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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #54256 → autoconf-archive: 2018.03.13 -> 2019.01.06 → https://git.io/fhBnD
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fhwv6
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #54237 → acpica-tools: 20181213 -> 20190108 → https://git.io/fh45b
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fhwv7
<pbb> Hi, I am packaging a software that depends on the .git folder being present at build time, is there a way to do a full git clone instead of fetching a tarball?
<bgamari> mpickering had a fairly good understanding of this IIRC
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<infinisil> pbb: What needs .git? If you can, you should patch the thing that needs it not not need it
<DigitalKiwi> my kde powermanement false as of recently does anyone know about this?
<DigitalKiwi> fails*
<infinisil> pbb: And if you really can't patch it (or it's too cumbersome), you can pass leaveDotGit to fetchgit
<pbb> I think that's what I want to do: The application runs git describe to embed the commit used into the result
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<infinisil> Yeah I thought so, that's what a lot of them do
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danbst closed pull request #48708 → oraclejdk: 8u191 -> 8u192 → https://git.io/fxrYi
<infinisil> What they *should* do is fallback to an environment variable $FOO_VERSION or so, and fallback to "unknown" if that's not set either
<pbb> yeah I should fix that, it's actually my application
<mpickering> bgamari: What do I understand?
<infinisil> pbb: Hehe I see
<bgamari> mpickering, when to use .override vs when to use .extend
<mpickering> I always use extend tbh
<mpickering> Do you mean override and then setting overrides?
<clever> bgamari: .override with the same keys, will overwrite previous .override calls, so you can only set the overrides (haskell specific) key once
<clever> bgamari: but .extend will insert another overlay into the list, and mutate it further
<clever> bgamari: this is code i wrote, to take a list of haskell overlays, and apply all of them to a set: https://github.com/input-output-hk/cardano-sl/blob/develop/nix/haskell-packages.nix#L29-L38
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<bgamari> mpickering, right
<bgamari> clever, right
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<bgamari> so in other words you very likely want to use .extend
<bgamari> and not override
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<mpickering> you can manually combine the old overrides together
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<mpickering> but extend is safer I agree
<bgamari> do `.extend` and `.override {overrides=...; }` interact safely?
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<clever> bgamari: i believe .override will undo all extends, but extend will stack ontop of override
<bgamari> alright
<clever> extend might even delete .override, so you cant go the wrong way
<clever> the reason, is that override is added by callPackage
<clever> and callPackage will just re-import and re-run the default.nix with new args
<clever> but extend is within that default.nix, and it isnt aware of the .override attr
<{^_^}> #26561 (by ElvishJerricco, 1 year ago, open): "haskellPackages.extend" and "haskellPackages.override" are incompatible
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<clever> yep, very first paragraph mirrors what i said
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<bgamari> ugh, this looks awful
<bgamari> the problem is that to use the dwarf package set that nh2 proposes you may want to both override (to set the dwarf configuration) as well as extend (to, for instance, override library versions)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danbst merged pull request #48153 → nixos-option: don't abort with shell failures if options are not existant → https://git.io/fxCzE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @danbst pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fhwJX
<elvishjerricco> bgamari: You can do the equivalent of extend using only override
<clever> elvishjerricco: to quote nh2, "It's getting ever more confusing/
<elvishjerricco> clever: How's that?
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<clever> elvishjerricco: its the same as overrideCabal vs overrideAtrs vs overrideDerivation
<bgamari> right, I saw that
<clever> you just need to use them in the right order
<bgamari> but it is indeed awfully confusing and fragile
<elvishjerricco> Yea. The multiple layers of overriding is a bad design
<bgamari> this whole thing feels like a canon aimed at my foot
<clever> just stick to extend, it will remove the problematic override
<bgamari> clever, the problem being that extend isn't actually sufficient for the dwarf case
<elvishjerricco> clever: extend is the problematic one :P
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<clever> bgamari: only ever use override for changing the stuff extend cant change, and do override first
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<elvishjerricco> clever, bgamari: In my opinion is easiest to pretend extend doesn't exist. Then there's never any question about what you should do: override is the only option
<clever> elvishjerricco: that override and compose thing just feels messy, when extend does the same thing more simply
<clever> elvishjerricco: also, anybody that doesnt know of it, will use .override the wrong way and nuke all your changes
<clever> but extend, removes override, forcing them to do it the right way
<elvishjerricco> clever: Except it's not more simple because then doing anything with override becomes complicated
<clever> using extend removes override, so override complexities are gone
<elvishjerricco> My point was that if you DO need override, it becomes more complicated
<elvishjerricco> Override is still quite useful
<elvishjerricco> E.G. overriding all-cabal-hashes
<elvishjerricco> Or GHC
<bgamari> elvishjerricco, indeed, I find myself overriding all-cabal-hashes quite often
<clever> in that case, your likely not wanting to use somebody elses package set?
<clever> so you can start from pkgs.haskellPackages, and do things in the right order
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<elvishjerricco> clever: Just saying that having to keep an ordering like that in mind at all seems more problematic to me
<bgamari> and nh2's dwarf patch will mean that overriding GHC and mkDerivation will also be a pretty common need
<bgamari> I'm really not concerned about a particular use-case right now but rather the overall design that nh2's patch should expose
<{^_^}> #52255 (by nh2, 5 weeks ago, open): ghc: Add `enableDwarf` flag, off by default.
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<elvishjerricco> bgamari: Side note: I hate that patches like that require making the same change to a bunch of GHC expressions :P
<bgamari> In my opinion we should try to base all GHC derivations on a single common nix expression after hadrian becomes the default build system
<bgamari> I think trying to common up the existing expressions would be too much work for too little benefit
<bgamari> but hadrian provides a clean slate
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<mpickering> why do you override an existing package set, could you build a new one from scratch and then extend?
<mpickering> composing extensions manually is horrible
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<nh2> bgamari elvishjerricco: I think there's general consensus that the various ghc .nix files should be merged, just that nobody has done it. I'm quite sure it'd get merged quite quickly as soon as somebody put out a PR that extracts the common bits
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<bgamari> mpickering, me?
<bgamari> there isn't a convenient way to build a package set from scratch as far as I know
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<bgamari> you need to import the haskell-modules/default.nix expression by filename IIRC
<bgamari> which seems horrible
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<clever> bgamari: stack2nix was doing .override and passing it a initialPackages function
<bgamari> mpickering, do correct me if I'm wrong
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<nh2> bgamari: btw I think there are a couple of issues around that discuss that using various types of overrides somehow accidentally deletes .override, but nix's way of doing this override business is pretty opaque to me so I'm no expert on that
<nh2> *nixpkgs
<nh2> so there may be an obvious solution and that we're just using the wrong function
<bgamari> I get the impression that this is still a bit of an open question
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tadeokondrak opened pull request #54522 → Update wine{stable,unstable,staging,mono} → https://git.io/fhwT6
<nh2> yeah possible
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @tadeokondrak opened pull request #54523 → maintainers/maintainer-list: add personal PGP fingerprint → https://git.io/fhwTp
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<hl> hello. 18.09, echo '#include <cstddef>' > x.cpp; clang x.cpp => fatal error: 'cstddef' file not found
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/fhwka
<hl> ????? gcc works.
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<clever> hl: are you using clangStdenv?
<hl> clever: no
<clever> hl: that should make clang work
<hl> I don't want an entirely different stdenv...
<clever> why do you want clang?
<hl> no particular reason?
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<gchristensen> then use gcc
<hl> I don't want to use gcc, I want to use clang
<gchristensen> then use clangStdenv
<clever> hl: then use clangStdenv.mkDerivation
<hl> I don't want a different _stdenv_
<gchristensen> why not?
<hl> there's no need for one. at any rate, what if I want to use both in a given environment?
<simpson> hl: You want merely a different C compiler, right? The path of least resistance involves replacing stdenv.
<hl> it works fine for C.
<simpson> hl: Then you'll get to write a really really interesting Nix expression. Do you have such a package on your hands?
<hl> it doesn't for C++.
<gchristensen> probably because stdenv.mkDerivation is aimed at gcc on linux
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<colemickens> If any XPS13 users have tweaked other i915 module options, please weigh in on this: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/issues/96
<{^_^}> nixos-hardware#96 (by colemickens, 32 seconds ago, open): XPS 13 (9370): Additional i915 flags to set?
<gchristensen> what do they do?
<colemickens> Allow for runtime updates of the GuC (I guess think of it like microcode patching) or enable other powersaving features.
<colemickens> fastboot is about faster/flicker-free boot
<colemickens> not sure about enable_gvt, that's not in the Arch wiki and hard to find on Google.
<colemickens> looks like it related to GPU virtualization: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTg_Setup_Guide
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #54524 → redmine: add missing 'migrate' command prior to starting the application → https://git.io/fhwIj
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<hl> ...clangStdenv doesn't work either.
<clever> hl: how are you using it?
<hl> nix-shell -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {}; clangStdenv.mkDerivation {name="d";buildInputs=[];}'
<clever> nix-shell? nix-build? nix-env?
<simpson> hl: Works here. Can you be more specific?
<hl> ^
<clever> hl: i can reproduce the issue on this end, looking....
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<infinii> Hi, I have an older thinkpad x201 (circa 2010) which I'm fairly certain does not have/use UEFI. Should I be looking for instructions on how to install nixos via BIOS and MBR?
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<clever> infinii: you can still do bios on gpt as well
<clever> infinii: if you want bios on gpt, you just need to add a 1mb bios boot partition, no fs, not mounted, not formatted, then continue the same way you would have with MBR
<clever> basically no reason to ever use MBR
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<infinii> it seems neither is appropriate for GPT+BIOS
<clever> infinii: i would just use fdisk to create a gpt table, with the bios boot partition, optional /boot/, optional /swap/, and the / partition
<clever> the `t` command in fdisk can set the types
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<infinii> why is /boot optional? the install docs say I need to mount /mnt/boot
<clever> infinii: if grub supports the / fs, you can just make /boot/ a dir on /
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<infinii> "if" grub supports? no wonder last night I got a unknown filesystem after rebooting a new installation
<clever> so its just personal choice at that point
<clever> what rootfs did you pick for / ?
