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<CMCDragonkai>
so `config` is the current configuration, `config.system` is the `system` options of the current configuration, what is `config.system.build`? what is this intended for? Seems like all sorts of configuration puts stuff into here, but what actually deals with the stuff in `config.system.build`? For example why is `isoImage` put into `config.system.build`? What about `config.system.build.initialRamdisk` and `toplevel`
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<kirelagin>
These are essentially all the resulting build products, they all are derivations that you can build and get something useful, e.g. `initiralRamdisk` gives you the initramfs image, and `toplevel` gives you... I don’t quite remember, but, probably, everything.
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<kirelagin>
Right, so when you do `nixos-release build` it actually runs `nix-build <nixpkgs/nixos> -A system` and if you look into `nixos/default.nix`, you’ll find that `system = eval.config.system.build.toplevel;`
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<jdill>
Hi all, just a quick question. I can't seem to install the manpages related to `pthread_cond_*' on NixOS 19.09. I have `manpages' and `posix_man_pages' listed in my `environment.systemPackages', and have the options `documentation = { dev.enable = true; doc.enable = true; };' set. I also tried updating mandb manually to no avail. Any ideas?
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<inkbottle>
On my NixOS X1, wifi is presently as slow as almost no internet connection; I would go for a bug in the driver; anyway what is the correct way to restart the service?
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<inkbottle>
On x230 debian sitting next to it, wifi is ok; so not an issue with the provider
<clever>
inkbottle: intel card?
<inkbottle>
yes, most probably
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<clever>
inkbottle: double-check lspci
<inkbottle>
(however wifi might be lagging on the other machine too; so issue with the provider cannot be completely dismissed)
<clever>
inkbottle: my wifi has been crap since i last did an update
<inkbottle>
how do you do an update? (I'm following 19.03, I think)
<inkbottle>
did you update for something newer?
<clever>
inkbottle: nix-channel --update
<clever>
i happen to be on nixos-unstable
<clever>
`nix-channel --list` will show which channel your currently on
<inkbottle>
OK, now probably not the best time since I don't have connection (almost)
<inkbottle>
I don't have lspci either
<inkbottle>
pciutils...
<inkbottle>
nix-shell -p pciutils --run lspci # I try that since I've go so little bandwidth
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<clever>
buckley310: that creates a wan and iptv interface, based on a vlan from WANMASTER
<kolbycrouch>
anyone know how I can add configureFlags only for specific platform ( Linux )?
<clever>
kolbycrouch: use an if statement that checks stdenv.system
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<kolbycrouch>
clever: thanks!
<buckley310>
clever, ahh, ok, so networking.interfaces.* should be the vlan name only, not vlan@interface looks like. tyvm :)
<clever>
buckley310: i think both work, but i havent figured out how to do the `foo@bar` version
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<mwelt>
hi @all. Short question. Want to install openjdk with attributes headless=true and enableGnome=false. Providing nix-env -i --arg headless true --arg enableGnome=false openjdk, won't yield expected results.
<mwelt>
err enableGnome false (no = inbetween)
<clever>
mwelt: you need to use .override in a config.nix, not --arg
<mwelt>
clever:these are actually parameters in the openjdk derivation. and as far as I understood `man nix-env` on --arg, it'll override / set arguments...
<mwelt>
I do not know what 'use .override in a config.nix' mean / implies.
<clever>
mwelt: --arg will set args to <nixpkgs>, not openjdk
<clever>
mwelt: read the nixpkgs manual, the section on package overrides
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<mwelt>
is there a way to provide this config.nix directly to nix-env (e.g. as an additional parameter to a config file)?
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<mwelt>
a docker image from official nixos/nix with openjdk installed is about 3GB in size...thats ridiculous...
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<johnny101m>
inkbottle: on 19.09 with 4.19 kernel, the Intel iwlwifi driver gives my p71 kernel panic on boot. no issue on 5.3 kernel though.
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<inkbottle>
clever: it happens that plasma network-manager disconnect/reconnect has been enough to give me back a correct connection. "What do you know?!" (I didn't wanted to reboot because I've got several nix-shell environments opened)
<inkbottle>
johnny101m: kernel panic not good
<inkbottle>
is that the stable channel?
<johnny101m>
inkbottle: yes, stable channel with latest kernel option in nixos config.
<kolbycrouch>
mwelt: you could maybe import it into /etc/nixos/configuration.nix?
<inkbottle>
clever: (I still have to figure out how to have reason-maze working; I have been able to test bs-platform though)
<inkbottle>
johnny101m: any idea why the kernel panic?
