, huh?
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<lordcirth> Oh, not sure if writeTextFile is what I want. I need my service module to take an argument, preferably a list of str, and write those strings, newline-separated, to a file during the init service
<lordcirth> I was hoping to generate the file as part of the NixOS config, then have the init service cp it into place if appropriate
<Miyu-saki> Hmmm
<Miyu-saki> But it is generated at Nix evaluation-time, right?
<lordcirth> Yeah, from the service config
<lordcirth> Does writeTextFile return the store path?
<Miyu-saki> Okay. Also, "the init service"?
<Miyu-saki> And yeah. it does.
<lordcirth> There's the main service, and there's a prerequisite -init service that inits the data directory
<lordcirth> Seems to be a common pattern
<Miyu-saki> Oh.
<Miyu-saki> Hmm
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<lordcirth> I want to place this file on first run
<lordcirth> I tried tmpfiles.d, but it doesn't accept multiple lines
<lordcirth> I considered cat <<< EOF in the init, but ew
<Miyu-saki> I was actually gonna recommend that lmao
<Miyu-saki> Anyways, what you want doesn't exist, and `writeTextFile` is the "cleanest."
<Miyu-saki> `let foo = writeTextFile ...; in "cat ${foo} > ./bar`
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<lordcirth> Ok, so can I call writeTextFile, then cp it?
<lordcirth> I will try
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<Miyu-saki> Hmmm
<Miyu-saki> Okay, kinda funny.
<Miyu-saki> How do I --replace with a nativeBuildInput?
<__red__> can you give an example of what you're trying to achieve?
<Miyu-saki> substituteInPlace third_party/luajit/luajit/src/Makefile --replace "DEFAULT_CC = gcc" "DEFAULT_CC = $CC"
<Miyu-saki> Luckily, this works
<Miyu-saki> because $CC is set by Nix
<Miyu-saki> But what if it isn't?
<Miyu-saki> The best idea I have is `$(realpath $(which cmd))`
<__red__> what alternatives are there to gcc, other than clang?
<Miyu-saki> It doesn't have to be a CC specifically.
<__red__> in which case, they would use clangStdenv instead
<Miyu-saki> Ehh, scratch that. I think my problem's too contrived.
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<Miyu-saki> Wow. luajit's build system scares me.
<Miyu-saki> I'm not sure if this is hacky or good.
<Miyu-saki> Err, not that.
<Miyu-saki> Is it doing too much?
<Miyu-saki> Wait what.
<Miyu-saki> We used to have stdenv.isCross, but it's now removed?
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<Miyu-saki> Ah.
<Miyu-saki> Okay, I just read the commit message.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #98825 → nco: 4.9.3 -> 4.9.5 → https://git.io/JUVU6
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<Miyu-saki> Actually, giving it more thought. samueldr I think this (somewhat) fits what you were mentioning a while ago lmao
<samueldr> hm?
<__red__> hmm
<samueldr> I said lots of things to lots of people whiles ago
<__red__> I thought I could just do nix-shell -p clangStdenv
<Miyu-saki> samueldr: w.r.t. cross compilation and prefixes.
<__red__> and CC would be clang
<__red__> Is that wrong?
<Miyu-saki> Have you tried --pure?
<__red__> yes - still get gcc
<samueldr> a while ago like less than an hour or something else way earlier? if it was something else I surely don't remember :)
<Miyu-saki> Just below an hour ago yep. :D
<Miyu-saki> You mentioned that some build systems expect a system triple prefix when cross-compiling.
<samueldr> ah, had a much longer while in mind
<Miyu-saki> Hm. Now I'm curious how to access host packages.
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<Miyu-saki> Oh wow.
<Miyu-saki> I'm surprised about a lot of things lmao.
<Miyu-saki> But I didn't know that you can have a partially cross-compiled system now. https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Cross_Compiling
<Miyu-saki> Under "Lazy cross-compiling"
<Miyu-saki> I guess this much is obvious, the difficult part would be to figure out what's available in runtime and what's not.
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<samueldr> doing this voids your warranty ;)
<Miyu-saki> Haha. :D
<Miyu-saki> The only time I needed this was when I had to run on ARMv7l tho.
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<Miyu-saki> And well, those uhhh, kinda no longer exist.
<Miyu-saki> Hmm
<samueldr> well, they still do
<samueldr> and can still be useful
<samueldr> though there's no binary cache anyway really
<Miyu-saki> Yeah.
<samueldr> so it wouldn't have helped
<Miyu-saki> samueldr: It does help but the other way around!
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<Miyu-saki> Like
<Miyu-saki> You can cross-compile some things, and then have your hosthost build against it.
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<Miyu-saki> s/build/link/
<samueldr> yeah
<samueldr> but I figure that's kind of the anti-lazy way
<Miyu-saki> Oh true. :P
<Miyu-saki> Hmmm
<Miyu-saki> Oh wtf
<Miyu-saki> I didn't know you there are builds for lavender now.
<Miyu-saki> Because that's like, the exact phone I have.
<Miyu-saki> Wait
<Miyu-saki> How does mobile-nixos work? Can we cross-compile NixOS now?
<samueldr> no
<samueldr> yes
<samueldr> no
<samueldr> it's complicated
<samueldr> why has my tech life been reduced to always answering questions by "no, yes, no"
<Miyu-saki> :D
<Miyu-saki> Computers. Difficult.
<Miyu-saki> This actually makes me happy.
<samueldr> configuration.nix holds the list of workarounds to cross-compile an SD image https://github.com/samueldr/cross-system
<samueldr> unverified for armv6/7l recently
<samueldr> but aarch64 verified recently
<samueldr> this is what I use to get a "hold" into systems in a trustable manner
<samueldr> without having to resort to native compilation
<Miyu-saki> Ah, thanks.
<Miyu-saki> So basically, disable non-cross-compiling dependencies
<samueldr> basically :)
<samueldr> and more importantly, this allows me to track regressions
<Miyu-saki> And I guess the idea is that this is just a bootstrap process, right? So you load your phone with a cross-compiled NixOS, and then recompile it with a native NixOS?
<samueldr> I prefer fixing regressions, but it's not always possible
<samueldr> this is not used at all for phones
<samueldr> one topic at a time!
<Miyu-saki> Ah. My bad. :P
<samueldr> >> Can we cross-compile NixOS now?
<samueldr> the answer is "kinda, yes"
<samueldr> for some values of NixOS :)
<samueldr> this is entirely for "good citizens", where the generic-like image is useful
<samueldr> so generally, an SBC where I'd need a non-mainline kernel
<samueldr> I used that as a base for https://github.com/samueldr/wip-pinebook-pro/
<samueldr> now, Mobile NixOS is a whole other thing
<samueldr> it works by completely replacing stage-1 from NixOS
<samueldr> but it uses a completely standard native-compiled AArch64 NixOS rootfs!
<samueldr> so stage-1 is completely cross-compiled, stage-2 is natively compiled
<samueldr> and yes, it loses some of the properties of how NixOS works, but it's a tradeoff for how many Mobile devices targeted work
<samueldr> you generally can't choose between kernels/initrd at boot time
<Miyu-saki> Okay, this is a bit interesting. And for most people, we can just fetch stage-2 from a bincache rather than compiling it ourselves?