<infinii> ext4 as the docs did
<clever> grub supports ext4
<clever> that should work just fine without a /boot/ fs
<infinii> ok, will need to try again when I get home tonight
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ttuegel opened pull request #54525 → Wrap Qt applications → https://git.io/fhwtk
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<samueldr> infinii: only UEFI systems need to mount something at /boot in the installation guide https://stuff.samueldr.com/screenshots/2019/01/20190123214416.png
<clever> samueldr: and weird fs's like zfs or luks or lvm
<infinii> samueldr: noted, thank you
<samueldr> clever: the installation guide does nothing weird :)
<samueldr> but you're right
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<samueldr> small announcement, made a thing to help start a hydra dev instance https://github.com/samueldr/hydra-in-a-bag
<clever> samueldr: hey, i was going to do that! lol
<samueldr> clever: I'll be glad to take comments, critiques, ways to do things better :D
<clever> samueldr: i havent looked at yours yet, but i was wanting to spin up the iohk hydra in qemu, to confirm the module configures things right, and allow testing changes to hydra itself
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<samueldr> ah no, this is entirely runs-on-your-machine thing, made mainly to hack on the web interface
<aanderse> having an issue with my test... probably something silly, hoping someone can point out the obvious
<{^_^}> #54524 (by aanderse, 41 minutes ago, open): redmine: add missing 'migrate' command prior to starting the application
<clever> samueldr: i was also planning to run on the local machine, but just via a qemu guest that is ran from a bash script
<samueldr> everything is self-contained in _db and _data directories inside the hydra-in-a-bag directory (I intend to make it configurable at one point, but uh, right now things are messy)
<aanderse> my test isn't passing... just an error i don't understand
<samueldr> clever: here the hydra-dev-server instance also runs locally, which I think is important to get live reload when hacking on the web parts
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<clever> samueldr: is it using its own private postgres instance?
<samueldr> clever: yes
<clever> nice
<clever> that gets rid of most of the need for qemu
<samueldr> yeah, I kinda want to look into making the database script better since it's... it's old code mutated each project it was dragged through :)
<samueldr> but instead of anguishing for days on those details I decided to just make the damn thing work as best as I could in a two-commands invocation
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<samueldr> aanderse: can you paste the error?
<aanderse> see the partial log
<samueldr> aanderse: those ofborg node apparently haven't been updated to work with the fix for the tests
<jasongrossman> samueldr: Yaks prefer not to be shaved.
<aanderse> samueldr: from months ago i thought i recalled there was a sort of work around for this so you could still run tests... any idea what i'm talking aboutL
<aanderse> ?
<samueldr> aanderse: yes, just searched for it and commented with it
<aanderse> yeah thats the one! thanks :)
<aanderse> oh... now your test has failed an assertion
<aanderse> :\
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pbogdan opened pull request #54526 → tcl: link with libgcc_s → https://git.io/fhwtb
<samueldr> hmm, something might be broken on master :/
<samueldr> aanderse: does the test run fine for you locally?
<samueldr> if so, then you shouldn't be worried, it'll 99% work fine when this is resolved
<aanderse> i'm 99% sure it does. but that was months ago (lost track of this code, just making the PR now even though i wrote this forever ago...)
<aanderse> will test again locally
<samueldr> (sorry, normally I would dig a bit more, but I'm in the middle of something)
<samueldr> (I would dig to see if master really has an issue)
<aanderse> no problem
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pbogdan closed pull request #54526 → tcl: link with libgcc_s → https://git.io/fhwtb
<infinisil> infinii: o/
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jwiegley merged pull request #53702 → nixos/httpd: add options sslCiphers & sslProtocols → https://git.io/fhZll
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jwiegley pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fhwqN
<infinii> infinisil: sorry, been using this irc nick since the 90's
<infinisil> Just saying hi ;)
<infinii> howdy
<infinii> when I saw your name last night, I immediately though of this tiny town in Canada called Innisfil
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<infinisil> Whoa, didn't know that existed :o
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fusion809 opened pull request #54527 → googleearth: adding application launcher and icon → https://git.io/fhwmn
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<jasongrossman> I just assumed infinii was infinisil.
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<infinisil> Hehe
<johnw> if anyone is interested in joining a Skype mini-conf with some fellow Nixers, let me know
<johnw> we'll be on for another hour or so
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout opened pull request #54528 → lib/modules: Change mkAliasOptionModule to use the priority for the alias → https://git.io/fhwYW
<witchof0x20> Anyone else having issues with systemd-cryptsetup-generator in unstable?
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<CMCDragonkai> If you're packaging a package with multiple licenses.
<CMCDragonkai> How do you specify that?
<CMCDragonkai> Is there a way to state `licenses` instead of `license` on the meta?
<infinisil> CMCDragonkai: Just put a list in license
<CMCDragonkai> `license = [ licenses.gpl20 licenses.epl1]`?
<iqubic> Exactly like that.
<infinisil> Yea, or `license = with licenses; [ gpl20 epl1 ];`
<iqubic> What excatly does with do?
<simpson> `with S` brings S's attributes into scope in its subordinate expression.
<ottidmes> in the case of a Nix script, what is the best approach to store some values, knowing that the code following it might crash unrecoverably. I rather not split the script, because 90% of the work would have to be redone. I could write the state to the Nix store, but the Nix path it is stored it would then need to be returned somehow, which brings me to the original problem
<iqubic> Is `with foo` sorta kinda like a map of "\x -> foo.x" over the list?
<simpson> No.
<simpson> > with { x = 42; }; x
<Church-> Hmm, wonder if I should package up my Forth implementation...
<{^_^}> 10
<iqubic> I know that's not even proper nix syntax. I don't know the nix syntax for functions, or lambdas.
<simpson> ...Wait, what.
<iqubic> simpson: Where did that 10 come from?
<iqubic> > x
<{^_^}> 10
<iqubic> I think someone bound x to 10 at some point.
<simpson> > with { unlikelyName = 42; }; unlikelyName
<{^_^}> 42
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aanderse opened pull request #54529 → nixos/httpd: rename apache log files to have a .log file extension → https://git.io/fhwYM
<iqubic> > let x = 420
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting ';', at (string):216:1
<iqubic> I'm not sure how someone set x to 10.
<ottidmes> iqubic: it adds another scope to check for bindings, let and rec attribute sets have the strongest binding, so it will only check the added with scopes if it fails to look it up in them first
<ottidmes> > let foo = 5; in with { foo = 10; }; foo
<{^_^}> 5
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<iqubic> I see. I completely misunderstood that.
<iqubic> But then again, the only time I have ever seen `with` is in system.environmentPackages = with packages; [ hello tar ]
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<ottidmes> iqubic: and with lib; probably
<iqubic> Where does that show up?
<ottidmes> most packages have at least with stdenv.lib; for the metadata, or if they make use of lib in their package, at the top of the file
<simpson> [nix-shell:~/nixpkgs]$ git grep 'with lib;' | wc -l
<simpson> 1956
<rprije> Hmm. Paths seem to be interpered based on whether there's any non-space character following a slash. So how does one specify the root path / ?
<ottidmes> iqubic: quite a few ^ modules have with lib; on top
<rprije> oh, never mind. I just figured it out. "/."
<iqubic> rprije: You can also use `./.`
<ottidmes> iqubic: no, that would give you the current folder
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<ottidmes> > ./.
<{^_^}> /var/lib/nixbot/state/nixpkgs
<ottidmes> > /.
<{^_^}> /
<iqubic> Ah. I didn't think about that.
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<bryan1_> anyone here familiar w/running the nix-install-matrix?
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<johnw> does scons-3.0.4 build for people with nixpkgs-unstable? I'm getting a sha256 mismatch after the latest update
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @CMCDragonkai opened pull request #54530 → dvc: init at 0.24.0 → https://git.io/fhwOi
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<CMCDragonkai> I have a python application that has a bunch of optional dependencies, how best to represent that in the system?
<{^_^}> #54530 (by CMCDragonkai, 8 minutes ago, open): dvc: init at 0.24.0
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<CMCDragonkai> Where there are extra requires.
<carlosdagos> Hi all. Is there a way to set the `hashedMirrors` property in `nixos/configuration.nix`?
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<ottidmes> carlosdagos: if you are OK with having to rebuild a second time to have it take effect, then you could set the NIX_HASHED_MIRRORS env variable, I do know of another way, but that requires some tricks, which you might not like
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<carlosdagos> I'm currently using `nix.extraOptions = ''hashed-mirrors = https:...`
<carlosdagos> can't say that it's working though
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<ottidmes> carlosdagos: should I implement the trick for you?
<carlosdagos> sure, I'd like to know what your other option is
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<ottidmes> carlosdagos: it is untested, but like this: https://gist.github.com/msteen/6741878f8919f8e2363869693e7ef085
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<carlosdagos> wow thanks! I'll give it a shot
<ottidmes> carlosdagos: updated to remove the recursiveUpdate call, a simple // sufficed
<ottidmes> carlosdagos: and, did it work for you?
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<ottidmes> why can't functions be checked for equality in Nix?
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<wedens> you'll have to check all possible inputs
<CMCDragonkai> When using `fetchFromGitHub`, I'm getting a weird error.
<ottidmes> wedens: hmm, guess I have to rephrase the question, how can I check if two values point to the same function?
<CMCDragonkai> Specifically: `cp: -r not specified; omitting directory '/nix/store/wj4qqj4qvinvrgm1njq65klfdh6ngzx6-source'`
<CMCDragonkai> That's weird, why would there be an error from unpacking the sources and using `cp -r`?
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<wedens> ottidmes: you'll have to define equality
<wedens> which requires checking all possible inputs :)
<ottidmes> wedens: function pointer equality I guess
<ottidmes> wedens: I expect builtins.fetchurl == bulitins.fetchurl to be true, but (x: x) == (x: x) to be false
<bryan1_> I'm making a nix release tarball in order to test some trival modifications to the multi-user install script and i'm wondering if i need to make changes to the script if there's a way to prevent nix-builder from recompiling everything. I'm running nix-build release.nix -A binaryTarball.x86_64-linux
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<phizzz> i'm running nixos in a lxc container and the graphical service tries to start and kills my kde session, also nixos getty is messing up logins. how do i disable them in configuration.nix while still being able to console/ssh logins?
