<infinisil>
mudri: You could use something like `Agda = super.Agda.overrideScope (self: super: { some-dep = callHackage "some-dep" "0.1" {}; ...; })` to fix dependencies
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<mudri>
Ah cheers, this might be the right thing to do. I'm too reliant on (globally) editing my copy of nixpkgs.
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<mudri>
Also, some of these incompatibilities I can kinda believe, but missing base, with pretty permissive version bounds? What's that about? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FiI7RTvd/
<mudri>
(This is when I try to install the older Agda.)
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<mudri>
Before I forget,
<mudri>
infinisil++
<{^_^}>
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<gchristensen>
good point. infinisil++
<{^_^}>
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<mudri>
Okay, yeah, I really don't understand this missing `base` thing.
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<infinisil>
mudri: Oh, base is a GHC builtin package, you can use doJailbreak to make it ignore version bounds
<infinisil>
Did the default GHC version change since the change?
<infinisil>
Maybe that's what makes it slow
<infinisil>
Well or something related to it
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<mudri>
infinisil: How do I get `doJailbreak` into scope?
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<infinisil>
It's at pkgs.haskell.lib.doJailbreak
<mudri>
Cheers.
<mudri>
But I don't think GHC changed in the time. It's been a matter of months since a release, according to nixpkgs (AFAICT).
<mudri>
Oh, and where should I put `doJailbreak`? I've tried `regex-base = haskell.lib.doJailbreak (self.callHackage "regex-base" "0.93.2" {});`, but get the same error.
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<infinisil>
mudri: What's the full error? (without any cut off output at the end)
<infinisil>
mudri: And what's the nixpkgs version so I can reproduce?
<mudri>
Getting an okay version of `regex-tdfa` had the knock-on that `regex-base` also had to be different.
<mudri>
Just a sec...
<mudri>
infinisil: ddf87fb1baf8f5022281dad13fb318fa5c17a7c6 (which should be channels/nixos-unstable)
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<lonewolf>
Is there to query all the packages in a nix store, nix-env -q just gives me ones from the current user environment
<niso>
lonewolf: nix-env -qa
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<infinisil>
mudri: Hm, and what's the nixpkgs version for which Agda is fast?
<lonewolf>
@niso but isn't -qa gonna give all available packages that can be installed?
<niso>
lonewolf: oh yes, misread the question sry
<infinisil>
lonewolf: `ls /nix/store` I guess
<infinisil>
But "package" is a very loose term in Nix
<lonewolf>
Hmm.. Thank you
<infinisil>
lonewolf: I feel like this is an X-Y problem though, doing `ls /nix/store` should never be needed
<cole-h>
Why is it that when I make a custom `buildPhase` that does `mkdir build && cd build; cmake ..; make doc`, it can't find the doc target, but when I do it on a local clone of the packages
<infinisil>
Unless it's to check stats on the store I guess
<cole-h>
source, it succeeds
<lonewolf>
I was trying out some shell.nix files, and I installed curl into the store, so now I wanted to see if I could find it using nix-env, so that I could delete it. Also If you running out of space, how would you actually clean the store?
<infinisil>
cole-h: Is the clone clean? If `git clean -n -x -d` outputs anything then it's not (use `git clean -f -x -d` to clean it)
<infinisil>
Well, and git diff should be empty too I think
<mudri>
infinisil: Hmm, this is a good question. Probably whenever it was when Agda 2.6.0.1 last built, so maybe a nixos-unstable version from about two weeks ago.
<cole-h>
infinisil: Yep. It still succeeds like that.
<cole-h>
If I set the breakpointHook and do the steps manually, it still fails
<gchristensen>
nek0: I don't know if howoldis will be repaired. it has been maintained by a community member for a long time to supplement the fact that status.nixos.org didn't exist
<nek0>
ok. thanks or the info.
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<cole-h>
Is there any way to enable opengl on the ISO, or do I have to have a working system setup for that?
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<blibberblob>
Hi all, what's the systemd unit I should restart to bounce my network? My wireless died (couldn't connect to anything, couldn't resolve DNS) and I got it to work by restarting, but presumably I could've just bounced something with systemd
<nek0>
sometimes you need to reload your wifi kernel module. Happens to me regularly whe waking up from hibernate. rmmod <kernelmodule(s)> && modprobe <kernelmodule(s)>
<danderson>
How are you configuring your wifi?
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<danderson>
If you're using NetworkManager, `systemctl restart NetworkManager` will do the trick
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<blibberblob>
danderson: I have `networking.wireless.enable = true`
<nekroze>
I am trying to use crossLists from nixpkgs lib but it seems to always fail, even the example in the source code fails: `nix-repl> (import <nixpkgs>).lib.crossLists (x: y: "${toString x}${toString y}") [[1 2] [3 4]]
<blibberblob>
also a custom wireless driver which you helped me set up a few days ago hahaha
<nekroze>
error: value is a function while a set was expected, at (string):1:1
<blibberblob>
I don't have a NetworkManager systemd unit
<nekroze>
Is this function known to be broken or am I just using it wrong
<danderson>
oh right, the custom wireless driver
<danderson>
well, I've forgotten how non-networkmanager networking works in nixos
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<danderson>
so I'm afraid I can't help much ;(
<blibberblob>
how does the networkmanager portion work?
<blibberblob>
maybe I should be using that...
<danderson>
er, search the nixos options for "networkmanager"
<danderson>
it's basically one switch that turns off nixos's builtin network management logic, and lets NetworkManager handle it instead
<danderson>
it's generally preferable if you're running a GUI and want to connect to random wifi networks easily
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<energizer`>
`nix-env -iA nixpkgs.python3Packages.marshmallow` but then python -c 'import marshmallow' -> `no module named marshmallow`. what am I doing wrong?
<simpson>
energizer`: Gonna chalk this one up to nix-env and environments. $(nix-shell -p python3Packages.marshmallow) leads, for me, to <module 'marshmallow' from '/nix/store/n1dbc4amyfigdvvpbw7n7zv1a578sb8b-python3.7-marshmallow-2.16.3/lib/python3.7/site-packages/marshmallow/__init__.py'>
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* lovesegfault
pokes colemickens
<energizer`>
simpson: that's what i figure too
<colemickens>
<lovesegfault "pokes Cole Mickens"> What's up
<lovesegfault>
colemickens: I did more vaapi testing
<lovesegfault>
I get a bunch of symbol errors, and it never even tries to use vaapi
<lovesegfault>
not sure if you managed to go any further
* lovesegfault
is tempted to try firefox-nightly
<colemickens>
it just doesn't work
* lovesegfault
cries
<colemickens>
In what release?
<colemickens>
What version are you testing with?
<lovesegfault>
75.0b2
<colemickens>
It still hasn't landed in stable right?
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<colemickens>
If it's a beta, then it's wrapped the same as a nightly and I don't think the mozilla provided builds are ... working out with NixOS's GL.
<lovesegfault>
correct
<lovesegfault>
it's a bit sad that I'll have to choose the Nix-built ff :P
<colemickens>
Like, I can't get WR to enable fully in Nightly no matter what I do, glxtest fails.
<lovesegfault>
it's built with no LTO or PGO
<colemickens>
But it works fine on Stable where we build it from source
<lovesegfault>
and when I tried to get that working it was a big ole mess
<lovesegfault>
do we have a non-bin ff beta?
<colemickens>
I'm also not remotely qualified to speak about any of this. This is anecdotal data and some educated inferences, mostly.
<colemickens>
I don't think so, maintaining the one Firefox build seems to be enough of a task.
<lovesegfault>
alright, I'll build the ff beta on my server and see what happens
* lovesegfault
goes experimenting
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<srxl>
When creating a derivation, what are the correct attributes to use to define dependencies for build-time, and for runtime?
<srxl>
I think it's nativeBuildInputs for build-time and buildInputs for runtime?