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<samueldr> that's what turned out to work
<samueldr> luckily, for the time being all devices (of a same architecture) can use the same basic rootfs under some conditions
<samueldr> at least to get started
<samueldr> though there's newer android-based devices that are possibly an upcoming headache
<samueldr> still investigating something about them
<samueldr> but OEM kernel trees being what they are they might be missing needed bits for things to _just work_
<Miyu-saki> That's really cool tbh. Hm.
<Miyu-saki> Yeah, I guess one last question would be: After a nixos-rebuild, does stage-1 get updated?
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<Miyu-saki> I don't see why you'd need to update it though.
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<Miyu-saki> IIRC, stage-1 does just enough to mount /nix/store, which means FDEs and squashfs. Which I don't think is relevant after your first build?
<Miyu-saki> s/FDE/encryption/
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<samueldr> yeah, for the time being it's a loose-end: when and how should it happen?
<samueldr> because as you said
<samueldr> it mostly mounts things
<samueldr> but it's *also* your kernel, and kernel command line options!
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<samueldr> so there _is_ a need to update it, if not automatically, somewhat manually
<samueldr> on some devices we can't update it in a safe manner, no A/B, no alternative recovery partition
<samueldr> so if an update breaks it and you're away from your computer (which is a goal here) it's not great
<Miyu-saki> Right.
<Miyu-saki> And sometimes, kernel ABI drifts
<Miyu-saki> TIL. I can see why this is difficult.
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<Miyu-saki> Thanks for the answers!
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<srk> samueldr: armv7l cross compiles fine recently, except for mailutils which can be "fixed" with smartmontools.override { mailutils = null; };
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<fusion809> Let me guess, you're having networking issues with your phone again.
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<fusion809> Oops wrong channel.
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<hl_> hello everyone
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<symphorien[m]> hello
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<hl_> have you ever set up LUKS encryption with a YubiKey on NixOS
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<hl_> yep but that´s like complicated for what it is so I re-write my own module ahah
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to release-20.09 « signal-desktop: 1.36.2 -> 1.36.3 »: https://git.io/JUVYo
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos opened pull request #98844 → [20.03] signal-desktop: 1.36.2 -> 1.36.3 → https://git.io/JUVYX
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle merged pull request #98569 → [20.09] python3Packages.parse: 1.16.0 -> 1.18.0, python-docx: run behave tests → https://git.io/JUg1O
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dfordivam closed pull request #90223 → Add 'wasm32-unknown' to known targets → https://git.io/JfHdz
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zaninime opened pull request #98847 → python3Packages.git-remote-codecommit: init at 1.15.1 → https://git.io/JUV3r
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<jan732> Hey, very new to nix. I want to build a vhd image like shown on https://nixos.org/#asciinema-demo-example_5 . So basically I need "nix-build". I'm on MacOSX. What is the easiest way to get started? I tried "curl -L https://nixos.org/nix/install | sh" but it complained about needing an apfs volume. So i wonder if I'm on the wrong path here (since I
<jan732> don't want to use nix locally). What should I do?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #98849 → radare2-cutter: 1.11.1 -> 1.12.0 → https://git.io/JUV3x
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel merged pull request #98796 → libqtav: 1.12.0 -> git-2020-09-10 → https://git.io/JUa5i
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut merged pull request #98714 → ergo: 3.3.1 -> 3.3.3 → https://git.io/JUaLt
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel merged pull request #98795 → digikam: fix broken icons → https://git.io/JUa5a
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar closed pull request #98836 → pistol: 0.1.4 -> 0.1.5 → https://git.io/JUVqT
<__monty__> jan732: Unfortunately nix is a bear to install on Catalina.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel merged pull request #98721 → digikam: 6.4.0 -> 7.1.0 → https://git.io/JUaYa
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<__monty__> jan732: You need the volume with a firmlink because you can't simply create directories under / anymore, and the nix store needs to be mounted on /nix.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rapenne-s opened pull request #98850 → sacc: 1.01 -> 1.02 → https://git.io/JUVsU
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<jan732> thanks __monty__ so for just using nix-build I still need the full installation? I'll try the recommended approach then, thanks
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat merged pull request #98628 → thunderbird, thunderbird-bin: 78.2.2 -> 78.3.0 [High security fix] → https://git.io/JU2GV
<__monty__> jan732: Yep, good luck. And if you don't get much response here you can always try #nix-darwin, that channel's more tuned in to the particularities of nix on macOS.
<jan732> good to know, thanks
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<tnks> I'm kind of guessing here, but does nixpkgs/release-20.03 feed into nixpkgs-channels/nixos-20.03? It seems like if I want commits that at least pass Hydra I should always go off nixpkgs-channels branches, right?
<tnks> I just realized that I was completely ignoring the nixpkgs/release-##.##
<andi-> yes and you can also use the nixos-20.03 branch in nixpkgs
<andi-> the release-XX branches are to be built by hydra, the nixos-XX branches are built by hydra
<tnks> andi-: okay, that's good. That's what I inferred by the names.
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<tnks> also, good to know that I don't really need to reference nixpkgs-channels if the branches are mirrored on the main repository. Why have a separate repository at all? Permissions?
<{^_^}> [nix] @zimbatm merged pull request #4073 → Fix a typo → https://git.io/JUaQW
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rapenne-s opened pull request #98851 → geomyidae: init at 0.34 → https://git.io/JUVsV
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<jan763> Hey, where can I find the "amazon.nix" from the examples on the start page? https://nixos.org/#asciinema-demo-example_5
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann opened pull request #98852 → sacc: 1.01 → 1.02 → https://git.io/JUVsF
<gchristensen> jan763: that is the file displayed at about 38 seconds in
<jan763> yes, but that isn't the complete file, is it? (wondering about the first line "{ pkgs, ...}:")
<gchristensen> it is
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<gchristensen> `{ pkgs, ... }:` is the Nix syntax for defining a function
<V> ellipsis is syntax
<V> not for omission
<V> but rather to state that the function accepts arbitrary other attributes in addition to the named ones previously
<V> `({ foo }: null) { foo = 1; bar = 2; }` is an error, while `({ foo, ... }: null) { foo = 1; bar = 2; }` evaluates to `null`
<V> If that makes things any more clear
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #98788 → moodle: 3.9.1 -> 3.9.2 → https://git.io/JUaHV
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pniedzwiedzinski opened pull request #98853 → Add brave for darwin → https://git.io/JUVGJ
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<jan763> thanks gchristensen, V! That helped already. Downloading the world now, it seems... (cdparanoia, alsa, wayland, ...) hope that doesn't end up on my image lateron :-/
<immae> Hello there! I have this settings in fileSystem: `"/var/lib" = { device = "/home/var_lib"; fsType = "none"; options = [ "defaults,bind" ]; }; ` and it seems to no please stage1 of nixos at boot, it ends up telling me he cannot boot. If I ask him to continue it goes fine afterwards, how can I fix that?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @erictapen opened pull request #98854 → [20.09] fix passing qt5 version to pythonInterpreters → https://git.io/JUVGs
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @malte-v opened pull request #98855 → libobjc2: unmark aarch64 as bad platform → https://git.io/JUVGG
<V> Presumably it thinks that /var/lib isn't available since that's needed for boot
<V> possibly making it think that /home is needed for boot would fix that?