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<phizzz> i have tried services.getty@.service = false; but i get the error: syntax error, unexpected '@', expecting '.' or '=', at /etc/nixos/configuration.nix:15:17
<sphalerite> phizzz: systemd.services."getty@".enable = false;
<sphalerite> but you won't be able to do console logins if you disalbe getty
<phizzz> sphalerite: thanks, that's what i was worried about
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<phizzz> so i'm using debian, and after i start the container, and my kde session is killed, if i go to the console, i get my linux login prompt AND the nixos prompt and can't log into either. any suggestions on how to fix this?
<sphalerite> that seems very odd
<sphalerite> how did you create the container?
<phizzz> nixos is trying to take over my tty. all i really want is to access nixos via lxc console or ssh
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<phizzz> i created an empty lxc and copied the tarball nixos-system-x86_64-linux.tar.xz into it. the nixos container boots fine except for the issues i described
<phizzz> maybe i'm doing the container all wrong?
<sphalerite> I think the lxc config is wrong if it's able to take over the ttys
<sphalerite> but wait, I have something that's probably worth doing
<sphalerite> boot.isContainer = true; :)
<Myrl-saki> Can I have some people review #53600 and #54494?
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/53600 (by adrianparvino, 2 weeks ago, open): nixos/modules/system/boot/stage-1.nix: Add support for mounting files encrypted with luks
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/54494 (by adrianparvino, 20 hours ago, open): Support wrapping a file system under LUKS
<clever> phizzz: you also dont need to copy any special images
<clever> phizzz: nix-build '<nixpkgs/nixos>' -A system -I nixos-config=./configuration.nix, will generate the entire closure in the current /nix/store/
<phizzz> thanks sphalerite that built, now is there a way to stop the systemd graphical.target from starting?
<clever> phizzz: `nix copy --to local?root=/var/lib/containers/foo/ /nix/store/foo` will coyp /nix/store/foo from /nix/store to /var/lib/containers/foo/nix/store/
<sphalerite> phizzz: services.xserver.enable = false;
<phizzz> clever: thanks for that tip
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<clever> phizzz: i'm guessing the lxc config you started from, has xserver enabled still
* clever heads off to bed
<phizzz> probably. i'm very new to nixos
<phizzz> i have to reboot to try this, thanks again clever sphalerite. i'll be back, eventually
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<CMCDragonkai> clever: Do you know why some Nix programs gives me this error at the very top (see snippet above)
<jasongrossman> CMCDragonkai: "* clever heads off to bed"
<CMCDragonkai> damn
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @lheckemann merged pull request #53505 → tmuxp: 1.4.2 -> 1.5.0a1 → https://git.io/fhs8k
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<ar1a> hi, how can i install this? https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany without using nix-env. i cant find it with `nix search`!
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<sphalerite> ar1a: without using nix-env?
<ar1a> yeah, i use home-manager
<ar1a> sorry. i worded that awfully
<ar1a> anyways, i think i can just haskellPackages.brittany
<ar1a> oh, nope. it breaks :(
<ar1a> Setup: Encountered missing dependencies:
<ar1a> hspec >=2 && <2.6
<sphalerite> yeah that's the right way to do it… unfortunately haskellPackages doesn't always work >.<
<ar1a> hm, what can i do about it!
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<ar1a> or should i just make an issue on nixpkgs
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @AndersonTorres opened pull request #54531 → Elvish: a small fixup → https://git.io/fhwlb
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<jboy> how do I get powertop tunables to persist across reboots?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl merged pull request #54308 → coq_8_9: 8.9+beta1 -> 8.9.0 → https://git.io/fhEDS
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl pushed to master « coq_8_9: 8.9+beta1 -> 8.9.0 »: https://git.io/fhw89
<infinee_> I know I'm getting ahead of myself as I still haven't completed an installation yet but...if I wanted my root partition to be ZFS. Is that done during the install or does it have to be done post-install?
<jboy> infinee_: formatting partitions definitely happens pre-install
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<infinee_> jboy: I've seen this https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ZFS But is there like an installation doc/howto describing how to install nixos from scratch with zfs?
<jboy> infinee_: nothing official that I know of, but I found individual users' documentation (on blogs and github) helpful when I set up my system.
<jasongrossman> infinee_: I know that page is old, but actually it's all correct, except for some good news: ZFS is now enabled in the installer image.
<jasongrossman> infinee_: If you're familiar with ZFS then it's super easy, and if you're not then the partitioning and setting up the pools is the hard bit, and that's not NixOS specific.
<jasongrossman> infinee_: NixOS is one of the very few Linux distributions that makes ZFS easy. \o/
<infinee_> jasongrossman: I'm not :( I set it up on my freenas like 5yrs ago and have never had to touch it since
<jasongrossman> (Or maybe not \o/ because maybe it would be \o/ if they all did.)
<jasongrossman> infinee_: Well, I find ZFS fun, but you might not. I suggest you make some test pools and play with it before trying to install NixOS on it.
<jasongrossman> infinee_: You can make test ZFS pools backed by files, so it's completely harmless.
<jasongrossman> infinee_: If you need help with ZFS, you can ask here but since it's not particularly a NixOS issue you can also ask at #zfs.
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<Taneb> What's the disadvantage of enabling auto-optimise-store?
<infinee_> jasongrossman: enabled in the installer iso? both minimal and graphical?? maybe I just missed it b/c I was following the website's manual which just shows ext4
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<jasongrossman> infinee_: I think so, yes.
<squidpickles> Trying to nix-build ‘<nixpkgs>’ -A pkgsCross.armv7l-hf-multiplatform.python3.pkgs.cffi, but I get “ #error "LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform (bad gcc/glibc config?).””
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<jasongrossman> Taneb: auto-optimise-store runs a process that takes a significant amount of time ... although I don't imagine that would be a problem for many people.
<squidpickles> It appears to be using headers from the build platform, not the host platform for Python
<squidpickles> any suggestions for how to get buildPythonPackage to use host Python headers for compiling native extensions?
<jasongrossman> infinee_: I can't test here easily, but if you've booted from the installer then just try running any ZFS command (e.g. "zfs") and see whether it exists.
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<infinee_> jasongrossman: thanks I'll try when I get home. I'm not really a tinkerer, just want to get it installed and use it.
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<hpoussin> Hello. I want to use NixOS, and I found a problem in a service. Is it possible to do services overlays, like it is possible to do package overlays? Otherwise, how is it possible to have my patch committed to NixOS? https://pastebin.com/cFqRXA4b
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/fhw0n
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<Taneb> hpoussin: to get it committed to NixOS, you can make a PR to https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs
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<hpoussin> symphorien: thanks. I didn't have the right keyword ('service' instead of 'module')
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<hpoussin> symphorien: however, that's more a replacement than an overlay. overlays are interesting because you can change only one part of the package. luckily, my service to replace is small so that's not a problem
<symphorien> to my knowledge, you cannot replace part of a module
<symphorien> the only other solution to do something more subtle is to fork nixpkgs and rebuild with this fork: nixos-rebuild -I nixpkgs=/path/to/fork
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @nyanloutre opened pull request #54532 → sonarr: -> → https://git.io/fhwuw
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<dotriacontamino> Hi! Does anyone know if the ocaml package is going to be updated soon to 4.07? (is there anyone in particular maintaining this package?)
<symphorien> ocaml 4.07 is available as ocamlPackages_latest.ocaml
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<symphorien> > ocamlPackages_latest.ocaml.name
<{^_^}> "ocaml-4.07.1"
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<Myrl-saki> > ocamlPackages_latest.ocaml.version
<{^_^}> "4.07.1"
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<dotriacontamino> Oh thanks, I didn't know that existed.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to master « pythonPackages.cryptography_vectors: Add meta-attributes »: https://git.io/fhwac
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @wizeman opened pull request #54533 → mfc9340cdw{lpr,cupswrapper}: init at 1.1.2-1 and 1.1.4-0 → https://git.io/fhwaA
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<ivegotasthma> any idea how java development works in nixos? I'm trying to create a spring boot application but it's not in the packages
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to master « maintainers/maintainer-list.nix: Add my OpenPGP keys »: https://git.io/fhwwQ
<ivegotasthma> I'm trying to find packages with `nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -qa nixos.java` but the synthax seems to be incorrect. How do I search for packages in the nix repo?
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<wedens> there is also oracle jdk in unfree
<ivegotasthma> wedens: I know about the online search, but how do I query from my terminal?
<ivegotasthma> with nix-env
<srhb> ivegotasthma: Try nix search java to get started
<{^_^}> [rfcs] @shlevy closed pull request #32 → [RFC 0032] Phase running changes for better nix-shell use → https://git.io/fAZAo
<srhb> It's not exhaustive, but a more pleasant experience than using nix-env -qaP | grep ... when possible
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rvolosatovs opened pull request #54535 → Go 1.10.8 and 1.11.5 → https://git.io/fhwrZ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vidbina opened pull request #54536 → Update ganttproject to 2.8.9 → https://git.io/fhwrl
<ivegotasthma> srhb: awesome, just what I wanted
<ivegotasthma> I forgot where the command was
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<ivegotasthma> is it possible to add the programs.java.enable option to this nix-shell? https://dpaste.de/oo6m/raw
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<wedens> why?
<siers> android emulator keeps asking me for a password :(
<siers> it worked before a restart
<siers> maybe I ought to nuke everything
<wedens> ivegotasthma: it just exports JAVA_HOME afaik
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<ivegotasthma> wedens: I need exactly that
<ivegotasthma> I'm not sure how to set java_home declaratively
<ivegotasthma> besides using that option
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<wedens> ivegotasthma: shellHook = "export JAVA_HOME=${openjdk8.home}/lib/openjdk"
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<ivegotasthma> wedens: from what I can tell mkShell has no shellHook
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<gchristensen> you don't even need shellHook
<gchristensen> just JAVA_HOME = "${openjdk8.home}....";
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<wedens> ivegotasthma: I'm pretty sure it has shellHook ;) what gchristensen suggested also works (just a bit less explicit about intent)
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<ivegotasthma> gchristensen: wedens: thanks!