<mwelt>
kolbycrouch:thx for your suggestion but I moved to the official openjdk docker image. I think nix is too much of an effort here, despite i love nix for my haskell projects :)
<inkbottle>
johnny101m: hum, you got me confused: 19.09 channel w. 4.19 kernel... But proper kernel for 19.09 must be 5.3. Correct?
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<johnny101m>
inkbottle: to clarify, default kernel on stable channel is 4.19. I'm using the latest kernel option available in the stable branch to fix my driver issue that happens with 4.19
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<inkbottle>
johnny101m: OK, I understand, thanks
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<inkbottle>
johnny101m: how do you find out what kernel goes with 19.09? I searched the web but I didn't find.
<notgne2>
I don't know what happened, but somehow despite having 2 machines with identical configs and assumedly identical hardware, one ended up with an ipv6 address on eth1, so I turned that off and stuff started working
<notgne2>
s/2/4/ s/one/two/
<notgne2>
wait no, one of the working machines had different hardware, either way, its working now somehow
<dminuoso>
gchristensen: No idea. Ive always wondered about that too, at times I wondered whether its perhaps a documentation bug and it should read "imports"
<dminuoso>
gchristensen: Its possible that this is indeed someone with muscle memory who wrote that documentation after writing a systemd service?
<kaliumxyz>
if you add require = [ paths...]; to a module you will merge the listed paths into the module.
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: And that works?
<kaliumxyz>
Yes.
<gchristensen>
yeah but you can just use `imports` for that, too
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: That's strange. Looking at the implementation it shouldn't.
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: Ohh! require in singular!
<dminuoso>
Indeed.
<dminuoso>
imports = m.require or [] ++ m.imports or [];
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<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: Looking at the implementations `require` is an alternative to `imports` if you use the config and option-less modules.
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<dminuoso>
(Which seems rather arbitrary...)
<edef>
i'm guessing it's legacy
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<kaliumxyz>
Seems like it might be wise to avoid using it if its just an alias.
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: Its not quite an alias.
<positronicbrain>
q
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<tetdim>
Ericson2314, the linking broke because of the library regressions like i said :)
<tetdim>
you said it didnt matt4er
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<kaliumxyz>
dminuoso there seems to be zero benifit from using the "short-hand" of `require` over using `imports`, or am I reading the implementation wrong?
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<Nazral>
Hi
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: I have one benefit of `imports` - it works whether you have config/options or not.
<dminuoso>
kaliumxyz: So it gives you consistency. The documentation should probably updated to reflect this.
<hpfr>
The intent is to get a bunch of subdirectories of /home/lh/.local/bin and concatenate them with a :, but builtins.concatStringsSep changes the paths to nix store paths somehow
<hpfr>
up to the map function works great, I get a list of absolute paths of the subdirs
<hpfr>
but the concatStringsSep does this weird thing were it returns concatenated paths, but they're somehow to the nix store
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<wedens[m]>
use `toString` on path
<hpfr>
I guess it's just part of that function? it still works for my purposes I guess
<wedens[m]>
when you do "${./x}", `x` will end up in the nix store
<hlavaty>
i am trying to package an app built with cmake but it is trying to create a bundle and fails with "file RPATH_REMOVE could not remove RPATH from file", /nix/store/581d99nz2f59mj439464jla4z281imbl-ausweisapp2-1.18.2/bin/libgcc_s.so.1 Error opening file for update.
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<hlavaty>
what is the usual way to package such app? disable cmake bundle? how?
<pi3r>
When I do nix-shell release.nix -A cicd-shell.env, I will be in a shell where I can do "cabal build" and everything just work as expected. I don't know how to get this with the use of mkShell in a shell.nix file.
<pi3r>
I have tried using ' (import ./release.nix {inherit nixpkgs;}).cicd-shell.env.nativeBuildInputs' inside buildInputs but not luck.
<Ariakenom>
when would I want a environment.etc.<name?> that's different from ...<name?>.target ?
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<kaliumxyz>
can I use `imports` with arguments?
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<symphorien>
Ariakenom: when name contains strange characters which are not allowed as the name of a nix drv iirc
<infinisil>
kaliumxyz: It depends, what are you thinking of?
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<kaliumxyz>
I want to add some boilerplate stuff to a ./lib/{boilerplate}.nix instead of having half a dozen copies of it, sadly its for nixops machine definitions so its not just sets but functions.
<kaliumxyz>
I can't merge functions using `//` afaik.
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[nixpkgs] @dywedir merged pull request #72169 → aerc: Fix store references in default config → https://git.io/JeuWX
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<elgoosy>
hi, i've booted usb with nixos usb. before partition the disk, how do i know if my computer uses Legacy Boot or UEFI?
