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<sheeldotme>
Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a systemd service that mounts a remote server using rclone but I get an error telling me rclone can't find fusermount. Does this mean I'll need to create a wrapper? It seems like a pretty standard usecase, so I'm wondering if I'm doing anything obviously wrong.
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<davidak[m]>
HOW can i create a screenshot in the KDE live environment?
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<jboyens>
I'm using nixos-unstable, and trying to use services.offlineimap. The offlineimap.timer systemd unit is getting picked up by systemd, but systemd is seeing the wrong link on the filesystem (the link to the nix store is invalid). I've tried debugging by looking through the nix store and I see the correct unit, but when I attempt to: systemctl start --user offlineimap.timer it complains about a
<jboyens>
non-existent nix store location. When looking through 'systemctl list-unit-files --all' I see some old units that should no longer be loaded still hanging on there (units that used to be active, but have been disabled in my configuration.nix). I guess my question is: Is NixOS using some sort of cache or is the location for the systemd units not being regenerated properly? I'm unsure of how to debug
<Orbstheorem>
Is there any way to search for a package in the binary cache? (e.g. I would like to get the revision of nixpkgs where a given derivation is in the binary cache.)
<Ke>
etu: thanks for your tutorial btw. it's the main reason I started using nixos at home
<Ke>
even though the concept is obviously simple, I did not know it was possible
<Ke>
etu: should impermanence maybe house things like that?
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<Ke>
ie. path mappings for typical use cases
<etu>
Ke: impermanence works for /etc (because it relies on the nixos modules that works for /etc), and home-manager. We've discussed it more than once to try to expand it but it's not as simple as one might think.
<etu>
Ke: Cool :D
<Ke>
ack
<etu>
Maybe it would be fairly easy to add a bit more syntax sugar to create mounts for outside, hmm, I don't have time to think about that now though:)
<etu>
Ke: We were trying out bind mounts for files as well, but that has some bad side-effects that symlinks doesn't :/
<buovjaga>
I managed to get debug output from the petrified script by using in ExecStart ${pkgs.bash}/bin/bash -x. Now looking at the journal dump it is clear that the script's PET_PID=/run/petrified.pid is what is causing the failure. I guess this would also be nice to override in the config file: PET_LIP=/var/cache/petrified/lastip.dat
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[nixpkgs] @peterhoeg opened pull request #99702 โ lazarus-qt5: init at 2.0.10 โ https://git.io/JUN2s
<buovjaga>
Does this mean I would basically have to construct the config file on the fly and refer to nix store paths in it?
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<Reventlov>
Is there some way to automatically remove things that were added to the / but were not added to the .nix, let's say at each reboot, built in in nixos ?
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<Reventlov>
Yeah but I'm not using ZFS (yet) and I was thinking about something builtin (I'm pretty sure I saw something, but I don't remember where exactly)
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[nixpkgs] @Vonfry opened pull request #99704 โ dracula-theme: 1.3.0 -> 2.0 and rename ant-dracula to dracula-theme โ https://git.io/JUNVY
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<eyJhb>
Reventlov: tmpfs :p
<eyJhb>
But else, you need something that can de snapshots
<eyJhb>
Are you running EXT?
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<Reventlov>
Hmmm, someone just found what I was thinking about: the nixos lustrate thing
<Reventlov>
but I might have misunderstood its goal
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<eyJhb>
That is not the same, as far as I can see.
<eyJhb>
In PRINCIPLE, you could have a post mount rm -rf , that excludes some dirs
<eyJhb>
Like /nix, /etc/nixos
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<Reventlov>
I could put /etc/nixos/ inside the NIXOS_LUSTRATE file, as well as my home, and during the stage 1ย everything would be moved and "installed clean", no ?