<evils>
jup
<srxl>
Cool, just wanted to make sure :)
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<mojjo>
how can I make an nixos config independent from 'nixpkgs' from NIX_PATH. I'm using `niv` to pin nixpkgs. after setting `nixpkgs.pkgs = (import ../sources.nix).nixpkgs { };` I'm getting 'file 'nixpkgs/nixos/lib/eval-config.nix' was not found in the Nix search path' when I set `NIX_PATH=""`
<NobbZ[m]>
Evaluate the nixexpression `python37.withPackages (ps: [ ps.libfdt ])` and make it result available, then run `python3 -m libfdt` in that environment.
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<srxl>
This starts up a new shell, containing python 3.7, and includes the libfdt python package
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<bqv[m]>
is what i see now
<srxl>
Then in that shell, it runs `python3 -m libfdt`
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<srxl>
Oh, right, -p only treats it's inputs as nixpkgs attributes, not nix expressions
<srxl>
You might be able to get away with `-p python37Packages.libfdt` then
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<srxl>
if there's no python in that, try `-p python37 python37Packages.libfdt`
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<bqv[m]>
that makes a shell, but the python in there still doesn't have libfdt
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<bqv[m]>
i've been trying to run this one script for two goddamn hours
<NobbZ[m]>
For me in fact the original `nix-shell` works… Except for the fact, that it doesn't find the `libfdt` module…
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<bqv[m]>
yes, exactly
<bqv[m]>
that's my point
<bqv[m]>
why does that just not work
<bqv[m]>
i can't seem to create a shell where python sees libfdt
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<srxl>
the derivation in nixpkgs seems wrong to me :/
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<srxl>
i think it might just be broken
<bqv[m]>
broken in what way
<srxl>
the libfdt package is built from the dtc package. to enable python support, you need to pass a `pythonSupport = true` to dtc when you're building it, but I don't see the libfdt package's definiton doing that
<srxl>
give me a moment, and i can clone a local nixpkgs tree and test that theory
<s1341>
how can i force a rebuild when doing `nix-build '.' -A page`
<s1341>
?
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<immae>
s1341: there is probably a better way but I would use `nix-store --delete /nix/store/...-page`. Or add a new line in one of the scripts to trigger a rebuild
<Leira[m]>
nixos-unstable, trying to switch --upgade, got this error:
<bnj>
Hello all ! Just a little question about nix. I'm pretty new with Nix. I'm on macOs and I'm wondering where can I put my .nix files to let nix automatically load these files ? like a default.nix for example
<wedens[m]>
that's your "default" nixpkgs revision
<manveru>
s1341: and i'm pretty sure rust builds are almost never deterministic...
<wedens[m]>
Leira: what do you mean "blocked switch"?
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<Leira[m]>
blocked my `sudo nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade`
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<Leira[m]>
I removed `grv`, it is not essential anyway~
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<s1341>
manveru but it gets stuck there...
<wedens[m]>
Leira: ctrl+c it? :)
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<s1341>
hrm. manveru when i change the derivation, it should rebuild, right?
<manveru>
yep
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<s1341>
i modifed my .nix, and then ran `❯ nix-env -f ~/src/nixpkgs -iA page`, and it just says 'installing 'page-v2.3.2''
<s1341>
manveru: it's not rebuilding :(
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<manveru>
wrong file?
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<manveru>
:)
<s1341>
manveru: i don't think so...
<s1341>
the file is at ~/src/nixpkgs/pkgs/tools/misc/page/default.nix
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<srxl>
How can I get a python package (ie. python37Packages.pygobject3) to be included and usable at runtime in a non-Python derivation?
<srxl>
Putting it in buildInputs doesn't seem to work
<niso>
srxl: you mean to access it in the python repl?
<NobbZ[m]>
And if you go into your clone and do `nix-build -f ./. page`?
<NobbZ[m]>
This is how I usually test changes before trying to actually get them into my system.
<NobbZ[m]>
I wouldn't use `nix-env` anyway…
<srxl>
I have a package that uses some python scripts, and it needs pygobject
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: nix-build doesn't accept -f
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<Taneb>
s1341: either "nix-build -f ./. page" or "nix build -f ./. page"
<NobbZ[m]>
O, sorry, its `nix build` (without hyphen)
<Taneb>
...*"nix-build./. -A page" for the first one of my suggestions
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<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: ❯ nix build -f ./. page
<s1341>
error: cannot auto-call a function that has an argument without a default value ('lib')
<NobbZ[m]>
Then you are not in your nixpkgs clone root…
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<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: ok. from root it works, but it doesn't rebuild :*(
<NobbZ[m]>
Any output? And especially, in the `src` atribute, did you change the hash of the input?
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<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: no output... i didn't change teh src attribute... i changed meta.
<s1341>
the input didn't change, just my postInstall
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<ottidmes>
s1341: ah, know that one myself, you can remove it from the store with the nix-store command, it does not trigger a rebuild otherwise
<ottidmes>
s1341: nix-store --delete /nix/store/<hash of src>...
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<NobbZ[m]>
But shouldn't changing the `postInstall` change the output hash?
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: what you said...
<ottidmes>
NobbZ[m]: I don't believe it does, because the only thing considered unsafe is the remote thing, which is therefore hashed
<s1341>
ottidmes: :(
<ottidmes>
I remember having the same issue with openra mods and their postInstall
<kenshinCH>
sorry, stupid question. I'm using `python.buildEnv.env` to get a shell for development, and I use `extraLibs` successfully to add python packages. But I want also, say, `node` to be accessible in the shell, and that doesn't work from `extraLibs`. How can I get that?
<s1341>
ottidmes: that works.
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<ottidmes>
s1341: just remember, never touch /nix/store unless you go through the tooling, a lesson I learned the hard way when I started learning about Nix
<__monty__>
Also, never force remove anything even with the tooling unless you know what you're doing.
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<s1341>
__monty__: hrm. i had to add --ignore-liveness in order to delete the files...
<s1341>
is that considered 'force removing'?
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<__monty__>
Yes.
<ottidmes>
s1341: It is, but in this case it probably is safe cause the root that prevented you from removing it, is probably your local root (created with nix-build)
<ottidmes>
s1341: Although, I would recommend to always try and remove the root properly instead
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<s1341>
ottidmes: how do i do that?
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<ottidmes>
s1341: nix-store --gc --print-roots | grep -v /proc/ (that shows you all relevant roots that exist AFAIK)
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<s1341>
sorry to be a total noob, but what are 'roots'?
<s1341>
damnit. running the way NobbZ[m] suggested, it looks like my postInstall hook is not running.
<s1341>
not sure what is going on :(
<ottidmes>
In the context of the garbage collector, they ensure certain things, like your running system and all it in turn depends on (hence root) are not garbage collected
<NobbZ[m]>
The hooks are only run, if they are called by the actual phase. Many custom builders though don't call them due to implementation "bugs"
<__monty__>
s1341: The path of least resistance is usually to read the nix pills and most of the three manuals.
<tilpner>
--ignore-liveness can and does eat systems
<ottidmes>
and the manpages are quite informative
<NobbZ[m]>
Or, if you actually have an `installPhase`, then it needs to `runHook postInstall` or something like that
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: this is buildRustPackage
<s1341>
i don
<s1341>
't have installPhase.
<musicmatze>
Please STOP inviting me to the nixos github organization!!!!!
<__monty__>
musicmatze: No one's doing that manually. Github had some database outages recently which is why statuses have been lost.
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: it looks like buildRustPackage respects the postInstall hook.
<s1341>
so why is mine not being called.
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<tilpner>
musicmatze: You are a maintainer, it's probably a script inviting every maintainer into the nixpkgs-maintainers team
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<musicmatze>
__monty__: tilpner ah okay... I still would like to not join the organization. Is there anything I can do?
<__monty__>
tilpner: Joining the maintainer team isn't a requirement, at least not yet, though. So people should be free to decide whether they want to join or not and if they don't want to they shouldn't get spammed. This is the second instance of this problem I've seen. gchristensen is aware afaik.
