<worldofpeace>
karetsu: is that shell in /etc/shells?
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<karetsu>
worldofpeace, jtojnar : ffs
<karetsu>
swapping out my user shell fixed it
<karetsu>
/var/run/.../zsh was what prevented them appearing everywhere
<worldofpeace>
yay ✨
<worldofpeace>
getusershell will not include that path as a valid shell because it doesn't exist in /etc/shells
<karetsu>
which is annoying because that worked as-is in 19.03 lol
<karetsu>
thank you for all your patience, you wouldn't think I'd actually been a linux user for 15 years - I think jumping to nixos made me lose all my common sense ^__^
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<worldofpeace>
karetsu: I assumed you had some experience as you were able to respond to most of my requests without tons of explanation (i.e you could shell redirect). And yes, nixos has this effect sometimes :D
<jtojnar>
most likely we changed /etc/shells to point to /run (/var/run is a deprecated symlink)
<jtojnar>
I recommend just setting the shell to `pkgs.zsh`
<worldofpeace>
hmmm, those should have been readded to /etc/shells for compat
<jtojnar>
or whatever you use
<karetsu>
yeah, will change that now
<worldofpeace>
Ahh, now to somehow inject this into the discourse post so it can be marked as resolved :D
<karetsu>
I had one other question though but I don't think its an issue - since I nuked the drive I'm now getting a SHA256 message at kernel selection in grub - should I worry about some RNG protocol failing because it doesn't exist?
<karetsu>
worldofpeace: about to add it into the post :)
<clever>
though id recomend against that, 6 months later, you wont remember what the magic expr was, and cant reproduce things
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to release-19.09: https://git.io/JeaoW
<clever>
best to add an override to config.nix, and install that overrive
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #72957 → python3Packages.cliff: fix build and add tests → https://git.io/Jeaol
<DigitalKiwi>
i add a bash alias for nix-env
<nh2[m]>
clever: infinisil: thanks! Can I combine the `-f` approach with the `-E`xpr?
<clever>
nh2[m]: doesnt really make sense, -f tells it to import something for use with -A
<clever>
nh2[m]: but -E can just import somethng directly
<nh2[m]>
ah so -f does not set the root scope for `-E`?
<clever>
i'm not sure what will happen if you mix both
<nh2[m]>
ah looks like it does set the scope: `nix-env -i -f '<nixpkgs>' -E 'nixpkgs: (nixpkgs {}).yarn'`
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<clever>
and if you point -f elsewhere, it evals to a different version?
<DigitalKiwi>
and occasionally just an alias that reminds me what incantation i want
<nh2[m]>
clever: I think your line needs a `{}` though: `nix-env -i -E '_: with import <nixpkgs> {}; yarn'`
<clever>
nh2[m]: oh, that might be related to the auto-call stuff in -A
<clever>
nh2[m]: one minute
<nh2[m]>
clever: I would imagine that pointing `-f` somewhere else, it should pick that nixpkgs root, yes
<nh2[m]>
that is pretty much what I want; the argument for forgetting what I overrode it with is good but in this case I just need it for a one-off task
<clever>
nh2[m]: basically, -A will auto-call any function it stumbles into
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<clever>
nh2[m]: so, nix-env, without -f, is setting the scope to a set of functions, each importing a channel, so { nixpkgs = import <nixpkgs>; nixos = import <nixos>; } basically
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<clever>
nh2[m]: and when you nix-env -iA nixos.yarn, it auto-calls the nixos attr, with any supplied --arg
<clever>
but nix-env -i -E 'foo: ...' passes that whole set as foo
<clever>
and you must now call it yourself
<clever>
then nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -E 'foo: ...' now replaces the entire set with a single function, which you must still call!
<nh2[m]>
yes makes sense
<aanderse>
qyliss: are you a/the services.mailman maintainer?
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace opened pull request #72959 → nixos/gnome3: add gnome-flashback to systemd.packages → https://git.io/Jeaou
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<CMCDragonkai>
When I usually use nix-build, I usually point to `--attr` to a particular attribute meaning a derivation. However if the attribute is actually a Nix function, is there a way to use `nix-build` to the attribute with parameters? Is it to use the `-E` option?
<clever>
CMCDragonkai: -A foo.bar will auto-call foo and bar (and the file itself) with any --arg values
<CMCDragonkai>
Well my CLI is like `nix-build ./nixos/release.nix --attr makeNetboot`
<CMCDragonkai>
I want to call the `makeNetboot` function
<CMCDragonkai>
I thought `--arg` goes into `./nixos/release.nix`, not the `makeNetboot` function?
<clever>
CMCDragonkai: is it still in the let block? it should fail due to it being undefined
<clever>
CMCDragonkai: it goes to both, check the gist i linked
<CMCDragonkai>
Oh i see
<CMCDragonkai>
You have `--eval` there
<clever>
every time -A encounters a function, it just calls it with all of the --arg values
<CMCDragonkai>
Is that what makes the difference?
<clever>
nope, the --eval just makes nix-instantiate prett-print the value, rather then demand a derivation at the end
<CMCDragonkai>
so all --arg and --argstr goes into the file, then to the first attribute, then the second attribute
<clever>
yeah
<CMCDragonkai>
there's no consumption of the argument right?
<clever>
correct
<clever>
and any unused arguments are silently ignored
<clever>
leading to confusion when users try to use --arg on flags that only .override accepts
<CMCDragonkai>
I meant if the file consumes arg1, does the attribute function not get arg1? What if it also wanted arg1?