<eyJhb>
etu: also have some ZFS setup commands as well
<jasom>
eyJhb: just buy more ram when that happens
<eyJhb>
jasom: maxed out at 16 GB :(
<Ke>
maybe though eating ram can be fixed by reboot, if you have something spewing nonsense at busyloop speeds
<jasom>
eyJhb: ewww
<eyJhb>
laptop from 2012, give me a break jasom :p
<Ke>
well I guess files can be removed as well
<jasom>
eyJhb: okay that's pretty good for a laptop from that era
<eyJhb>
But there really is no benefit of doing it tmpfs, besides not having to use ZFS :p
<Ke>
for my part I have not seen any issues
<eyJhb>
Unless you don't have a SSD I guess
<jasom>
you could write an initramfs that reformats your root on boot I suppose
<eyJhb>
jasom: It is quite beast in many areas, and runs like a charm. I miss a couple of things, but I will ride this out till it dies, just like my OnePlus One
<Ke>
or use btrfs
<Ke>
there are like billions of solutions
<Ke>
just rm -rf instead of reformat
<jasom>
buy a new hard drive every time you boot and replace it
<Ke>
best so far
<jasom>
it's the only way to be sure!
<jasom>
but more seriously; a FS that supports snapshots (zfs or btrfs) or using tmpfs are ground that have been ploughed already for you
<eyJhb>
You can also go more insane, and setting NOSUID+NOEXEC on everything except /nix
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[nixpkgs] @jonringer opened pull request #99705 โ python3Packages.azure-mgmt-commerce: use fetchpypi โ https://git.io/JUNrW
<Reventlov>
(linux was made as a personal project for fun :p)
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[nixpkgs] @FRidh pushed 450 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/JUNoF
<yorick>
argh, waybar font size changed
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[nixpkgs] @FRidh opened pull request #99709 โ Staging next โ https://git.io/JUNoN
<sphalerite>
Reventlov: sure, but tmpfs is a lot better suited for the job.
<Reventlov>
implying you have enough ram
<sphalerite>
tmpfs and a swap partition or file :)
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<joesventek>
I'm intrigued. I wonder how much actually is "enough ram" to make use of tmpfs for / and /home.
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<joesventek>
Hmm. impermanence uses bindfs to mount the persistent stuff. So it would actually just be the temporary files eating up ram.
<sphalerite>
joesventek: I'd say it depends entirely on what you're keeping out of it.
<sphalerite>
yep
<sphalerite>
I'd guess it would easily fit in 100MiB if you have persistent ~/.cache, /var/cache, and /var/log. Depends on which applications you're using and such,
<sphalerite>
of course
<joesventek>
I think I might get away with it even on my old x220 with just 8gigs of ram.
<joesventek>
I guess I just have to give it a try.
<joesventek>
Is there any significant overhead in "storing" files on tmpfs? Or is actual file size equal to ram consumed by the file on tmpfs?
<Ke>
joesventek: for me about 30MiB is enough for rootfs
<Ke>
none 2.0G 30M 2.0G 2% /
<Ke>
none 2.0G 31M 2.0G 2% /
<dutchie>
woo i solved it \o/ ty Mic92
<dutchie>
i'll update my post in the discourse
<Ke>
none 2.0G 30M 2.0G 2% /
<Mic92>
you are welcome
<dminuoso>
Hah, so it occured to me, that running nixos for critical systems could be an interesting idea. Idea being, that the semantics are so exotic with lots of read-only filesystems, that the likelihood of damage is lower.
<Ke>
none 2.0G 42M 2.0G 3% /
<Ke>
/home, /tmp, /nix, /mnt/persist and /var/log on persistent media
<Ke>
/ /tmp not really needed to be normally, but our use case is aggressively storing stuff on /tmp
<dutchie>
i wonder if i should file a bug about overrideAttrs not playing nice with buildGoModules
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<joesventek>
Ke, nice.
<joesventek>
Thanks for the info.
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[nixpkgs] @NorfairKing opened pull request #99713 โ smos: init at 0.1.0 โ https://git.io/JUNDm
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<karanixafa>
Hi, how to use a package from an overlay inside packageOverrides in config.nix?
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<solene>
it seems no time server is defined by default and the generate-nixos-config script doesn't produce a file with time server daemons even in comment. Is there a reason?
<solene>
having ntpd or chrony running is quite important for a computer connected to a network
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<solene>
desktops are greats examples of meta packages IMO
<DropsOfSerenity>
Hi all, is nix-shell known to be slow or am i doing something wrong? I have a c project with minimal dependencies, on my other linux systems it builds in 1 second, on nix using nix-shell it builds in 6.5-7 seconds
<DropsOfSerenity>
it depends on libgl, libxi, and x11, and i'm using gcc to build
<solene>
DropsOfSerenity: I think lot of additionals checks are done, which are time consuming
<__monty__>
solene: Hmm, I already have something like this. An attrset of things I can separately install as packages but I can't install the set as a package.