<tilpner>
__monty__: I agree. I'm not justifying, just explaining
<musicmatze>
ok, so I guess as long as someone is aware there's a chance that the problem might vanish anytime sooner or later
<__monty__>
musicmatze: The options are 1) wait until the kinks are ironed out, 2) set up your spam filter, 3) remove yourself from the maintainer list altogether.
<tilpner>
musicmatze: First, why is joining a problem? Yes, you can remove yourself as a maintainer, but don't do that if you still want to maintain those packages, of course
<__monty__>
What's your reason for not wanting to join the org, btw? 2FA?
<musicmatze>
1 it is for me...
<tilpner>
There will hopefully be a blacklist eventually
<musicmatze>
I really want to maintain and contribute, just not join the org (yet, that might change in the future)
<tilpner>
Can you explain why? It does not give you any extra responsibility, and does not have to be displayed publicly
<__monty__>
musicmatze: Joining the org doesn't come with any extra responsibilities btw. It just allows ofborg to ping you for review of packages you maintain for example.
<tilpner>
Actually, not sure about that last part
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<musicmatze>
Yes, but for me it creates a mental responsibly and feeling of inclusion that I don't want because of how certain things are done in the community that I don't like and thus I don't want to be part of that community "officially" yet
<musicmatze>
As said, that might change in the future
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<tilpner>
Well, that just makes me more curious, but I can accept that :)
<tilpner>
It's probably graham controlling that process, reach out to him if you want to land a blacklist quickly
<tilpner>
*on a
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<musicmatze>
If you want, I'd be happy to elaborate.
<musicmatze>
In fact, that might be a good chance for a blog post on my site...
<musicmatze>
I guess I'll just do that, so the blog does not look like its abandoned
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<kolaente_>
Has anyone got this usb-c docking station (https://i-tec.cz/en/produkt/catriple4kdockpd-2/) working with nix? I've tried the drivers as descibed on https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Displaylink and counldn't get the screens to work. However, in ubuntu I got it working with the drivers from i-tec, which seem to be version 5.2 whereas those in nix are 4.4. And now I'm not sure if I can somehow port those to nix
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<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: now i am seeing that the postInstall runs, but the installShellCompletion isn't installing the completions :(
<tilpner>
musicmatze: Sounds good, ping me when it's up?
<musicmatze>
sure
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<NobbZ[m]>
s1341: Not installed or not installed where you would expect them? I'm not confident with shell install
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: no idea. They're not in .nix-profile
<NobbZ[m]>
Are they in your output?
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<s1341>
yes.
<NobbZ[m]>
Are they in the output when you don't have that hook?
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<NobbZ[m]>
At the same location?
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<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: no.
<NobbZ[m]>
Then the installer works.
<s1341>
so it is installing them, but i think i had a bad copy of the derivation in the nix store... it wasn't installing my newly built version.
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<jluttine>
is it ok to build both static and dynamic versions of a library or should we only build dynamic ones in nixpkgs?
<Yaniel>
static ones are only useful for people who build stuff using the library
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<Yaniel>
they *are* nice in that you don't need that dependency at runtime then
<jluttine>
is there any convention if they are typically built in nixpkgs derivations?
<Yaniel>
oh, there are some options for static libraries apparently
<LnL>
jluttine: I think some packages have static libraries, but generally only when those are in a separate output to avoid them when dynamic linking
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<Yaniel>
some packages also seem to have a parameter for building static binaries which defaults to false
<Boomerang>
Hi! Is there any way I can get the meta/license information of a derivation from the CLI? I know there's a way via nix-env, but I don't think that works for me since I don't install these derivations to my user env
<tilpner>
nix eval -f '<nixpkgs>' hello.meta
<tilpner>
Add --json if you need to interpret the entire result
<s1341>
NobbZ[m]: thanks for the help.
<tilpner>
Or select hello.meta.license.spdxId if you need just that
<tilpner>
You can add --raw to get rid of the quotes
<Boomerang>
Maybe I should have specified I get the derivations from `nix-store -qR /nix/store/some-path`, so I don't know which nix expression they correspond to
<tilpner>
nix-instantiate is the stable alternative to nix eval
<Boomerang>
Is that information lost once a derivation is instantiated?
<Boomerang>
(it doesn't show up in nix show-derivation)
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<tilpner>
Uh oh, that's not going to be easy
<Boomerang>
That's what I feared ^^ I don't mind scripting something complicated as long as there's a way to get that data somewhere
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<tilpner>
AFAIK meta is not stored alongside derivations anywhere
<tilpner>
So if you really need this, you'll probably need some drv->attrpath mapping
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<tilpner>
That is not always possible though, e.g. with overrides
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<Boomerang>
Isn't it weird to just drop metadata? I've heard of nix-locate which seems to do something like drv->attrpath, maybe I can try with that
<tilpner>
Why do you need this, maybe there's a better solution?
<tilpner>
nix-locate can get you part of the way, but it can't provide that mapping for all derivations
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<Boomerang>
I want to have an automated way to generate a document with all the licenses used by my software. I think the nix-store -qR approach will give me too many things, but I can blacklist some of them
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<tilpner>
That sounds much easier to do from Nix
<Boomerang>
Possibly!
<Boomerang>
In that case, how can I recursively get all the buildInputs that go into making a derivation?
<tilpner>
The problem is derivations that don't end up in buildInputs
<tilpner>
getContext doesn't give you attrsets
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<tilpner>
(Well, it does, but you know what I mean)
<Boomerang>
Yes I see, like all the dependencies that are used in a script/phase without being added to the buildInputs :(
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<ottidmes>
There is no way to add a module to a config from a script than something like this, right?
<ottidmes>
I thought it was removed, guess I will be using that then, cause both are impure anyways
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<gchristensen>
hmmm would prefer it not be a blog post personally
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<gchristensen>
musicmatze: I have disabled the thing which was sending you invitations. if you could get me exact dates that your invitations were coming in, I would really appreciate that
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<musicmatze>
gchristensen: thanks! the dates are 2020-02-24, 2020-02-25, 2020-2020-02-25 and today
<musicmatze>
maybe more, but I deleted the mails... maybe not more...
<zischknall>
Hey, I am trying to setup a dev environment with eclipse and openjdk11 but everytime i execute nix-shell it says attribute missing. But if i use the exact same package name with nix-env it works. Can someone help me out with that?
<zischknall>
And its only for the eclipse derivation
<NobbZ[m]>
How does your `shell.nix` look like? Or your invocation of `nix-shell`?
<infinisil>
zischknall: nix-env without -A uses derivation names, not attributes, to find packages
<zischknall>
my shell.nix only imports pkgs from nixpkgs and then hast the pkgs.mkshell block
<LnL>
also I'm pretty sure your "push to master" numbers include squash and merge
<gchristensen>
exactly
<musicmatze>
That is enabled ?
<musicmatze>
Well, that's another point on my list then...
<gchristensen>
okay :)
<LnL>
don't get me wrong it happens, but it's not that common AFAIK
<gchristensen>
I just thought you would like to know your numbers are much lower than reality, and we do better than you're thinking. if you update it to include perils of squash-and-merge, let me know and I'll read again
<infinisil>
Yeah I rarely see somebody push to master without a PR
<gchristensen>
it is quite uncommon
<gchristensen>
maybe a handful of times a week
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<gchristensen>
hyper_ch: it is often enough to disrupt conversations actually, and as far as my and other's searching goes, they've not interacted at all in here
<DigitalKiwi>
what's a quit message
<hyper_ch>
gchristensen: well, was just curious because I didn't notice anything... but then I discard join/part anyway
<ottidmes>
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<gchristensen>
no worries :)
<mudri>
infinisil: Did you try reproducing that problem I was having with Agda? I've written up some of what I've found here: https://github.com/agda/agda/issues/4526
<{^_^}>
agda/agda#4526 (by laMudri, 1 minute ago, open): Agda 2.6.1 bad performance, even on trivial files
<ottidmes>
hyper_ch: I disabled them in the past, but it has happened too many times that I wanted to help someone, only to find out that they left after responding, so now I at least sometimes know to stop earlier XD
<hyper_ch>
no tab-auto completion?