<immae> Sorry my snippet was incomplete
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<V> try adding neededForBoot = true; to /home
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<immae> ok
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<jan763> okay - any way to "cross compile" aka create a x86-64 system from MacOSX? (error: a 'x86_64-linux' with features {} is required to build '/nix/store/n15c2kqdqjgskqgyx2nqj0zr6nhfrrc3-configuration.nix.drv', but I am a 'x86_64-darwin' with features {benchmark, big-parallel, nixos-test})
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<V> I feel that cross support in NixOS is very lacking
<jan763> (running nix-build here)
<V> There's some stuff that supports it correctly
<V> What are you actually trying to achieve here?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos merged pull request #98844 → [20.03] signal-desktop: 1.36.2 -> 1.36.3 → https://git.io/JUVYX
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed 2 commits to release-20.03: https://git.io/JUVGa
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos opened pull request #98856 → [20.03] Backport LLVM 11 to build Chromium M86 → https://git.io/JUVGr
<jan763> V, I try to run the demo https://nixos.org/#asciinema-demo-example_5 from my MacBook (using nix-build to create a vhi --> amzon ami with nginx)
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<immae> Yay it worked thanks V++
<{^_^}> V's karma got increased to 8
<jan763> I want to figure out if nix can help me to build "immutable minimal AMIs"
<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @github-actions[bot] pushed commit from GitHub Actions to master « Update flake.lock and blogs.xml [ci skip] »: https://git.io/JUVGP
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<immae> jan763: I have a script that I use to play with VMs, you may have a try if you want : https://git.immae.eu/?p=perso/Immae/Config/Nixies.git;a=tree;f=vms;h=2e466565026d3687b175f651978a3f62b251c5e9;hb=refs/heads/master in this folder, if you’re able to run a "make build_standalone" successfully then it’s the first step to create an AMI for AWS
<immae> (the next steps being just sending the result and asking for it to be converted into a snapshot and and AMI ,which should work in macos as well as in linux)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @romildo opened pull request #98857 → marwaita: 7.6.1 -> 7.7 → https://git.io/JUVGQ
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<immae> if you want to be closer to an "AMI" situation you might want to replace `format = "qcow2";` with `format = "vpc";` in images.nix
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #98716 → fluent-bit: 1.5.4 -> 1.5.6 → https://git.io/JUatW
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sorki opened pull request #98858 → raspberrypi-builder: allow passing firmware package as argument → https://git.io/JUVZs
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #98827 → nfpm: 1.7.0 -> 1.8.0 → https://git.io/JUVTI
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #98696 → postgresql_13: init at 13.0 → https://git.io/JUaeh
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #98860 → pythonPackages.accupy: remove perfplot from checkInputs, fixing build → https://git.io/JUVn9
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @meutraa opened pull request #98861 → androidStudioPackages.{dev,canary}: 4.2.0.11 -> 4.2.0.12 → https://git.io/JUVn7
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel merged pull request #98846 → Build standalone libvlc → https://git.io/JUV3T
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel opened pull request #98862 → [20.09] Build standalone libvlc → https://git.io/JUVce
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #98745 → ocamlPackages.tls: 0.12.4 → 0.12.5 → https://git.io/JUaBH
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<__red__> So the freecad PR that just got added is interesting
<__red__> they're proposing adding a package for stheir git master
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<__red__> (basically - a nightly)
<__red__> are there any other packages that do that?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @romildo merged pull request #98225 → mate: update stable packages → https://git.io/JU0QC
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl merged pull request #98616 → ocamlPackages.fpath: 0.7.2 → 0.7.3 → https://git.io/JU2tN
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Atemu opened pull request #98864 → Update/gammy → https://git.io/JUVlW
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #98829 → obsidian: 0.8.12 -> 0.8.15 → https://git.io/JUVko
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<gchristensen> I'm trying to build https://github.com/rebuy-de/aws-nuke. here is my expression and full build output: https://gist.github.com/grahamc/415b546e856da1e5d9fe2a6c730cca1c when I build, I get an error: github.com/rebuy-de/aws-nuke/resources tested by github.com/rebuy-de/aws-nuke/resources.test imports github.com/rebuy-de/aws-nuke/mocks/mock_cloudformation iface: no matching versions for query "latest"
<gchristensen> -- any suggestions on how to move past this?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ikervagyok opened pull request #98865 → [WIP] linux-next: new function to ease testing the newest kernels → https://git.io/JUVR7
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @romildo opened pull request #98867 → [20.09] mate: update stable packages → https://git.io/JUVrF
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<__monty__> Is there a print function? I'm working with the repl and I have a long list of lists which is hard to check. It'd be a whole lot easier if I could print each list on a separate line but :p isn't a function I can map.
<immae> Hey! I have this configuration to login with ldap: https://tools.immae.eu/paste/qm3z/ when I deploy that and try to login, it fails (I get "Invalid user immae from 1.1.1.1 port 47386"). But if I restart nscd.service I can finally log-in. However this works only until I rerun a nixos-rebuild switch, then I have to restart nscd manually again. Did I miss something in the configuration?
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<__monty__> __red__: I suppose it's fine if upstream doesn't support releases. Note that no one's suggesting an impure package that always installs whatever the head of master is.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #98868 → pythonPackages.snowflake-connector-python: 2.2.10 -> 2.3.2, fix build → https://git.io/JUVX9
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<__red__> __monty__: that's how I read the PR - if I misread it I'm happy to be wrong
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<__red__> I'm happy to be wrong because it means it's closer to getting done!
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<CptCaptain> nix-shell --pure -p gcc7 --run "gcc --version" edi@philzstation3
<CptCaptain> gcc (GCC) 9.3.0
<CptCaptain> can someone explain this to me
<CptCaptain> why do I get gcc 9 when I want gcc 7
<simpson> `gcc7Stdenv` will work that way; I just tested `nix-shell -p gcc7Stdenv`. However, you almost certainly don't actually want GCC in your local shell this way; what are you trying to do? You probably will have better times writing a Nix expression to build your package.
<CptCaptain> Like this?