<__monty__>
Oh, these are overlays, aren't they?
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<__monty__>
No, I guess they're scopes.
<__monty__>
Ok, will read about those.
<DropsOfSerenity>
solene: oh that's unfortunate is there any way around that, it makes development quiet a hassle as the build times are quadruple or more
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<sphalerite>
DropsOfSerenity: hm, that seems more than expected. Are you running `nix-shell --run make` or running make in an already-open nix-shell?
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<__monty__>
DropsOfSerenity: The short answer is you don't.
<__monty__>
Did you actually observe a timing difference or did you mistakenly compare a failing/incomplete build to a full build?
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<DropsOfSerenity>
nope it's a huge timing difference, it's the first thing i noticed
<DropsOfSerenity>
my full build takes 1 second on all my other machines
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<DropsOfSerenity>
and it's about 6.5 to 7 seconds on nix with nix-shell
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<solene>
do you use ccache for your others machines?
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<DropsOfSerenity>
i don't know it's a very simple build, just `cc some_entry_point.c`
<DropsOfSerenity>
with a few linked libs
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<solene>
DropsOfSerenity: can you check with top(1) if nix-shell or consuming a lot of CPU while you wait?
<solene>
s/or/is
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<DropsOfSerenity>
nix isn't, cc1 uses 100% while it's compiling which is what u'd expect
<DropsOfSerenity>
i'm not using make so it's just a single job
<sphalerite>
hm, any difference with export NIX_HARDENING_ENABLE="" ?
<DropsOfSerenity>
sphalerite: yes
<DropsOfSerenity>
that was it
<DropsOfSerenity>
i suppose that env variable is turning on a bunch of security options during compile?
<DropsOfSerenity>
that immediately put it back down to 1.5s compile
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<__monty__>
worldofpeace: Hmm, I wrapped the set with makeScope but home-manager's still complaining it's not a package. Do I need to transform the set to a buildEnv?
<DropsOfSerenity>
sphalerite: that makes a lot of sense, thank you very much! turns out that flag adds a bunch of options to compilation, which i don't want during development
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<buovjaga>
I am trying runCommand, but getting syntax error: unexpected '"' https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/0881ca7f pointing to this line pkgs.runCommand "petrifiedconf" {} ''
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<buovjaga>
woah, I found a typo in the petrified script itself, PIDMUM instead of PIDNUM in one place
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<jmercouris>
maybe it was for the mother process ID rather than the number
<jmercouris>
you know, like a child thread, mother thread
<jmercouris>
I don't know
<sphalerite>
buovjaga: which line is line 121? :D
<sphalerite>
buovjaga: oh, I see โ pkgs.runCommand is just another way of building a package, commands modifying the filesystem arbitrarily won't work
<sphalerite>
buovjaga: maybe you want to generate the config file in a pre-start script for the petrified service.
<Ke>
builtins.readFile /etc/petrified_key is probably not the right place to have your key, ideally you would be able to separate your secrets from your conf files and put them in an persistent location that is not directly used by your nixos configuration
<Ke>
but not all software supports such things
<Ke>
everything built from nix will be put into /nix/store in files readable by everyone, which is not good for keys and passwords
<kraem>
,locate su
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<Ke>
"that is not acceptable even syntactically"...
<Ke>
and what I mean, is use for secrets ExecStart = "${petrifiedPkg}/bin/petrified -c /mnt/secret/petrified.conf"; and then manage the conf manually, afaik nixos just does not do secret management for you, except slightly for initramfs
<kenshinCH>
hi all. I'm trying to make an expression for a python package with an extension, and `setup.py` complains that a pkgconfig cannot find a dependency. However, I did `pkg-config --variable=prefix xmlsec1` in `preBuild` and the dependency is found.
<buovjaga>
Ke: the config file writing was only for the suspicion that /run and /var/log would somehow be inaccessible, but now that I thought about it more, I don't understand why that would be
<zoranb>
Hi all. What is a difference between `{ nixpkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {} }: let inherit (nixpkgs) pkgs;` and `{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {} }:`? It looks like 2 different levels.