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<srhb>
elgoosy: Check if /sys/firmware/efi has contents. If it does, you're booted in EFI
<dminuoso>
Haha fun fact. In our version of VMware, you have to select "Ubuntu" for the VM type in order to have "UEFI" as boot type available.. if you pick Generic Linux instead, you just get legacy boot...
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<aanderse>
dminuoso: yay a fellow vmware user!
<brightone>
Hi everyone! I wanted to get an aarch64 image of NixOS from Hydra (https://hydra.nixos.org/build/105247403), but there's no "build outputs" anywhere. Can somebody guide me in the right direction? Thanks
<elgoosy>
also once nixos finishes installing, how can immediately set the user password, without having to reboot, then log in with root in graphical interface and do password my-user there?
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<red[m]>
Elgoosy: it will prompt you for your root password
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<red[m]>
But if you mean an unprivileged user, you can always add it to your configuration
<elgoosy>
i've added it
<elgoosy>
but didn't see the way to set password in the configuration.nix
<elgoosy>
i also do passwd my-user
<red[m]>
But if you’ve built it always, you skype be able to chroot in and set it
<exarkun>
Argh. morph wants to download and build everything implied by a configuration for some remote host even if the remote host is already up to date. :/
<gchristensen>
ah, nixops style
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<ivan>
exarkun: if you don't patch morph it downloads sources that it doesn't need
<exarkun>
I have noticed that too, yea :/
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<wedens[m]>
exarkun: thanks for preventing me from trying morph and being disappointed :D
* exarkun
looks for ivan's PR
<ivan>
exarkun: if you have your own nixpkgs I have a nixpkgs commit for you
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<ivan>
otherwise see delroth's overlay stuff
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<exarkun>
well, most likely I will solve this problem by switching all of my management to be done from some extremely fast, well-connected server somewhere outside of my house. :/
<exarkun>
cheaper to rent a server than deal with even the smallest quantity of additional software complexity
<wedens[m]>
exarkun: wait, have you tried `substituteOnDestination` option in morph?
<ivan>
exarkun: I have a gigabit hetzner and morph is still a terrible experience
<elgoosy>
i still didnt config the network in my configuration.nix and now i enable wireless.enable = true, then nixos-rebuild switch and get "warning unable to download ....retruing in 338ms"
<elgoosy>
this modification in configuration doesnt require any download
<elgoosy>
why then i cant do it?
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<ivan>
exarkun: if you think about it, what morph does can't actually work at scale, servers need to autonomously update to some desired nixpkgs version set on a master
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<ivan>
"puppet was right"
<exarkun>
ivan: well, can't work at infinite scale
<exarkun>
ivan: but there might be some utility between 0 computers and infinity computers
<ivan>
yeah just make sure all your computers are up when you update nixos
<exarkun>
I guess I am putting some blind faith into the idea that by the time I have enough computers to run into problems someone will have finally built _the_*good* nixos management tool
<exarkun>
and I will be able to transparently switch to it
<tyrion1>
Hello i just installed LyX, but there are no layout classes available ... is this supposed to be like this? I have no idea how to install them.
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<elgoosy>
how do i check if nvidia graphics are used properly. in arch there is glxinfo | grep NVIDIA
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<pie_>
how do i get /nix/store/w2nvl9syzvx3xhb7kan78p0f9bkmkgyf-cups-progs/ from the cache?
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<pie_>
oh duh, --realise
<pie_>
i can never remember the flag
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<elgoosy>
gnome-software throws: getUpdates not supported by backed
<elgoosy>
is there any other way to install add ons?
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<evanjs>
wedens[m]: Sweet that seems to -- mostly work. Can't find some stuff in the path. Wonder if it has to do with me using environment.systemPackages (had some collissions in home.packages)
<wedens[m]>
what kind of addons?
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<wedens[m]>
evanjs: unlikely
<elgoosy>
wedens[m]: tray icon, custom top bar, etc..
<evanjs>
Ah gotcha. Still kinda dumb that cargo-update had a conflict. How do we address conflicts, typically? Are they ever reported? For generic names, at least
<inkbottle>
I have github code that needs some other github code, both to build and to execute; I want to do that in a single nix-script; I'm looking for examples, tutorials
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<inkbottle>
Or even keywords about that
<wedens[m]>
elgoosy: add `gnomeExtensions.topicons-plus` or something to ` environment.systemPackages`.
