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<siraben> Can we quickly merge #112255
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112255 (by eadwu, 3 minutes ago, open): stdenv/generic: allowAlises -> allowAliases
<abathur> oops :)
* clever waves
<siraben> thanks clever
<gchristensen> what PR is that fixing up?
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<siraben> gchristensen: regression in #111447
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/111447 (by siraben, 6 days ago, merged): stdenv/generic: throw when using stdenv.lib and disallowing aliases
<siraben> yet another gap in eval
<hexa-> >> let’s see if this causes any mayhem.
<hexa-> famous last words
<hexa-> siraben++
<{^_^}> siraben's karma got increased to 6
<hexa-> eadwu++
<{^_^}> eadwu's karma got increased to like 1, I think
<cole-h> siraben: I wonder how it should've been caught if nothing in Nixpkgs is using stdenv.lib anymore...
<cole-h> ;)
<siraben> lol, true.
<cole-h> Sounds like you need to PR nix-darwin to remove stdenv.lib next :D
<hexa-> error: attribute 'allowAliases' missing, at /etc/nixos/nixpkgs/pkgs/stdenv/generic/default.nix:156:16
<cole-h> (That's the location of the lib "alias")
<cole-h> s/lib/stdenv.lib/
<cole-h> wait
<cole-h> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaait
* cole-h facepalms
<cole-h> sorry hexa-
<abathur> could use brains from anyone w/ a good grasp of nix-daemon user/group uid/gid issues; macOS users have been landing in recovery during Big Sur updates and I *think* the cause is user migration it is doing. It goes OK if I delete the nixbld users, or if I rename them to _nixbld* and give them uids in the 200-400 range
<abathur> I stumbled into this "fix" after finding this line added to the usage info of sysadminctl: https://github.com/kendfinger/MacHack/blame/main/README.md#L401
<{^_^}> #112256 (by cole-h, 8 seconds ago, open): stdenv/generic: config.allowAliases doesn't exist unless it's set
<cole-h> hexa-++
<{^_^}> hexa-'s karma got increased to 19
<hexa-> needs someone clever to merge this ig :D
<hexa-> I'm not touch stdenv
<hexa-> touching*
<abathur> in one sense the fix seems fairly straightforward, but it also seems a little _bold_ for default installs to eat up 32 UIDs in the ~200-UID range available for role accounts
<siraben> cole-h: wow, thanks
<ajs124> allowAliases defaults to true everywhere else in nixpkgs, though
<ajs124> ah, no. not everywhere, sorry.
<ajs124> 1/9 is true.
<cole-h> Well
<cole-h> If it's unset
<cole-h> I feel it's fair to assume false
<ajs124> Don't get me wrong, we build all our systems with allowAliases = false, but my impression has always been that they are enabled by default
<cole-h> OK, I see what you're saying.
<cole-h> `rg config.allowAliases or` -> most are `or true`.
<cole-h> btw, is stdenv.lib slated for deprecation (as the comment says) or *removal* in 21.11?
<cole-h> cuz it's already kinda deprecated by virtue of having a builtins.trace saying so... :P
<cole-h> cc siraben ^
<siraben> cole-h: removal
<cole-h> Well, if somebody decides to PR the condition to `or true`, they should probably fixup that comment, too :D
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<cole-h> FYI, I did ^
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<siraben> gchristensen: is there a way to grep hydra logs for a certain string?
<cole-h> All hydra logs? Probably not. A certain hydra log? Open the raw log and Ctrl+F :P
<siraben> what about all hydra logs for failing builds?
<siraben> also, when does the ZHF period start?
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<siraben> Any objections to a treewide PR that moves makeWrapper into nativeBuildInputs?
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<siraben> #112276
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112276 (by siraben, 41 minutes ago, open): treewide: makeWrapper buildInputs to nativeBuildInputs
<siraben> welp. Time to rebase to staging.
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<yorick> siraben: does makeWrapper in nativeBulidinputs build now?
<yorick> did someone fix that?
<yorick> it used to have to be in buildInputs since it uses the target shell
<__monty__> It does seem to work for me and I believe the examples in the manual list it thus.