<clever>
CMCDragonkai: it will use builtins.functionArgs to figure out what each function wants
<clever>
> builtins.functionArgs ({ a, b }: 42)
<{^_^}>
{ a = false; b = false; }
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<clever>
i often see users doing something somewhat like: nix-env -iA nixos.mplayer --arg pulseSupport true
<clever>
but it silently does nothing, because <nixpkgs> doesnt accept such a flag, and .mplayer isnt a function
<CMCDragonkai>
right yea, that is actually pretty confusing
<clever>
nix-env -iA nixos.mplayer --arg config '{ pulseaudio = true; }' is one option (the default.nix defaults the pulseSupport flag to config.pulseaudio)
<CMCDragonkai>
especially given that when you go for the package, the package itself is a function that is called by `callPackage`
<clever>
nix-env -iA nixos.mplayer.override --arg pulseSupport true, should also work, because .override is now a function, but it might give trouble
<clever>
and in either case, youll forget what you did 6 months down the road, and `nix-env -u mplayer` will undo the override
<clever>
so its better to put such a thing into config.nix, so it persists
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[nixpkgs] @JohnAZoidberg opened pull request #72960 → cadaver: Enable readline support → https://git.io/JeaoX
<CMCDragonkai>
clever: given that `makeNetboot` is not part of the exposed interface
<CMCDragonkai>
clever: what do you suggest?
<CMCDragonkai>
clever: I want to use it while passing in my own module
<CMCDragonkai>
without having to override the rest of the netboot configuration
<clever>
CMCDragonkai: did you services.xserver.enable = true; ?
<CMCDragonkai>
apparently due to
<CMCDragonkai>
`error: The option `programs.ssh.setXAuthLocation' has conflicting definitions, in `/home/cmcdragonkai/Projects/formbay-ml-netboot/configuration.nix' and `/home/cmcdragonkai/Projects/formbay-ml-netboot/nixpkgs/nixos/modules/config/no-x-libs.nix'.`
<clever>
ah, one min
<CMCDragonkai>
solved it with `environment.noXlibs = false;`
<aanderse>
red: are you still using apache httpd on nixos?
<red[m]>
Yes I am
<clever>
red[m]: then nixos-rebuild should be using 19.09
<clever>
red[m]: note, that --add wont take effect until you --update
<aanderse>
red: thanks, will be cc'ing you on an upcoming PR then
<red[m]>
but when I run nixos-rebuild build-vm - as my user it seems to pick up the channel from root's profile not the unpriv user
<red[m]>
yah - I did the update, but thank you for the reminder. Please make no assumptions, I'm still pretty green in how this all hangs together
<clever>
red[m]: there is a nixpkgs= entry in $NIX_PATH, that points to the root channel on root
<clever>
red[m]: you can always use -I nixpkgs=whatever to override things
<red[m]>
(which is why I've been consuming the nixcon discovery track - esp grahamc 's talk which is what sent me down this rabbithole in the first place) ;-)
<red[m]>
ahhh
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[nix] @nh2 opened pull request #3208 → manual: Explain `nix-env -E` without `-f` → https://git.io/JeaKJ
<red[m]>
echo $NIX_PATH
<red[m]>
oops, sorry
<nh2[m]>
clever: infinisil ^
<clever>
nh2[m]: in the first block, you say -f is given, when it isnt
<clever>
nh2[m]: also, its not directly getting that magic set from nix-channel, but rather from ~/.nix-defexpr/ via some more complex rules
<clever>
basically, it will recursively search ~/.nix-defexpr/ until it either finds foo/default.nix or foo.nix, then import that, and store it at the foo key
<clever>
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 968 Dec 31 1969 /home/clever/.nix-defexpr/channels_root/nixos/default.nix
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[nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed to master « cargo-geiger: fix darwin build »: https://git.io/JeaKI
<nh2[m]>
clever: isn't `an attribute set containing the channel names from `nix-channel --list` is passed to the expression` still correct though, because `.nix-defexpr` is where the channels are stored?
<red[m]>
I guess I can do multiple -I args? like -I nixos-config=foo -I nixpkgs=/foo/bar/
<red[m]>
?
<nh2[m]>
Or should I improve the wording to be more accurate?
<clever>
nh2[m]: you could say it comes from the "default expressions" that are setup by nix-channel by default, and maybe have a new section explaining defexpr
<red[m]>
yeah - apparently that doesn't work for me either. I wonder what's going on that this is broken for me?
<clever>
red[m]: what is the exact command you used, and the full output from it?
<clever>
nh2[m]: oh, and ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix is the deprecated path
<clever>
nh2[m]: ~/.config/nixpkgs/config.nix is the new path
<red[m]>
there is no output in the window I call it for - it opens up a qemu windows and just continuously reboots the vm. It doesn't appear to even boot the kernel (but it's hard to tell because the reboot clears the screen immediately)
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<clever>
red[m]: can you pastebin your configuration.nix and say which rev of nixpkgs your on?
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<red[m]>
what's interesting about that is that I've been working on a PR that involves those packages and I can't see any reason why they would be included in this
<clever>
red[m]: your configuration.nix + rev caused an icu build, since that path isnt in the cache
<red[m]>
okay - let me nuke all references to icu et al
<clever>
switching to your fork confirms, its on the icu-issue-71142 branch
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to master « gom: test only on x86_64 »: https://git.io/JeaKn
<red[m]>
okay - I should have switched to whatever is now live in master. Waiting for it to finish building and I'll verify the version
<red[m]>
of course - if this broke it then I'm going to have to take a long, hard, look at what the PR I submitted does
<clever>
building '/nix/store/9d10vsw9ndgwl3d8md4zqx2kblz80s41-nix-2.3.1.drv' on 'ssh://builder@192.168.2.32'...