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<sphalerite>
zoranb: no practical difference, except that the former will get you the same thing with both the names nixpkgs and pkgs.
<hsngrmpf[m]>
Have there been any attempts on minifying nixos (reducing the total size of an installation)? I'm interested on generating a small nixos distribution suitable for booting it via network. Maybe in form of an initrd.
<{^_^}>
[nix] @edolstra pushed to master ยซ Shut up some clang warnings ยป: https://git.io/JUNhw
<zoranb>
sphalerite: Is it possible that the former version is from the past, when pkgs did not contain itself? My observation is that former version is in old tutorials, and the new tutorials recommend latter version. Is this the case?
<buovjaga>
Ke: ahhh, nice: I used local tar.gz with modified petrified script for the package source and now without errors being thrown into /dev/null, I can see 'curl: command not found' :)
<buovjaga>
So what's up with that, why should it know about curl?
<buovjaga>
*shouldn't
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<__monty__>
buovjaga: If you don't specify curl as a buildInput it won't be available. Furthermore, if you're building with sandboxing you don't get network access so curl isn't very useful.
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<buovjaga>
__monty__: I did specify it. In this case, the petrified script is run by a timer
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[nixos-hardware] @ehmry pushed 2 commits to reform: https://git.io/JUAfd
<buovjaga>
__monty__: I mean, curl is not used at build time, but used by the script
<__monty__>
Ah, then you'll either have to use a wrapper to change the path or patch the script.
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<buovjaga>
__monty__: yep, feels rather iffy :(
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<__monty__>
buovjaga: Nix cannot divine which binaries you need on the PATH unfortunately. Though it does its best with things like patchELF.
<buovjaga>
ah, but with makeWrapper I can put it in the path
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<afics>
I would like to build the git version of i3status-rust, how would I go about doing that? I tried changing the version string in the relevant nixpkgs file to HEAD, but it still seems to build the latest stable tag o.o
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[nixpkgs] @fgaz opened pull request #99761 โ key: init at 2.6.3 โ https://git.io/JUAOe
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<buovjaga>
Thanks to everyone for the help with the timer! I will reply to my own forum topic later with the working solution and try to credit helpers
<Henson>
is there a way I can get nix-store --import to import paths even if they have unmet dependencies, or to ignore those paths with unmet depenencies?
<simpson>
Alternatively: What are you trying to build and what did you expect to have happen?
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<niksnut>
Henson: no that's not possible
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<bk1603[m]>
I just used `nixos-rebuild switch -I nixpkgs=/local/nixpkgs` expecting that it'd only install packages mentioned in my config.nix, but I just saw `gnome-desktop` being copied from the nix binary cache, and a lot of other things that I know I don't have currently on my system. Is this intended? Did I get something wrong?
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[nix] @regnat opened pull request #4112 โ Don't explicitely pattern-match on the various outputs โ https://git.io/JUA8G
<scott>
is there any way to fetch a single file from a store path in a binary cache, without fetching the entire package? for example, given a file path from `nix-locate`
<scott>
i'm skeptical that it's possible, but it would be interesting if i could make it fast to peek into packages i don't have while researching certain types of standard files, like appdata.xml or something
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[nixpkgs] @jonringer pushed commit from @matthuszagh to master ยซ pythonPackages.python-csxcad: init at unstable-2020-02-18 ยป: https://git.io/JUAzW
<litschi>
Hey, after rebuild switch I get an error switchung to ne new generation. The Last message I get is "Detected unsafe path transition /etc โ /etc/NetworkManager during canonicalization of /etc/NetworkManager.". I could't find anything online. Someon an Idea how 2 fix?
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[nixpkgs] @matthuszagh opened pull request #99880 โ pythonPackages.python-openems: init at unstable-2020-02-15 โ https://git.io/JUAgq
<solene>
cole-h: thank you. I'll go fir nix-index, I don't want to build that package to see the installed files :)
<cole-h>
I don't know if nix-index allows you to list all files of a package, though -- it's mostly helpful when you know which file you're looking for.
<solene>
no, it seems nix-index is for finding which package provide a given file
<solene>
if the package is installed, I should run tree in its derivation directory?