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<deni>
hi there...I'm trying to install kodi, and I found a service module in nixpkgs that enables it (and install it) if I set `services.xserver.desktopManager.kodi.enable = true`. However when I apply this change and reboot there's not X launched
<deni>
another issue I'm having is that I don't quite get how to configure the kodi package with various options that pkgs.kodi provides....case the service does not export it
<clever>
deni: its a desktop manager, so you still need services.xserver.enable
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<deni>
clever: oh right.... that makes sense.... the option I'm using just sets the one to be booted but the option you mention actually enables it. Got it.
<clever>
deni: at the login screen, you will have a menu to choose between all enabled desktop managers, xfce, kde, gnome, kodi
<deni>
clever: is there a way to have that autologin and just start the kodi interface?
<dminuoso>
(to illustrate the difference between alsa and pulseaudio)
<tetdim>
Ericson2314, you around?
<clever>
dminuoso: bluetooth is absent from that graph
<deni>
clever: ew alsa :D
<clever>
deni: behind the scenes, pulse still needs to use alsa :P
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<deni>
clever: no I know I'm just joking. Btw you can set up default.pa in such a way that it auto swtiches to the new sink (the usb wifi dongle) but you probably already knew that
<clever>
deni: but i may not have mixing support, and i cant override the choice without unplugging things
<deni>
dminuoso: LOL...yeah there's no avoiding pulse audio.... I quite like it though....remember the days when it didn't exists and things were much worse IMO
<deni>
clever: gotcha
<clever>
deni: the machine also has 2 devices onboard, hdmi and a proper sound card, which would it default to?
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<deni>
clever: good point
<Ericson2314>
tetdim only on phone, need to vote
<dminuoso>
deni: Not quite true. Alsa also brings its own sound server that you could use
<deni>
ok got the kodi interface loaded on boot nice. the interface seems to go beyond the edges of the screen but perhaps that's just a matter of tweaking some config so it knows the resolution and similar
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<Ericson2314>
But what's up?
<dminuoso>
clever: bluetooth is actually irrelevant to the architectural diagram, because its just a plugin for pulseaudio :)
<deni>
dminuoso: sure I know. It's just that everything in intertwined with pulseaudio now-a-days that it's just simpler to have it there and stuff just works (tm)
<clever>
dminuoso: 70% of the things in that diagram are plugins! :P
<dminuoso>
clever: Heh
<deni>
clever: the other question I had was that pkgs.kodi has all these settings that I can override... it's they're also mentioned in the all-packages.nix file.... how would I go about overriding that? My idea was that the service would expose those...since it already adds kodi to systemPackages
<deni>
I guess I could add it to systemPackages with those tweaks and my entry would win during the merge?
<clever>
deni: make an overlay that changes them with .override
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<clever>
deni: similar to how my config is changing other things with .overrideAttrs
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<deni>
clever: hmmm...does that mean that I would be changing the service and modifying what it puts in systemPackages?
<deni>
or are you talking about something else?
<clever>
deni: if you use an overlay, it will mutate the value of pkgs.kodi, and the service will just obey automatically
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<deni>
clever: I see thanks... I'll have to go read a bit about overlays.
<deni>
clever: an interesting thing just happened though... I think the screen went to sleep...it's either that or something wrong with the cable. Anything like that happened to you?
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<deni>
hmm nope.....it's something else...unplugging the cable and plugging it back in brings back the screen
<deni>
clever: hmmm... I'm unclear about the namespaces here.... my configuration.nix is a function that takes config and pkgs so would that mean I need to set pkgs.config.kodi.foo? or is nixpkgs some different namespace?
<clever>
deni: there is a nixos option at nixpkgs.config, which sets the config for pkgs
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<deni>
oh I see....that's super handy...thanks clever
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<deni>
I feel like it's all super simple but there's a ton of these knobs and settings and it's not easy to discover all of them
<clever>
deni: nixpkgs.config in nixos, is identical to just editing ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix
<deni>
clever: I was confused by that for a minute cause I remembered that I had to edit that on my Debian machine to allow unfree programs
<evanjs>
trying to rebuild off nixos-unstable when ntfy fails to build with `AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'test_pushjet'` does this sound issue-worthy?
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<hyperfekt>
I've got a fetchurl pulling from Github and it's downloading with kilobytes per second instead of megabytes. Anyone got an idea what could be going on?
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<hyperfekt>
Same goes for curl I guess. But using the browser is quick as ever.
<eraserhd>
I want to package a Clojure app. It seems like the way to do this (and Java apps), is to specify all the jar dependencies in the derivation. Is there some mechanism for registering those jars so that leiningen (a build tool like maven) will find them?
