<samueldr> hey aarch64 friends, thinking of getting this to daily-drive as main computer, to dogfood more aarch64 https://libre.computer/products/boards/roc-rk3399-pc/
<samueldr> quoted as being able to drive 2x4k screens (though I only need 2x1440p)
<samueldr> through a mezzanine board has M.2 SATA support
<samueldr> anyone sees anything technically "bad" with that board?
<gchristensen> what do yo want to do with it?
<samueldr> replace my main desktop for daily use
<gchristensen> huh, I'd be surprised that is feasible with a $100 computer
<samueldr> I know full well the CPU will be weaker, but AFAICT from using an RK3288 board, it's probably good enough
<samueldr> though the 4GB ram may be strained
<gchristensen> wow :D
<samueldr> RK3288 has decent chromium perfs (armv7l on archlinux)
<samueldr> wow what?
<gchristensen> jst
<gchristensen> computers are amazing
* samueldr is confused at jst
<gchristensen> just*
<samueldr> oh right
<gchristensen> > Linux Mainline 4.19+
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected ')', at (string):192:1
<samueldr> and RK3288 AFAICT is like being two generations behind
<gchristensen> so an unstable kernel
<samueldr> AFAICT is that the mainline stuff has reached 4.19, but the board isn't released yet!
<samueldr> and imho, mainline on ARM is aready better than the base expectation :(
<gchristensen> oh?
<gchristensen> not sure I know what you meant to say
<samueldr> mainline will often get hardware support through contributors not affiliated with the manufacturers, OEMs or integrators
<samueldr> while this looks like either libre.computer or rockchip had a hand at bringing mainline support (haven't looked deeply yet)
<gchristensen> gotcha
<samueldr> oh, kernel 4.19 is going to be the next LTS it looks like
<samueldr> (I was looking for the predicted release date)
<grw> samueldr: i had one of those, unfortunately the magic smoke got out :(
<samueldr> grw: the elite or not-elite?
<gchristensen> ouch
<samueldr> (though yeah, ouch)
<grw> not exact model, another rk3399
<grw> sapphire eval board
<samueldr> oh, so unrelated :/
<samueldr> (except by RK3399 and base platform similarities)
<samueldr> touching wood that you had a dud
<grw> theyre all just a .dts away no?
<samueldr> hopefully!
<samueldr> (makes things easier in the end for everybody)
<gchristensen> oh I assumed grw did something to let the smok out
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<gchristensen> grw: did it just do it on its own?
<grw> yes it was my fault
<samueldr> oh!
<samueldr> I assumed you were saying "the damn machine can't even keep the smoke in for normal use"
<samueldr> grw: impressions? good and bad (especially bad)
<grw> no i shorted 12v against some part of the board
<samueldr> that ought to sting
<grw> this was before mainline was working well i think, only used android
<samueldr> I'm planning to use it just like I would a NUC, but with aarch64
<gchristensen> NUCs are surprisingly expensive
<samueldr> or NUC-like computers
<grw> i hope that i just damaged something non-essential and i can rescue it somehow
<samueldr> one good thing about the indiegogo pre-order is they all come wiht a case (a fine looking one)
<samueldr> (I kinda dislike abusing crowdfunding pages for pre-orders :/)
<grw> it looks like a nice board
<samueldr> yeah, I'm trying to talk myself *out* of getting one :)
<gchristensen> it is going to be disappointingly slow and not a suitable replacement for yor desktop.
<samueldr> though dogfooding arm, now aarch64 has been something I want to do for a while
<gchristensen> (hows that?)
<samueldr> now I wand to prove you wrong :D
<samueldr> want*
<gchristensen> I'm sure it can be pleasent
<grw> i wonder how functional the pcie is. could make a good router with sfp+ nic
<samueldr> though I was looking more for technical issues I would have missed
<grw> that was my plan for it
* samueldr searches for a pricetag
<samueldr> >> GIGABYTE does not publish pricing of the ThunderXStation, but we have reached out to PhoenicsElectronics and will update the story once we get more information on the matter.
<samueldr> on a need to know basis
<gchristensen> more than 3 $'s
<samueldr> I can smell the order of magnitudes
<samueldr> though, as stated previously, this is a replacement for the daily routine, I intend to keep the firepower around and networked ready to use
<samueldr> thanks for rubberduck debugging my issue :) I'll sleep on it and think more about it
<gchristensen> iirc andi- found a cavium workstation
<grw> $10k i think :S
<samueldr> the starling is a no-go, no 1440p or 4k 2x monitor output
<gchristensen> sounsd right
<gchristensen> starling is a server :)
<samueldr> :)
<grw> they have another for ~1300 though, uses old thunderx chip though
<grw> think it is a lot slower
<grw> it looks like starling is first gen too
<gchristensen> first gen gets you slow clock but lots of cores
<samueldr> if I was into the market of getting a local build farm they would be more interesting alternatives
<samueldr> the 96boards workstation is the first one you linked I hadn't seen
<samueldr> had seen other boards from them, but not that workstation
<grw> SOC only uses 5W power
<grw> so crazy :)
<grw> must be slow though
<samueldr> >> Renegade Elite is designed from the ground up as a high performance solution using up to 15W
<samueldr> are they using fudgy maths?
<grw> the workstation i mean
<samueldr> (I have so much to learn on the hardware side)
<samueldr> yeah, uh, let me rephrase: would the renegade elite really use 15W?
<samueldr> if that 24-core Cortex-A54 uses a third of the power?
<grw> i think so, if you really push it
<thefloweringash> What’s the cooling situation like? A rockpro64, for example, has a mount for a heatsink and fan.
<grw> rk3399 has GPU, a72 cores and almost double the clock
<samueldr> thefloweringash: AFAICT the case serves to sink some heat
<samueldr> otherwise nothing specific in sight
<samueldr> it seems to sit the CPU on the case
<andi-> gchristensen: I didn't buy the other one we talked a out last year/early this year because the vendor wasn't really helping in regards to openbmc etc.. And I would probably not do it differently when looking at them this time around.
<andi-> Regarding workstation: I would probably get two boxes... One aarch64 box for compute and one box where GPU doesn't mean outdated, insecure & bloby kernels
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