<yorick> no, makeWrapper in nativeBuildInputs is definitely using the wrong shell at runtime
<yorick> grep bash $(nix-build -A pkgsCross.aarch64-multiplatform.buildPackages.makeWrapper)/nix-support/setup-hook
<yorick> vs
<yorick> grep bash $(nix-build -A pkgsCross.aarch64-multiplatform.makeWrapper)/nix-support/setup-hook
<yorick> they do and I think the manual is wrong
<yorick> you could argue that this is a makeWrapper bug
<__monty__> I rather think the function's wrong. Surely makeWrapper should run on the host rather than the target?
<yorick> makewrapper is one of those things that gets sourced into the builder
<yorick> but it perhaps uses the wrong runtimeShell
<adisbladis> __monty__: I agree
<adisbladis> Semantically it makes the most sense in nativeBuildInputs
<yorick> makeWrapper = makeSetupHook { deps = [ dieHook ]; substitutions = { shell = pkgs.runtimeShell; }; } ../build-support/setup-hooks/make-wrapper.sh
<yorick> should that be pkgs.targetPackages.runtimeShell, then?
<yorick> oh, that's not always a thing
<__monty__> Is it only a thing when cross-building?
<yorick> it's only a thing inside hostPackages, yes
<{^_^}> #21471 (by Ericson2314, 4 years ago, open): Always cross compile
<yorick> would be nice
<siraben> I'll keep the PR open until that is fixed then.
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<yorick> I'm afraid it'd coderot before anyone fixes this
<yorick> (unless you want to take a shot)
<siraben> Do packages that have makeWrapper in buildInputs cross-compile correctly atm?
<yorick> yes
<siraben> Then I should make the change in the other direction and put makeWrapper in buildInputs?
<adisbladis> I don't think so
<yorick> um, I think the channel morally disagrees :D
<gchristensen> siraben: not that I know of
<yorick> all the packages that have makeWrapper in nativeBuildInputs are currently broken, but everyone doing serious cross-compiling has a bunch of patches on top of their nixpkgs fork anyways
<siraben> So the solution is to fix makeWrapper then, hm.
<yorick> but fixing makeWrapper would be ideal
<siraben> working with cross-compilation would easier if we had cached cross-compilers...
<yorick> cross-compilation would be easier if it were tested on hydra at all
<yorick> I forgot why we don't
<gchristensen> it is tested on hydra
<yorick> how does it manage not to show up in the cache then?
<gchristensen> perhaps you are not using the same cross builds it is producing
<yorick> also, hrm, that's a lot of evaluation errors since 4 days ago
<adisbladis> I think probably because it's a separate jobset, so it doesn't match nixos channels very well
<gchristensen> ,evalerrors = If you see a jobset suddenly started having a lot of evaluation errors around February 1, we only started remembering evaluation errors around then. The errors have probably "always" been there, but we didn't record them.
<{^_^}> evalerrors defined
<gchristensen> ,evalerrors yorick :P
<{^_^}> yorick :P: If you see a jobset suddenly started having a lot of evaluation errors around February 1, we only started remembering evaluation errors around then. The errors have probably "always" been there, but we didn't record them.
<yorick> aha!
<gchristensen> ,evalerrors = If you see a jobset suddenly started having a lot of evaluation errors around February 1, we only started remembering evaluation errors around then. The errors have probably "always" been there, but we didn't save them for every evaluation: we'd only keep the evaluation errors for the most recent evaluation.
<{^_^}> evalerrors redefined, was defined as If you see a jobset suddenly started having a lot of evaluation errors around February 1, we only started remembering evaluation errors around then. The errors have probably "always" been there, but we didn't record them.
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<siraben> yorick: how would you recommend to fix makeWrapper?
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<yorick> you could try targetPackages.runtimeShell, I think that should work with your use
<yorick> but it has the side-effect of probably breaking if it's in buildInputs
<siraben> probably breaking even when compiling to A from A?
<yorick> maybe someone more clever than me knows the way
<yorick> (sorry)
<rnhmjoj> siraben: did you see my reply on issue #110736?