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<ivegotasthma> how do I inject ${jdk} inside the function? my argument list -> `{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {}, jdk }:`
<ivegotasthma> the jdk package cannot be placed there because it doesn't provide a default value
<gchristensen> pkgs.openjdk8.home
<ivegotasthma> <3
<ivegotasthma> oh yeah, it's namespaced inside the pkgs
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @teto opened pull request #54537 → python3Packages.Kconfiglib: init at 10.36.0 → https://git.io/fhwy2
<wedens> ivegotasthma: consider doing `{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {}, jdk ? "openjdk8" }:` and then using it as `pkgs."${jdk}".home`
<wedens> makes it more flexible
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<gchristensen> I'd skip that until much later when you're actually passing specific packages in
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @hyperfekt opened pull request #54538 → nixos/spotify: init → https://git.io/fhwSN
<ivegotasthma> I'm using `shellHook = "export JAVA_HOME=${pkgs.jdk.home}";`
<gchristensen> that is fine, this is also fine: JAVA_HOME = "${pkgs.jdk.home}";
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<sphalerite> > pkgs.jdk
<{^_^}> "<derivation /nix/store/49y61vday1273hg8rn84m8pxrxlcjwny-openjdk-8u202bga.drv>"
<sphalerite> ivegotasthma: how does it not provide a default value? ^
<sphalerite> oh wait it's not a callPackage thing
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<sphalerite> but -1 on using a string to identify it, I'd suggest doing { pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {}, jdk ? pkgs.jdk }:
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<sphalerite> then you can also callPackage it, and override the jdk with things not in pkgs
<sphalerite> wedens: ^
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<cocreature> How do I check if I’m using multi-user mode?
<Taneb> systemctl list-units "nix*"
<symphorien> cocreature: nix-info
<cocreature> thanks!
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill merged pull request #54440 → musl: 1.1.20 -> 1.1.21 → https://git.io/fhgCe
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill pushed 2 commits to staging: https://git.io/fhw5X
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos closed pull request #54511 → scons: update 3.0.4 hash → https://git.io/fhV1u
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #52738 → rmlint: 2.6.1 -> 2.8.0 → https://git.io/fhJh3
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fhwFE
<fyuuri> Hi. Which emojifont do you use in NixOS? Do the work in the terminal emulator as well? I added emojione to fonts.fonts in my config; but it seems not to work. Do I need to do something after nixos-rebuild switch to load new fonts?
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<siraben> Is it possible to disable a service (e.g. redshift) temporarily?
<gchristensen> how temporarily?
<gchristensen> this might work for you? systemctl --user stop redshift
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<Baughn> gchristensen: I know there's been some work towards reproducible builds. How far has that gotten? (What fraction of derivation outputs are bit-for-bit identical?)
<gchristensen> a great question!
<Baughn> Nobody knows? :P
<gchristensen> Hydra has a "reproducibilty" jobset and can rerun builds to determine how reproducible they are
<gchristensen> but it hasn't run in a few years now, so I don't know. if you'd like to do some quick spot-chehcks you can use Nix's --check flag
<Baughn> I was thinking about all the package manager exploits we've seen lately, and I think I have a partial mitigation -- that is, randomly rebuild packages locally, cross-check with other NixOS instances. (Using a DHT or something. Design details later.)
<Baughn> I'm curious if anyone is already working on that.
<gchristensen> it has only ever been talked about
<Baughn> Oh, I will. :D
<Baughn> What's this threadripper for, if not repeatedly rebuilding an entire OS?
<Baughn> Ok. Well, so far I'm also just talking about it, but I'll take a stab.
<gchristensen> there are companies who run their own hydra for (I think) all of nixpkgs, it would be interesting to have them all contribute hashes
<Baughn> Worst-case it'll at least give us better data on reproducibility.
<Baughn> ...mm, let's start there. Just a systemd service to randomly spot-check and upload to a server I'm running.
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<gchristensen> bashInteractive seems reproducible
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<gchristensen> zsh too
<gchristensen> and file
<gchristensen> Baughn: my understanding is quite a lot of nixpkgs is reproducible, but it'd be good to have firm info
<Baughn> It would.
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<Baughn> I'll start there, and hopefully once the PR is merged we can put a blog post up on nixos.org.
<Baughn> I obviously can't make it run by default.
<gchristensen> sure
<Baughn> ...though I can strongly hint with nixos-generate-config.
<gchristensen> eh?
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<Baughn> gchristensen: I mean, if it turns out to be useful, I'll add it to the commented-out suggestions provided by nixos-generate-config.
<Baughn> That's... probably not the best way to suggest config flags. We need an installer.
<Baughn> Getting ahead of myself, though. Coding first.
<gchristensen> very far ahead of yourself
<simpson> All things are easy in the mind.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda opened pull request #54541 → [WIP] home-assistant: 0.85.1 -> 0.86.1 → https://git.io/fhwAY
* simpson spending past few weeks explicitly constructing 'constructible' category-theory objects
<siraben> gchristensen: seems to work
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<gchristensen> great!
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<{^_^}> [nixos-org-configurations] @edolstra pushed to master « Mirror tarballs in NixOS 18.09 »: https://git.io/fhwpV
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<gchristensen> ,locate ffexecutord
<{^_^}> Couldn't find in any packages
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<LeshaInc> hey guys, why can't i install weechat? https://i.imgur.com/2Ts2jMo.png
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<ben> sounds haunted
<ben> does nix-env -iA nixos.weechat work?
<LeshaInc> no, the same thing
<makefu> can you "cat" derivation?
<makefu> if it is empty then maybe some disk shenanigans happened (unexpected reboot)
<LeshaInc> makefu: empty file
<LeshaInc> how can i fix it?
<makefu> for a quick fix, can you try to nix-store --delete <path>
<makefu> for a complete store fix, you can run "sudo nix-store --repair --verify --check-contents"
<makefu> (this may take some time)
<LeshaInc> thanks, it worked
<makefu> cool!
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @thefloweringash opened pull request #54543 → nix-prefetch-git: propagate errors under --quiet → https://git.io/fhrft
<freusque> Has anyone here got tmux plugins working with Nix(OS) ?
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<nixpkgsnovice> Hello all, I am a bit confused about the cross-compliation infrastructure in nixpkgs, and was hoping one of you would be able to answer some questions.
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<nixpkgsnovice> The documentation states that the splicing approach will eventually be phased out, and the buildPackages is where it's at.
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<nixpkgsnovice> First off, what is wrong with the splicing approach, besides some of the old attribute names? With buildPackages, you only have access to the equivalent of .nativeDrv, it seems.
<nixpkgsnovice> Also, second question might point at the source of my confusion: why can't I access the __spliced and nativeDrv attributes of a derivation brought into scope by callPackage?
<nixpkgsnovice> For example, why can't a typical default.nix contain { go, ... }: ... go.nativeDrv ... ?
<simpson> nixpkgsnovice: What are you building? Can you use the `pkgsCross` stuff?
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<nixpkgsnovice> I've got most of a userspace working with this: import ./nixpkgs { crossSystem.config = "aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu"; }
<nixpkgsnovice> I have some patches for various packages that I have yet to submit upstream, mostly simple stuff like moving dependencies between buildInputs and nativeBuildInputs
<nixpkgsnovice> The trouble that's brought me here is buildGoPackages.
<nixpkgsnovice> For example, given the snippet I provided as default.nix next to nixpkgs, nix-build -A gosu
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<nixpkgsnovice> The issue is in nixpkgs/pkgs/development/go-modules/generic/default.nix
<nixpkgsnovice> I'm here because I feel I don't understand the cross-compilation infrastructure well enough to come up with the best solution.
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<jabranham> what channel does nix-shell use?
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<symphorien> nixpkgsnovice: do you use a recent nixpkgs ? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/50835 is not very old
<{^_^}> #50835 (by Mic92, 9 weeks ago, merged): Go cross compilation
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<vaibhavsagar> jabranham: the `<nixpkgs>` that you have installed
<Mic92> go cross-compiling should work pretty well
<vaibhavsagar> i.e. do `nix-channel --list`
<Mic92> I also have three patches in the pipeline that make rpi3 images cross-compile
<Mic92> on staging
<{^_^}> [nixops] @amemni closed pull request #1060 → EC2: add a physical property for 5th gen instances → https://git.io/fp9ON
<jabranham> vaibhavsagar: that's just "nixos https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-unstable". I'm trying to understand why if I do "nix-shell -p wesnoth" I get 1.14.4 and not 1.14.5
<{^_^}> [nixops] @amemni closed pull request #1061 → EC2: broken ssh-tunneling with NixOs 17.09 → https://git.io/fp93u
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<nixpkgsnovice> I'm checked out past that PR. I've working from an upstream from early January. Nevertheless, I will try on master and report back.
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<nixpkgsnovice> Either way, that PR is related to my confusion about the bigger picture. You've passed go = buildPackages.go_1_11 in at toplevel.
<nixpkgsnovice> The fact that that's necessary (if it is) suggests that buildPackages is less flexible than __spliced, as it doesn't fit in very well with the callPackage pattern
<nixpkgsnovice> Also, one splicing is gone, will the idea be to have expressions like nativeBuildInputs = with buildPackages; [ ... ]?
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<nixpkgsnovice> I've struggled to find documentation on the cross compilation bigger picture past the manual and the source itself
<gchristensen> is it possible to mix nixos-unstable's melpaPackages with an 18.09 nixos-unstable?
<gchristensen> is it possible to mix nixos-unstable's melpaPackages with an 18.09's melpaPackages?
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<sphalerite> gchristensen: should be I think, since it's just a bunch of .el files
<gchristensen> hot dog! with that, I got LSP-mode working!
<hark> how is the /run/keys normally populated?
<gchristensen> that is only used for nixops I think
<Taneb> hark: nixops' deployment.keys is a special option that on deployment copies the keys there
<nixpkgsnovice> Mic92: OOPS. I was using gosu as an example because I thought it was basically a trivial program. Turns out it depends on runc lol. All appears to be working, with a small fix to the gosu expression.