<clever>
red[m]: you even caused nix itself to rebuild! lol
<red[m]>
I guess I'm just special? :-D <3
<red[m]>
Thing is, the only reason I care about that bug is that it's blocking a package I actually DO need. I don't need it as a stand-alone package :-P
<DigitalKiwi>
aanderse: red[m] looks like a good candidate for my high brow list
<red[m]>
DigitalKiwi: what's a high-brow list?
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<red[m]>
Okay....
<red[m]>
[root@apophenia:~]# nixos-version
<red[m]>
20.03pre200231.7827d3f4497 (Markhor)
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<red[m]>
testing...
<o1lo01ol1o>
22902 store paths deleted, 533678.97 MiB freed
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<red[m]>
okay - time to rewind time - wish me luck - back in about a year :-/
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<evils>
is the combination of `dontWrapGApps = true;` and `preFixup = "wrapGApp ...";` supposed to work?
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<rotaerk>
hmm I have a USB stick that had a NixOS v16 image on it, and I successfully booted from it
<DigitalKiwi>
i don't like where this is going
<selfsymmetric-mu>
XD
<rotaerk>
but then I decided I wanted the latest, so I downloaded nixos-minimal-19.09.1019.c5aabb0d603-x86_64-linux.iso and ran: sudo dd if=nixos-minimal-19.09.1019.c5aabb0d603-x86_64-linux.iso of=/dev/sdd
<rotaerk>
tried booting from that but ... it just shows a blinking cursor in the top left
<rotaerk>
any idea why?
<rotaerk>
I may have originally formatted the USB drive from windows before; not sure. should I reformat it before doing dd?
<rotaerk>
the manual doesn't say anything like that
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<red[m]>
rotaerk: no - if you dd'd the image - you did in fact blow the entire contents away
<DigitalKiwi>
i always use `bs=4M` or 8M (possibly lowercase m) but other than make it go a lot faster it shouldn't change anything idk. make sure to `sync` or use the option to dd that makes it sync
<red[m]>
are you sure that USB booting is enabled?
<red[m]>
and is in the appropriate order?
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<clever>
red[m]: given that he booted an older nixos image from the same usb just before...
<rotaerk>
it *is* trying to boot from the USB
<rotaerk>
it's just that when it does, it just shows a blinking cursor.
<rotaerk>
when I booted from v16, I got a menu to choose to boot NixOS
<clever>
rotaerk: is the bios using legacy or efi?
<rotaerk>
UEFI; I could enable legacy though, I think
<rotaerk>
new laptop
<clever>
rotaerk: try booting from the usb in efi mode
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<rotaerk>
k, let's see...
<red[m]>
rotaerk: if you successfully booted from the v16 usb you can do that and then just upgrade ... NixOS isn't like some other distributions where upgrades are unpredictable.
<red[m]>
rotaerk: but I think we're all curious what your issue is though :::-)
<rotaerk>
when I start the system, and go to my boot options, I can pick from: USB Hard Drive(UEFI) (PNY USB 3.0 FD 1.00), OS Boot Manager(UEFI) (windows), USB CD/DVD ROM Drive(UEFI) (PNY USB 3.0 FD 1.00), Boot From EFI File
<clever>
rotaerk: if efi is failing, you could try forcing a legacy boot instead, you may need to turn on the CSM
<rotaerk>
I picked the last one, but then it has me pick a file ... I can pick one from my SSD, or from either partition of the USB stick
<rotaerk>
I chose <EFI>/<boot>/bootx64.efi
<rotaerk>
there's also a refind_x64.efi in there
<clever>
rotaerk: try both of them?
<rotaerk>
the bootx64 one gave me the same cursor problem. the refind one gives me a menu... let's see
<rotaerk>
ah k, the refind one worked. from that menu I picked something about a bzImage
<clever>
rotaerk: sounds like some weird edgecases with efi
<rotaerk>
... or not; it started to boot into linux, and then gave some mounting errors
<rotaerk>
mounting /dev/root on /mnt-root/iso failed: no such file or directory
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<clever>
rotaerk: try legacy mode then, it sounds like the efi menu is booting the kernel with the wrong flags
<rotaerk>
k
<rotaerk>
well that worked; I'm in a shell
<rotaerk>
now ... as I understand it, if legacy mode is enabled, I can't boot into Windows 10. I would like both nixos and windows on this thing, so ... hopefully that won't be a problem
<clever>
rotaerk: you can then either continue with a legacy install, or use boot.loader.grub.efiInstallAsRemovable=true; to do an efi install while booted into legacy
<DigitalKiwi>
plot twist: efi shell
<rotaerk>
ah cool
<clever>
rotaerk: efiInstallAsRemovable lets you do an efi install, preferably you should use a second ESP for nixos, then the bios should let you pick which ESP to boot (ideally)
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<rotaerk>
k, I'll try for that
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<rotaerk>
hmm yay, my network connection didn't come up, and wpa_supplicant isn't working
<rotaerk>
it's trying to open /dev/fd/63 for some reason, but that doesn't exist
<clever>
rotaerk: /proc/self is an alias to the pid of whichever process tries to read it
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<rotaerk>
ok
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<rotaerk>
would `wpa_supplicant -B -i interface -c <(wpa_passphrase 'SSID' 'key')` work with WPA2 or do I need to do additional work for that
<clever>
rotaerk: it should work
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<rotaerk>
ah, found something saying I shouldn't run that under sudo, because < doesn't work as expected with sudo
<rotaerk>
so running it under an actual root shell, I get the real error...