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/110736 (by siraben, 1 week ago, open): wpa_supplicant service fails to restart on i686
<siraben> rnhmjoj: ah I forgot to reply
<siraben> the user experiencing this issue isn't using NixOS on i686 anymore so I cannot test it
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<siraben> Oh wait I think that suggestion actually fixed their problem
<yorick> where did you find i686 users in 2021
<siraben> on #nixos
<yorick> :D
<siraben> Search the logs for CodeBitCookie
<rnhmjoj> siraben: is there a config snippet? i don't think being on i686 is relevant
<siraben> they also reported i686 failing to build because of libuchardet failing test
<siraben> (i wonder if anyone has made a PR to disable tests on i686 for that package yet)
<siraben> s/i686/mpv
<siraben> turns out NixOS is actually kinda useful for i686 users because we have cached builds
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<siraben> #112300
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112300 (by siraben, 7 seconds ago, open): libuchardet: disable tests on i686
<siraben> but we might as well drop support for 32-bit soon, following other distros
<rnhmjoj> siraben: thank you
<adisbladis> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/112054#issuecomment-774484169 < this person is getting conspiratorial
<adisbladis> And outright accusing a project member of malicious intent
<adisbladis> cc gchristensen
<siraben> yikes
<gchristensen> hmmm
<gchristensen> not sure ...
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<gchristensen> hidden
<gchristensen> please continue keeping an eye on their behavior :)
<yorick> I think they're upset that they reported a buildGoModule issue and it was just worked around and closed?
<gchristensen> yeah, that part I don't mind so much
<gchristensen> jumping to FUD is no good
<V> whew
<gchristensen> and accusing contributors of malicious deeds because they didn't like a PR is another level
<eyJhb> Seems like a nice guy
<gchristensen> nice yorick
<eyJhb> supersandro2000: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112237 is these changes automatic?
<{^_^}> #112237 (by eyJhb, 13 hours ago, open): transmission-rpc: 0.11 -> 3.2.2
<eyJhb> Also, gchristensen how can I label a package as a rename? Or that might not matter
<qyliss> eyJhb: add an alias?
<gchristensen> I don't think that is a thing for ofborg labels
<eyJhb> Ah, I already have added a alias for the old one. But just wondered if the label should matter
<eyJhb> Or I can just ignore it
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<yorick> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/107394 can someone please hit the big green merge button on this? :D
<{^_^}> #107394 (by yorickvP, 6 weeks ago, open): beam-packages: move wxSupport arg up to package set, add beam_nox
<yorick> before anyone breaks it again
<siraben> Mostly harmless™? #112302
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112302 (by siraben, 45 minutes ago, open): treewide: unzip buildInputs to nativeBuildInputs
<yorick> umm
<yorick> I'd like to see those tested
<yorick> (both native and cross)
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<yorick> things where this might fail is anything putting unzip in a wrapper
<siraben> argh I need a way to check locally if my cross-related PRs are helping
<yorick> qemu-aarch64 will run cross-compiled arm stuff in userspace
<yorick> that's a first step, but I'm not sure what will happen if it starts mixing with x64
<yorick> do you have a raspberry pi laying around?
<siraben> i have a reMarkable tablet lying around even :P
<siraben> with Nix installed
<yorick> can-merge: #112194
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112194 (by yorickvP, 17 hours ago, open): libusb: backport bugfix for 1.0.24
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<yorick> thanks!
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<eyJhb> x-post from #nixos, regarding the /nix/store. Is there any method to harden /nix/store ? ie. I thought about disallowing the ability to list the content of /nix/store, for anyone except trusted users
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<zimbatm> eyJhb: it wouldn't really help as the store paths are also recorded in /nix/var/nix/db/db.sqlite
<eyJhb> zimbatm: But is access to that file required for anyone except trusted users, etc. ?
<zimbatm> not sure
<eyJhb> Ie. does php/apache/whatever really need access to that
<zimbatm> not them but it might be needed to the non-trusted nix users
<qyliss> could be group-readable by them
<zimbatm> s/to/by
<zimbatm> true
<eyJhb> Just thinking, a small change like that could be "huge" :)
<zimbatm> another vector is to follow all the store paths starting from /run/current-system
<eyJhb> Damn it, yeah
<zimbatm> sorry for being contrarian...