<nixpkgsnovice> Thanks for your help!
<nixpkgsnovice> Nevertheless, my confusion about the choice of buildPackages of __spliced and the lack of availability of the __spliced attribute remains.
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<hark> gchristensen: there is no similar way when not using nixops?
<obadz> HEEEELP! I rebooted after a while and grub gives me some error like 'unknown filesystem' (won't even show me the various prompts)
<sphalerite> obadz: uh oh
<tilpner> obadz: What filesystem should it find?
<clever> obadz: what does `fdisk -l /dev/sdX` say, when ran on the right device?
<sphalerite> obadz: I'd start by booting into an installer and seeing what that has to say abobut the filesystesm
<nixpkgsnovice> Actually I partially take it back. buildGoPackages seems to not work with cgo for cross
<obadz> I booted on a usb stick, nixos-entered, $ NIXOS_INSTALL_BOOTLOADER=1 /nix/var/nix/profiles/system/bin/switch-to-configuration boot
<obadz> ⇒ /nix/store/310wms2626x9vyf09bfdw7fmm5sgv013-grub-2.02/sbin/grub-install: error: unknown filesystem.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Gerschtli opened pull request #54547 → teamspeak_server: 3.5.0 -> 3.5.1 → https://git.io/fhrL4
<obadz> (Deep down it does something like /nix/store/310wms2626x9vyf09bfdw7fmm5sgv013-grub-2.02/sbin/grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/root /dev/sda --target=i386-pc)
<obadz> clever: the right thing..: /dev/sda1 2048 94373887 94371840 45G 83 Linux
<clever> obadz: is there only 1 partition on sda?
<obadz> So the one thing that might have thrown it off is that I used e4crypt
<obadz> but grub 2.02 is supposed to be fine with that..
<obadz> (I didn't encrypt anything on /)
<obadz> clever: there are others but this one contains my / & /boot
<clever> obadz: is boot.loader.grub.enableCryptodisk enabled?
<clever> obadz: also, grub may need partial e4crypt support, to even know what is and isnt encrypted, otherwise, it may just refuse to open the entire fs
<obadz> clever: what's "partial" e4crypt support?
<obadz> clever: isn't enableCryptodisk for full disk encryption?
<clever> obadz: enough to understand that its e4crypt, and to know what is and isnt encrypted
<obadz> clever: I thought version 2.02 had that
<clever> obadz: and is that enabled in nixos's build?
<clever> no results at all
<obadz> boot.loader.grub.enableCryptodisk is false
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<obadz> https://github.com/google/fscrypt has some info, including how to remove the encryption
<obadz> I will try that first and see if that gets me out. I need to exit nixos-enter, and close this client, so wish me luck!
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<clever> obadz: i think your simplest solution is to add a non-encrypted /boot/ partition, mount it to /mnt/boot/, add it to the configuration.nix, and then `nixos-rebuild boot` again
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<obadz> … aaaaaand I'm back.
<obadz> This worked
<clever> obadz: i think your simplest solution is to add a non-encrypted /boot/ partition, mount it to /mnt/boot/, add it to the configuration.nix, and then `nixos-rebuild boot` again
<obadz> I don't really need any encryption on my / so I just removed the flag.
<clever> ah
<clever> i use ext4 for /, luks for the rootfs, which is zfs
<obadz> That was irritating though
<obadz> Thanks for the help :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #54542 → nix-review: 1.0.4 -> 1.0.5 → https://git.io/fhwpy
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fhrm1
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<gchristensen> matthewbauer[m]: here?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to haskell-updates « hackage-packages.nix: automatic Haskell package set update »: https://git.io/fhrYI
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<wedens> hm. when I start emacs via `emacsclient -c -n -a "" file` and emacs server is not already running, my theme becomes messed up (e.g. unreadable text color)
<jabranham> wedens: that's because your theme is loaded before graphical elements are available to Emacs. Add a hook to `after-make-frame-functions' instead
<wedens> jabranham: but exactly the same config doesn't have such problem on Arch machine. what's the difference?
<matthewbauer[m]> gchristensen: yeah!
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<gchristensen> matthewbauer[m]: do you know if we ever backport emacs package updates? like, would it be weird to backporta melpa update?
<jabranham> wedens: Can't say for sure without seeing your setup. Possibly something with how/when Emacs gets started (e.g. before/after X)?
<matthewbauer[m]> nixpkgsnovice: there are some issues with how splicing works... See https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/49526. We should be able to fix them though
<{^_^}> #49526 (by symphorien, 12 weeks ago, open): nativeBuildInputs gives non native dependencies when used with overrides in all-packages.nix
<wedens> jabranham: I've typed the command in terminal
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<jabranham> wedens: do you have X running at all? Or is this from a tty?
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<matthewbauer[m]> gchristensen: That seems reasonable. I think you should be able to just backport those commits like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/f3b18da42da57455c8ba0fa78942dbb23a85c6a0
<wedens> jabranham: and I did the same on Arch. they use slightly different emacs revisions (from master) though
<wedens> jabranham: yeah. that's in X
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<jabranham> wedens: hmm... not sure. If the Emacs server isn't running and you do emacs -a "", I'd expect Arch and NixOS to work the exact same way (and they do, for me :-) )
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<matthewbauer[m]> nixpkgsnovice: also, I don't think there are plans to "phase" out splicing at least not until the immediate issues are addressed. I think we will always need something like splicing behind the scenes... buildPackages should only be used when nativeBuildInputs doesn't work
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mrVanDalo opened pull request #54548 → rustc: mark compileprocess as timeconsuming → https://git.io/fhrOA
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<nixpkgsnovice> matthewbauer: thanks for the clarification! i misunderstood the manual. it's now clear to me that buildPackages isn't meant to completely replace splicing.
<nixpkgsnovice> i'll chime in on that discussion on improving splicing if i come up with anything useful!
<matthewbauer[m]> yeah the manual is a little bit inconsistent in some of this stuff
<wedens> jabranham: I've added this https://paste.ee/p/KuDYB and now it just hangs after loading config when I do `emacsclient -c -n -a "" file`. no frame is being shown
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<jabranham> wedens: you can call "pkill -SIGUSR2 emacs" to get a backtrace that might have useful info?
<obadz> is there a way to tell the new nix build to print the logs like the old nix-build ? (or at least use more than 1 line)
<jabranham> wedens: I've got to run now though. Perhaps the people over in #emacs can be of some use. Good luck!
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<wedens> what's weird is that it starts two `.emacs-wrapped --daemon` processess..
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<xok> Hi all... :-)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #54548 → rustc: mark compileprocess as timeconsuming → https://git.io/fhrOA
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fhrsy
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<xok> I've got a perl web app and want to move it to nginx + perl using nixops...
<xok> can anyone help me with the configurations?..
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<Mic92> wedens: this seems normal
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<neonfuz> so uhh
<neonfuz> just tried installing julia
<neonfuz> and it took forever to compile and run tests, then failed I think the last test
<neonfuz> I'm guessing it's compiling because I'm using nixpkgs-unstable?
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<ToxicFrog> It would be absolutely fantastic if NixOS would (a) mount my filesystems in the right order and, in particular, (b) refrain from creating home directories for users until all filesystems are mounted
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: it should do that if you specify all filesystems as systemd does a topology-sort over the mount paths
<Mic92> it cannot do that for instance if one uses zfs with its own mount mechanism instead of legacy mounts.
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: first of all, I have a lot of filesystems, I would like to be able to just trust `zfs mount -a` to do the right thing.
<Mic92> use legacy mounts
<Mic92> or don't mix zfs mounts with something else
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<ToxicFrog> Mic92: and secondly, this is not in fact the case; if I, for example, set mountpoint=legacy on pool/srv and update configuration.nix to mount it on /srv, it still tries to create /srv/airsonic (the airsonic user home directory) before mounting /srv and the wheels fall off.
<ToxicFrog> (that appears to be part of NixOS's bootup scripts and not something systemd handles)
<Mic92> if you mix systemd mounts with zfs own mount mechanism things will break.
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<Mic92> neonfuz: there seems to be a problem with julia in unstable: https://hydra.nixos.org/eval/1501880?filter=julia&compare=1501862&full=#tabs-still-fail
<Mic92> this problem is not limited to NixOS every linux distribution have this problem. Solaris does mounting differently
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: you have to use systemd mounts for at least some things, though -- AIUI Nix requires you to explicitly specify the mount points for / and (if applicable) /nix, at least -- so this basically boils down to "if you're using zfs at all, use mountpoint=legacy on all of your datasets and specify all of them in configuration.nix"
<ToxicFrog> And this wasn't an issue on SUSE.
<neonfuz> Mic92: thanks
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: This is a known upstream issue. A mount-generator would be required to inform systemd about the mounts that zfs tries to issue.
<clever> Mic92: i think i saw some recent changes to zfs/nixos, that auto-generate mount units for zfs dataset
<clever> s
<Mic92> clever: how would this work? the /etc/fstab is generated statically.
<Mic92> or is this a runtime thing?
<clever> i think its runtime
<Mic92> I think there was a pr on zfsonlinux.
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: a mount generator seems like overkill when you can just make zfs-mount a prerequisite of local-fs.target and then order home directory creation/daemon startup after local-fs
<clever> [root@nas:~]# zfs list -t filesystem -o name,mountpoint
<clever> naspool/gits /home/gits
<clever> [root@nas:~]# systemctl | grep mount
<clever> home-gits.mount loaded active mounted /home/gits
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: no this would be broken. Because zfs might depend on other mounts.
<clever> Mic92: i dont remember setting up anything in nixos for /home/gits/
<ToxicFrog> I've taken this approach in my own configuration.nix and it mostly works, but can't account for things like boot scripts bypassing the systemd dependency ordering entirely and creating home directories willy-nilly
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: oh, good point. That's not an issue for me specifically but it definitely would be in the general case. Thanks for pointing that out.
<Mic92> Ideally you want to have a single source of truth.
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: boot scripts shouldn't do that. systemd will fail if it cannot mount filesystems except if they are marked explicitly as nofail.
