ChanServ changed the topic of #nixcon to: Nixcon 2020 Online is happening Oct 16-17! https://2020.nixcon.org
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<zimbatm> qyliss: edef: puck: what do you think of using NixFriday to test the infra this friday?
<zimbatm> I could do the stream and then direct all the viewers to the DASH
<zimbatm> test the OBS setup
<qyliss> This friday might be a bit short notice. wdyt puck?
<zimbatm> on your end I think the main thing would be to look at the system usage
<zimbatm> and give me the details on how to connect with OBS :D
<puck> qyliss: it should be doable tbh
<puck> zimbatm: yeah, it'll mostly be "point OBS at rtmp address"
<zimbatm> +
<zimbatm> worldofpeace: if you want to do the intro, you're welcome to join. Otherwise we can do that another time
<zimbatm> I guess we also want to test the Jitsi version as well
<puck> yeah
<puck> i got jibri to work
<puck> so we can stream the jitsi into the other stream as well
<qyliss> edef mentioned that we'd be doing some HTTP caching for DASH stuff, of which we currently do none
<qyliss> I wonder if we could get something like that going for Friday
<puck> qyliss: maybe, but we're doing similar stuff already
<qyliss> we are?
<puck> or well
<puck> we should add one more tier of machines
<zimbatm> could Fastly be used for that? the NixOS org has a free plan
<puck> hrm, do you have "Full-Site Delivery"?
<puck> or well, hrmm
<puck> they have streaming support
<qyliss> puck: are DASH files served while still being written?
<puck> qyliss: no
<qyliss> so in that case, any CDN than fetches + stores should work, right?
<puck> yeah. we need a tiny bit of config, to ensure the manifest is not cached as hard
<zimbatm> puck: what is "Full-Site Delivery"?
<qyliss> could probably just not cache the manifest even
<puck> zimbatm: hrmm, i think you do, since fastly has no rfee tier
<puck> zimbatm: so yeah, i suspect we could probably front this with fastly
<qyliss> that would be cool
<zimbatm> it's probably a matter of tweaking the VCL properly
<puck> yeah
<zimbatm> I will ask the NixOS org, otherwise we can get a temporary account with sponsor money
<puck> mhm
<puck> if the fastly account doesn't work, we'll probably just run our own full infra?
<qyliss> Yeah if we're paying for it anyway we should look at all our options
<zimbatm> wouldn't it be a good demo of your infra?
<zimbatm> the nixos org fastly account is secured so it might be a pain to do the config
<puck> zimbatm: the config we need is pretty trivial, e.g. i could send it to you
<puck> suspect we can get away with less caching anyways, for now
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<qyliss> zimbatm: not sure I understand
<qyliss> I just meant that if we'd have to pay for Fastly, we might be better off using e.g. whatever GCP provides since our VMs are there
<qyliss> but I possibly misunderstood something
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<zimbatm> qyliss: it's probably me that doesn't understand what mutable can do
<zimbatm> since it's running on the edges, my assumption is that it can also work as a cache
<qyliss> zimbatm: mutable isn't doing anything but providing labour
<qyliss> oh I see
<qyliss> I don't work for mutable
<puck> zimbatm: we won't be running on mutable for now
<zimbatm> ok
<zimbatm> I will let you know when/if I have a reply
<zimbatm> (for fastly)
<puck> ty!
<nbathum> gchristensen: the program is published to our site: https://2020.nixcon.org/#program and I fixed (mostly) the sponsoring page
<gchristensen> great! thanks!
<worldofpeace> so doing that on nix friday zimbatm, we have GO / NO-GO meeting on Friday also 🤣 ahh, this is like one of those moments like "what the hell do you think you're doing with all these responsibility? because I like them!"
<worldofpeace> 3:00PM EDT
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<Henson> how are talks submitted to Nixcon? Are they pre-recorded and then played back for the conference?
<nbathum> hello Henson
<Henson> nbathum: hello
<nbathum> we use pretalx for managing talks. you can submit with this link: https://cfp.nixcon.org/nixcon2020/cfp?access_code=MORENIX
<nbathum> for nixcon this is the first time hosting it virtual
<nbathum> we're not sure what mix will happen, of live presentations vs pre-recording
<Henson> ah, ok
<nbathum> here is our thoughts though
<Henson> are the speaker slots almost filled up? I looked at the schedule and it seems like there are only maybe 2 or 3 slots left.
<nbathum> live presentation is fine (and majority talks will have normal QA)
<nbathum> yes they are nearly full
<nbathum> you should submit something if you're considering it!
<nbathum> afaik we're anticipating one other submission, so if you had a talk it could be on the schedule
<nbathum> pre-recording a presenation is probably going to be easier for us to manage, and offer a bit more of a polished experience
<Henson> yeah, I bounced the idea off gchristensen this morning, and he said people might enjoy the talk. I use NixOS and Nixops (and have worked with gchristensen and adisbladis) for deploying software to remote computers for a baseball tracking system
<nbathum> and our expectation is that the speaker would be present during their broadcast slot, so they could interact with the viewers
<nbathum> oh sweet!
<Henson> ok, thats kind of what I was thinking, too. Pre-record the video to have something better than a web-cam quality presentation, and then be there to answer any questions after the talk is over.
<Henson> I'll go ahead and submit my presentation idea, then
<nbathum> the broadcast system for a pre-recorded video would mean that OBS ingests the media. I can't speak to exactly what encoding/containers that supports
<nbathum> excellent
<puck> nbathum: doesn't really matter, tbh
<Henson> what's OBS?
<puck> open broadacster software, a really nice tool for doing recordings and streaming with
<Henson> ah, ok. I can transcode it to whatever format would be necessary.
<Henson> am I able to change the abstract or other details once I submit it? I'm wondering how much effort I need to put into getting all of the detail correct before I hit the submit button.
<Henson> what presentation format do you think would be good? Slides with a voiceover, or a picture-in-picture of them giving the presentation?
<nbathum> yes you can change those details
<nbathum> both could be effective. do you think one suits you or your presentation better?
<Henson> I'm just trying to get ideas for presentation styles for online conferences. I've given lots of talks before, they're just always in-person talks with me standing in front of a projector screen. I'll put some thought into the best way to convey the contents of the talk in the time alloted.
<Henson> just submitted it
<nbathum> Henson: :+1:
<gchristensen> I'm sad to not be presenting this year :(
<nbathum> gchristensen: how about speaker for a few minutes about the NixOS security team?
<gchristensen> I really can't
<gchristensen> it is hard for me to find 1 uninterrupted hour to finish the chores around the house, these days
<nbathum> okay :/ no worries.
<nbathum> what do you think about the notion of having the various NixOS teams speak a bit? just like briefly, could say a bit about what the team does
<__red__> gchristensen: I heard yesterday - congratulations and welcome to parenthood :-D <3
<gchristensen> thanks :)
<__red__> Your first?
<Henson> gchristensen: congratulations!
<fzakaria> 2nd kid paternity way way way way better.
<fzakaria> I just finished my last day of paternity for 2nd kid.
<fzakaria> Like an awesome sabbatical
<__red__> An awesome sabatical that you didn't do any work in right? :-)
<nbathum> gchristensen: 3rd those congrats
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