<clever>
rotaerk: oh, < should work with sudo, but <(...) wont
<rotaerk>
ah
<clever>
<(...) will create a pipe, and let sudo inherit that pipe
<clever>
but then sudo wont pass that pipe on to wpa_supplicant
<rotaerk>
I see
<rotaerk>
so the real error is: nl80211: Driver does not support authentication/association or connect commands
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<rotaerk>
hmm, `iw dev` output is empty...
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<clever>
rotaerk: then you dont have any wireless devices (or no drivers)
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<rotaerk>
the laptop definitely does, though I may have to load the driver module manually
<rotaerk>
problem is ... I have no idea how to determine which module that should be
<clever>
rotaerk: what does lspci say?
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<rotaerk>
I think the relevant one is: 6f:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 2723 (rev 1a)
<clever>
rotaerk: that looks like an ethernet card
<clever>
rotaerk: not entirely clear though
<clever>
rotaerk: with `lspci -vv`, does it show a `Kernel driver in use` ?
<rotaerk>
the laptop lacks an ethernet port
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<rotaerk>
with -vv, below that "Network controller" it says: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 9560 802.11 AC 2x2 WiFi + BT 5 Combo Adapter
<clever>
ah
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<rotaerk>
I do see at the bottom of the wall of text for each device, it has a "Kernel driver in use" line, but I don't see one for the network controller
<rotaerk>
well what do you know ... I didn't need legacy support for this ISO. also apparently I could've pulled that ISO from the official downloads page, if I'd only gone to the very bottom and clicked the "unstable releases" link
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[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed 24 commits to nixos-19.09-small: https://git.io/JeaX2
<bdju>
am I able to set user_allow_other as a fuse setting in my configuration.nix?
<bdju>
I searched and it sounds like it was being worked on. I'm on unstable, so hopefully I can use it if it's in
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<bdju>
nixos just hung. out of memory maybe but it was barely using the swap
<bdju>
I saw the clock was a couple minutes behind and decided it was never gonna unfreeze
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<rotaerk>
clever, got the wifi working. using that ISO fixed everything except one thing: I'd never used wpa_supplicant before and I didn't bother to actually understand the arguments, so I didn't realize I was supposed to put the acctual interface name after -i ... fixed that
<DigitalKiwi>
<3 clever
<{^_^}>
clever's karma got increased to 234
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<balsoft>
Hello! Can somebody explain to me how do xlibs even build? It appears that there is a dependency cycle (xorgproto -> libXt -> libSM -> libICE). It somehow works with regular nixpkgs, but not with pkgsStatic.
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<bdju>
I've enabled thermald and tlp now. not sure if I have to do further configuration
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<colemickens>
bdju: I recently added tlp config that switches cpu governors on AC/BAT change and things got a lot better.
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<colemickens>
I actually get performance/powersave now on AC/BAT, whereas before I was always on one or the other. Embarrasingly for quite a while I think :|
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<Miyu-saki>
I was just messing around with power management this week.
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<Ariakenom>
is there no option to disable hibernation? I was locking at "randomEncryption" for swap files which breaks hibernation.
<arianvp>
There you can configure sleep and hibernation
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<Ariakenom>
arianvp: does that interact nicely with plasma?
<Ariakenom>
I think no.
<bdju>
I notice my ethernet is repeatedly reconnectin. I can even see the text change between "activate" and "deactivate" in nmtui. how do I find out if it's a software or hardware problem?
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<colemickens>
Seems like when I try to use unstable on GCE, I get locked out on upgrades or after some time or something. (locked out = removed from sudoers, despite having the same IAM permission as always)
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<bdju>
it looks like my ethernet is stable after stopping the dhcpcd service, but I can't disable it because of read-only file system or something. on unstable
<bdju>
iirc networkmanager starts dhcpcd so I don't need it starting itself. looks like it was causing problems
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<hpfr[m]>
How can I assign a variable to a set but override an attribute of the set
<dminuoso>
hpfr[m]: What does "assign a variable to a set" even mean?
<hpfr[m]>
Whoops hah, assign a set to a variable
<hpfr[m]>
I.e. x = {a = 0; b = 1}; but override b somehow, as I’m referencing the set via a variable
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<arianvp>
Ariakenom: what does plasma have to do with suspend and hibernation?
<manveru>
> {a = 0; b = 1;} // {a = 2;}
<{^_^}>
{ a = 2; b = 1; }
<hpfr[m]>
Oh an operator thanks
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<arianvp>
Afaik systemd handles all power management on nixos
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<Ariakenom>
arianvp: I read "A different application may disable logind's handling of system power and sleep keys and the lid switch by taking a low-level inhibitor lock ("handle-power-key", "handle-suspend-key", "handle-hibernate-key", "handle-lid-switch"). This is most commonly used by graphical desktop environments to take over suspend and hibernation handling, and to use their own configuration mechanisms."
<ZoomZoomZoom>
I have an issue with automounting multidevice pool. As far as I understand, bcachefs needs the used partitions to be listed with the colon separator for the fstab. Unfortunately, it seems that NixOS passes the same string to the fsck, which needs all the partitions split by whitespace. Is it a bug, or I am doing something wrong?
<ZoomZoomZoom>
Please, don't answer "yeah, using bcachefs" :)
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<etu>
ZoomZoomZoom: Rather you than me ;) Tbh I'm quite interested in the bcachefs development and hope to use it in the future. But haven't tried it at all yet.
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<etu>
ZoomZoomZoom: But it's good that people test things!
