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<arianvp> thoughtpolice++
<{^_^}> thoughtpolice's karma got increased to 12
<thoughtpolice> Will do a post about the beta cache on the forums sometime soon
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<niksnut> nixcon talk submitted \o/
<gchristensen> oh cool!
<gchristensen> oh I should do thaht
<adisbladis> \o/
<adisbladis> I think it's about time to send out a CFP reminder
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<Profpatsch> thoughtpolice: Great work on the fastly cache!
<Profpatsch> thoughtpolice++
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<Profpatsch> Esp. thanks for documenting stuff on the wiki.
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<adisbladis> Yeah, that level of transparency is awesome!
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<worldofpeace> jtojnar: what do you think about https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/1002 being closed? (ref issues with includes in gtk3 meson)
<jtojnar> worldofpeace: It is unfortunate but I understand their point of view
<jtojnar> that's why I want to focus in moving the goalposts in Meson
<jtojnar> worldofpeace: it all stems from this atrocity https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/2561
<{^_^}> mesonbuild/meson#2561 (by arekm, 1 year ago, closed): artificial limitation of directories (forced to be in prefix)
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<worldofpeace> wow, this is one of those cases when aweful would be unquestionable from our side 😇
<worldofpeace> and the point in https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/2561#issuecomment-405398405 in reference to elementary-greeter, I think you could make a big list of gnome software that makes that assumption also
<worldofpeace> jtojnar: have you had good experiences with meson as a project being responsive?
<gchristensen> so we're potentially going to be coming in to some significant compute power. is there a way beyond the obvious "Stick it in hydra!" option to help support the community?
<gchristensen> if it comes to pass, it'll be >100 nodes of (4 x 2.4ghz cores, ~8GB RAM, no hard drive). I think this could have interesting applications beyond hydra. I'd love to hear some ideas.
<samueldr> a couple aside for PR testing / building docs on change on PRs?
<gchristensen> that is a very cool idea
<globin> and maybe something like the aarch64 community box
<globin> i guess samueldr was refering to ofborg?
<samueldr> yes
<gchristensen> that would also be great
<samueldr> though the amount of memory and no storage makes it... weird for the "community machine" use case
<samueldr> though it might be me
<gchristensen> yes, that is definitely a big part of it. it'll require some creativity to think about use cases
<samueldr> wondering about some kind of "queue an eval" service
<samueldr> how it can be structured to be useful
<samueldr> especially considering the fact there won't be storage
<gchristensen> by an eval do you mean an eval-and-build?
<globin> somehow distributing the builds/community users would be necessary
<samueldr> well, queue an eval/build
<samueldr> yes gchristensen :)
<gchristensen> I have 50% of the source to a project I called "magic bb" which this is a fairly perfect use case for, but I haven't had the time to make actually useful: a remote server you setup as a builder and it'd auto-scale backends to get you as many cores of whatveer architecture you needed.
<gchristensen> but maybe could ditch a ton of the complexity: submit a key, it'll get you a remote builder for some hours. for working on nixpkgs stuff.
<jtojnar> worldofpeace: as I see it (I might be projecting something that is not there), they have some sort of vision and try to follow it
<jtojnar> they are pretty responsive to requests that are in line with the vision
<jtojnar> they also seem to be receptive to good arguments when they process them, but I feel like they are slightly overwhelmed, as it sometimes takes many passes before the misunderstandings are cleared
<jtojnar> maybe Ericson2314 can also comment, as he is trying to make cross-compilation in Meson sane
<worldofpeace> jtojnar: I think I'd have to agree on all those points. I think most of the interaction I've seen goes like that, and I think part of that behavior is the effects of being overwhelmed.
<worldofpeace> Guess best way to deal with things is to be really contructed/considerate and patient. I think direct contributions to move that along can have the same effect sometimes (++ more passes)