<CptCaptain> nix-shell --pure -p gcc7Stdenv --run "gcc --version"
<CptCaptain> gcc (GCC) 9.3.0
<CptCaptain> I just want to play around with different versions of gcc. I was trying to avoid writing nix files
<__red__> Wow - I was full of wrong
<__red__> that'll learn me :-)
<simpson> CptCaptain: Can't reproduce, sorry; both impure and --pure shells work for me, giving me GCC 7.4.0.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @gebner merged pull request #98845 → freecad: 0.18.4 -> unstable-2020-09-25 → https://git.io/JUVOE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @gebner pushed 8 commits to master: https://git.io/JUVHd
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to gnome-3.38 « webkitgtk: add separateDebugInfo, add platforms.darwin »: https://git.io/JUVHp
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar merged pull request #98744 → chroma: 0.8.0 → 0.8.1 → https://git.io/JUaBw
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Lassulus merged pull request #98789 → [20.09] youtube-viewer: 3.7.5 -> 3.7.9 → https://git.io/JUaHK
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Lassulus pushed 2 commits to release-20.09: https://git.io/JUweC
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tobim opened pull request #98869 → mpd: 0.21.25 -> 0.22 → https://git.io/JUwJ1
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<{^_^}> [nix] @Ma27 opened pull request #4077 → libmain/progress-bar: don't trim whitespace on the left → https://git.io/JUwkn
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<__red__> oh, I like this issue: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/97479
<{^_^}> #97479 (by jonringer, 2 weeks ago, open): ZERO Hydra Failures 20.09
<__red__> a call to arms, including tutorial videos
<__red__> I love it
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sorki opened pull request #98870 → ghc8102Binary: add numactl to libPath on aarch64 → https://git.io/JUwqD
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<nixos-noob> Hi everyone! I'm attempting to follow this blog post https://mt-caret.github.io/blog/posts/2020-06-29-optin-state.html but I'm having some trouble. My setup script looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d2423e33/ and my hardware-configuration.nix looks like this https://paste.debian.net/1164796/
<__red__> Good Morning nixos-noob and Welcome!
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<nixos-noob> When booting it complains that it cannot find the swap device. I'd imagine this is because it is in LUKs but don't know how to tell nixos to open that first.
<nixos-noob> Hello __red__.
<__red__> ah, looking
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar merged pull request #97797 → docs: add -L to remaining curl install commands → https://git.io/JUWAf
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUwYj
<__red__> (I've not had a swap device in about 10 years) ;-)
<__red__> but lemme look at your links
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<nixos-noob> Thank you! :O is there any particular reason why you don't?
<nixos-noob> It looks something like this: [ boot | luks+lvm { swap | / } ]
<__red__> yup - was just readingt the init script
<__red__> so, it boots right - just doesn't start up swap automatically?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Parasrah closed pull request #97245 → elixir-ls: init at 0.5.0 → https://git.io/JUshD
<__red__> I have a guess as to what your problem is
<nixos-noob> It just gets stuck at finding the swap partition, I never see the login screen
<__red__> Okay
<__red__> so I'll tell you what I suspect
<__red__> swapDevices = [ { device = "/dev/disk/by-uuid/3c5ee6c1-6f3e-4992-b717-5277cd80cf9d"; } ];
<__red__> can you comment that out and boot it for me?
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<nixos-noob> Yes, this is my only PC so I will have to be back.
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<__red__> <3
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar merged pull request #93332 → docs.stdenv: remove reference to replace tool → https://git.io/JJZC3
<__red__> do you have a phone? tablet / anything else?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUwsC
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<hl_> hey guys
<hl_> I wanted to know how do we get invited to the GitHub organisation
<hl_> like, do they still do that?
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<__red__> basically - confirm that /dev/disk/by-uuid/3c5ee6c1-6f3e-4992-b717-5277cd80cf9d exists (I suspect it doesn't)
<nixos-noob> Ah good idea.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @suhr opened pull request #98872 → libcyaml: init at 1.1.0 → https://git.io/JUws9
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<simpson> hl_: Do you already maintain packages? You probably don't need to be a member of any GH organization just to contribute.
<__red__> and the reason I don't use swap is because RAM is so cheap now. I almost never run out of RAM.
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<hl_> yep but that's cool to be part of it
<__red__> hl_: I was maintaining some packages, work up one morning and had been invited. I didn't 'apply' per se
<__red__> I'll confess, I kinda want a nixos irc cloak too, but I've not asked for that (yet)
<__red__> I read that freenode forces all the maintainence through one person and they're probably busy enough
<__red__> hl_: I completely agree with you. Ownership and recognition matters. That's a key motivator for most people.
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<nixos-noob-table> __red__ hmm, I may have made a mistake as it has the same error for /dev/mapper/vg-root. Once again didn't ask for my luks password
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @suhr opened pull request #98873 → reproc: init at 14.1.0 → https://git.io/JUwnp
<nixos-noob-table> I feel like I'm going crazy becuase I had an ext4 setup exactly the same way without issue on 19.xx
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<hl_> __red__: Thanks a lot for that
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<{^_^}> [nix] @Ma27 opened pull request #4078 → doc/manual: update hacking docs → https://git.io/JUwCk
<__red__> nixos-noob-table: Great - we learned something
<__red__> so it sounds like its not triggering luks before vg
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<nixos-noob-table> I think I'm going to try without the btrfs stuff. Perhaps something changed between versions
<__red__> Well
<__red__> before you do that
<__red__> do you have a boot.initrd.luks.devices."enc".device line?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hugolgst opened pull request #98874 → hugolgst/vimsence: Init at 2020-06-30 → https://git.io/JUwlG
<__red__> anywhere in your configurations
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tricktron opened pull request #98875 → python3Packages.curio: fix tests on darwin → https://git.io/JUwl4
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<__red__> although
<__red__> hang on - let me re-read this
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<__red__> so he isn't actually using lvm at all in his block
<__red__> so he isn't actually using lvm at all in his blog
<nixos-noob-table> Uhh
<__red__> I think what you were trying to do was to replace btffs with lvm right?
<nixos-noob-table> Yes that's correct, he's only got btrfs in luks
<__red__> if you look, he's done it the other way around
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<__red__> he's put btfs *inside* luks
<nixos-noob-table> One of the commenters suggests keeping swap in luks too
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<nixos-noob-table> And does that by luk - lvm - (swap | /)
<__red__> Okay
<nixos-noob-table> I've previously had a similar setup with ext4 instead of btrfs
<__red__> do do you have your boot.initrd.luks.devices line anywhere in your configuration?
<nixos-noob-table> [ boot | luks - lvm - [ swap | /] ]
<nixos-noob-table> Not in the new one, I do not have a copy of the old one but I didn't recall having to add anything from what nixos-generate-config does.
<__red__> because I don't see it in your hjardware nix configuration
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<__red__> I would suspect that's why your boot is failing to offer you a luks prompty
<__red__> I would suspect that's why your boot is failing to offer you a luks prompt
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @suhr opened pull request #98876 → libaudec: init at 0.2.4 → https://git.io/JUwB9
<nixos-noob-table> That sounds reasonable, let me check if the script generates it correctly for my old configuration like I remembered
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 4 commits to gnome-3.38: https://git.io/JUwuv
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #98862 → [20.09] Build standalone libvlc → https://git.io/JUVce
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to release-20.09: https://git.io/JUw2t
<zeta_0> hello there, i finally got `miso` working in my (lorri+direnv+emacs-direnv) setup: https://dpaste.org/fDzR , but when i try to add: `pkgs.haskell.packages.ghcjs.callCabal2nix "app" ./. {}` , i get errors thrown ?
<zeta_0> is there a more generic way to do that ?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti merged pull request #98870 → ghc8102Binary: add numactl to libPath on aarch64 → https://git.io/JUwqD
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUwa4
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<nixos-noob-table> __red__: Thank you so much!