<eyJhb> How dare you zimbatm. Poking holes in everything :D
<jtojnar> Mic92: *FlagsArray should just never be used in Nix
<eyJhb> back to the drawing board I guess... Or rather, exam, but would be cool!
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<zimbatm> ok, to your side, hiding the /nix/store would still be useful to some extent
<zimbatm> assuming that the db is not needed by the client
<zimbatm> it could prevent a developer from accidentally leaking a secret during build
<zimbatm> let's say they nix-build a repo that uses git-crypt secrets, referenced by the nix code
<zimbatm> btw, these ideas have been discussed in the past. We really need to group them somewhere so they are easy to find.
<eyJhb> Should just be added here - https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8
<{^_^}> nix#8 (by edolstra, 8 years ago, open): Support private files in the Nix store
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<zimbatm> if the /nix/store was a FUSE filesystem, or bind-mounted on a per-user basis, we could expose different views of the store
<eyJhb> You cannot mention bind-mounts, you will attract https://github.com/nix-community/impermanence
<zimbatm> and get rid of trusted-users as each user would get their own store
<eyJhb> But yeah, a view for each user would be really cool
<eyJhb> Just quoting this, as it might have an impact on your idea zimbatm https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/8#issuecomment-37163595
<eyJhb> Or it might work perfect with your idea
<zimbatm> I think the main hold-back is that FUSE and bind-mounts are not available on all systems
<zimbatm> what's nice about the current design is that it's fairly portable
<zimbatm> if we supported linux-only we could do cool thinks like replace the nixbld\d+ users with subuid ranges
<zimbatm> then nix would work out of the box without modifying the host, except what's in /nix
<zimbatm> but that would complicate the installer, which is already too complicated with the single/multi user differences
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<Mic92> jtojnar: context?
<supersandro2000> eyJhb: no
<eyJhb> supersandro2000: Well, then the comment still stands. And not sure about doCheck = false; when there are no tests, is there any agreed upon convention about that? Not really something I would put into a update commit
<Mic92> zimbatm: Performance is also a hold-back. You need to avoid double caching and metadata lookup is a lot more expensive.
<supersandro2000> eyJhb: I didn't come up with it
<supersandro2000> If it do not check for it we don't notice when pypi releases drop tests because it silently fails
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<Mic92> zimbatm: I am interested what it will look like in the case of floxdev. I will give this a try some time.
<eyJhb> supersandro2000: Is there any issue/pr/chat where such a discussion happened? I just remember this discussion - https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/110824#discussion_r564338369 with no outcome
<eyJhb> Setting doCheck = false, won't that just not run any checks/tests, when a new realease comes that has checks?
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<supersandro2000> eyJhb: github search is terrible so IDK
<supersandro2000> I wouldn't find anything so I just don't attempt to search something
<supersandro2000> also python tests are usually whatever and only find bugs in their code or things not working in the sandbox. import check is usually enough.
<Mic92> jtojnar: mhm. Why did we not get bit by it earlier?
<eyJhb> There is a lot of usual, idk, usual in this, seems like it is based on nothing, with no discussions, etc.? What is the reason to remove it for every python module, even if it does nothing at this point?
<jtojnar> Mic92: we are getting bitten by this all the time
<Mic92> jtojnar: I mean it worked reasonable well for buildGoPackage. One needs to use one string
<jtojnar> but it is hard to notice since some programs just ignore invalid arguments
<jtojnar> Mic92: yeah, it works by chance if you have just a single argument
<jtojnar> which is probably the most common case
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<supersandro2000> eyJhb: redirect your discussion at @jonringer. I just copied it from him and he knows what he is doing.
<eyJhb> supersandro2000: It would be nice when you are sending these automated messages out, so that it can be seen why it should be done like so. Which seems like a pretty easy step before spreading that test method wide and far :)
<eyJhb> jonringer is only on Matrix, right?
<supersandro2000> or discord
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<supersandro2000> I probably knew it at some point and just forgot it.