<bahamas>
does anyone know a project that allows you to write terraform config files in nix? I remember seeing it somewhere, but I don't remember where or its name
<{^_^}>
[nix] @edolstra pushed to master « Disable the evalNixOS test »: https://git.io/Jeay3
<ZoomZoomZoom>
etu, I have a bunch of old hdds which aren't so much usable separately. I figured it would be nice to put them to good use and test bcachefs pool on some unimportant data.
<talqu>
hi, when i launch nixos there are 4 seconds time where i can choose previous versions. Is there a way to reduce it to 1 second let's say, so there is still time to move the arrow in case i'd like to select an older version?
<manveru>
talqu: you using grub?
<manveru>
either way, `boot.loader.timeout` should set it
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<talqu>
manveru: im using efi
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<kenran>
I'm using cabal2nix to create a nix expression for an older Haskell project. Now I can't build it because it seems like a runtime dependency of one package is missing. I'll check the newest version of that package on nixos/nixpkgs, and if it's still not there, is that considered a bug in that package's expression, or should I change anything on my part then?
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<dminuoso>
kenran: cabal2nix doesn't actually check with nixpkgs.
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<danbst>
^^^ RE story about firefox-esr v52: I had to get my money from my bank ASAP, but bank site uses Java-applet. So I had a special FF v52 installed with Java plugin. It turned out, that Glibc version on my system did change, and old installed firefox stopped working. Unfortunately I've already removed old NixOS generations with old glibc version. So I
<danbst>
ended up with segfaulting Firefox v52. I've tried to reinstall it again, but now Oracle JDK is paid so I couldn't download it. To make things worse, Firefox 52 is now required to be built from source
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<niso>
did someone manage to nicely integrate hydra with gerrit?
<__monty__>
Ok, so I'm trying to fix this wpa_supplicant issue: http://ix.io/2100 This is the part of my configuration.nix relevant to networking: http://ix.io/2108 And this is the service file from the nix store that causes the problem: http://ix.io/214k It's looping over all devices and somehow picking up my bond even though it shouldn't, afaict. Do I understand this correctly? And if so, how do I influence the
<balsoft>
Another static compilation question: is compiling glib statically possible with musl? After fixing cracklib, I get the following: https://0x0.st/zg06.txt
<manveru>
bdju: don't forget to re-login after the changes so the environment is set
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<evils>
isgy[m]: you should read the details, you made a syntax error in the maintainer-list.nix
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<bdju>
manveru: hm. I exited sway, logged out of the tty I was in, logged back in. still not working. I guess I'll reboot, and it that doesn't do it I'll try the other suggestion
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<bdju>
hm. even after adding the other parts it isn't working
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<manveru>
well, that's what i just tried and it works for me :)
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<bdju>
I believe the issue was the drive being ntfs! I noticed an errer in the console after rebooting with it left in. tried another drive and it works
<jgt>
Nix gives me a bunch of Haskell packages which are visible in ghc-pkg list. Many of these packages are transitive dependencies, and not packages I depend on directly. Is there a way to hide some of these transitive dependencies from ghc-pkg list?
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<inf>
quick question - a friend of mine is trying to install nixos on a machine with misconfigured RTC (year 2117 :)) - is there a way to force NTP synchronization with timesyncd in nixos installer?
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<inf>
Can't use timesyncctl set-time because ntp is enabled, and can't disable ntp because "Failed to set ntp: Changing system settings via systemd is not supported on NixOS."
<balsoft>
This is an attempt to build libusb statically
<wedens[m]>
inf: is `systemctl start systemd-timedated.service` available?
<balsoft>
s/libusb/libusb1/
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<exfalso>
Hi, I'm using nixops and would like to attach some metadata to each node, purely to be used by other nodes for config. Is there a standard place to put such data?
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<exfalso>
Or, rephrase, is there any place where we can put arbitrary data into the nixos configuration?
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @JohnAZoidberg opened pull request #72978 → twmn: Use QT's makeDerivation → https://git.io/JeaQ7
<qyliss>
exfalso: you can define your own options, if that helps?
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 6 commits to master: https://git.io/Jea7Z
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<balsoft>
wedens: WHEW, built it
<balsoft>
I can't explain how
<balsoft>
But it's built
<balsoft>
Onto the next error
<balsoft>
Thank you for the help
<balsoft>
wedens++
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wedens's karma got increased to 1
<Aleksejs>
hi, is there any package in nixos that allows to merge multiple pdf documents?
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<wedens[m]>
Aleksejs: pdfunite from poppler_utils
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<Aleksejs>
wedens[m]: I tried it: error: undefined variable 'poppler-utils'
<hyper_ch2>
or pdftk
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<hyper_ch2>
pdftk allows you to merge specific pages in different pdfs if you want
<Aleksejs>
hyper_ch2: I'll try it, thanks!
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<wedens[m]>
Aleksejs: it's poppler_utils. with underscore
<balsoft>
Now hidapi won't link... So close, only 4 packages remaining to fix.
<hyper_ch2>
Aleksejs: I used pdftk to create some helper tools with pdf management in kde :)
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<steevveen>
HI! Lately I read about the shell 'eshell' or 'EmacsShell' , as a shell replacement. Wanted to try it. I have searched Nixos Packages page, but was unsuccessful to find a package for it.
<steevveen>
Is anyone of you using Eshell , and knowing if there an existing package for Eshell ?
<wedens[m]>
it's built in emacs
<steevveen>
that means I can only use it inside emacs ?