<scott>
i pretty much daily use a shell alias that builds a package and then runs `tree` on it. it would be nice if nix-index supported this usecase better, but i haven't had much issue since most packages are small and get GC'd
<evanjs>
cole-h: mmyup. gotta either add stuff to gitignore or append them onto gitignoreSource to ignore them lol
<evanjs>
though it seemed easier to do with nix-gitignore, idk
<scott>
i also have an alias from `nb` to `nix-build --no-out-link "<nixpkgs>" -A` so i can do something like `less $(nb rrootage)/share/licenses/rrootage/README.en` to build the package and view that file in one step
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<solene>
cole-h: building a package to see its files seems to be a huge waste of ressources IMO
<scott>
if nix-locate's `-p` flag was more flexible (e.g. only match an exact package name?) that would be a decent option. you can do stuff like `nix-locate -p rrootage ''`, but it doesn't seem like a well-supported usecase
<pinpox>
hi, trying to boot the gui installer on a system with nvidia card. It starts up fine with all [OK] messages, but hangs when trying to start the x server
<pinpox>
is there any known issue with nvidia cards regarding the installer?
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[nixpkgs] @risicle opened pull request #99891 โ [20.09] matplotlib: Disable LTO on darwin. โ https://git.io/JUAPy
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<pinpox>
Would the nomodeset option help?
<pinpox>
I guess it shouldnt really matter for the instlal
<risson>
Hey! I'm trying to nix copy --to s3:// and then nix copy --from s3:// from another computer, but it seems the right ACLs (public-read) are not set on the objects uploaded by nix, even though my bucket is by default public-read
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<risson>
It's going to be very annoying very soon if I have to reset the ACLs on all the objects I'm uploading, and I couldn't find anything in Nix's configuration for settings those ACLs
<pinpox>
lassulus: gchristensen Will that error prevent the system to boot? In that case I would like to fix it before leaving the installer
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<lassulus>
puh hard to say, never saw this error before
<lassulus>
seems like a grub-install error
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<samueldr>
pinpox: EFI install you set the device as "nodev" for grub
<samueldr>
you should set*
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<samueldr>
the device for grub is really for embedding the legacy boot component
<samueldr>
(I wonder if the module should assert on that condition... though I guess it doesn't because it's fasible to install both legacy AND UEFI with the module?)
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<pinpox>
It's set to nodev
<pinpox>
seems to bee booting, it's now hanging on a dhcp job
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<pinpox>
Hm, maybe I messed up the interface name
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<samueldr>
oops, pinpox, sorry I misread the error log
<samueldr>
a similar error message often happens for that scenario
<samueldr>
I think it's just grub being annoyingly verbose about its disk detection
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace merged pull request #99897 โ [20.09] nixos/installer: drop the extra nixUnstable in nixos-install โ https://git.io/JUASA
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[nixpkgs] @worldofpeace pushed 2 commits to release-20.09: https://git.io/JUAQL
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[nixpkgs] @andir opened pull request #99901 โ nixos/security/acme: order after nss-lookup.target โ https://git.io/JUAQ1
<gchristensen>
oooh
<infinisil>
oooooh
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<cole-h>
oooooooh
<lassulus>
oooooooooh
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[nixpkgs] @andir opened pull request #99902 โ firefox: ensure pipewire is only enabled with wayland & webrtc โ https://git.io/JUA78
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<cyphase>
oooooooooooh
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<davidak[m]>
has someone done an upgrade from 20.03 to 20.09 and use KDE or GNOME? did you encounter any issue? this information is needed for the release https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/99648
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#99648 (by worldofpeace, 1 day ago, open): QA ISO images
<evanjs>
how exactly are we supposed to use `nix-copy-closure --sign`?
<evanjs>
it doesn't appear in the manual and nothing I try seems to work
<davidak[m]>
of course, when you encounter any issue, you should create an issue, so it can be solved
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[nixpkgs] @arianvp merged pull request #99901 โ nixos/security/acme: order after nss-lookup.target โ https://git.io/JUAQ1
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<emily>
dminuoso: sorry that PR is somewhat dormant... planning to come back to it now that the ACME refactor is done, but still busy setting up other machines