ChanServ changed the topic of #nixcon to: Nixcon 2020 Online is happening Oct 16-17! https://2020.nixcon.org
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<zimbatm>
qyliss: edef: puck: what do you think of using NixFriday to test the infra this friday?
<zimbatm>
I could do the stream and then direct all the viewers to the DASH
<zimbatm>
test the OBS setup
<qyliss>
This friday might be a bit short notice. wdyt puck?
<zimbatm>
on your end I think the main thing would be to look at the system usage
<zimbatm>
and give me the details on how to connect with OBS :D
<puck>
qyliss: it should be doable tbh
<puck>
zimbatm: yeah, it'll mostly be "point OBS at rtmp address"
<zimbatm>
+
<zimbatm>
worldofpeace: if you want to do the intro, you're welcome to join. Otherwise we can do that another time
<zimbatm>
I guess we also want to test the Jitsi version as well
<puck>
yeah
<puck>
i got jibri to work
<puck>
so we can stream the jitsi into the other stream as well
<qyliss>
edef mentioned that we'd be doing some HTTP caching for DASH stuff, of which we currently do none
<qyliss>
I wonder if we could get something like that going for Friday
<puck>
qyliss: maybe, but we're doing similar stuff already
<qyliss>
we are?
<puck>
or well
<puck>
we should add one more tier of machines
<zimbatm>
could Fastly be used for that? the NixOS org has a free plan
<puck>
hrm, do you have "Full-Site Delivery"?
<puck>
or well, hrmm
<puck>
they have streaming support
<qyliss>
puck: are DASH files served while still being written?
<puck>
qyliss: no
<qyliss>
so in that case, any CDN than fetches + stores should work, right?
<puck>
yeah. we need a tiny bit of config, to ensure the manifest is not cached as hard
<zimbatm>
puck: what is "Full-Site Delivery"?
<qyliss>
could probably just not cache the manifest even
<puck>
zimbatm: hrmm, i think you do, since fastly has no rfee tier
<puck>
zimbatm: so yeah, i suspect we could probably front this with fastly
<qyliss>
that would be cool
<zimbatm>
it's probably a matter of tweaking the VCL properly
<puck>
yeah
<zimbatm>
I will ask the NixOS org, otherwise we can get a temporary account with sponsor money
<puck>
mhm
<puck>
if the fastly account doesn't work, we'll probably just run our own full infra?
<qyliss>
Yeah if we're paying for it anyway we should look at all our options
<zimbatm>
wouldn't it be a good demo of your infra?
<zimbatm>
the nixos org fastly account is secured so it might be a pain to do the config
<puck>
zimbatm: the config we need is pretty trivial, e.g. i could send it to you
<puck>
suspect we can get away with less caching anyways, for now
V is now known as v
<qyliss>
zimbatm: not sure I understand
<qyliss>
I just meant that if we'd have to pay for Fastly, we might be better off using e.g. whatever GCP provides since our VMs are there
<qyliss>
but I possibly misunderstood something
v is now known as V
<zimbatm>
qyliss: it's probably me that doesn't understand what mutable can do
<zimbatm>
since it's running on the edges, my assumption is that it can also work as a cache
<qyliss>
zimbatm: mutable isn't doing anything but providing labour
<qyliss>
oh I see
<qyliss>
I don't work for mutable
<puck>
zimbatm: we won't be running on mutable for now
<zimbatm>
ok
<zimbatm>
I will let you know when/if I have a reply
<zimbatm>
(for fastly)
<puck>
ty!
<nbathum>
gchristensen: the program is published to our site: https://2020.nixcon.org/#program and I fixed (mostly) the sponsoring page
<gchristensen>
great! thanks!
<worldofpeace>
so doing that on nix friday zimbatm, we have GO / NO-GO meeting on Friday also 🤣 ahh, this is like one of those moments like "what the hell do you think you're doing with all these responsibility? because I like them!"
<worldofpeace>
3:00PM EDT
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<Henson>
how are talks submitted to Nixcon? Are they pre-recorded and then played back for the conference?
<nbathum>
for nixcon this is the first time hosting it virtual
<nbathum>
we're not sure what mix will happen, of live presentations vs pre-recording
<Henson>
ah, ok
<nbathum>
here is our thoughts though
<Henson>
are the speaker slots almost filled up? I looked at the schedule and it seems like there are only maybe 2 or 3 slots left.
<nbathum>
live presentation is fine (and majority talks will have normal QA)
<nbathum>
yes they are nearly full
<nbathum>
you should submit something if you're considering it!
<nbathum>
afaik we're anticipating one other submission, so if you had a talk it could be on the schedule
<nbathum>
pre-recording a presenation is probably going to be easier for us to manage, and offer a bit more of a polished experience
<Henson>
yeah, I bounced the idea off gchristensen this morning, and he said people might enjoy the talk. I use NixOS and Nixops (and have worked with gchristensen and adisbladis) for deploying software to remote computers for a baseball tracking system
<nbathum>
and our expectation is that the speaker would be present during their broadcast slot, so they could interact with the viewers
<nbathum>
oh sweet!
<Henson>
ok, thats kind of what I was thinking, too. Pre-record the video to have something better than a web-cam quality presentation, and then be there to answer any questions after the talk is over.
<Henson>
I'll go ahead and submit my presentation idea, then
<nbathum>
the broadcast system for a pre-recorded video would mean that OBS ingests the media. I can't speak to exactly what encoding/containers that supports
<nbathum>
excellent
<puck>
nbathum: doesn't really matter, tbh
<Henson>
what's OBS?
<puck>
open broadacster software, a really nice tool for doing recordings and streaming with
<Henson>
ah, ok. I can transcode it to whatever format would be necessary.
<Henson>
am I able to change the abstract or other details once I submit it? I'm wondering how much effort I need to put into getting all of the detail correct before I hit the submit button.
<Henson>
what presentation format do you think would be good? Slides with a voiceover, or a picture-in-picture of them giving the presentation?
<nbathum>
yes you can change those details
<nbathum>
both could be effective. do you think one suits you or your presentation better?
<Henson>
I'm just trying to get ideas for presentation styles for online conferences. I've given lots of talks before, they're just always in-person talks with me standing in front of a projector screen. I'll put some thought into the best way to convey the contents of the talk in the time alloted.
<Henson>
just submitted it
<nbathum>
Henson: :+1:
<gchristensen>
I'm sad to not be presenting this year :(
<nbathum>
gchristensen: how about speaker for a few minutes about the NixOS security team?
<gchristensen>
I really can't
<gchristensen>
it is hard for me to find 1 uninterrupted hour to finish the chores around the house, these days
<nbathum>
okay :/ no worries.
<nbathum>
what do you think about the notion of having the various NixOS teams speak a bit? just like briefly, could say a bit about what the team does
<__red__>
gchristensen: I heard yesterday - congratulations and welcome to parenthood :-D <3
<gchristensen>
thanks :)
<__red__>
Your first?
<Henson>
gchristensen: congratulations!
<fzakaria>
2nd kid paternity way way way way better.
<fzakaria>
I just finished my last day of paternity for 2nd kid.
<fzakaria>
Like an awesome sabbatical
<__red__>
An awesome sabatical that you didn't do any work in right? :-)
<nbathum>
gchristensen: 3rd those congrats
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