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<gchristensen>
usually the tab completion happens at the start of the message
<musicmatze>
<gchristensen "I just thought you would like to"> I'll certainly include the feedback in the article! After making lunch though :-D
<gchristensen>
sure
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<infinisil>
mudri: I haven't no
<infinisil>
I'll subscribe to that issue though
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<mudri>
Cheers
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<LnL>
musicmatze: the github ui shows the pr a squashed/rebased commit was part in the branch list of but seems like that's not available in the api
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<ottidmes>
hyper_ch: I do, but I often already typed the first bit of my response
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<morgrimm>
Hey all - I have a bit of a dumb question
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<morgrimm>
I have a base nix install with no channels - is it keeping up with nixpkgs on it's own, be default?
<morgrimm>
by*
<morgrimm>
I added the nixpkgs channel myself, but when I upgrade it just says it's ignoring the one I added, so I assume it's builtin
<morgrimm>
But there hasn't been any packages updates for like a week, which is odd to me coming from brew
<tilpner>
musicmatze: Thank you. I feel the same about some points, but I have no intuition about how much a transition like you described would help
<gchristensen>
morgrimm: you'll need to update your channel, with nix-channel --update
<musicmatze>
gchristensen: I added some errata to the article. Thanks again for providing feedback!
<musicmatze>
tilpner: thanks!
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<morgrimm>
gchristensen: I get `unpacking channels...` when I run it, but still no updates
<morgrimm>
If I add the unstable nixpkgs as an option, it still tells me that it's ignoring one, since they have the same packages
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<morgrimm>
Maybe I should be adding the darwin channels, since I'm on a mac? :/
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<NobbZ[m]>
How do you install and update?
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<morgrimm>
I just do `nix-channel --update` to get the latest packages, and then `nix-env -u` to upgrade what I have installed
<morgrimm>
But I installed nix like a week ago, and there's been no updates since then - so I feel like I'm definitely missing a channel or something I'm supposed to have
<morgrimm>
I'm used to Homebrew's update cadence
<NobbZ[m]>
`nix-env -u` will only update if software versions have actually changed. Have you checked if there have been real updates in the channel you use?
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<morgrimm>
That's where I'm confused - I haven't added any channels, I just assumed that it came with `nixpkgs` already as a default channel - is that correct?
<NobbZ[m]>
You won't see some intermediate library updating when using `nix-env` only the main application
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<NobbZ[m]>
You get a snapshot of a channel when you install, though you need to add an actual channel to get updates.
<NobbZ[m]>
Anyway, if your software hasn't been updated, then updates wont appear from thin air.
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<morgrimm>
Right, I get that - so I guess I should be adding the base nixpkgs channel in that case, since I haven't added anything past the snapshot
<NobbZ[m]>
You said above that you added channels…
<morgrimm>
I've also tried adding cachix as a binary cache option for some things - and I've added my user as a trusted user, but nix won't use them (untrusted substitutor error)
<NobbZ[m]>
What is the output of `nix-channels --list`?
<morgrimm>
Nothing - I removed the unstable channel because it said it was ignoring that on update
<morgrimm>
So I have no channels right now
<NobbZ[m]>
Cachix is just a cache, you won't gain nothing from it unless you build derivations locally of which you want the outputs cached.
<domenkozar[m]>
@morgrimm: what command did you use?
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<morgrimm>
NobbZ[m] I know that, but isn't the point of using a cachix cache to avoid building locally and pull binaries? Like for example, I added the `neovim-nightly` cachix cache, and then built the neovim-nightly derivation - but it built entirely locally instead of trying to pull from that cache
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<NobbZ[m]>
Perhaps there was no cache hit.
<domenkozar[m]>
morgrimm: there are a couple of reasons why that happens
<NobbZ[m]>
I don't know how often that cache is refreshed, nor do I know which buildInputs there are used to populate, but its possible, that their buildInputs don't match what you have and therefore you get a cache miss.
<domenkozar[m]>
morgrimm: what cache did you configure and what is the derivation you're trying to build?
<morgrimm>
then `warning: ignoring the user-specified setting 'trusted-public-keys', because it is a restricted setting and you are not a trusted user`, which makes no sense since I've added myself as a trusted user in the conf
<domenkozar[m]>
that's weird, cachix should assert if you're a trusted user
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<morgrimm>
I had to add myself as a trusted user for Cachix to work at all
<morgrimm>
for me to run `cachix use`
<NobbZ[m]>
I didn't need to manually trust it…
<domenkozar[m]>
what OS?
<NobbZ[m]>
Have you restarted the nix demaon since?
<morgrimm>
I'm running a multi-user install, if that makes a difference, but
<LnL>
yeah you'll need to restart the daemon after making yourself trusted
<morgrimm>
and encrypted them until I boot, which is nice
<morgrimm>
Which pr are you talking about/
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<morgrimm>
So I restarted the daemon again and added `nixpkgs-unstable`, and this is what I get running `nix-env -u`: `warning: name collision in input Nix expressions, skipping '~/.nix-defexpr/channels_root/nixpkgs'`
<morgrimm>
Does this mean that it's skipping potential packages, or just that it's preferring derivations from the unstable channel?
<LnL>
sudo -i nix-channel --list
<morgrimm>
Only the unstable channel
<morgrimm>
Does that mean I added the unstable to my user when the root already had it installed?
<morgrimm>
So it's just ignoring one, or
<NobbZ[m]>
Dpends. Did you use `sudo` sometimes and sometimes not?
<LnL>
probably, but yeah you have (a version) of unstable for both root and your user
<LnL>
so only one will be used
<morgrimm>
I only used sudo for the install as needed
<morgrimm>
Nothing beyond that, everything else was from my user
<LnL>
yeah, but by default the channel is setup for root
<morgrimm>
Ahh
<morgrimm>
So no wonder I'm not getting anything updated - I'm running the channel update form my user
<morgrimm>
from*
<LnL>
so that also takes priority and is probably older since you didn't update that one
<LnL>
indeed :)
<morgrimm>
So I either remove the root channel and leave it for my user, or just `sudo nix-channel --update` to update unstable
<morgrimm>
idk which is the better decision
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<morgrimm>
Not that it matters beyond semantics I guess
<LnL>
yeah not really, but don't forget to both remove and update if you change it
<LnL>
remove only changes the list, update actually applies it
<morgrimm>
Ahhh
<morgrimm>
so I should `nix-channel --remove nixpkgs && nix-channel --update` on my user
<morgrimm>
and then go from there updating the root one
<LnL>
for example
<morgrimm>
I just removed it from my user... and now it's gone from the root channel list too
<LnL>
did you use sudo instead of sudo -i?
<morgrimm>
I did, yeah
<LnL>
yeah sudo is weird on darwin :/
<morgrimm>
Yeah, wtf, -i works correctly
<morgrimm>
I didn't realize sudo was different on macos
<LnL>
sudo sh -c 'echo $HOME'; sudo -i sh -c 'echo $HOME'
<morgrimm>
....
<LnL>
I have no idea why somebody added keep_env HOME to the sudoers file
<morgrimm>
it just elevates the current user's perms and keeps the environment?
<morgrimm>
or does it just keep the current user's HOME for the root shell
<LnL>
Defaults env_keep += "HOME MAIL"
<morgrimm>
That's so weird
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<clever>
morgrimm: it means programs you run with sudo, will use the current users ~/.config, not roots config
<clever>
morgrimm: it also means, root will wind up owning half your config files, so certain programs never work without sudo again
<morgrimm>
._.
<morgrimm>
well that's a stupid design decision
<clever>
blame apple :P
<morgrimm>
Oh I do lol
<morgrimm>
If I could switch to arch I would
<clever>
morgrimm: dual-boot nixos + darwin?
<morgrimm>
Work MBP :( IT encrypted the boot disk so I can't do much
<clever>
morgrimm: external boot disk?