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<nixos-noob-table> You were spot on. I'm still confused why I don't recall that at all.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-burns opened pull request #98877 → samba: 4.12.5 -> 4.12.6, fix build on darwin → https://git.io/JUwVy
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<__red__> Glad we got it sorted for you
<__red__> and welcome to the NixOS community
<__red__> <3
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl opened pull request #98878 → ocamlPackages.topkg: 1.0.0 → 1.0.3 → https://git.io/JUwrg
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<{^_^}> #98676 (by cole-h, 1 day ago, open): nixos/update-users-groups: /etc/shadow owned by root:shadow
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<worldofpeace> cole-h: do we have any testing for update-users-groups?
<cole-h> Not that I can see/tell. Maybe with one of the boot tests?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #98840 → pt2-clone: 1.22 -> 1.23 → https://git.io/JUVm1
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUwPc
<MichaelRaskin> installer test should do _some_ work using it
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<worldofpeace> MichaelRaskin: will run them, thanks.
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<m1cr0man> Hey folks. I need to load the firmware for my usb3 controller in the initrd (to mount root on a usb3 hdd). Would I be best using preDeviceCommands or postDeviceCommands? I don't really know if I need to wait for udev or not..
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<{^_^}> Channel nixos-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/daaa0e33505 (from 4 days ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable)
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<cole-h> :OOOOOO
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #98556 → convos: 4.33 -> 4.40 → https://git.io/JUgas
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/JUw5K
<cole-h> nixos-unstable finally bumped?!
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse merged pull request #97390 → nixos/picom: add experimentalBackends option → https://git.io/JUZ50
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUwdL
<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @github-actions[bot] pushed commit from GitHub Actions to master « Update flake.lock and blogs.xml [ci skip] »: https://git.io/JUwdR
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<evanjs> infinisil: and maybe nbp :P https://github.com/mozilla/nixpkgs-mozilla/pull/242
<{^_^}> mozilla/nixpkgs-mozilla#242 (by evanjs, 16 seconds ago, open): Add optionalExtensions attribute to better handle missing nightly extensions
<evanjs> have no clue of any good contact points for the nixpkgs-mozilla overlay s
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<evanjs> * so 🤷
<callahad[m]> <evanjs "have no clue of any good contact"> evanjs: I think most of us got laid off... I can dig in the commit log and see if anyone's still around
<evanjs> callahad[m]: that was one of my biggest worries when I heard the news :(
<evanjs> I wish we had a nixpkgs-mozilla channel or something
<callahad[m]> Rail and glasserc are definitely gone; not sure about nbp
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mrVanDalo opened pull request #98880 → terranix: init at 2.3.0 → https://git.io/JUwAh
<evanjs> gahhhh. I've been reading a bit about the Rust folks in general, and it seems like some of them have expressed intent to continue working on stuff, it just won't be sponsored by Mozilla, so to speak
<evanjs> No idea if/how that might apply to any contributors of the nixpkgs-mozilla repo
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<reptarmigan> does anyone know of a package that adds the print to pdf option?
<reptarmigan> I've been searching around, but there's only a million pdf utilities, and cups-pdf doesn't show up
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<infinisil> reptarmigan: One or both of ` services.printing.enable = true; programs.system-config-printer.enable = true;` in NixOS
<reptarmigan> infinisil: I've got services.printing.enable = true; I'll try adding the other, thanks!
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @austinbutler opened pull request #98881 → pythonPackages.requests-hawk: init at 1.0.1 → https://git.io/JUwhL
<callahad[m]> evanjs Mozilla is fine with external contributors with commit access, as long as there's an employee admin for the repo. I'll see if nbp is still around. Otherwise, we can probably get it transferred out of Mozilla's org if there's a suitable community org for it to go into...
<cole-h> FWIW, I only enabled printing and added the gutenprint driver(s)
<cole-h> callahad[m]: nix-community would probably be best
<evanjs> callahad[m]: I would imagine https://github.com/nix-community/ or similar might be a good place if the need arises. Unsure if there are any better options, though
<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @ehmry pushed 2 commits to reform: https://git.io/JUwh8
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mmahut opened pull request #98882 → terraform-providers: update → https://git.io/JUwha
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<reptarmigan> dang that's slick - I had my kde printer settings open, I nixos-rebuild switch and added avahi to my configuration.nix - when the rebuild was done one of the printers on the network just popped into the config screen
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danieldk opened pull request #98883 → <!-- To help with the large amounts of pull requests, we would appreciate your reviews of other pull requests, especiall… → https://git.io/JUrUR
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<m1cr0man> Heyo. If I use pkgs.requireFile how can I add the file to the nix store for it?
<m1cr0man> I've tried nix-store --add $myfile but it's not finding it. Would a hash mismatch cause it to fail? It simply prints the message I set in requireFile
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<__red__> can someone please help me with a squash
<__red__> I keep tying myself in knots every single time
<__red__> and now I'm just completely confused
<__red__> here's what I have:
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<__red__> pick c65790f4dc9 ocamlPackages.irmin_1: remove at 1.4.0
<__red__> pick 41d5bfbb4f5 yubikey-manager: 3.1.0 -> 3.1.1 (#98576)
<__red__> pick 3a5e46231bd ponyc: update 0.37.0.
<__red__> pick c71483baffa ponyc: update 0.38.1
<__red__> pick a4d05ec30c6 yubikey-manager: 3.1.0 -> 3.1.1 (#98576)
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/98576 (by andresilva, 3 days ago, merged): yubikey-manager: 3.1.0 -> 3.1.1
<__red__> pick 77af63b52af ponyc: Update 0.38.0
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/98576 (by andresilva, 3 days ago, merged): yubikey-manager: 3.1.0 -> 3.1.1
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<__red__> Not only do I have duplicates of someone else's commits
<__red__> my my own commits are now apparently out of order
<infinisil> __red__: Well you can just reorder/delete them however you ish
<__red__> my local head is at: f5b7e35a4ff49afbbf75310877ead420d697274a (HEAD -> ponyc_update_0_37_0)
<infinisil> wish
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<__red__> so if I delete entries - will their changes disappear?
<__red__> I guess I don't understand how I can have two copies of someone else's commit
<__red__> I just really don't want to blow it all away and open a third PR because I keep breaking my fork
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<infinisil> __red__: Do the modifications in the git rebase -i, then loog through git log to see if they're good
<infinisil> And if you messed something up, you can always get older versions with `git reflog`
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<magnetophon> I'm trying to run carla, but I get: ``qt.qpa.plugin: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found.`` Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?
<__red__> yeah - I've apparently just nuked 4 of the commits from nixos' master
<__red__> kay - reflog
<__red__> lemme look up the docs for that
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danieldk closed pull request #98883 → python37Packages.tensorflow: 1.15.2 -> 1.15.4 → https://git.io/JUrUR
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<__red__> so if I wanted to go back 29 operations.. ie, HEAD@{29} - can I do that?