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<wedens[m]>
it's not your regular shell like fish or zsh
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<iclanzan>
Can anyone help me figure out why a remote builder is not being used? Things I have done: enabled `nix.distributedBuilds` and set up `nix.buildMachines` in `configuration.nix`, checked that `ping-store` works for the remote store from both regular user and root, tried nixos-rebuild both with and without `--builders` flag but it always gives the error: "either increase --max-jobs or enable remote builds"
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @Ma27 to nixpkgs-19.09-darwin « python3Packages.todoist: 7.0.17 -> 8.1.1 »: https://git.io/JeaSy
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #72979 → More gnome installed test cleanup → https://git.io/Jea7O
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 14 commits to master: https://git.io/Jea5T
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<Shoubit>
pie_, that's true
<pie_>
oh thats a helpful gist, i forgot about it
<pie_>
do we have a "list of helpful gists" somewhere >_>
<symphorien>
if you find it helpful, maybe move it the wiki
<pie_>
my mind is elsewhere
<pie_>
but thats an idea
<pie_>
,help
<{^_^}>
Use `,` to list all commands, `,foo = Foo!` to define foo as "Foo!", `,foo =` to undefine it, `,foo` to output "Foo!", `,foo somebody` to send "Foo!" to the nick somebody
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @Ma27 to nixos-19.09-small « python3Packages.todoist: 7.0.17 -> 8.1.1 »: https://git.io/JeaSy
<jamii>
Hi, I have a file generated by crate2nix which causes a stack overflow when built. How do I debug this? `--show-trace` doesn't seem to have any effect.
<cwiggs>
I think I'm not understanding the -attr(-A) flag.
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<balsoft>
Hmm, I'm stuck on the next lib after libusb... It's hidapi. For some reason the linker decided to use the .so and therefore fail with "attempted static link of dynamic object". The .a for libusb is in the same folder as .so, and the linker selects all the other libs correctly.
<red[m]>
I'm just finishing watching the nix-officehours from last week and as much as I'd like to help, I need at least another year of baking in this environment :-)
<red[m]>
... but it is something I would like to look at helping with in the future.
<balsoft>
cwiggs: Probably because the name is different from attr name?
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<balsoft>
Yep, the name is ShellCheck
<balsoft>
Try `nix-env -qaP ShellCheck`
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<balsoft>
(But I hate nix-env and advise you use home-manager-as-a-module and environment.systemPackages instead if you're on nixos, and standalone home-manager otherwise)
<cwiggs>
balsoft, ahhh that does work, thank you. Didn't know it was case sensative
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<cwiggs>
I'm just using nixos as a package manager on MacOS
<cwiggs>
I'll check out home-manager
<cwiggs>
I'm writing a bash script to install all the pkgs I need for my mac, replacing homebrew.
<artfunpot>
Need help! when i tried to go into nix-shell, i am getting this error.
<artfunpot>
```getting attributes of path '/home/phoenix/.nix-defexpr/channels/nixpkgs/nixos/doc/manual/options-to-docbook.xsl': No such file or directory```
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @vbgl pushed to master « ocamlPackages.lwt3: remove at 3.3.0 »: https://git.io/JeaFH
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<balsoft>
cwiggs: if you choose to stick with `nix-env` (which I again do not recommend), then yes, use attr names.
<cwiggs>
Understood, thanks.
<cwiggs>
I checked out home-manager a little bit
<balsoft>
Can someone perhaps help me with my static linking shenanigans?
<balsoft>
Sorry for sending the message again, but: For some reason the linker decided to use the .so and therefore fail with "attempted static link of dynamic object". The .a for libusb is in the same folder as .so, and the linker selects all the other libs correctly.
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<NfixEstrada[m]>
Hello! I'm trying to build a Go derivation, but it fails with the following error: ` verifying github.com/flynn/go-shlex@v0.0.0-20150515145356-3f9db97f8568: github.com/flynn/go-shlex@v0.0.0-20150515145356-3f9db97f8568: Get https://sum.golang.org/lookup/github.com/flynn/go-shlex@v0.0.0-20150515145356-3f9db97f8568: dial tcp: lookup sum.golang.org on [::1]:53: read udp [::1]:35055->[::1]:53: read: connection refused
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<andi->
,locate clippy
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: lumina, rustup, duplicati, nextcloud, vimPlugins.neomake
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<notme>
,locate irc
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: bro, msf, gajim, irssi, tcllib, factor-lang
<notme>
cool
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<red[m]>
ah ah! so balsoft - would it be a gross oversimplification to describe home-manager as systemPackages but for users?
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<balsoft>
More like the whole `environment` attrset, but for users
<red[m]>
very cool - thanks
<balsoft>
Well, more like the whole nixos configuration for users :)
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<red[m]>
ugh, I have a pathalogical and perfectly rational hatred of dbus
* red[m]
cries
<red[m]>
bbiab
<Mic92>
What was the meta attribute for known security bugs again?
<balsoft>
What's your reasons for this hate?
<andi->
knownVulnerabilities
<Mic92>
andi-: thanks!
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<dsx>
Is it me or nvidia drivers are broken in 19.09?
<red[m]>
mainly that I'm not a fan of massive integration of independent systems. I personally value isolation.
<red[m]>
my objection is mainly server-side
<notme>
I'm using the nvidia drivers on 19.09 right now. But it's on a old 970m
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<red[m]>
I still don't see the point of a lot of the more recent userspace tooling to be honest with you. I've yet to see a compelling reason to have all these additional dependancies
<red[m]>
maybe if I saw some value in it I might be less crotchety about it
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from @Twey to master « glfw: 3.2.1 -> 3.3 »: https://git.io/Jeab2
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #72947 → Boot test port fix → https://git.io/JeaV1
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/Jeabr
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<notme>
red[m]: "the more recent userspace tooling" like what?