<morgrimm>
At some point getting a s76 darter is on my list, and putting linux on that for my personal use. I haven't looked into NixOS much
<morgrimm>
External could work, yeah
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<morgrimm>
I'm sure there's some fast TB3 external drives I could use
<LnL>
no locked bios?
<morgrimm>
^ Now that I don't know lol
<morgrimm>
If I had to guess, if IT can lock it down, they probably have
<ottidmes>
This is configurable, on MacOS, right? If so, maybe the Nix install script could provide a message for this for Darwin users?
<morgrimm>
^ Not a bad idea. I had no idea that was a quirk.
<morgrimm>
The install script doesn't mention anything out of the ordinary
<LnL>
yeah, alltho I'd rather just move the channels out of root by default
<LnL>
gets nuked with a sw upgrade anyway
<ottidmes>
^ This, the biggest issue I have seen with nix-channel here
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<LnL>
nix could also check ownership and refuse if it doesn't match
<morgrimm>
clever Is NixOS worth considering as an option over something like arch, for example? Like, is there an alternative package repo for things that aren't in nix yet?
<morgrimm>
With arch at least I can be kinda confident that if there's no derivation for it, it'll probably be in the AUR
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<ottidmes>
morgrimm: Friend of mine uses NixOS and has a chroot with Arch for that use case
<morgrimm>
That's not a bad idea actually
<morgrimm>
Any issues with it that they found came up?
<morgrimm>
with that setup, I mean
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<ottidmes>
fusion809: Are there any problems you found with your chroot Arch within NixOS approach?
<fusion809>
I understand someone wants to know about running NixOS with an Arch chroot
<fusion809>
No, at first I did but that was lack of knowledge realy.
<ottidmes>
morgrimm: ^
<fusion809>
morgrimm: it's essentially like a pair of safety wheels on a bike -- they're there to catch you if you lose your balance and find NixOS is too challenging for you, or you just have some teething trouble with it.
<ottidmes>
I haven't tried that approach myself, but that way, can you just run Arch programs next to NixOS, or is it more like live switching between the two?
<morgrimm>
^ wondering that myself. I'm not too worried about challenging, I can figure whatever out - I'm just worried about needing something that isn't available as a nix package (without going to the trouble of writing derivations myself for all those things)
<morgrimm>
Or managing GUI apps (browsers, etc.)
<morgrimm>
^ albeit that I'm used to the shitty brew/brew cask separation for managing, so I don't know how nix handles those
<fusion809>
Yep, you can run Arch programs next to NixOS. So, say you have an app you want to run that is not in the nixpkgs repo, or that isn't working properly from nixpkgs. What you do is chroot into your Arch install and launch the program within it. If it's a graphical application you have to run `xhost +` outside the chroot (i.e. in your NixOS terminal) and then run `export DISPLAY=":0"` within the chroot and type the command that
<fusion809>
will launch that app. If you need audio in the program you want to run there's a way to get that too.
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<simpson>
morgrimm: What would you do on other distros? At some point, picking a distro means picking its package manager and accepting that occasionally one will have to write custom package descriptions.
<ottidmes>
fusion809: I assume Arch's services won't be working though, right?
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<ottidmes>
Yep, I started out with Arch on my laptop as fallback, and NixOS on my desktop, and now I haven't used Arch in years, no longer found the need
<fusion809>
No, but that's never served as a barrier before for me. I've run quite a few apps in the chroot. I've run games, I've run web browsers, I've run maths software, jpdfbookmarks (an app for editing bookmarks in PDF files), etc.
<morgrimm>
simpson You're totally right - I do the same with writing custom brew formulae on darwin, I'm not averse to it. A small part of me is still worried just that nixpkgs just flat out doesn't have the variety of AUR - but then again, the more people write packages for it after not finding what they need, they faster that gets better
<morgrimm>
And I far prefer nix's package management model to anything else
<fusion809>
Running the apps natively is preferable, one aspect of using a chroot is that desktop config files can't be used to launch apps from chroots, at least not to my knowledge.
<simpson>
morgrimm: AUR and nixpkgs aren't apples-to-apples; a more reasonable comparison might be nixpkgs with Gentoo's Portage trees or other ports trees. AUR is able to have a large selection precisely because they do not vet or integrate.
<symphorien>
(it's a bit biased because nixpkgs contains a lot of haskell packages)
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<morgrimm>
That makes sense though - at least with nix you have more assurances than a random packages from AUR
<morgrimm>
package*
<fusion809>
Well, morgrimm if you decide to go the chroot route, here's the shell script function I use to set up chroots, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fusion809/common-scripts/master/chroot/genroot-basic.sh. I run genbasic /arch, where /arch is the mount point for my Arch petition. That function uses Zsh as the default shell in the chroot. You may wish to adapt it according to your purposes. It also tries to mount my /data
<fusion809>
petition, so you may wish to delete that line too.
<fusion809>
I always check AUR packages before installing.
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<fusion809>
data petition to /data within the chroot^
<morgrimm>
If I use it I'll have to adapt it for fish - shouldn't be too hard
<morgrimm>
But that really helps
<morgrimm>
Maybe I'll stick NixOS on an external drive and play around with installing and using it
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<cransom>
even better, stick it on your internal drive and never look back!
<morgrimm>
^ Work Macbook, IT's got it locked up pretty tight
<morgrimm>
Eventually I'll by a personal machine and do just that
<morgrimm>
buy*
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<ottidmes>
nixos-enter hangs for me on setting up /etc, any idea?
<lordcirth__>
strace it?
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<ottidmes>
lordcirth__: I will try that, maybe it gives me some insight, it probably is related to it being run from a script rather than interactively, so will first experiment with that
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<ottidmes>
Well sorry for the noise, it was what I just mentioned, could not be run from a script like I did
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<ottidmes>
ssh -t nixos-install 'nixos-enter' was the fix
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<alexherbo27548>
Hi
<alexherbo27548>
What is the default display manager of NixOS?
<alexherbo27548>
I have commented `# services.xserver.displayManager.sddm.enable = true;` but it display another manager than SDDM
<jakobrs>
Apparently the Nix channel system is being changed? why?
<ottidmes>
jakobrs: could you eleborate?
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<jakobrs>
I've been looking around in the Nixos/nix issue tracker and have seen comments about channels being "basically deprecated" or something like that. I
<ottidmes>
"nix-channel and ~/.nix-defexpr are gone"
<ottidmes>
which is how I have been using NixOS since 2015
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<lordcirth__>
What have you done instead? set NIX_PATH?
<ottidmes>
yep
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<jakobrs>
ottidmes: So you set NIX_PATH to point to the urls of the channels directly?
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<jakobrs>
like NIX_PATH=nixpkgs=https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-19.09
<ottidmes>
jakobrs: no, I have it point to a path to a pinned version
<jakobrs>
Which you update using git pull?
<ottidmes>
nope, I have a file in my custom nixpkgs lib that lists all channels I might use with a commit/sha256 and then I use fetchTarball
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<ottidmes>
but to work around the chicken and egg problem (of defining which channel to use in my config, but needing the channel to build the config), I have a small script I run whenever I update my channel, and so my path in NIX_PATH is a symlink, not pointing to a fixed version
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<linarcx>
Guys, i want to get actuall path of clangd and set it to an environment variable. So: `#export PATH_CLANGD=${pkgs.clang}/bin/clangd` doesn't work and actuall clangd is here: `/nix/store/m45hvw04vh0qcls5rnhg1q8y5jh62pwz-clang-7.1.0/bin/clangd`
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<EffSquared>
Hi guys. I am puzzled by an issue I am having with cmake inside a nix-shell
<EffSquared>
The setup hook of cmake normally generates the CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH to contain all dependencies.
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<turion>
I want to continuously deploy from gitlab to my nixos server. Basically, every time my pipeline runs through, I want my nixos server to git pull && nixos-rebuild switch. Any idea how I'd do that sensibly? I could give gitlab access to my server via SSH, but that feel unsafe.