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<__red__> like
<__red__> git checkout HEAD@{29}
<__red__> ?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #98859 → ghc8102Binary integer simple fix → https://git.io/JUVZW
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrLu
<__red__> damnt, I appear to have squashed out of existance all the work I did
<infinisil> __red__: I usually do `git reset --hard <commit hash>`
<infinisil> That resets the branch to that commit,
<__red__> thanks infinisil
<__red__> I'll try that
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<__red__> oh wow - I'm back to normality I think
<__red__> thanks infinisil - that now means taht I can consistently screw up y rebase without fear
<__red__> :-)
<infinisil> :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #98860 → pythonPackages.accupy: remove perfplot from checkInputs, fixing build → https://git.io/JUVn9
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #98868 → pythonPackages.snowflake-connector-python: 2.2.10 -> 2.3.2, fix build → https://git.io/JUVX9
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrtC
<__red__> Oh - I think I realize my misunderstanding
<__red__> squash merges your commit into a PREVIOUS commit
<__red__> I've been squashing the old commits into the latest
<__red__> so it needs to be the other way around
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #98884 → riemann: 0.3.5 -> 0.3.6 → https://git.io/JUrtb
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<infinisil> Oh yup
<reptarmigan> I've tried installing gutenprint drivers, I enabled the system config, still no love with a pdf output printer
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<__red__> that explains why I got a lot of circular stuff going on
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<__red__> I managed to squash one, just need to squash the second now
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #98676 → nixos/update-users-groups: /etc/shadow owned by root:shadow → https://git.io/JU27z
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrYc
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<worldofpeace> cole-h: merged
<__red__> FINALLY - I now have a clean commit :-D
<__red__> Good Morning worldofpeace - hope things are going great for you.
<__red__> I really miss y'all's "NixOS Office Hours"
<__red__> just saying :-) <3
<__red__> (not that I'm wanting to add that to your list of things to do on top of 20.09 or anything)
<worldofpeace> __red__: I miss them too! Graham has a baby now, so maybe I'll have to make it a solo act :D
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @austinbutler opened pull request #98886 → pythonPackages.blessed: 1.15.0 -> 1.17.10 → https://git.io/JUrYA
<__red__> Oh wow, that's great news for him!
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<__red__> My daughter's 8 now, which should be old enough to start learning nixexpr right? ;-)
<__red__> she loves the NixOS T-shirts - esp the Loris one
<__red__> Well - if you need a sidekick "still-mostly-cargo-cult-still-learning-the-ropes" foil for the show, I'm happy to volunteer.
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<__red__> Really I just need to move back to europe and go to the next Nixconf
<hl_> damn where are you getting those nix t shirts
<hl_> __red__: are you actively contributing to nix/nixpkgs/nixos?
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<simpson> I got my shirt by volunteering for a NixOS booth at a convention, in the before-times.
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<simpson> A recurring joke is that karma gained in this channel can be exchanged for shirts, but I don't know whether anybody's successfully redeemed karma for clothing.
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<worldofpeace> __red__: well you're in luck because nixcon requires no international travel because it's virtual
<MichaelRaskin> But does this also make T's virtual?
<worldofpeace> and yours truly is the mc. I hope it will be a good time for people
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<hl_> damn I want so much Nix merch
<worldofpeace> MichaelRaskin: not sure if that's being done.
<worldofpeace> though that gives me instagram filter vibes
<__red__> hl_: me too
<__red__> my Loris Nix t-shirt is my favorite
<__red__> and one of my two non-black t-shirts
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<__red__> I always wear it to defcon in the hope that someone there recognizes it
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<__red__> oh, that reminds me - I need to ask zimbatm what his twitch is
<__red__> since I remember him doing a series of streamed nixexpr taks
<__red__> since I remember him doing a series of streamed nixexpr talks
<__red__> (it's going to be twitch.tv/zimbatm isn't it
<__red__> )
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<worldofpeace> come thruuu switchhh. Though I'm not super fond of twitch because of the social dynamic. Like I feel like it's nice to be here live and direct and not just a streaming chat. But that's just the vibe I like to give.
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<worldofpeace> __red__: does you kid not like the loris t-shirt because of it's slightly... let's just it's the eyes 😸
<worldofpeace> just maybe... maybe the eyes
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<__red__> worldofpeace: yup - she loves it - it's the eyes
<__red__> humans are card-coded to love creatures with big eyes apparently
<__red__> which is why for example closeups of jumping spiders look so cute
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<__red__> even though most people don't like spides
<__red__> even though most people don't like spiders
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #98875 → python3Packages.curio: fix tests on darwin → https://git.io/JUwl4
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from Thibault Gagnaux to master « python3Packages.curio: fix tests on darwin »: https://git.io/JUrGV
<__red__> blast - I just saw hl's question "are you actively contributing to nixos..."
<__red__> (because I was in another window actively contributing) :-)
<__red__> worldofpeace: what do you mean by "come through switch"
<__red__> I'm not familiar with a service of that name (other than nintendo I guess?)
<MichaelRaskin> Maybe nixos-rebuild switch
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<worldofpeace> lol, I can't type lately. TWITCH
<__red__> So you're saying you'd rather use twitch? I'm down with that
<__red__> funny actually - I just bought a stream-deck for ym daughter to stream minecraft
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<__red__> re hl_ !
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<infinisil> Oh that reminds me, I have this little script that allows you to optionally enter a game and language, and it plays random twitch streams that match
<infinisil> Created that because it allows me to find new streamers without being biased with view count
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos merged pull request #98861 → androidStudioPackages.{dev,canary}: 4.2.0.11 -> 4.2.0.12 → https://git.io/JUVn7
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed commit from @meutraa to master « androidStudioPackages.{dev,canary}: 4.2.0.11 -> 4.2.0.12 »: https://git.io/JUrZh
<worldofpeace> __red__: see the second part https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos/2020-09-26#4027678; It "comes thru" but not in a way that I enjoy greatly. Though part of it is unavoidable when watching a person and having limited interaction
<__red__> sounds good
<worldofpeace> infinisil: that's pretty fair 👍️ link?
<__red__> I accidentally just came across someone who is writing nix, haskell, and purescript all at once
<reptarmigan> I'm still stumped by the lack of print to pdf option, maybe it's a kde software?
<__red__> live, right now.
<__red__> twitch is a strange world
<infinisil> worldofpeace: Hmm actually I think it broke because twitch changed their API or something..
<__red__> worldofpeace: what would be your ideal way to work then?
