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<colemickens> Do any of the nixos tests rely on the Internet?
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<kloenk> Why does builtins.getFlake requires a forceStringNoCtx?
<NinjaTrappeur> colemickens: I don't think so
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<ryantm> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/94899/checks?check_run_id=960271866 It looks like OfBorg depends on the presence of passthru.tests on some platforms sometimes?
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<Mic92> colemickens: They should not have internet access.
<zimbatm> niksnut: S3 has a CopyObject API that can do direct transfer between 2 S3 locations in case you're interested
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<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: why isn't dbus socket activated by default? `services.xserver.startDbusSession = false` `services.dbus.socketActivated`
<worldofpeace> (in nixos)
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<jtojnar> worldofpeace no idea, I thought it already is (maybe the PR was reverted?)
<jtojnar> I was thinking of peterhoeg's work in https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/18382
<{^_^}> #18382 (by peterhoeg, 3 years ago, closed): dbus: [WIP] new version and socket activation
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<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: weird. Perhaps it would be a good idea to re-pr, I've been using it for about a year and it seems entirely fine
<jtojnar> worldofpeace I completely forgot we had https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/67942
<{^_^}> #67942 (by rycee, 48 weeks ago, open): WIP: Support socket activated session dbus
<jtojnar> maybe the rycee's issue from December 10 was fixed by https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/88101
<{^_^}> #88101 (by adisbladis, 11 weeks ago, merged): nixos/display-managers: Use dbus socket unit shipped by upstream
<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: ooooh right, there's that PR
<worldofpeace> I actually PR'd the first commit in that PR (modified of course) a while back. So the only thing in that PR needing merge was https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/67942/commits/c28dc669d53a5b71ad79c7f180192ecb7927edc9
<drakonis> acme seems to still be broken on unstable?
<worldofpeace> and I think https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/88101/files is for services.xserver.startDbusSession, or perhaps I have something confused with services.dbus.socketActivated
<drakonis> despite ariavp pushing a fix to error 400
<rycee> The 88101 PR does not really fix the issue I'm having. Mainly it does not have any effect on non-graphical logins.
<worldofpeace> rycee: Ahh, is there an issue in your tracker I can look at? (I believe this has to do with home-manager?)
<worldofpeace> I did just rebase your PR 😸
<worldofpeace> wait, I'm highly confused Jan Tojnar. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/88101/files runs the socket manually, where I don't see how that's any different than `sockets.dbus.wantedBy =[ "sockets.target" ];`?
<rycee> worldofpeace: Well, I don't think there is any particular issue that tracks everything. But my most recent run-in with this issue was a few days ago when I tried out using a new activation script for systemd units that use dbus to communicate with systemd.
<rycee> But it was a bad idea since dbus is not available for non-graphical logins :-/
<worldofpeace> ahh right, I saw that revert of using sd-switch
<rycee> I did try using systemd's internal socket but I think it's dbus interface is a bit more limited. Something called sd-bus, I believe.
<drakonis> nvm its the firewall
<rycee> I haven't tried the 88101 solution so I don't know how well it works in integrating dbus activated services, like gnome terminal or a notification daemon like dunst.
<rycee> But I imagine it should work ok.
<rycee> Perhaps the systemctl `--wait` argument also works. If so then I think 88101 is a pretty complete solution, provided you are running a graphical setup.
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