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<clever>
EffSquared: what args did you run nix-shell with?
<EffSquared>
Somehow however they are separated by colons (:) instead of semicolons (;) all the sudden and CMake no longer recognizes them.
<turion>
Is there some kind of simple light-weight service I can run on my server that I can call with wget that will trigger a rebuild?
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<misuzu>
turion: you could build your system(s) using gitlab-ci runner and then deploying it to your server(s) via ssh
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<turion>
misuzu: So that means handing gitlab SSH access to my server, right?
<misuzu>
turion: yes
<EffSquared>
@clever: I have a shell.nix that brings in all kind of dependencies. I use lorri to run the actual shell.
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<EffSquared>
I tested it out of nix-shell directly and it made no difference.
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<EffSquared>
The main reason I am almost certain I hit some kind of bug is, that adding ```string(REPLACE ":" ";" CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH "${CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH}")``` to my CMakeLists.txt fixes all issues.
<clever>
EffSquared: the code in nix will always use : to seperate the list
<turion>
Hmmm, I could maybe push to the repo on my server and set up a git hook there that rebuilds
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<EffSquared>
Hmm, I will try an older CMake version then.
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<linarcx>
Guys, this env return nothing: `export CMAKE=${pkgs.cmake}/bin/cmake`. why?
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<cole-h>
Where do you have it?
<linarcx>
cole-h: Inside a shell.nix file
<cole-h>
Mind posting a paste of it in its entirety?
<felix59>
Hey guys, I am trying to use nix-shell to get a reproducible development environment for a iOS app. I managed to get all packages I need but my problem is that some build tool I use executes "clang" which now points to the version in the nix store. So I think I want a way to get a nix-shell without a depdenccy to clang. I think this depdency comes
<felix59>
from mkDerivation? what would be the easiest way to remove that depdency?
<cole-h>
felix59: Why is executing the clang from the nix store undesirable?
<linarcx>
All other envs are fine. just cmake is empty.
<symphorien>
felix59: use stdenvNoCC instead of stdenv
<felix59>
Good question. Seems like the nix clang doesn't understand all apple targets, e.g. "clang -x objective-c -target arm64_32-apple-watchos4.0" yields an error "unknown target triple"
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<felix59>
Oh cool, I am trying stdenvNoCC
<cole-h>
linarcx: It works fine for me, but I had to change `export CLANGD` to be `pkgs.clang-tools` instead of `pkgs.clang.clangd`
<cole-h>
But that gives 9.0.1. Change it to `llvmPackages.libclang` for 7.1.0 clangd
<linarcx>
clang isn't the issue. i want cmake :)
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<felix59>
Cool, thanks symphorien, stdenvNoCC works :)
<cole-h>
linarcx: Right, just trying to narrow down differences.
<cole-h>
linarcx: Does it work if you add `-I nixpkgs-overlays=/var/empty` to your `nix-shell` invocation?
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<EffSquared>
@clever: I am beyond confused. I have a CMake project that ignores all environment variables.
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<EffSquared>
All my minimal test cases do not have this issue.
<EffSquared>
@clever: Thank you for your help anyway.
<EffSquared>
\quit Stay safe, wash your hands. =D
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<pepesza>
Is there a way to "pin" packages that I use in my shell.nix file? I'm on a slow internet connection ATM, and I don't want system to re-download stuff
<Shell>
does anyone have a config I could borrow from for an authoritative-only DNS server in NixOS?
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<NobbZ[m]>
What do you mean by "pin"?
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<pepesza>
NobbZ: I want it to just apply the environment when I execute `nix-shell`, without downloading stuff again and again
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<NobbZ[m]>
If "stuff" is already on your system it won't be downloaded again. Though if you collected garbage or updated a channel, then it might cause rebuild/download
<NobbZ[m]>
Because both actiona either delete stuff or outdate it.
<pepesza>
NobbZ: hmm, I'm using nixos-19.09 channel. So it should be stable. And I haven't run explicit request to GC packages from the store..
<NobbZ[m]>
You can pin the nixpkgs of the shell.nix to a certain commit via importing a certain commit of it directly from GitHub, but this still won't save you from GC
<pepesza>
NobbZ: could it run GC automatically for any other reason (e.g. me running low on disk space)?
<NobbZ[m]>
Stable, yes. Though due to how nix works, a change in a library causes tools that link to this library to get updated as well,
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<NobbZ[m]>
If you have activated automatic GC, then yes, automatic GC will happen
<NobbZ[m]>
So to avoid your problem, you need to pin the shell to a commit, and also make your shell a GC root. Though as I'm on a mobile I have a hard time to provide you with some links.
<Shell>
ottidmes: thanks!
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<linarcx>
Not as a service. I put it inside my i3.config. But yeah. It' running in background..
<mdash>
i'm hitting a fun little error:
<evanjs>
Yeah, however you can check the logs. It's typically pretty helpful with its errors
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<ZoomZoomZoom>
Hi. I had a local cache in my config that's no longer available. I'm trying to rebuild-switch the system, but it still tries to fetch narinfo from this local address, which is already removed from the config. What to do?
<lewo>
mdash: there is an attribute to build an openstack image
<evanjs>
linarcx: nix-locate doesn't work? you should be able to install it with nix-env
<evanjs>
via `nix-env -iA nixpkgs.nix-index`
<ottidmes>
ZoomZoomZoom: it basically comes down to the annoying chicken and egg problem where you need part of your config that dictates how your config should be build, the same issue is with NIX_PATH
<evanjs>
nixos -> nixpkgs on non nixos systems
<ZoomZoomZoom>
ottidmes, ok, will try that. Thanks a lot.
<evanjs>
oh. or not. thought it was derp
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<cole-h>
lewo++
<{^_^}>
lewo's karma got increased to 1
<gchristensen>
lewo++
<{^_^}>
lewo's karma got increased to 2
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<ZoomZoomZoom>
ottidmes, no luck
<evanjs>
linarcx: yeah, nix-index works fine on non-nixos systems
<timokau[m]>
Is anyone here successfully using pre-commit in nixos? I'm having issues getting it to work.
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<linarcx>
evanjs: there's no nix-index either :)
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<cole-h>
`nix-shell -p nix-index` should give you a shell with it.
<linarcx>
Ok it installed.
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<linarcx>
How query files that belong to specific packages?
<cole-h>
First you need to generate an index with `nix-index`, then you can run `nix-locate -w '-file/path you want-'`
<evanjs>
linarcx: as I mentioned in my first post, `nix-locate clangd -w1` should be enough for that, after running `nix-index`
<linarcx>
thanks.
<ottidmes>
ZoomZoomZoom: I probably should have started out with this, but is the local cache still mentioned in your /etc/nix/nix.conf?
<jonreeve[m]>
Anyone know how to disable tests for a haskell package? I'm using `developPackage`—is there an option for that already?
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<emily>
is anyone running a nixos-unstable system with flakes? is there any reference material for how to switch your system over to using a flakes Nix and referencing nixpkgs as a flake, etc.?
<emily>
I'm interested in trying it out
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<ZoomZoomZoom>
ottidmes, Oh, yep, it's still there
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<morgrimm>
Hey folks, I have a nixos question :P I'm looking into use it, potentially - how does nixos manage configs? Like, do I have to use `home-manager` or nix config files? Or can I use my standard dotfiles?
<notgne2>
morgrimm: NixOS won't touch anything user related, that's the purpose of home-manager, but it's completely optional
<notgne2>
think of it as NixOS managing /etc/ for you, and home-manager managing $HOME (good naming convention), you can use home-manager without NixOS, or NixOS without home-manager
<Athas>
morgrimm: I use the exact same dotfiles that I've used on every other distribution.
<Athas>
No home-manager or everything. NixOS doesn't affect my home directory at all.