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<evanjs>
So if we have a python package that explicitly includes asyncio in the requirements.txt, how do we typically get around that in a nix expression?
<deni>
migrating one of my haskell projects to nix. I've used cabal2nix for all the overries I need but I'm getting an error message saying: "Package ‘HaskellNet-SSL-0.3.4.1’ in /nix/store...../....nixpkgs-19.09.... is marked as broken, refusing to evaluate"
<evanjs>
Assuming I'm already limiting it to python3.4+
<deni>
it's telling me to add `allowBroken = true;` to ~/.config/nixpkgs/config.nix and I did...but it doesn't seem to be having any effect
<exarkun>
evanjs: What do you mean "get around that"?
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<evanjs>
exarkun: like how do I get around this? `Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement asyncio (from sclack==1.0) (from versions: none)`
<exarkun>
evanjs: Add asyncio as a buildInput?
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @lattfein to nixos-19.09-small « appimageTools: add at-spi2-core to multiPkgs »: https://git.io/Jeadw
<exarkun>
evanjs: Did you read the section of the manual about packaging Python software?
<red[m]>
the list of dependancies just makes me very nervous. I like my UNIXes much more cut down I guess
<exarkun>
evanjs: Patch it out of requirements.txt? requirements.txt doesn't really matter though, it's just a convention.
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<notme>
red[m]: I see, I guess nix is one step in the right direction since every dependencies are explicit?
<evanjs>
Yeah that's what I was trying, though I wonder if setup.py is where it really needs to be removed from. I'll try that one,too
<red[m]>
I miss being able to recognize and identify all the processes running on my machine. It makes me nervous
<evanjs>
(it's in install_requires)
<exarkun>
evanjs: It should probably be a conditional dependency there, file a bug w/ upstream
<red[m]>
notme: pretty much - even thought NixOS has embraced it to a certain extent, at least in theory it's supposedly controllable
<notme>
babysteps
<red[m]>
but dbus as an attack surface is nerve-racking
<red[m]>
I will confess, I saw the call for people to move NixOS to networkd and it does scare me
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<red[m]>
Why do I need a running daemon for that when my server just has to set it once and forget about it?
<red[m]>
(A very different model to a desktop / laptop I fully conceed)
<red[m]>
just seems like adding a lot of unneeded complexity for the server use-case.
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<red[m]>
but like I said - I don't know that much about that subject in particular - so I may be missing something
<red[m]>
(which is why I've been looking for the lightning talk on it on the nixcon channel... but I keep getting distracted by other quality talks) :-P
<evanjs>
exarkun: yeah good point. Especially since the project is 3.4+ only... wait then why... yeah definitely needs a bug haha
<red[m]>
(oh, and I won't lie - I hate journald with the firery passions of hell and at some point I'm going to find a way to turn the whole thing off and revert back to syslog)
<notme>
I agree on that one... logs should be as simple as possible
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<notme>
for the rest of systemd and family, I don't have much opinion
<cwiggs>
anyone know how I can get a nix-shell of bash_5?
<__red__>
I wonder if we could get buy-in for an s/journald/syslog/ option in NixOS?
<cwiggs>
`nix-shell -p bash_5` seems to use just the `bash` pkg which is bash v4
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<__red__>
notme: I just want my textfiles back.
<deni>
nevermind figured it out...I just skipped the check step for now to get it moving. If it's actually broken I'll override the package locally by fetching whatever version from hackage with cabal2nix
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<red[m]>
"That being said, jouirnald is a non-optional part of systemd, there is no stable API defined between journald and the rest of systemd, they claim that they need to do this so that they can change it at will."
<red[m]>
This is the kind of thing that infuriates me
<red[m]>
but I realize that I'm on a lonely island in that PoV
<adisbladis>
n/bu84
<ashkitten>
red[m]: that's a topic for #nixos-chat, but i'm sure you'll find people who agree
<red[m]>
I did not know there was a #nixos-chat - is that for just general conversations as opposed to support stuff?
<ashkitten>
correct
<red[m]>
I should join - thankee
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<notme>
__red__: "no stable api"..... No my favorite words for something that's in production :P
<notme>
Oh, I didn't know either. I was just trying out IRC in general, lol
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<red[m]>
coolio - right now I'm trying to connect to it via matrix but it looks like the channel isn't available that way... hmm
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @nh2 merged pull request #72870 → Add RNNoise, use it in Mumble → https://git.io/Jeaqb
<notme>
kuznero: You can also use shell script to find the location of the executable in the store: readlink -f $(which QScintilla)
<notme>
from there I guess you can use nix-store to find where it came from
<notme>
look at nix-store's manual
<kuznero>
‘qscintilla-qt4-2.11.2’ is not a binary, so, `which` will not be able to locate it. As I understand (not sure though) it is a python library
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<notme>
ok, I see
<notme>
kuznero: maybe try ls ~/.nix-profile/lib | grep qsci
<notme>
if it's there, you can use follow the symlink (readlink -f)
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @alyssais opened pull request #72991 → squashfs-tools-ng: init at 0.7 → https://git.io/JeaAc
<kuznero>
it is not there, but in the /nix/store (from the older version I guess). Question here is really which other package provoke QScintilla to be installed.
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<notme>
yes, for that you can use nix-store
<qyliss>
Anyone used Nixpkgs to build a kernel with MODULES disabled?
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<kuznero>
more general question then - how to see the tree of dependencies for a specific package (upstream and downstream dependencies)?
<samueldr>
qyliss: kind of, but not really... the kernel builder from mobile-nixos builds with kernel disabled, it uses the manual builder from nixpkgs under the hood
<samueldr>
but might be too much customized for being of use to you?