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[nixpkgs] @veprbl pushed commit from @deadloko to master « qtcreator 4.9.1 -> 4.10.0 (#70573) »: https://git.io/Jeaey
<emily>
I see that the NixOS fish module has fancy stuff to import foreign environment configs, but I'm afraid it doesn't work for me; when I set my user's shell to fish, all the stuff I set in environment.variables like XDG_CONFIG_HOME are unset in a tty
<emily>
does anyone have any idea why/how I could fix this?
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<chreekat_>
What's a clever way to look up the kernel version used in NixOS unstable when i'm on stable ? I do have unstable as a user channel...
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 3 commits to staging: https://git.io/JeafL
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[nixpkgs] @fgaz opened pull request #72855 → jasmin: init at 2.4 → https://git.io/JeafC
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<deni>
I'm noticing I have a "result" symlink in a couple of places on disk and it's pointing to the current version of the nixos-system in the nix-store. I think was caused by invoking `nixos-rebuild` in those directories.... Is there any harm in removing them?
<samueldr>
nope
<samueldr>
if the same build is in use by a generation, it'll be held with another gc lock
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<avn>
Folks, -- `qt.qpa.plugin: Could not find the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in ""` any thoughs how to bypass it? (picocom not give results, hw vendor tell I must use cutecom, but it doesn't work)
<avn>
Any ideas folks? I not big expert in Qt packages
<avn>
averell: ty, will try at least cherry-pick, and build fresh master tomorrow ;)
<vika_nezrimaya>
Hello! any ways to enable a feature flag for a rust app, e.g. i3status-rust? I need to pass --feature notmuch to cargo build, it seems, but i3status-rust.overrideAttrs (o: { cargoBuildFlags = ["--feature notmuch"]; }) doesn't seem to get the result, as I don't see the build flag in build logs of Nix.
<manveru>
aye, that should take care of it :)
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<__Myst__>
why is `nix-env -u --dry-run` extremely slow?
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<vika_nezrimaya>
because it evaluates everything, trying to find packages by name
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: if you want faster user environment updates and also cool config management, try home-manager :3
<__Myst__>
is there any way to make it faster? or a similiar faster operation?
<vika_nezrimaya>
you could also go minimalistic and make a nix-file describing the environment, and then... nix-env -if myenv.nix or something similar
<infinisil>
,declarative __Myst__
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__Myst__: There are multiple ways of managing declarative profiles. 1) Attrset, compatible with imperative use of nix-env https://git.io/fAQHW ; 2) buildEnv, providing more control over the paths that are linked into the profile https://git.io/fp0aU ; 3) home-manager, providing nixos-like config for your ~ https://github.com/rycee/home-manager
<vika_nezrimaya>
oh hey there's a snippet for everything :3
<manveru>
,botsnack
<{^_^}>
Oh thanks, have a cookie yourself
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<vika_nezrimaya>
so qt
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<__Myst__>
is there a writeup on how the first one works?
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<kuznero>
Hi All!
<kuznero>
Did anybody see regolith linux? As I understand it is a wrapper on top of i3. And it looks great! Was thinking if anyone had attempted to port it into NixOS...
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: Looking at the code, it uses an overlay to add a new attribute set containing packages you want to have, and then installs it using nix-env. Looks like nix-env processes attrsets recursively, installing everything that is a derivation.
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<__Myst__>
what is "an overlay"?
<manveru>
kuznero: an entire distro just to use gnome with i3?
<jlv>
Is there a join function, to convert a list into a string with a custom separator?
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: Overlay is an easy way to add stuff to Nixpkgs without doing a full nixpkgs checkout which takes IIRC several gigabytes of disk space and 30 minutes on initial clone, depending on your network connection
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<vika_nezrimaya>
It lies on top of Nixpkgs, replacing and adding stuff
<vika_nezrimaya>
Several overlays can be stacked on top of each other in any order
<kuznero>
manveru, it is packaged as a distro, but you can also simply install it on ubuntu. As I understand it installs i3, some gnome packages and configures i3 in a nice way
<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: Do I need the "nix-rebuild" to be written in the overlay or can I copy it somewhere else?
<manveru>
kuznero: well, i'm looking for configs people want atm for the new nixos installer :)
<jlv>
symphorien: That does it :) More verbose than I expected. I was just looking for "join", because that's what most languages call it.