<morgrimm>
Beauty - all my dots are built for chezmoi and templating, so it would definitely suck to have to migrate them
<ottidmes>
ZoomZoomZoom: Failing that, just run: sudo cp /etc/nix/nix.conf{,~} && sudo mv /etc/nix/nix.conf{~,} && sudo nano /etc/nix/nix.conf, and edit it yourself, but if your config is still wrong, you will have the problem again later, so please make sure your config is correct
<ZoomZoomZoom>
ottidmes, isn't nix store read-only?
<ottidmes>
ZoomZoomZoom: it sure is, but /etc/nix/nix.conf the location is not, so by copying over the contents, we make it a regular file with the same contents rather than a symlink, and then we move it back, and then edit like you do normally
<ZoomZoomZoom>
Ah, yep
<ZoomZoomZoom>
Thanks a lot
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<asbachb>
Hi. I wonder if there's a cache provider which caches unfree packages like VirtualBox?
<xfix>
I would doubt that (VirtualBox is unfree?)
<asbachb>
xfix: Mhh maybe it's guest additions.
<xfix>
in most cases, proprietary programs are binary only, so building them takes pretty much no time
<asbachb>
But it seems that entire VirtualBox is beeing built.
<xfix>
Extension Pack is non-free, yes
<zeta_0>
ottidmes: thanks for the link, but i don't think that has to do with what i'm trying to do, i'm trying to build darcs with cabal in a nix-shell in order to contribute to the darcs open source project
<{^_^}>
#82928 (by xfix, 1 day ago, open): [19.09] Revert 1.1.1e update and apply CVE-2019-1551 patch
<xfix>
it needs to be merged, pretty much, and this will unblock 19.09 channel
<asbachb>
So basically I'm not using the latest version of 19.09 channel?
<xfix>
you are using the latest working version of 19.09 channel
<xfix>
you aren't using the latest version of 19.09 channel, but honestly you probably don't want to use something that doesn't work
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<asbachb>
So latest version of 19.09 is only published when the tests are working?
<xfix>
yes
<asbachb>
Otherwise channel 19.09 and head 19.09 differ.
<xfix>
also all packages need to build, but it doesn't matter whether they do it successfully or not
<xfix>
this is to avoid the need to compile packages manually on each update
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<asbachb>
And what is required so that a package is cached?
<xfix>
once it successfully builds, it will be cached
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<asbachb>
xfix: I think I got it now. So the latest releas 19.09 is building vlc but it's not published because of a testing failure of the entire release. And the channel I'm using faild to build vlc so no cache version is available.
<xfix>
pretty much
<asbachb>
xfix: Thanks!
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<ottidmes>
Still seeing a lot of: substituteStream(): WARNING: pattern '/nix/store/828g2nqfgivscv79xykkmgjk0znll08l-bash-4.4-p23/bin/sh' doesn't match anything in file '/nix/store/f97y7621xwhsw1nfhbg0maa6cx5q8m3p-udev-rules/95-dm-notify.rules'
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<ottidmes>
if this is harmless, why is not supressed/fixed yet, it is scary to see a screen full of them when building
<cole-h>
What package does it come from?
<cole-h>
Sounds like something that was changed upstream.
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<ottidmes>
cole-h: not sure, I am just building my system as a whole after changing something unrelated
<cole-h>
It's not inherently harmful that it doesn't match.
* cole-h
goes looking
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<ottidmes>
cole-h: Thanks!
<cole-h>
Assuming you use devicemapper, correct?
<ottidmes>
cole-h: This config of mine might be relevant: boot.initrd.extraUdevRulesCommands = ''cp -v ${extraUdevRules}/*.rules $out/'';
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<cole-h>
Then I assume you have a custom `95-dm-notify.rules` file
<ottidmes>
cole-h: I know the words "device" "mapper", but it does not ring a bell, sounds like something I ought to know though
<cole-h>
(devicemapper is part of lvm2)
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<cole-h>
It's because it tries to replace all potential binary references with the actual binary in-store
<cole-h>
If it doesn't match, it's a no-op. If it matches, yay!
<cole-h>
TL;DR: That message can be safely ignored.
<ottidmes>
It really should have an option to do this quietly, cause it makes sense to warn for your builds, but not when just trying
<cole-h>
Err, it replaces store references with that of `extraUtils`
<ottidmes>
Ah, with that one I am familiar, I am working on my initrd at the moment, trying to fix why my secret files are missing in it :(
<energizer`>
what's the recommended way to make a bootable usb nixos?
<energizer`>
am i supposed to be using dd?
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<zeta_0>
i was able to get into the nix-shell, changing the cabal file and the nix file used by cabal2nix to the same name as the directory name did fix the error, when i did cabal get darcs, it named the cabal file darcs.cabal, not, darcs-2.14.2.cabal
<hpfr[m]>
oh, thanks. I avoided the NixPkgs docs when I switched to NixOS because the NixOS manual was enough to take in, but I should probably read it now
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<energizer`>
i dd'ed nixos.iso onto /dev/sdb and tried to boot but the boot didn't work
<Bunogi>
Is there a builder specifically for packaging shell scripts? I'm using mkDerivation and I can install the script just fine, but the script needs certain commands to be available. I've tried putting the packages which contain them into buildInputs but that doesn't help, when I actually try running the script I just get command not found errors.
<ZoomZoomZoom>
Is there a way to recover from malformed /nix/var/nix/db.sqlite if I have no sqlite installed?
<ottidmes>
I am trying to use lsblk in my initrd, but when I copy it over to extraUtils, I get: lsblk: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<ottidmes>
energizer`: what is /dev/sdb? an USB stick? did it work for other liveCDs in the past? I have some old USBs that won't work when I dd an iso on them
<energizer`>
ottidmes i havent tried it before
<energizer`>
it's new tho
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<ZoomZoomZoom>
energizer`, did you `sync` after dd'ing the image? What's the source of the iso?
<Bunogi>
hpfr[m]: symlinkJoin looks promising, gonna try that
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<ottidmes>
energizer`: bash-confirm does not exist for you though, but as you can see it comes down to: sudo dd bs=4M oflag=sync status=progress if="$src" of="$dst"
<hpfr[m]>
what's an easy way to get the sha256 necessary for fetchFromGitHub?
<energizer`>
hpfr[m]: use a wrong sha and it'll correct you
<hpfr[m]>
hah, that just felt wrong :D
<energizer`>
ottidmes /dev/rsdb didn't work but /dev/sdb did
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<ZoomZoomZoom>
ottidmes, Nah, rebuild won't work without a db, and fix I can't 'pragma integrity_check' without sqlite. Will try repairing or dumping from other machine
<energizer`>
it says set a password for 'root' or 'nixos', which one should i use?
<ottidmes>
energizer`: when does it ask that?
<energizer`>
when booting from usb
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<ottidmes>
Hmm, I always use custom NixOS iso's but it is based on the default one, it just logs me in as nixos automatically
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<ottidmes>
energizer`: if you really have to choose, just choose nixos, then most things will work better (like live GUI) and sudo should be configured for it, so you can still enter root
<das-g[m]>
I'm working on packaging the command line Esperanto dictionary https://github.com/bpeel/prevodb/ , but am unsure where in the NixPkgs tree to place it.
<das-g[m]>
tools/text ? (It certainly is about "text", but not really about "text processing". It's kinda like man, but for Esperanto words rather than Linux commands.)
<das-g[m]>
tools/misc ? (That's where man-db lives, too.)
<das-g[m]>
applications/misc ? (What's the difference between an application and a tool anyway?)
<mehlon>
I guess tools are used to create applications while applications are what the end user tends to use
<mehlon>
applications/misc seems reasonable because thats where goldendict is
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<energizer`>
i can't parse this sentence "Mount the target file system on which NixOS should be installed on /mnt, e.g. `mount /dev/disk/by-label/nixos /mnt`"
<energizer`>
what is the task being done here?
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<aidenholmes>
hello
<xfix>
You should mount the partitions you want under /mnt
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<aidenholmes>
how to completely remove nix package manager and home-manager from debian
<xfix>
for instance, if you created two partitions, one root, and one home, then you want to mount root partition under /mnt, and home partition under /mnt/home
<das-g[m]>
energizer`: The task is to make the file system of the device (probably a hard disk drive partition or SSD partition) onto which you wish to install NixOS available under /mnt of the live system.