<__red__> worldofpeace: This is mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xty-gzzIkBc
<infinisil> I'll see if I can get it working again
<__red__> "Everything I learned about concurrency and resiliance I learned at the Waffle House"
<__red__> that's 30 minute talk I did
<__red__> I like being able to see faces of my audience
<__red__> because statistically speaking there will be at least one "nodder"
<__red__> let the Gods shower good fortune on all the "Nodders"
<__red__> :-)
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<worldofpeace> __red__: Well I think for when something's live and it's really just supposed to be someone "watching" I'm not crazy about even having a chat at all. I think there's only so much "active" you can be over the online medium, so I think a passive audience you cannot see is fine. And on the flip side if it's just not passive interaction then small groups and a "random participant" space can be nice. Outside of tech spaces, in
<worldofpeace> a performance it can be interesting to cross the boundary of audience and performer, but if it's online I do see people getting a greater false sense of connection.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #98887 → signal-cli: 0.6.8 -> 0.6.10 → https://git.io/JUrcg
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm merged pull request #98832 → operator-sdk: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 → https://git.io/JUVIw
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ryantm pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrcK
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<__red__> that makes sense
<__red__> It is a vastly different experience watching someone live and watching a replay of a live stream
<worldofpeace> (Like online spaces are incredibly more intimate so I think that should be taken advantage of)
<__red__> yup
<worldofpeace> Me in the room alone talking to a computer hoping that you could hear me on the other side of the connection is really the first bit of that. In person you're not even vulnerable like that. I also think people who have a barrier of social anxiety get to have different experiences online, which is nice
<__red__> I need to look up when nixcon is
<__red__> I'm a fan of whatever facilitates best
<__red__> honestly, I can adapt to almost anything
<__red__> I think I'll book an airbnb for those three days
<__red__> I'm curious to see what the "Hackday" will look like virtually
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<worldofpeace> __red__: lol, I think the hackday could be pretty easy to have
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<worldofpeace> it's just facilitate an online space and time for hacking... I think that's a pretty common place for that kind of thing :D
<__red__> yeah - I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the difference between a hackday and a normal day
<__red__> but that's probably because I'm the only nix person I know IRL
<__red__> in other news... YES! ofBorg finally compiled by PR :-D
* __red__ does a little dance
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<worldofpeace> __red__: I wonder what can be done to make it more prominent
<__red__> I've given a couple of talks on nix to a couple of groups
<__red__> lots of people got excited by it and said they'd try it
<__red__> I think two stuck with it?
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<__red__> I don't know how to make the learning curve more shallow because honestly, I'm several years into it and I still don't think I'm even a quarter of the way up the mountain
<__red__> For example - one of my friends who I invited over to the NixOS side asked me how to refer to an older version of a package
<pie_> its kind of....
<pie_> here learn how all of linux works
<pie_> BUT ALSO have this orthogonal configuration language and library
<__red__> I hear my daughter crying - she's scared to tell me something
<__red__> I think she dropped a laptop or something
<__red__> yup = it was nothing
<__red__> :-D
<__red__> brb
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<birdman007> so is nixos a rolling release?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peterhoeg closed pull request #98824 → mtr: 0.93 -> 0.94 → https://git.io/JUVUV
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<kraem> ,locate xmllint
<{^_^}> Found in packages: libxml2.bin, libxml2Python, bashCompletion, vimPlugins.neomake, python27Packages.libxml2.bin, python38Packages.libxml2.bin
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<reptarmigan> Is there a way to modify the firewall configureation aside from doing a rebuild?
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<reptarmigan> or manually iptabls-ing it up :D
<energizer> if you dont want to do it declaratively or imperatively how do you want to do it?
<reptarmigan> I'd be happy to follow along as in configuration.nix, just wondering if I can apply the settings one shot instead of a rebuild I guess :D
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<energizer> what downside of rebuilding are you trying to avoid?
<reptarmigan> time
<energizer> how long does it take?
<energizer> it should be <30s with channels or <1s with flakes
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #98817 → archiver: 3.3.0 -> 3.3.1 → https://git.io/JUajT
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrzZ
<reptarmigan> I haven't played with flakes yet, so that's a new concept for me.
<reptarmigan> 30 seconds seems like a long time for a firewall update :D
<{^_^}> [nix] @kquick opened pull request #4080 → Add some internal documentation for flake support objects. → https://git.io/JUrzg
<energizer> yeah that's true. i'm not even sure if 1s is the whole shebang or just the evaluation/build steps
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @erictapen merged pull request #98887 → signal-cli: 0.6.8 -> 0.6.10 → https://git.io/JUrcg
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @erictapen pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JUrzA
<energizer> maybe someone on flakes can try it and tell us
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<reptarmigan> My install is pretty new, I find myself tracking down kde packages manually, maybe I missed some easy "include this lovely pre-configured .nix file and your desktop will wash your dishes for you" option, although I'm happy to keep my system minimal, and I bet I'll prune some things soon.
<NieDzejkob> I added rustup to my systemPackages and I'm getting an error: "error: linker `cc` not found"
<NieDzejkob> (when trying to build something with cargo build)
<reptarmigan> I'm just running into friction on things like "in kubuntu blablabla is already setup - MAGIC" vs digging into "why isn't there a print to pdf printer automatically in my printers list"
<NieDzejkob> this goes away when I use nix-shell -p rustup, but I don't think the nix-shell workflow fits rustup, since it needs global state in ~/.rustup anyway
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<sterni> NieDzejkob: then you need to install a C compiler globally as cc, I guess the rustup package isn't adjusted to use a specific compiler by default so you can choose wether you want clang or gcc
<sterni> NieDzejkob: it works in nix-shell because stdenv is implicitly addet to the environment which contains a c compiler among other things (gcc usually)
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<sterni> NieDzejkob: try adding gcc-wrapper to system packages
<sterni> NieDzejkob: err it's just gcc of course
<NieDzejkob> I was about to ask about that :P
<sterni> reptarmigan: I only have services.printing.enable = true; and print to pdf show up
<reptarmigan> I have that enabled and no love in kde apps
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<reptarmigan> is there a kde.nix I should include somewhere?
<sterni> maybe it's an issue then with the qt printing dialog idk, I can only test it with gtk one rn
<reptarmigan> I enabled plasma-5 and that pulled a lot of basic stuff, but things I consider standard on a plasma desktop (like kate) I've grabbed manually with nix-env and I've been slowly adding packages I like to use to a software-list.nix
<reptarmigan> like I manually added the kde print-manager
<reptarmigan> that didn't come along with the plasma desktop
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<sterni> yeah seems like kde for nixos is not as frictionless as gnome, haven't used it myself
<sterni> maybe try googling for people's nixos cnofigurations who use KDE?
<reptarmigan> I've spent a fair bit of search time
<{^_^}> [hydra] @Ma27 opened pull request #818 → Fix build against latest Nix master → https://git.io/JUrat
<reptarmigan> there's something called cups-pdf but there's no package for it so far, I've tweaked a few derivations so I could give it a try (I've built textadept to 10.8 and 11 alpha 3 for giggles, it was mostly straight forward ;-)
<reptarmigan> I should figure out how to contribute the updates back, but I'm just trying to get over the hump of "print this to pdf"
<reptarmigan> or on the recreation side of things figure out why warzone2100 doesn't have sound hehe
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<reptarmigan> Oh yeah, I've added 32 bit, but alas no bueno
<reptarmigan> there's some openal tweakage that I haven't tried yet
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<sterni> reptarmigan: generally contributing to nixpkgs is relatively straightforward https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/.github/CONTRIBUTING.md
<testonaut> Hey, I'm trying to install nixos for the first time. Got my new system started in a VM, but I can't get the xserver to start. Could someone help me?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #98888 → smenu: 0.9.15 -> 0.9.16 → https://git.io/JUrVa
<testonaut> This is the .xorg.log created with the errors: https://termbin.com/tg1l
<testonaut> My /etc/nixos/configuration.nix : https://termbin.com/ppviz
<reptarmigan> Yeah, I look forward to adding my updates - in general I'm quite jazzed about nix/os I'm wanting to move some stuff I've got in docker-compose to nix containers
<testonaut> Dont really understand what the error is
<reptarmigan> if nix can write yaml for me, I will forever be greatful :D
<clever> reptarmigan: yaml is a superset of json, so anything that accepts yaml, can also accept json
<clever> reptarmigan: builtins.toJSON and your done!