<vika_nezrimaya>
you don't even need nix-rebuild to be strict, it's just a convenience wrapper! The install procedure also functions as an update procedure
<manveru>
kuznero: i'm using just i3+polybar myself, but we could make any kind of preset using home-manager :D
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: But I'd recommend you to keep it where it is
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<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: so basically i read the manpage of nix-env a bit and as far as I understand it goes like this
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<kuznero>
manveru, sounds good. I just tried it today and think it is great compared to raw i3 ;) Is polybar a good thing?
<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: it basically is a selective download of nixpkgs?
<manveru>
kuznero: sure, i like it a lot and wrote a pretty big config for it
<kuznero>
manveru, but looking at the screenshots of polybar - it is amazing... will try it out right now ;)
<averell>
polybar is cool, except for weird default font choices
<kuznero>
:D
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<kuznero>
Another thing, at my new workplace I have to use Ubuntu. Is nix package manage on Ubuntu too weird? Compare to NixOS...
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: if you talk about binaries that you install, well, yes. Nix is lazy, it doesn't evaluate (read: build/download) things that weren't used anywhere. Say, if I have a derivation for google-chrome, but I don't mention it in my home-manager config, for example, it'll never be downloaded
<manveru>
it's not weird, you just won't be able to do as much because there's no module system
<tilpner>
manveru: What new nixos installer are you talking about?
<hpfr[m]>
Been having problems with Firefox lately. Sometimes when I launch it has a bunch of extension issues and then crashes, other times it’s ok. It also says some extensions have been disabled because they’re unsigned or something which shouldn’t be happening, I use common actively developed extensions
<vika_nezrimaya>
if you talk about overlays, well, think of them like a personal repository
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<vika_nezrimaya>
Ubuntu PPAs are a nice parallel
<kuznero>
manveru, ok, but e.g. how much my configuration.nix will be reusable in Ubuntu with nix package manager?
<manveru>
tilpner: building one on top of calamares
<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: hmm, i get "diff-so-fancy" missing
<vika_nezrimaya>
what is it?
<manveru>
kuznero: the package list
<tilpner>
manveru: With prebuilt configs to import, or combined with a config editor?
<manveru>
tilpner: prebuilt for now
<manveru>
i don't think i have time or energy for a config editor, others are working on that already anyway
<kuznero>
manveru, so only `nix-env -i package`? Can I configure systemd service with just nix package?
<manveru>
i think home-manager might work on ubuntu... not sure though
<vika_nezrimaya>
It runs on anything that runs nix
<manveru>
but not for system-wide systemd
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<tilpner>
manveru: That's fair. Do you have a keyword to look up for those other config editors?
<vika_nezrimaya>
ubuntu does have systemd IIRC so it should work
<vika_nezrimaya>
as systemd is managing users too if it manages system
<vika_nezrimaya>
logind and stuff
<manveru>
vika_nezrimaya: yeah, but there's no module for postgres or such yet
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<vika_nezrimaya>
Hydra (Nix-based CI used to build NixOS) requires Postgres and it has a NixOS module, if that's what you mean
<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: so to install new packages i must know their attribute path
<kuznero>
I am not sure I understood, manveru, sorry. Does nix package manager on ubuntu only allows to install packages? Or can it also e.g. configure services, etc?
<vika_nezrimaya>
__Myst__: `nix search` will help you to get them
<__Myst__>
vika_nezrimaya: what if it's something like `nixpkgs.gitAndTools.diff-so-fancy`?
<vika_nezrimaya>
first run builds index cache, will be slow
<vika_nezrimaya>
Then you write it like self.gitAndTools.diff-so-fancy
<manveru>
vika_nezrimaya: i meant home-manager is lacking those :)
<vika_nezrimaya>
home-manager isn't meant for managing that kind of stuff :3
<manveru>
kuznero: nix itself is just for managing stuff in /nix
<kuznero>
I see, thanks
<manveru>
it comes with nix-env, which can add stuff to your $PATH via profiles
<manveru>
but it can't write to /etc easily, for example, to make new systemd services on other distros
<kuznero>
manveru, can you share your i3+polybar setup?
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<vika_nezrimaya>
manveru: NixOS though is at the core is just a bunch of Nix-generated shell scripts
<manveru>
though i'm sure someone could make a nixos-rebuild switch equivalent for ubuntu...
<vika_nezrimaya>
you can build something similar
<vika_nezrimaya>
but at this point you might consider running NixOS
<manveru>
just not aware of anyone having done so :)
<kuznero>
:)
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<manveru>
tilpner: sorry, i don't know of a functional one atm
<manveru>
tilpner: clever was working on one sometime ago, but don't think it's actively being developed
<tilpner>
Ahh, thank you :)
<kuznero>
manveru, oh my god, that's a huge polybar setup you have...