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: well, none of the units start up until after local-fs, but I see this in the boot log: "stage-2-init: reviving user 'airsonic' with UID 1001"
<ToxicFrog> and when `zfs mount -a` runs, /srv/airsonic already exists and the mount fails
<Mic92> ToxicFrog Now I see the problem
<Mic92> systemd-sysusers could solve that
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<ToxicFrog> I've set createHome=false for airsonic and on the next reboot (probably this weekend) I'll see if that fixes it
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: after thinking about that it would not solve the problem
<Mic92> you really need to use legacy mounts to avoid this
<ToxicFrog> As noted earlier, legacy mounts do not actually solve the problem, I tried that and exactly the same thing happened.
<ivegotasthma> if I rename a user in my configuration.nix and rename the homedir, would a new homedir be created, or the old one renamed?
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: in that case you can take a look at the activation scripts
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: I think it boils down to update-users-groups.pl that should first try to activate the corresponding mount unit before creating /home
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: like I said, I suspect this is a result of createHome, so I've turned that off for now and we'll see on next boot if that fixes the issue
<clever> Mic92: problem is, i think update-users-groups, runs before systemd has started
<Mic92> clever: likely
<ToxicFrog> Yeah, the boot log shows this happening before systemd startup.
<clever> ToxicFrog: sounds like you just need to add the $HOME related FS's to fileSystems. and also set neededForBoot = true;
<Mic92> this is a tricky one. Now idea how this could be solved
<clever> that flag forces nixos to mount them from the initrd, before activate is ran
<Mic92> *no idea
<ToxicFrog> Mic92: to me, the solution seems really straightforward: don't try to create home directories until after local-fs.target (and probably before sysinit.target)
<ToxicFrog> But there's probably some way that this breaks
<clever> mounting /home from the initrd seems simplest
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: you need to that if a service requires the very same user
<Mic92> and its home
<ToxicFrog> What service requires a user with a home directory but also starts up before local-fs.target?
<ToxicFrog> That seems like a recipe for disaster regardless.
<Mic92> ToxicFrog: I don't know in what order systemd tries to evaluate its plan
<Mic92> maybe it works don't know
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<Mic92> it would require to decouple user creation and home creatoin
<Mic92> *creation
<clever> Mic92: systemd-analyze plot
<ToxicFrog> Hmm. If I set a filesystem as neededForBoot=true, and it can't be mounted for whatever reason, does it panic?
<clever> ToxicFrog: it will ask the user what to do on the console
<ToxicFrog> Ok. Not great if there's no connected console.
<clever> stage-1.nix will grab everything that is neededForBoot, and put it into @fsInfo@
<ToxicFrog> (a bunch of these filesystems are not actually required for the system to boot, but nonetheless I would like them to be mounted early so that init scripts don't stomp all over their mountpoints)
<ToxicFrog> (but if they can't be mounted for whatever reason I would prefer boot to proceed)
<clever> ToxicFrog: the mountFS function on line 318 does the actual mounting
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<clever> ToxicFrog: upon failure, it will run the fail function
<clever> ToxicFrog: oh, i have a nasty idea, boot.postMountCommands = "mount pool/set /mnt/foo || true";
<clever> just manually mount it yourself at the right time, and ignore all errors
<ToxicFrog> Possibly even nastier idea: `zpool import -a -d /dev/disk/by-path`
<ToxicFrog> * `zpool import -a -d /dev/disk/by-path && zfs mount -a || true`
<clever> ToxicFrog: you must set an altroot
<clever> and its /mnt-root/ not /mnt/, oops
<ToxicFrog> Oh, this happens before pivot-root?
<clever> yeah
<ToxicFrog> right
<clever> its likely already imported as well by this point
<ToxicFrog> All the pools needed for boot are, but there are other pools that get imported later by systemd
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<ToxicFrog> (after udev-settle and before zfs-mount and local-fs)
<clever> ToxicFrog: why do you have many pools?
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<ToxicFrog> Because they have dramatically different topology and intended usage?
<clever> ah
<clever> nothing ive done so far has been large enough to run into that issue
<clever> biggest single setup is the nas, with 3 drives in raidz1
<clever> rest are either mirror or single-device
<ToxicFrog> `internal` contains /boot and /nix and is on an internal SSD, `ancilla` is a (now internal, previously external) four-disk HDD array and contains /home and bulk live data storage, `backup` is an external (USB) mirror with drives that get regularly shuffled around and is used for, well, backups
<clever> i would have just use an L2arc to make the hdd's faster
<ToxicFrog> So basically it needs `internal` to do anything at all, `ancilla` to boot up properly (but it will still at least get me a root shell without it), and `backup` is optional
<ToxicFrog> Oh, the rest of the internal SSD is L2ARC
<ToxicFrog> It's like 64GB /nix and the other 400GB L2ARC for the ancilla pool
<clever> another problem ive discovered with l2arc, is that it doesnt persist thru reboots
<ToxicFrog> But since literally everything hits /nix it makes it noticeably snappier to give it its own storage rather than relying on the L2ARC
<gchristensen> I think that is by design, clever :P
<clever> gchristensen: it makes the tracking simpler, since you dont have to write to disk what is on the cache
<clever> gchristensen: but it means boot cant benefit from the l2arc
<ToxicFrog> Anyways, if I wanted to do stupid init script tricks, I guess I really want something that runs immediately after pivot-root but before systemd startup or home creation.
<clever> ToxicFrog: after pivot-root would be stage-2 or activate
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<clever> ToxicFrog: this is the first line of code ran after pivot-root, https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/system/boot/stage-2-init.sh#L3
<ToxicFrog> "boot.postBootCommands -- shell commands to be executed just before systemd is started". That probably isn't before home creation, but it looks promising.
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<clever> ToxicFrog: that gets inserted at line 152 of stage-2-init.sh
<clever> after activate has created homes
<clever> also, activate runs every time you `nixos-rebuild switch`, so that could get messy
<ToxicFrog> Yeah. But if I can turn off createHome for everyone, putting it between activate and systemd might be enough.
<clever> that could work
* ToxicFrog makes a note in configuration.nix
<ToxicFrog> I have to power down this system to move it around this weekend in any case, so I think I'll try this out when I'm doing that.
<clever> ToxicFrog: oh, something else you may like
<clever> ToxicFrog: this puts an entire nixos install into your /boot/, using a squashfs inside the initrd
<clever> so if you ever brick the main nixos, you can boot the backup one
<ToxicFrog> That is pretty neat.
<ToxicFrog> What would be even neater is if I could rig that to be booted automatically if for some reason booting the main configuration failed, since if I'm physically in front of the machine I might as well just slap in a liveUSB
<ToxicFrog> But I may enable this anyways, just in case.
<ToxicFrog> Thanks.
<clever> ToxicFrog: i have thought of that, but havent written the right code yet
<clever> ToxicFrog: basically, you need to mess with some grub commands, to change the default menu entry, as you boot the real nixos
<clever> then ...
<clever> boot.panic_on_fail or stage1panic=1 in the kernel params
<clever> that will cause failure to mount anything, a panic
<clever> panic=10, will then tell linux to reboot 10 seconds after a panic
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<clever> so, now failure to mount anything, reboots the machine
<clever> and because grub changed the default before booting nixos, it now runs something else
<clever> then you just need a systemd unit, to un-change the default, every time you boot, to say "it worked"
* ToxicFrog nods
<clever> 4 if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
<clever> 5 load_env
<clever> and from my grub.cfg, it will search for a grubenv file, and then load it on startup
<clever> there is probably a save_env as well, the grub manual will help there
<clever> ToxicFrog: oh, but grubenv likely wont like being on zfs
<clever> ToxicFrog: my grubenv file, is exactly 1024 bytes, nearly all #######'s
<clever> because grub's FS write support is rather dumb, and it just writes to the data blocks of a file, without any support to allocate new blocks to the file
<clever> zfs checksums every block...
<ToxicFrog> clever: this is a UEFI system, so /boot is on fat32 anyways
<clever> ah
<clever> of note, /boot/ doesnt need to be fat32
<clever> only the /boot/EFI subdir has to exist on a fat32 fs
<ToxicFrog> The ESP has to be fat32, and /EFI/... is on the ESP; I could make a non-FAT /boot and then mount the ESP at /boot/efi but then I'd have /boot/efi/EFI and eeeeeegh
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<ToxicFrog> I'd rather just put all of /boot on the ESP
<clever> i think when you do it on nixos, its still /boot/EFI/ without another EFI inside it
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<ToxicFrog> How does that work? The fallback loader still needs to go in ESP:/EFI/boot/boot${ARCH}.efi
<ottidmes> in my current Nix script I might call builtins.fetchurl with a wrong hash which will cause it to crash with an error, however I also collected a log that I want to print afterwards, but since it might crash, I have no clear way of returning the log so that it can be printed. I have a workaround of using builtins.toFile to write the log to the Nix store and then using find on the Nix store on the unique name I
<ottidmes> provided, that works, but is ugly. Does anybody know of any other solution?
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<clever> ToxicFrog: if you are setting the efivars, then the fallback shouldnt come into play
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<clever> Boot0004* UEFI OS HD(1,GPT,27c99b08-455d-4dfe-a44f-6150cbc09ef8,0x800,0x100000)/File(\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI)..BO
<ToxicFrog> clever: right, but in a situation where you need or want to create the fallback...
<clever> ToxicFrog: in the case of my laptop (which has a vfat /boot/) the path is in the efi var
<clever> ToxicFrog: yeah, it may need a double-efi then
<clever> /dev/nvme0n1p1: UUID="7DBC-2698" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="27c99b08-455d-4dfe-a44f-6150cbc09ef8"
<ToxicFrog> (which I had to do while setting this up, because it was booted in legacy mode, and you can't touch the efivars in that case)
<clever> and it looks like the efivars operate on the partuuid from gpt, not the fs uuid
<clever> that does also make things simpler, because you dont have to read every single fs and its uuid, and support all the fs's
<ToxicFrog> Yeah, AIUI this is part of the reason UEFI requires GTP
<ToxicFrog> *GPT
<ottidmes> hmm, I guess I could use builtins.exec in that case, since calling bulitins.fetchurl has a similar effect in terms of building things on the fly
<clever> ive seen a ESP type code in MBR, but not played with it enough
<clever> ToxicFrog: you can also do legacy on GPT, so there is no real reason to ever use MBR
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<samueldr> when the ESP isn't used for /boot, yeah, it still needs an EFI folder in it
<samueldr> (on UEFI)
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<johnw> is there a Nix 2.x equivalent for nix-instantiate which gives "nix build" like build status output?
