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<dtz>
can someone w/a darwin builder confirm that the first commit in https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/42150 fixes the hanging problem on that platform? Borg says it does but I'd like to test that hanging does occur if the patch is reverted-- but don't want to do that to borg since that seems hostile
<dtz>
well I suppose it does have timeouts in place, but even so would appreciate a quick check ;0
<dtz>
*:)
<gchristensen>
dtz: I'd be happy to, but I'd do it on the same builder my borg runs on
<gchristensen>
dtz: I'd just do it anyway :P
<dtz>
great, ty! No worries about the machine used I just didn't want to... intentionally ask borg to do something that I hoped would hang lol
<gchristensen>
yeah, I mean, I'm not actually going to do it. but I would say go ahead and try it via borg
<dtz>
oh okay
<dtz>
:)
<dtz>
go go gadget borg
<dtz>
:D
<gchristensen>
:D
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<ikwildrpepper>
Mic92: looks like something is up with the updater of the homepage, checking
<ikwildrpepper>
Mic92: should be back up
<Mic92>
ikwildrpepper: thanks!
<gchristensen>
ghuntley: awesome!!
<ghuntley>
There's some factual errors. I'm aiming for introductions aka why nixos is better than debian.
<ghuntley>
It's fine. I'm getting folks to take it for a spin aka the why vs the how.
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<ghuntley>
World's cannot express how fucking awesome nixos really is. You have built something special ❤️
<gchristensen>
:'D
<gchristensen>
peti: my understanding from talking to some peers is https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/40128 probably can only be solved via a technical discussion between you and ezyang, are you available for something like that, sometime this week?
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<niksnut>
'NixOS is fucking awesome' - we should put that on a mug ;-)
<gchristensen>
+1
<peti>
gchristensen: Hmm, yes, backpack support would be very cool to have! I'm hugely in favor of making that possible.
<gchristensen>
yay! I have some people who need it very much, and possibly-to-probably some people who can help with time and effort
<gchristensen>
how should we make this happen?
<peti>
gchristensen: I'll a minute to figure out when I would be able to dedicate some time to this endavour. The first step would be to try and package some backpack code myself, I suppose.
<peti>
gchristensen: Right now, I can't really say when I'll be able to do that. We have 2 colleagues on vacation and 1 in the hospital at work, so I maybe not be able to do this this week. :-(
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<shlevy>
peti: Edward responded on the issue by the way
<matthewbauer>
ok is there a reason to use Linuxkit over like QEMU ? like, what does linuxkit give you over direct usage
<gchristensen>
linuxkit uses hyperkit which requires no superuser permissions, and sets up seamless networking which is much more pleasant than the networking tricks required for a typical VM
<gchristensen>
I did a talk about it, actually, I can look to see if I can "open source" it
<matthewbauer>
yeah that would be great! i haven't used it yet but definitely looks useful. Do you have a solution to people bootstrapping without remote builders? I think we could try getting it into cache.nixos.org so that it can be substituted.
<gchristensen>
it'll be built by hydra :)
<gchristensen>
I just wish I could give it a better name before it made it on hydra
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<gchristensen>
matthewbauer: maybe you have some ideas? :)
<gchristensen>
nix-linux-build-system-for-mac
<matthewbauer>
maybe just 'linux-builder' with the aspiration to support other OS (windows support!)
<matthewbauer>
?
<gchristensen>
Nix Linux Build System? Nix Build System Linux? Nix Subsystem for Linux? (NSL is fun b/c National Security Letter)
<samueldr>
4 for "for" needs to make a comeback :) NLBS4macOS longer name makes it easier to search 4
<samueldr>
(and with nixos for WSL around the corner NLBS4somethingElse could realistically exist)
<gchristensen>
we could go the m4 and k8s strategy
<gchristensen>
n15s
* samueldr
cries in numeronyms
<andi->
How many of those acronyms can we introduce before going insane?
<matthewbauer>
i think Linux users would also appreciate a 'darwin-builder' but IIRC we cannot legally do this without something like PureDarwin becoming a thing
<samueldr>
as many as there are letters and numbers, don't forget we could dip in some other alphabets!
<gchristensen>
andi-: t5y
<pie_>
just please make it googleable
<gchristensen>
andi-: (toomany)
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<samueldr>
matthewbauer: you're right, though I don't know how much an issue it would be to do all the infra work, but leave the macOS vm work as an exercise to the implementation
<pie_>
so preferably a random > 4 character string
<samueldr>
AAAAA
<gchristensen>
ok I'll name it
<samueldr>
that was randomly selected with a fair dice roll
<Dezgeg>
I don't think others do when I last checked
<Dezgeg>
but yes, it would be nice
<gchristensen>
I have someone in my ear saying they definitely do, because their LOM / iDRAC is over tty0
<Dezgeg>
the usual graphical console?
<gchristensen>
serial I think
<gchristensen>
I can collect more info
<Dezgeg>
the ones I checked last were git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/boot/dracut/dracut.git git://git.debian.org/git/kernel/initramfs-tools.git git://git.archlinux.org/mkinitcpio.git
<samueldr>
hmm, gchristensen fwiw the nixos kernel with two console= seems to work with my stage-1 with qemu
<gchristensen>
do both consoles work?
<Dezgeg>
yes, two console= gives you two kernel messages but no two stage-1 messages
<samueldr>
I don't have a getty, but both show kernel messages
<gchristensen>
ahh
<samueldr>
Dezgeg: that's why I said seem, not sure if it was showing init's messages