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<kuznero>
Ah, I see... there is also a chance to use normal config files for those tools
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<dminuoso>
exarkun: Judging from the manual, it's a pure nix-the-package-manager integration, not nixos
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<dminuoso>
In fact I'd say it would do far too much if there was any nixos magic glued in.
<dminuoso>
stack shouldn't have any impact on your global system
<DigitalKiwi>
stack has a lot of problems
<HedgeMage>
Greetings, all. I notice that laptop-mode-tools isn't in the nixos channels I'm subscribed to. Can someone recommend a similarly lightweight and convenient alternative for managing ACPI settings for a laptop use case?
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<gjabell>
anyone know if there's a way to run android tools (ie emulator, etc) outside of the android-studio fhsenv?
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<gjabell>
hmm looks like I can run them fine inside a custom fhsenv, guess I can just wrap it in that
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<lordcirth_>
noonien, hi
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<noonien>
i've got `stdenv` in environment.systemPackages in the nixos configuration.nix file, but `gcc` is not available in my shell, but doing `nix-shell -p stdenv` makes it available, why is this?
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<evanjs>
So I saw #72324 but I'm unsure if it's related. Is anybody else experiencing issues with various --user systemd sermd services not running?
<__red__>
So - if I do a nix search foo, it colourises the output
<evanjs>
Currently I'm having issues running openrazer... The service exists, and I can run the command in ExecStart manually, but when I check the journal I get:
<evanjs>
openrazer-daemon.service: Failed to open /nix/store/389hrmhiaf083jdy124nbyfb28a63zvf-unit-openrazer-daemon.service/openrazer-daemon.service: No such file or directory
<__red__>
so I do a: TERM=dumb nix search foo - and it still colourises the output
<__red__>
thoughts?
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<clever>
__red__: what if you slap a |cat on the end?
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<clever>
noonien: even `nix-shell -p` will give you gcc
<noonien>
i see, i want to make gcc, make, etc available on the system by default, is that possible? what ubuntu for example packages as "build-essential"
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<clever>
,libraries noonien
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noonien: Don't install libraries through nix-env or systemPackages, use nix-shell instead. See https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ/Libraries for details.
<__red__>
clever - same thing
<__red__>
(I tried that to stop it doing the 'less' behaviours)
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<noonien>
sure, but i would prefer to have them availale without having to run nix-shell
<clever>
__red__: | less -R, will make less obey the color codes, other then that, file an issue on nix
<noonien>
i open a lot of terminals, and nix-shell messes with my workflow
<clever>
noonien: gcc wont find headers properly if you install it
<glittershark>
hey all - I'm getting "error: executing 'nix-store --serve --write' on my-cache.example.com: No such file or directory" when running `nix copy --to`, but only in one environment
<__red__>
clever: Yah - the most practical issue I think it that it then makes grep not work
<clever>
glittershark: does `ssh user@host nix-store --version` report a version?
<clever>
noonien: you may want to look into direnv
<glittershark>
and I can copy from one machine just fine, this is only happening on one particular (source) machine
<__red__>
vs
<__red__>
nix search superlu
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<infinisil>
__red__: I think there's a command line util to discard escape codes so it will uncolor everything
<infinisil>
Can't remember the name though
<__red__>
infinisil: there probably is, but it probably shouldn't need to exist if you know what I'm saying.
<__red__>
I'll post an issue to nix, at least we can have a discussion about it
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<infinisil>
Yeah ideally nix would adhere to the standard of not outputting colors without a tty
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<gchristensen>
probably a bug if it is
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<__red__>
(I'm guessing *GUESSING* it's just outputting vt100 / ansi escape sequences regardless of the TERM - maybe to avoid having curses or termcap as a dependancy?>
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<manveru>
it should at least check if stdout is a stty...
<charukiewicz>
is there a way to clean it up other than `rm`?
<infinisil>
aanderse: Yeah same answer
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<aanderse>
trying to figure out best way to provide os with easily resizable disk
<aanderse>
using fdisk and friends to resize not desired
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<__red__>
manveru: I'm happy to look at making a patch - that's probably the easiest way to mitigate that issue, but is the bigger issue that it doesn't respect TERM?
<clever>
,locate growpart
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: cloud-utils
<clever>
aanderse: ^^
<aanderse>
infinisil: yeah i see many "don't do it" for full disk lvm answers :\
<__red__>
manveru: for example - if you do "man ls > foo"
<__red__>
the file foo contains escape codes
<clever>
__red__: grep itself, will use the istty() syscall to see if stdout is a tty
<__red__>
so the UNIX precident is respecting TERM, not whether your output is going to a tty or not
<__red__>
clever: are you suggesting that GNU UNIX is inconsistent? :-D
<aanderse>
clever: oh... fs agnostic, live resizing, etc...?