<clever> johnw: there is a nix eval, but ive not played with it too much yet
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<johnw> clever: I'm running: nix-instantiate --arg foo bar -A target --add-root file.drv --indirect ../shell.nix
<johnw> s/nix-instantiate/nix eval/ just complains that -A is an unknown flag
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<clever> johnw: nix eval doesnt accept a -A, it instead defaults to the main argument beng an attrpath
<johnw> I don't know what the 2.x equivalent for the --add-root or --indirect options are
<clever> johnw: and it instead needs a -f for files
<johnw> ah, ok
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<tilpner> sphalerite: My server just reached 25h uptime, which it previously never did on ext4. I changed the disk schedulers from mq-deadline to none in /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler. I don't know what performance implications this has, and it might just be coincidence, but you may want to consider doing the same if your server dies again (or to prevent that)
<tilpner> This matches with immaes warning about use_blk_mq
<tilpner> immae++
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<immae> great tilpner!
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<samrose> anyone ever dealt with https://github.com/lerna/lerna 2 nix ?
<tilpner> immae: Well, I hope I'm not celebrating too early, I've done that too often over the past few weeks. It looks promising (oh, smart errors? That must be it!), and then some days later it dies :/
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<sphalerite> tilpner: good to know, thanks! No further issues on my end, and I didn't change anything
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<tilpner> It was less frequent with zfs, and probably depends on usage patterns too. I would expect it over the next week, but it might not even be the same issue
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<clever> tilpner: for several years, i had some nasty stability problems on my primary desktop, spanning multiple FS's
<clever> a firmware bug in my SSD (it was last a zfs mirror, between identical drives, with identical bugs) that causes the SSD to just randomly hang
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<tilpner> Oh no, how'd you figure that one out?
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<clever> tilpner: going back to #zfs on and off for several years, and eventually somebody asked the firmware rev and linked that pdf to me
<clever> tilpner: turns out linux and btrfs/zfs dont take a hung SSD very well, and the zfs mirror doesnt help at all to gracefully fall back to the other disk
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<clever> tilpner: there was also warning signs early on, that i ignored
<clever> tilpner: when i was replacing the spinning rust with the sdd, the zfs sync failed a few times due to IO write errors
<clever> and i just assumed it was random, and kept retrying till it fully synced
<clever> and it continued to randomly fail :P
<tilpner> And then you just rebooted it every time it failed?
<clever> yeah
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<clever> tilpner: since ditching those 2 SSD's (the util to update firmware just fails), ive switched to just a single nvme disk, and its been stable
<tilpner> Well, that's terrifying *$search_engines for hdd model*
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]$ smartctl -a /dev/sdb | less
<clever> Device Model: KINGSTON SV300S37A240G
<clever> Firmware Version: 608ABBF0
<clever> tilpner: in my case the firmware version matches the pdf
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<tilpner> No alarming reports turned up for "TOSHIBA HDWD130" (fw: MX6OACF0). Not sure if I'd prefer finding something over this
<clever> then its either something else, or a un-discovered firmware bug!
<tilpner> I'll just be optimistic for now and hope I fixed it (what could go wrong?)
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<tilpner> If it stays up for a week, I might even go back to zfs
<tilpner> Is that an answer to my "what could go wrong?"?
<clever> yes, lol
<clever> tilpner: this is also pretty scary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
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<tilpner> Glad my backups are far away then :/
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<gchristensen> yikes
<gchristensen> seems like a scary teritory for nixos to go in
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<infinisil> Hey, I'll merge #42838 soon, if you are interested in kernel config and haven't seen it take a look
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/42838 (by teto, 29 weeks ago, open): [RFC] add ability to merge structured configs
<gchristensen> infinisil: maybe post on discourse instead of IRC
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<infinisil> I think it's been posted already
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<ottidmes> infinisil: it still contains "# FIXME: fix quoting one day", but I see it was there originally, still I wonder how hard it is to fix
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<kai_w> I'm having some trouble with pytorchWithCuda - I get 'ImportError: /nix/.../libtorch.so.1: undefined symbol: nvrtcGetProgramLogSize' when I try to import it
<kai_w> this symbol lives in cudatoolkit-unsplit/lib/libnvrtc.so, and cudatoolkit-unsplit/lib is on the RPATH of libtorch.so.1
<kai_w> so why can't it find that symbol?
<clever> kai_w: but is ibnvrtc.so in the DT_NEEDED field?
<kai_w> clever: readelf --dynamic libtorch.so.1 | grep NEED should show it right? then no
<kai_w> it shows libnvToolsExt.so.1, but not libnvrtc
<clever> then its simply not trying to load libnvrtc.so
<clever> LD_PRELOAD can be used to force it to load, for testing
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<clever> -lnvrtc has to be passed when linking this library, to fix it
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<kai_w> OK, thanks. LD_PRELOAD does fix it (or at least changes it to another symbol can't be found, so I guess there's multiple libs not being linked)
<kai_w> I'm not sure why the build script does not link it, but I'll dig into it
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<kai_w> is it possible that the DT_NEEDED field is deliberately omitted, so the same binary can work with/without CUDA?
<kai_w> and if things are working correctly, dlopen should load the cuda libraries if they are detected
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<kai_w> wait that makes no sense
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<clever> kai_w: any symbols that are used normally, must be supplied before any code in the binary can run
<clever> kai_w: for optional stuff,you should use dlopen() and dlsym() to lookup symbols if it was found
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<mikky> hi, is there a nixos way to ensure a directory exists with certain mode and/or acl?
<infinisil> mikky: systemd.tmpfiles
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<mikky> *persistent directory
<infinisil> Look for examples in nixpkgs, or `man tmpfiles.d`
<infinisil> Yeah, tmpfiles is a bit misleading, it works for non temporary files as well
<mikky> thanks, I'll check it
<infinisil> Or if it's a systemd unit, you can use systemd's StateDirectory and similar
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<clever> i tend to just make a user for the service, set home and createHome, and then the permission bits dont matter much
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<mikky> clever: that's what I did but in a non-standard path (i.e. /mnt/storage/users/user) which creates the all the directories, but intermediate ones get created with 0700
<mikky> rendering the last user-owned directory inaccesible to the user
<clever> ahh
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<clever> i tend to do things like /var/lib/toxvpn, so only one dir has to be made
<kai_w> clever: yes, I was thinking cuda libs might be optional, but then the symbols wouldn't be listed with ldd unless I've not understood this
<mikky> it's just a matter of a simple chown, but it kind of defeats the purpose of nix so it's more like a philosophical problem rather than a practical one
<mikky> or chmod, depends on use-case
<clever> mikky: systemd has a flag, to make the prestart and start run as different users, and then you can put the chmod/chown in prestart
<parsnip> there's 43 nixos images on aws, how would i pick?
<clever> parsnip: if you use nixops, it will pick the right one automatically
<gchristensen> parsnip: or one of the ones listed here https://nixos.org/nixos/download.html
<infinisil> mikky: clever: I wouldn't suggest doing it in preStart, that's a very imperative way. systemd's StateDirectory/RuntimeDirectory if possible, otherwise systemd.tmpfiles, and only if that doesn't work use a script
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<infinisil> (Even tmpfiles' manpage suggests using systemd's StateDirectory/etc. instead)
<mikky> clever, infinisil: coudn't I just set umask somehow so the intermediate dirs get created with some sane rights?
<parsnip> okay, thanks all!
<infinisil> mikky: Does StateDirectory not do it sanely?
<mikky> using systemd on this seems like an overkill to me, especially when I'd have to prepare a more complex structure
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<mikky> I'm not dismissing the option though, I'll definitely look into it
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<infinisil> mikky: Well what is it? You never said that
<infinisil> If it's not a systemd unit, I'd use systemd.tmpfiles, it's perfect for that
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<mikky> it's really just a directory for data storage
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<phizzz> if i do `nix-build '<nixpkgs/nixos>' -I nixos-config=./configuration.nix` from within a nixos virtualbox, is there a way to switch to that without messing with the VM?
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<phizzz> i'm new to nixos, so i may be using the wrong terminology
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<phizzz> nixos is a powerful beast that will take me a while to tame, despite the fact i started with linux back in '99 installing from floppy disks...
<mikky> infinisil: I'm playing with nixops and I'm proofconcepting a fully managed machine on which an app is then deployed via ansible and run a under a user EID with some data paths hardcoded
<mikky> does it make sense?
<tilpner> phizzz: Why are you using nix-build here? You want to build and switch to your new configuration, right? nixos-rebuild can do that
<mikky> I'll probably go with tmpfiles for now but it just doesn't "feel" right, you know
<infinisil> mikky: I see, neat
<infinisil> mikky: Yeah the name tmpfiles makes it a bit odd indeed, but it's the best declarative way we currently have
<infinisil> Also, the description doesn't even mention this usecase, even though it's the most common one in nixpkgs:
<phizzz> tilpner: i don't really know what i'm doing, but i can try your suggestion!
<infinisil> > nixos.options.systemd.tmpfiles.rules.description
<{^_^}> "Rules for creating and cleaning up temporary files\nautomatically. See\n<citerefentry><refentrytitle>tmpfiles.d</refentrytitle><manvolnum>5</manvolnum></citerefentry>\nfor the exact format.\n"
<tilpner> phizzz: "sudo nixos-rebuild switch" should work in a normal installation
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<phizzz> tilpner: with nixos-rebuild would i have to import my ~/configuration.nix into the /etc/nixos/configuration.nix?
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<tilpner> phizzz: That's the default, yes. You can tell nixos-rebuild to look for your config in other places, but if this is just a test VM you should probably just stick to defaults
<mikky> phizzz: what is it your want to achieve?