<eyJhb> I will link anything if I find it :)
<eyJhb> Ohh frick, this is my first big Matrix room. I think my server might die.
<qyliss> jonringer is often on IRC
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<qyliss> but not always
<eyJhb> Couldn't find them in #nix on Matrix, so trying #nixos :| Not sure if that is wise.
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<eyJhb> Well crud, I cannot join #nixos because error, and I cannot leave #nix because of error
<qyliss> eyJhb: if I were you I'd just ,tell them here
<eyJhb> qyliss: best way to do that while they're offline?
<zimbatm> Mic92: doesn't FUSE allow to forward some of the syscalls to the underlying OS?
<qyliss> eyJhb: the bot has a ,tell command
<qyliss> ,help tell/
<qyliss> ,help tell
<qyliss> i don't actually know how you ask it for help
<qyliss> but it works like this:
<qyliss> ,tell eyJhb hello
<eyJhb> qyliss: the bot is DOWN for maintanence :p
<qyliss> oh :(
<cole-h> haha
<qyliss> then never mind :(
<eyJhb> infinisil and gchristensen is doing surgery on it in -chat :p
<cole-h> The amqp message queue is being migrated to a different host atm :P
<eyJhb> Guess I will just continue reading up on exams til then :p
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<V> eyJhb: use MemoServ
<eyJhb> Ahh true!
<qyliss> omg how did I not know about MemoServ
<V> IDK
<V> I know all the obscure IRC facts
<hexa-> also consider memoservs ability to deliver memos as emails
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<infinisil> ,tell
<{^_^}> Use `,tell john Remember to do the laundry` to send this to john next time he's talking in this channel
<infinisil> eyJhb: Back online :)
<eyJhb> Perfect, thanks infinisil !
<eyJhb> ( and gchristensen )
<Valodim[m]> eyJhb: is your name the beginning of a base64 encoded jwt token?
<eyJhb> `{"alg`, so yeah, pretty much!
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<gchristensen> lol
<gchristensen> incredible
<eyJhb> gchristensen: Sup? :p
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<Mic92> The number of nixpkgs-review bots seems to increase: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/112275#issuecomment-774642315
<supersandro2000> I am still not a bot
<abathur> cyborg :]
<supersandro2000> I have zero tech modifications in my body
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<Mic92> supersandro2000: could you surive without your computer so?
<Mic92> mydra looks cool!
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<jtojnar> do you remember a discussion of what is expected of maintainers?
<jtojnar> I am pretty sure it was discussed at some point but cannot find anything
<jtojnar> well, maybe it was more of a discussion of personal interpretations of the “maintainer” term
<eyJhb> jonringer: AHA! Got you. I had a "discussion" with supersandro2000 regarding setting `doCheck = false;" on Python packages that have no tests. Do we have a issue or anything on why this is done?
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<{^_^}> #112335 (by lovesegfault, 3 minutes ago, open): treewide: cleanup Adobe Flash Player
<lovesegfault> Gets rid of flash player everywhere
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<lovesegfault> samueldr: just fixed, I had missed an `else` branch in a cond :P
<eyJhb> lovesegfault: Why do you hate it so much? Adobe Flash is the best thing to ever happen
<lovesegfault> because it's unmaintained :P
<eyJhb> IT IS THE BEST THING. :D
<eyJhb> Why the GTK2 removal?
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<lovesegfault> eyJhb: it was only used in the `flashplayerFix` part of the drv, afaict
<eyJhb> Fair :) Good job!
<lovesegfault> samueldr: where do the release notes live?
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<lovesegfault> Aha, thank you
<samueldr> that's what anyone upgrading should read first before doing anything else!
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<lovesegfault> samueldr: Done added an entry in the notes ;)
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<lovesegfault> I can't nest itemizedlist's apparently
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<jtojnar> lovesegfault: that should work https://tdg.docbook.org/tdg/5.1/itemizedlist.html
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<jtojnar> lovesegfault: you need para for the inner items, I think
<jtojnar> or simpara in this case https://tdg.docbook.org/tdg/5.1/simpara.html
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<lovesegfault> jtojnar: ah, I see
<lovesegfault> fixed, thanks :)
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