<aanderse>
clever++
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clever's karma got increased to 233
<clever>
aanderse: all growpart does, is grow the partition
<clever>
aanderse: and then you need to find some other way to grow the fs within
<aanderse>
clever: yeah sounds like it would work nice with lvm. very much appreciate the info.
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<clever>
aanderse: for lvm, you then want pvresize to expand the pv, and lvresize to expand the lv
<__red__>
manveru: another solution (as suggested by a friend on another channel where we're discussing this) is a --nocolour option
<__red__>
since nix also potentially works on non-posix platforms
<clever>
__red__: grep has --color=never --color=always and i think --color=auto
<aanderse>
clever: yup, what i was thinking. growpart solves my problem perfectly
<aanderse>
or at least sounds like it does
<clever>
aanderse: sadly, gparted wont let me do a simple partition growth, and refuses to touch zfs
<aanderse>
will test tomorrow ;-)
<aanderse>
yeah i only use zfs on real hardware so growing a hard drive has never been a concern
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<clever>
aanderse: in my case, the partition is only using half the nvme disk, because i migrated from another disk using mirrors
<__red__>
manveru: uh oh, it's C++, that's outside of my pay-grade. I mean I *could* try and cargo-cult a patch but honestly... with such a low level language like C++ that would be dangerous.
<aanderse>
ah, ok
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<eacameron>
How can get nix to recalculate how much space is left on a network mounted disk? It says its full but I just resized it.
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<evanjs>
tilpner_: I don’t remember seeing an openrazer.service and it just stopped working some time back. Not sure if it was before or after I stabilized ok 19.09 tho. I guess I could check for references and profile packages
<dhess>
clever: no, though maybe I'll run into that at some point. How do I override the nixpkgs that a Hydra job uses? I'm actually looking at iohk-ops right now and it's not obvious.
<dhess>
it worked when I was doing my own pinning with a .json file (I cribbed it from iohk-ops, actually), but now that I've switched to niv, I can't figure out how to override it
<dhess>
I think my jobspec is online, just a sec
<clever>
dhess: basically, dont import <nixpkgs> ever, import sources.nixpkgs
<dhess>
maybe a better way to ask this question is, how do you override nixpkgs (or any other source) when you do "nix build -f default.nix foo", using a niv project?
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<clever>
dhess: ah, you want to ignore the niv nixpkgs and use <nixpkgs>
<dhess>
because I think that Hydra is just passing -I nixpkgs=the-overridden-nixpkgs-url to that
<dhess>
yeah
<dhess>
where I can specify the URL for nixpkgs
<clever>
dhess: hydra also passes nixpkgs as an argument to release.nix
<dhess>
basically I'm just trying to run Hydra jobs against master
<clever>
dhess: so { nixpkgs ? sources.nixpkgs }: would work
<dhess>
clever: hmm I thougth I was already doing that
<dhess>
glittershark: that's not applicable to niv though
<dhess>
that's more or less the way I used to do it
<glittershark>
oh I thought "niv" was a typo
<glittershark>
oh
<dhess>
no though I have made that typo myself several times since adopting niv ;)
<dhess>
it's pretty annoying, actually. I would greatly prefer another name
<dhess>
clever: ok I think I see the problem, thanks for helping me kick my brain
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<dhess>
my old pinning system would look for a nixpkgs override, so that by the time nixpkgs was evaluated in release.nix, it had already done the override
<dhess>
niv doesn't do that bit
<dhess>
I think, anyway.
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<dhess>
clever: speaking of restricted URIs/allowed-uris, if I recall correctly, my Hydra complains that allowed-uris is ignored every time I start it, but clearly it's not
<dhess>
at least it used to complain about that
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<clever>
dhess: that can happen if your using an older nix that lacks support for it
<dhess>
clever: maybe my nix-daemon hadn't been upgraded or something weird.
<dhess>
Does the root channel on a NixOS box not get updated by nixops deploy?
<clever>
dhess: more likely that its the evaluator, not the daemon
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<dhess>
oh , I don't think that was the case, then.
<dhess>
anyway, it broke when I removed it so it was clearly still needed.
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<dhess>
there we go.
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<dhess>
clever: yeah you were right about just passing "nixpkgs ? ", which was dumb of me, but I'd gotten used to not needing that because it was done by my pinning system, before it got passed as an argument to default.nix, etc.
<dhess>
anyway now it's working, thanks as always
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