<xfix>
the installation script will recognize partition layout and create hardware-configuration.nix for the given partition layout
<mehlon>
and of course boot partition under /mnt/boot if you're using systemd-boot!
<b42>
joepie91: quick solution might be to run it from nix-shell, e.g. nix-shell -p "perl.withPackages (p: [ p.LWPUserAgent ])"
<joepie91>
das-g[m]: it doesn't really, no, that's about defining Perl packages [in nixpkgs], I'm just trying to spawn a shell with certain packages present
<aidenholmes>
i solved my problem
<aidenholmes>
but while i'm here
<joepie91>
b42: hm, that seems simpler than my current hacked-together solution with PERL5LIB and makePerlPath
<das-g[m]>
Ah, right. Then go for nix-shell, as b42 recommended.
<joepie91>
will try that in a moment :)
<aidenholmes>
the reason i still use guix system instead of nixos is because guix has a debian style installer
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<mehlon>
ah, it's true..
<mehlon>
we are more of the Arch Linux installation style right now
<joepie91>
b42: actually the whole question may be obsolete considering that the script itself doesn't seem to work anyway...
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<joepie91>
going to debug that first :P
<b42>
such is life
<b42>
:D
<joepie91>
and looking at it, "script" may have been a misnomer...
<aidenholmes>
yeah in a weird way i'd expect nixos to be easier to install than guix, because nix supports proprietary wifi drivers and guix does not
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<rycee>
aidenholmes: For HM try `home-manager uninstall`.
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<aidenholmes>
rycee: too late i removed guix and deleted home-manager from where i git cloned it
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<aidenholmes>
nix*
<mehlon>
well I guess Nix wanted to go for a real Ubuntu/Fedora style installer
<mehlon>
which is harder to do than a text user interface installer
<aidenholmes>
~ » find . -name home-manager
<aidenholmes>
./.local/share/home-manager
<aidenholmes>
ah one more thing to remove
<xfix>
i think Arch Linux style installer is fine, Nix is harder to use than Ubuntu/Fedora
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<xfix>
you are kinda expected to know more about Linux
<mehlon>
yeah once you know how to do it it's just much nicer and feels safer
<mehlon>
because you know the installer won't accidentally fuck up your partitioning because you misunderstood something
<mehlon>
... because there is no installer
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<aidenholmes>
i'm actually planning on making my own distro, TDLR debian with i3wm, a more user-friendly launcher, and an interactive tutorial
<aidenholmes>
with the goal of making tiling window managers mainstream
<das-g[m]>
With partitioning, there's always the option to fuck it up due to misunderstanding something, whether you do it through an installer or directly.
<rycee>
aidenholmes: Cool. Note, if you still have `/nix` around then you need to remove the home-manager profile and gcroot links and also the `~/.local/share/home-manager` directory.
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<simpson>
aidenholmes: You might want to focus on apt/deb, then, since Nix doesn't have first-class for deb-style packages.
<aidenholmes>
the /nix is no more
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<aidenholmes>
lol i initially typed /nix and my irc client thought it was a command
<mehlon>
but I think NixOS could become a very compelling system for all skill levels once they add a Guix-type installer, a graphical package manager and configuration app that can modify the /etc/nixos/configuration.nix directly
<xfix>
probably
<xfix>
but that's not what NixOS is currently
<mehlon>
yeah, it's also discussed in some of the github issues
<xfix>
there is more to it than installer
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<das-g[m]>
Could "gnome Software" be made to interface with `nix search` and `nix run`? Would be cool if it could list NixPkgs packages and have a button "run without permanently installing"
<xfix>
probably
<das-g[m]>
That'd probably be easier and safer than letting a GUI application edit a maybe convoluted /etc/nixos/configuration.nix
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<symphorien>
das-g[m]: you would have to make a packagekit backend for nix
<mehlon>
well instead of having it edit the global configuration you can just have it edit an overlay
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<ottidmes>
Although I could probably easily roll out my own, does there already exist something to layer directories on top of each other, but rather than completely recreating the tree structure and replacing files with symlinks like lndir, I like it to only create symlinks when necessary to layer the directories over each other
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<mehlon>
well you can always use plan 9
<ottidmes>
why?
<mehlon>
otherwise there's unionfs
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<mehlon>
I was joking about plan 9, but that's an operating system where layering two directories would be very easy to do
<ottidmes>
ah, wasn't aware, I know it had some novel ideas though
<ottidmes>
unionfs seems cool, but overkill what could be solved with a few symlinks
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<mehlon>
I think such a tool doesn't exist yet
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<aidenholmes>
is it possible to host your own instance of irccloud?
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<ottidmes>
guess I should try overlayfs, since it seems simpler than unionfs and basically fits my need (the other directory is from /nix/store so readonly anyways)
<ottidmes>
mehlon++ thanks!
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<ottidmes>
what?
<ottidmes>
mehlon++
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<mehlon>
lol
<ottidmes>
mehlon++
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<ottidmes>
there we go
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<mehlon>
yeah I tried to give myself some karma
<ottidmes>
well that is karma for ya :P
<mehlon>
but {^_^}-- didn't like it
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<das-g[m]>
mehlon++ also for the derivation placement advice before :-)
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<colemickens>
I really need to upgrade my rpi4 setup. I didn't realize the SD cards died quite this quickly. Even at next to zero cost this is a maintenance burden. And if I'm spoiled with another computer in the house or gigabit bandwidth, I might as well have all of the storage be remote. Netboot and mount /var/lib over CIFS(?). This doesn't sound too silly, right?
<mehlon>
thanks! with this karma I shall surely rule the world
<mehlon>
colemickens: well, you might even consider running plan nine :)
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<mehlon>
Advanced Distributed Computing! 5 or 6 hobbyist users can't be wrong!
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<mehlon>
but that sounds like it could totally work. maybe.
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<mdash>
colemickens: yeah last time i fooled with an rpi i did nfs root
<colemickens>
Somehow, visions of Renee French's drawings popped in my head. And then I realized I have no idea why I know who that is.
<mehlon>
she made the gopher from Go
<colemickens>
yeah and the plan nine bunny :P
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<colemickens>
mdash: were you running nixos on both sides? I'd be curious to see a nice starting point
<mehlon>
I run alpine linux that has a kernel on the sd card but all the rest on a USB drive
<mehlon>
can't run NixOS because I don't have arm64 ;(
<mehlon>
I just need to download 32 more bits...
<colemickens>
mehlon: you have a device that can boot from SD but not USB?
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<mehlon>
the rpi can probably boot directly from USB as well, but I didnt bother to do that
<colemickens>
I thought about that too, I've got a really nice SSD but it's supposed to be a designated backup-only device.
<energizer`>
"Mount the boot file system on /mnt/boot, e.g. mount /dev/disk/by-label/boot /mnt/boot" i don't have a by-label/boot. can i skip this step?
<colemickens>
energizer`: you probably just want to substitute the correct device path. if you don't mount /boot, the bootloader won't be installed properly (possibly).
<mehlon>
energizer: do you have a relatively recent computer (post 2010 or so), if so you need to find the first partition
<mehlon>
the first partition is a FAT32 partition that you install the bootloader on
<mehlon>
if you're already running Windows it's probably called ESP or SYSTEM
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<energizer`>
this might be older than that
<energizer`>
how would i find out? i'm currently in the nixos boot ui
<mehlon>
hmm, hold on
<energizer`>
google tells me /sys/firmware/efi which does exist at least in this situation (but maybe that's fake?)
<mehlon>
run `ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars` and then `sudo fdisk --list`
<mehlon>
if the efivars dir is not empty then you have UEFI, and then you have to mount the first partition (of type EFI System) to /mnt/boot
<energizer`>
aha, /dev/sdc2 is of Type EFI
<mehlon>
that must be it
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* energizer`
crosses fingers and runs nixos-install