<qyliss>
That sounds like it might be what I want.
<otwieracz>
I am able to build sqlite manually (nix-env -i sqlite) but not as a part of system..
<otwieracz>
OK, but `dqlite` is actually failing
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[nixpkgs] @elohmeier opened pull request #72996 → nixos/containers: fix handling of cfg.additionalCapabilities → https://git.io/JeaxW
<red[m]>
Quick Question. The last attempted build I see for staging on hydra.nixos.org was 2019-10-23.
<red[m]>
so - I guess my question is, did it move anywhere? Where is it being tested now?
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<srhb>
red[m]: I don't think it's on a schedule currently, so presumably no one activated it :)
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[nixpkgs] @otwieracz opened pull request #72997 → Remove sqlite patch from sqlite-replication as it's incompatible → https://git.io/Jeax2
<red[m]>
srhb: Then I guess my next question is - if it's not being used, where is staging being tested before packages get moved to master?
<otwieracz>
lordcirth_: I've created pull request addressing that issue
<srhb>
red[m]: staging is usually about rather big changes, it's not continuous. It's likely to get run before a merge to master. But I think staging-small is still running :)
<lordcirth_>
otwieracz, great
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<red[m]>
srhb: I guess - I just don't even see a manual kickoff either
<red[m]>
I have a PR in that branch so I'm curious as to how it propagates
<red[m]>
(and my new package I need in my production environment is dependent on that bugfix first)
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<pie_>
man how many gigs of space does virtualbox need to build, ugh
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[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed 292 commits to nixos-unstable-small: https://git.io/JeaxD
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[nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed 2 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/Jeahe
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[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @vcunat to nixpkgs-19.03-darwin « expat: fetch the patch from "my private mirror" »: https://git.io/JeapI
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<run500>
im trying to set up hydra on a non-local postgres server. where do i put the postgres password? i get an error from hydra-init saying that no password is supplied
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[nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed 4 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/JeahP
<inkbottle>
infinisil: you mean with nix-shell?
<infinisil>
Yea
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<inkbottle>
I'm trying every possible "things" and variations on the net to install bs-platform (reason to js compiler); because so far none of them did succeed...
<inkbottle>
Actually there is only one tuto
<inkbottle>
but doesn't seems to work
<inkbottle>
the question has been asked twice in 2018 here
<inkbottle>
but w/o solution so far
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed to master « appeditor: fix build with vala 0.46 »: https://git.io/JeahA
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[nixpkgs] @matthewbauer pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JeVey
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<Bryophyllum>
Hello! I have a question: I'm on the default 19.08 stable, and having a large chunk of all my "packages" re-downloaded and even built at the switch upgrade; is there a reason for which everything received an update? I'm sorry if it's not a right place to ask this question.
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[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @vcunat to nixos-19.09-small « expat: fetch the patch from "my private mirror" »: https://git.io/JeapJ
<waleee-cl>
Bryophyllum: do you have overrides or use overlays in your configuration.nix ?
<Bryophyllum>
Are altered default options, set to a value other the the default one (like disabling polkit, which is enabled by default) considered overrides?
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<clever>
Bryophyllum: what does `nix-channel --list` report as root?
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[nixpkgs] @Ericson2314 pushed 2 commits to bash-no-undef-vars: https://git.io/JeVve
<clever>
Bryophyllum: and what is the path to something it started building?
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<Bryophyllum>
It's on a VM, the upgrade was performed on a TTY. I'm gonna delete the newly generated generation, if I can, delete bits of my configuration.nix, and perform it again to see if that's it.
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<Bryophyllum>
I mean, I can't see what was the path to a package it was building
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[nixpkgs] @c0bw3b pushed commit from @rnhmjoj to release-19.09 « antimony: 2018-10-20 -> 2019-10-30 »: https://git.io/JeVvL
<inkbottle>
The following bash script has succeeded to install bs-platform with me; I'd like to know if its plain luck before trying to turn it into a derivation. Can you please try it. https://paste.debian.net/1115157/
<inkbottle>
It's supposedly harmless
<Bryophyllum>
clever: I booted into a new generation, the `nix eval nixpkgs.lib.version` has remained the same. I'll look into my .nix files, and figure out what's wrong.
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[nixpkgs] @nixos-channel-bot pushed commit from @vcunat to nixos-19.03-small « expat: fetch the patch from "my private mirror" »: https://git.io/JeapI
<clever>
Bryophyllum: if you want the version for the currently running nixos, you want nixos-version instead
<LnL>
extend pkgs with a ccustom firefox instead overriding the default name so you can reference both
<leo___>
Got it.
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[nixpkgs] @d-goldin opened pull request #73008 → sqlite: fixing cve patch name → https://git.io/JeVv8
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<leo___>
And do you know how the infinite recursion came to be?
<clever>
not sure
<leo___>
:s
<clever>
would need to see the --show-trace
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clever++
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clever's karma got increased to 235
<leo___>
LnL++
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LnL's karma got increased to 13
<leo___>
Thanks!
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<karetsu>
so I think I'm still having some accountsservice issues - I cannot unlock any of the admin panels with a wheel user in gnome-control-center with the following output: https://gist.github.com/karetsu/e4acb4e7e159943303f47dea6f5c9a75 what have I done wrong now :'(
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<leo___>
clever: If you have interest I can post the trace. heh
<leo___>
I'm investigating it myself, but no brainz.
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[nixpkgs] @lopsided98 closed pull request #67808 → pythonPackages.grpcio-tools: fix undefined symbol error on armv6l → https://git.io/fjxhX