<reptarmigan> I don't understand the obsession with yaml, or what it can do for me that toml can't, without annoying whitespace needs :D
<testonaut> Are my messages being send?
<leungbk> Is there a way to programmatically extract the path of a VS Code plugin installed as part of vscode-with-extensions? Right now I'm simply manually running "find", which isn't great since I have to do this every time I reinstall and the hash changes.
<cole-h> <3 worldofpeace Thanks! Hope I didn't break anything ;D
<{^_^}> worldofpeace's karma got increased to 191
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<clever> testonaut: yes
<testonaut> I found this PR that seems to be merged, but I would have expected this to fix my error? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/86473
<{^_^}> #86473 (by bachp, 21 weeks ago, merged): nixos/virtualbox-guest: support VMSVGA graphics adapter
<testonaut> clever, thanks
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<reptarmigan> clever: do you have insite as to why things like docker and kubernets like yaml over json or toml?
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<clever> reptarmigan: probably the lower need to match your { and } up, just indent things right
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<reptarmigan> huh, I'm happier with the brackets myself
<notgne2> I'm kinda wishing there was something like yaml that wasn't yaml, toml can get a bit annoying for deeply nested stuff, JSON is erroneous in so many ways, and yaml is, well, yaml
<reptarmigan> I actually quite like the nix syntax so far
<testonaut> Can someone help?
<notgne2> oh I think Nix is great for config, but the few times where I don't get to use Nix I wish I didn't have to use toml, json, or yaml
<notgne2> so for that reason I generally prefer when things use JSON, simply because it's easiest to generate from Nix
<reptarmigan> testonaut: I'll have a looksee
<testonaut> reptarmigan thanks
<simpson> reptarmigan: Perversely, the Docker/k8s ecosystem prefers YAML for human-readability! Under the hood, most tools in those toolchains actually speak JSON, and desugar from user-provided YAML when needed.
<testonaut> Tell me if you need more errors or so
<reptarmigan> testonaut: oh god, I have enough errors in my life thanks!
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<testonaut> reptarmigan *logs
<testonaut> lol :D
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<testonaut> Freudian slip
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<reptarmigan> simpson: huh, there we have it! I probably just need to settle on an editor that's the right kind of magical, I'm somewhere between kate, neovim, spaceemacs, remacs, and textadept *twitch*
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<reptarmigan> testonaut: I'm from B.C. Canada, our main export is logs, I bet there's a weird tax for importing logs
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<Raito_Bezarius> is there a way to useDHCP only for IPv6 ?
<sterni> testonaut: if you believe the PR could fix it you can try using it by using the corresponding tarball als nixpkgs for the rebuild like this: nixos-rebuild switch -I nixpkgs=https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/archive/f29063ff0bc0348ab7b64ad8f1038e9ecb065727.tar.gz
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<testonaut> sterni can you explain what that does? Am I using a different package for xserver that way?
<reptarmigan> I'm mildly creeped out by how konversation takes web links to text files and throws them at kate, it's handy I was just expecting to review in firefox :D
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<reptarmigan> I'm starting to live in kate with a terminal attached at the bottom, but my old freebsd unix hack self says editing root files in a gui is all sorts of wrong
<testonaut> sterni reptarmigan is the -I nixpkgs=... solution something "permanent"? It feels like a temporary workround
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<reptarmigan> testonaut: are you running a modern amd/ati gpu? have you tried adding services.xserver.videoDrivers = [ "ati_unfree" ];
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<testonaut> reptarmigan no I'm inside virtualbox, the hostos has a 1050TI but I guess for the guest that's irrelevant?
<testonaut> *nvidia 1050Ti on the host
<reptarmigan> Oh, why's it trying to load ati drivers...
<reptarmigan> are you trying to pass it 3d?
<testonaut> reptarmigan I thin I enabled that in virtualbox, yes
<testonaut> but I can disable it, just want to try nixos out
<reptarmigan> oh, do you have the virtualbox extensions enabled in the nix config?
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<testonaut> reptarmigan this is my config: https://termbin.com/ppviz I think not
<reptarmigan> I'd try adding virtualisation.virtualbox.guest.enable = true;
<testonaut> Oh removing the 3d acceleration option gets Xorg to start!
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<reptarmigan> I thought so
<testonaut> i'm in bare xserver though, no i3
<testonaut> hm
<testonaut> Do I need to modify the xinitrc manually?
<testonaut> to exec i3? or is that done by my nix os config?
<reptarmigan> the 3d might happen if you add that virtualbox line
<reptarmigan> that's out of my wheelhouse
<testonaut> reptarmigan will add it.
<testonaut> Though i don't really need 3d, would rather have i3 working
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<testonaut> Nevermind, adding "exec i3" to my ~/.xinitrc starts i3.
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<testonaut> Can I do that via the /etc/nixos/configuratin.nix file "automatically"?
<clever> testonaut: yes
<clever> one sec
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<clever> testonaut: line 87 is what will source ~/.xprofile, and line 95 will execute ~/.xsession, overriding the default actions down on 100
<clever> testonaut: but using the ....displayManager.sessionCommands option, you can also inject your own things with configuration.nix
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<testonaut> clever At the moment I have displayManager.defaultSession set to = "i3";
<clever> testonaut: you can also just services.xserver.windowManager.i3.enable = true;
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<testonaut> clever I have i3.enable = true set
<testonaut> I'm using i3-gaps, not sure if that makes a difference
<clever> testonaut: when at the login screen, you should also have an option to select between the different window managers
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<testonaut> clever I have no login screen (no display manager)
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<testonaut> I just want the tty prompt to login, than it should start i3
<testonaut> *then
<clever> testonaut: that might be the problem then, ive only ever used X with a display manager
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<jkhkjkj> yall some super hackers huh
<testonaut> clever It should be possible without it: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Using_X_without_a_Display_Manager I have set services.xserver.displayManager.startx.enable = true; though
<reptarmigan> Yeah I added nix-prefetch-url to my external tools in kate, like a boss B)
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<clever> testonaut: if you delete ~/.xinitrc, does it behave differently?
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<reptarmigan> while I'm editing nix files I grab the sha hashes on the fly, muhaha, too bad I have to download the file twice
<testonaut> clever I had none, just created it to try "exec i3"
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<testonaut> clever I guess I'll leave it like this at the moment, with a manually created .xinitrc
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<sterni> testonaut: yeah -I manipulates $NIX_PATH only temporarily, you could make it permanent, but since nixos-rebuild switch is executed the changed configuration with the packages of that nixpkgs version are applied to your system until you do a switch again that is
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