#nix-darwin on 2020-11-26

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13:52 <dhess> Nixpkgs on Big Sur (and Apple Silicon) seem to be working great for me so far... with one exception. python3.8-regex-2020.6.8 won't build, and I have no idea why.

13:52 <dhess> https://gist.github.com/dhess/e1b2662a6732618b252096e0de3a04d4

13:52 <dhess> anyone got any clues? I don't even understand what it's doing.

13:53 <dhess> I'm using nixpkgs ead04a66392bccddd77effe9d46ca3b7e0e06d95, which includes the tbd fixes for Big Sur.

13:53 <dhess> everything else is building with no issues so far.

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13:57 <dhess> oh is this because of CPython's ctypes stuff?

13:57 <dhess> hmmm probably: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62587131/macos-big-sur-python-ctypes-find-library-does-not-find-libraries-ssl-corefou

13:58 <dhess> relevant: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/22855

13:58 <{^_^}> python/cpython#22855 (by ronaldoussoren, 5 weeks ago, merged): bpo-41100: Support macOS 11 and Apple Silicon

13:58 <dhess> https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/21241

13:58 <{^_^}> python/cpython#21241 (by lawrence-danna-apple, 21 weeks ago, closed): bpo-41100: ctypes: check _dyld_shared_cache_contains_path in find_library

13:59 <supersandro2000> ld: file not found: /usr/lib/system/libcache.dylib for architecture x86_64

14:00 <supersandro2000> yeah you right nvm

14:00 <supersandro2000> 3.10.0a3 would probably include it

14:02 <dhess> it's in 3.9: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/23295

14:02 <{^_^}> python/cpython#23295 (by ronaldoussoren, 1 week ago, merged): [3.9] bpo-41100: Support macOS 11 and Apple Silicon (GH-22855)

14:02 <dhess> but hasn't been backported to 3.8 yet

14:03 <dhess> ok question: is there a way with overlays to replace the python3Packages used by all derivations?

14:07 <supersandro2000> nvm. Don't listen to me 😂

14:07 <supersandro2000> Doesn't python3Packages default to python38Packages right now?

14:08 <supersandro2000> just point it to python39Packages and rebuild everything

14:08 <dhess> yeah, and there's no fix for this for 3.8 at the moment.

14:08 <supersandro2000> you just said that. Derp

14:09 <dhess> I'd prefer not to fork nixpkgs just to work around this, which is what I think you're proposing.

14:09 <dhess> maybe that will work in an overlay? I'll try it.

14:09 <dhess> I suspect there are at least some packages that override it and it won't work for everything.

14:10 <dhess> like anything that does `foo = callPackage foo.nix { python3Packages = python38Packages; };` or similar

14:10 <supersandro2000> pkgs/top-level/all-packages.nix +10477

14:10 <dhess> yes, like I said, would rather not have to fork nixpkgs to fix this.

14:13 <dhess> however, there are so many meta-Python packages in all-packages.nix, it looks kind of unavoidable.

14:21 <dhess> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/105038

14:21 <{^_^}> #105038 (by dhess, 50 seconds ago, open): Python's ctypes broken on macOS Big Sur

14:25 <supersandro2000> Why are you not just using python39 in your config?

14:27 <supersandro2000> and packages that have python as an input need an override

14:29 <dhess> well for one thing, that backport is 4 days old and there's no new 3.9 release yet, so that wouldn't solve my problem.

14:35 <supersandro2000> overlay with a patch?

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21:42 <ProofTechnique> Am I missing something with overlays and the home-manager module? I've got some overlays that ought to work, but trying to use the packages in `home.packages` doesn't seem to work :(

21:42 <ProofTechnique> I don't have `nixpkgs.overlays` set in my config (instead setting `nixpkgs-overlays` in my `NIX_PATH`)

21:44 <ProofTechnique> Actually, huh, I guess they don't work with `environment.systemPackages`, either

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21:45 <ProofTechnique> Oh, it's because setting them with `-I` is _not_ getting passed along to everything else

21:45 <LnL> nixpkgs-overlays or ~/.config/nixpkgs/overlays don't influence declarative stuff

21:46 <ProofTechnique> Oh, really? I thought at least the NIX_PATH one was supposed to, but I guess I was mistaken. I'll set nixpkgs.overlays, then

21:50 <ProofTechnique> Well, that's certainly doing a lot more work than it was doing before :D

21:50 <ProofTechnique> Thanks for the sanity check

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