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<mikky> infinisil: thanks, I was just about to go there:)
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<phizzz> tilpner: i will try that
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<tilpner> (You would do that by adding a nixos-config item to your NIX_PATH environment variable, )
<infinisil> ,xml = Nix XML cheatsheet: <link xlink:href="https://example.com"/> <citerefentry><refentrytitle>man</refentrytitle><manvolnum>1</manvolnum></citerefentry> <programlisting>let some = "program"; in some</programlisting> <literal>true</literal> <option>users</option>
<{^_^}> xml defined
<infinisil> Because why not
<gchristensen> maybe also docbook.rocks
<infinisil> ,xml = Nix XML docbook cheatsheet: <link xlink:href="https://example.com"/> <citerefentry><refentrytitle>man</refentrytitle><manvolnum>1</manvolnum></citerefentry> <programlisting>let some = "program"; in some</programlisting> <literal>true</literal> <option>users</option> Simple docbook reference: docbook reference: https://docbook.rocks/
<{^_^}> xml redefined, was defined as Nix XML cheatsheet: <link xlink:href="https://example.com"/> <citerefentry><refentrytitle>man</refentrytitle><manvolnum>1</manvolnum></citerefentry> <programlisting>let some = "program"; in some</programlisting> <literal>true</literal> <option>users</option>
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<aleph-> Okay time to get this stinking nodejs app built
<aleph-> Man somebody really needs to reverse how VLC added chromecast support
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<sphalerite> aleph-: playing to chromecast or mimicking a chromecast?
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<mikky> interesting, tmpfiles with undefined access rights (ie '-') get created with umask 077 although man says it should be 022
<aleph-> sphalerite: Playing to
<sphalerite> aleph-: oh. boring :p
<mikky> so I'm back where I was a while ago - umask. What umask nix uses when executed?
<aleph-> sphalerite: Packaging up this electron app fx_cast which in concert with a firefox extension can be used for chromecast usage via Firefox
<clever> aleph-: related, can you stream (chromecast style) from the "chromecast app" in a phone to a pc?
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<aleph-> That is a good question.
<aleph-> Would need to see the standard and create a recieving style server app to cast to, but I don't see why not
<clever> aleph-: its near imposible to google for, because the google search doesnt know which direction you want to stream
<clever> so it finds everything about the other direction, pc->phone or pc->tv
<sphalerite> clever: no, because it's all proprietary magic
<sphalerite> clever: they don't want you to do it because DRM
<aleph-> I mean it's technically derived from miracast
<aleph-> And the VLC boys figured out how to implement the protocol
<clever> sphalerite: and yet there are ad riddled apps that do the same thing without audio
<samueldr> haven't tried it though
<aleph-> And frack building nodejs stuff
<aleph-> I'm just gonna upstream my pentesting tools finally
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kevincox merged pull request #54555 → cargo-web: 0.6.15 -> 0.6.23 → https://git.io/fhr61
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<clever> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.screencast for example runs an http server with an mjpeg stream, but that obviously lacks audio, and it randomly stops when android decides it needs more ram
<clever> its also murder on battery life
<aleph-> Hmm, now what was my build command for python stuff... nix-build -E '(import <nixpkgs> {}).python.buildPythonPackage ./default.nix {};'
<aleph-> Think that was it?
<gchristensen> anyone currently have an open PR editing a package, where I can test something and you won't mind?
<colemickens> what package has "unlink"
<aleph-> gchristensen: If you give me about 5 minutes I'll have a PR up
<clever> ,locate unlink
<{^_^}> Found in packages: mc, bash, gnulib, busybox, coreutils, coreutils-full, bashInteractive
<clever> aleph-: probably coreutils
<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: I've got a PR up fixing / updating GHCJS
<clever> ,locate bin unlink
<{^_^}> Found in packages: busybox, coreutils, coreutils-full
<aleph-> clever: Hmm what?
<{^_^}> #53978 (by ElvishJerricco, 1 week ago, open): GHCJS: Fix 8.4 and add 8.6
<clever> colemickens: oops, coreutils has unlink
<elvishjerricco> (speaking of... anyone wanna merge that? :P)
<clever> aleph-: wrong nick
<aleph-> Oh lol
<colemickens> weird, curl keeps complaining that it can't find unlink, even after installing it
<colemickens> ` curl --spider -r ...` spits out a bunch of "unlink: no such file or directory"
<clever> colemickens: when is curl running?
<colemickens> clever: from a shell script that I'm invoking
<clever> colemickens: does your script set PATH at all?
<colemickens> no, but I have discovered a different mistake that is undoubtedly related
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<colemickens> I guess I'm using wget, but the symptoms are the same
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<colemickens> looks like it's just a wget quirk, https://superuser.com/a/1162597
<clever> colemickens: oh, is it failing to find unlink, or is unlink() failing to find the thing it was told to unlink?
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<mikky> did anyone try Ansible on nixos host?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @etu opened pull request #54559 → Add tests for Sonarr, Radarr and Lidarr → https://git.io/fhr1w
<mikky> an arbitrary module that creates data passes with flying colors but the data just isn't there afte the run
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<aleph-> Seriously? That was my problem? God dang it
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<gchristensen> mikky: what do you mean creates data?
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<mikky> gchristensen: creates a directory, fetches a git repo, expands an archive...
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<gchristensen> where does it put it?
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<mikky> tried /opt/app, /tmp/app, even tried creating a directory in /bin
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<gchristensen> sure doesn't sound like it is doing what you expect, then :)
<mikky> apparently not :)
<mikky> I guess Ansible does something under the hood that's somehow incompatible with how NixOS does things
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<mikky> but it doesn't make much sense, it looks like Ansible runs its commands in some kind of temporary chroot or something
<kreisys> hey I'm having an issue that I think should be trivial... so I 'nix copy'd a store path to an s3 binary cache without the right signature. now I'm trying to copy again *with* the right signature but 'nix copy' isn't doing anything. I tried looking for a way to delete a store path from the binary cache but so far couldn't find a solution... halp? :)
<mikky> I do use 'ansible_become' with sudo though
<sphalerite> kreisys: you can use nix copy-sigs to copy just the signature
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<sphalerite> kreisys: nix copy-sigs --store s3://foo --substituter daemon /nix/store/xyzabc
<sphalerite> should work I think.
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<kitlangton> Has anyone had any luck using nix with Haskell-IDE-Engine? :-o
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<sphalerite> kitlangton: I think domenkozar has a setup
<sphalerite> kitlangton: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
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<kreisys> sphalerite: that seems to have done the trick! awesome thanks!
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<kitlangton> sphalerite: Ah, I should be more specific. I was able to install hie w/ that, but I'm not actually able to get it working w/ a text editor for a project that uses nix. There's this config recommendation https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#using-vs-code-with-nix but I'm not really sure how that works
<sphalerite> I don't know any more than that, sorry!
<kitlangton> sphalerite: no worries! thanks anyhow :)
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<mikky> gchristensen: turns out Ansible does *exactly* what told it to do :) I reused an old template which had a little "dry-run" switch hidden in config
<gchristensen> ah! :)
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<mikky> why do I figure things out only _after_ I made a fool of my self in public?
<gchristensen> eh
<simpson> mikky: No worries, it's all good. Earlier today I found out that I'd been missing a closing brace for a week.
<clever> mikky: you need a rubber duck
<simpson> ^^ Rubber ducks are great.
<mikky> I need sleep. That's what I need :)
<mikky> anyway, thanks guys, as usual, I'm a bit smarter after visiting #nixos :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dlifanov opened pull request #54561 → nixos/grafana: add provisioning of pre-configured Grafana with dashb… → https://git.io/fhrSI
<ottidmes> I am trying to run builtins.exec before builtins.fetchurl (throws an error, which its supposed to in this test), so I tried using builtins.seq, to make the exec run before the failing fetchurl, but I do not see the effect of it running (writing some file to /tmp) if I run exec with the same args elsewhere it does succeed, any ideas?
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<ottidmes> nevermind, fixed it
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<gchristensen> builtins.exec? jeepers.
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<ottidmes> gchristensen: yep, got the get my data out before builtins.fetchurl might fail, could write to the store, but that brings a new set of problems
<gchristensen> don't tell me, I don't want to know
<ottidmes> gchristensen: BTW, I reported the issue I had with rnix and it got fixed soon after :) so I can continue with my plan
<aleph-> Somebody mind running this? Hunting down a bug, I can run it fine via nix-shell dev environement. But building via this file causes a test to fail. https://paste.rs/EGz
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<aleph-> Error log is here: https://paste.rs/0IW
<aleph-> Hmm, thinking it might just be a wart in their code.
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<aleph-> Anybody ever get chromecast from vlc working?
<aleph-> Out of curiosity.
<ar1a> hey, how can i install https://hie-nix.cachix.org/ using home-manager? it's a bit different because you run -f cachix.org/...
<ar1a> more just how to install cachix in general
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<dgarzon> Hi, does anyone know how to escape “${}” in a single string? For example: "-Djenkins.model.Jenkins.workspacesDir=${JENKINS_HOME}/workspace/${ITEM_FULL_NAME}”. I found: https://nixos.org/nix/manual/#ssec-values, but does the double single quotes work on non-indented strings?
<infinisil> ar1a: You can't, you need to put this in your nix config, which is not per-user, but only system-wide
<infinisil> ar1a: That is, /etc/nix/nix.conf, which is managed with the nix.* options on NixOS
<ar1a> oh i put it in configuration.nix :P
<ar1a> woops
<ar1a> wait, no im supposed to put it there!
<ar1a> right, now its in nix.conf how do i install hie-nix?
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<ar1a> nvm
<ar1a> i just woke up, be nice to me :P
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<dgarzon> Would this work? "-Djenkins.model.Jenkins.workspacesDir=\$\{JENKINS_HOME\}/workspace/\$\{ITEM_FULL_NAME\}"
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<samueldr> ,escape"
<{^_^}> " double quote: \" backslash: \\ bash curly bois: \${} newline: \n tab: \t "
<samueldr> ,escape''
<{^_^}> '' two single quotes: ''' bash curly bois: ''${} newline: ''\n tab: ''\t any character x: ''\x ''
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pjones opened pull request #54562 → nixos/netdata: Add option to include extra plugins → https://git.io/fhr7A
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