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<ivanivan>
I've been experiencing what I suspect are SSL-related problems on NixOS. Anyone know how I might debug/verify that?
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<ivanivan>
I'm unable to fetch dependencies from rubygems (e.g. when using bundix), and I've also noticed weechat is super-slow to connect over ssl
<Myrl-saki>
How do I make nix-build not delete tmpfile?
<Myrl-saki>
Err
<Myrl-saki>
The /tmp dir
<Myrl-saki>
something
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<acowley>
At some point I picked up the technique of using "or" to provide a default value for a possibly-undefined identifier. I notice that it doesn't work in nix repl; where is it defined?
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<Myrl-saki>
How do I set the environment variables on mkDerivation?
<acowley>
Oh, it only works for an attrpath
<acowley>
Myrl-saki: The -k flag keeps temporaries
<ivanivan>
Has anyone else experienced SSL/TLS problems on a recent release of NixOS?
<acowley>
PolarIntersect: Yes, I did eventually find it. Very hard to search for the word "or" :D
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<acowley>
I think my eyes actually passed over it a few times because there's no highlighting or indication that `or` is a keyword that shows up in my browser.
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<PolarIntersect>
oh hehe
<PolarIntersect>
sorry for being redundant then
<PolarIntersect>
Happy you were able to discover it :)
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<robstr>
Morning, Still have problems with nixops deploymeny to aws compared to vm. Bot vm's running exact same settings (nixos-version) but for whatever reason aws report `could not connect to database template1: FATAL: role "root" does not exist"
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[nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #39465 → Various work on broken packages → https://git.io/vpn8j
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[nixpkgs] @matthewbauer pushed 13 commits to master: https://git.io/vpnBJ
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→ dad3714e by @matthewbauer: live555: supports darwin
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→ 63901546 by @florianjacob: canonicaljson: separating from pythonPackages
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[nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #39439 → clementine: each output should hav a wrapped `GST_PLUGIN_SYSTEM_PATH_1_0` → https://git.io/vpZha
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→ a4ba8c65 by @Ma27: clementine: each output should hav a wrapped `GST_PLUGIN_SYSTEM_PATH_1_0`
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[nixpkgs] @typetetris opened pull request #39467 → fetchFromGitLab: Use API archive download endpoint. → https://git.io/vpnBo
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<sir_guy_carleton>
can you mount a parition on a drive that is uses mbr/msdos on a system that uses uefi?
<boomshroom>
sir_guy_carleton: If it's not the boot disk, there should be no problem. Is it is the boot disk, then there might be some additional hacking to get it to work.
<sir_guy_carleton>
okay thanks
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<sir_guy_carleton>
where's the best freenode chatroom to ask windows questions?
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<lo_mlatu>
Has anyone ever install haskellPackages.pandoc-crossref with nix? I tried to do that, compliation failed with incorrect dependency: it need pandoc2.1.3 however nix seems to build pandoc2.1.2 for me
<boomshroom>
lo_mlatu: Is pandoc a binary would want available globally, or do you need it as a dependency?
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<lo_mlatu>
boomshroom: pandoc was dependency of pandoc-crossref, but itself should also be availabel globally
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<boomshroom>
lo_mlatu: Installing pandoc-crossref shouldn't depend on you local pandoc installation.
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<lo_mlatu>
boomshroom: nix didn't use a local installation, actually I install it in a fresh virtual machine, so I think there is something wrong in the nix-expression
<boomshroom>
lo_mlatu: You should just be able to install pandoc and pandoc-crossref separately and it should work just fine.
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<boomshroom>
It seems as pandoc-crossref is broken currently. Sorry.
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[nixpkgs] @vbgl opened pull request #39469 → coqPackages.contribs.containers: make available for Coq 8.8 → https://git.io/vpn0D
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[nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #39452 → fio: 3.5 -> 3.6, enable on darwin → https://git.io/vpnkG
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[nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed commit from @veprbl to master « fio: 3.5 -> 3.6, enable on darwin (#39452) »: https://git.io/vpnuz
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<kahiru>
hey, I'm using nix on another distro and each time I run nix-collect-garbage it wipes my user profile. Is that intended?
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[nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #39436 → vim_configurable: replace default ftNix patch with sources from vim-nix → https://git.io/vpZAf
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[nixpkgs] @ChengCat opened pull request #39472 → fcitx-libpinyin: fix data path → https://git.io/vpngl
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<kahiru>
sphalerite++ that did the trick
<sphalerite>
\o/
<kahiru>
wonder why it happened
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<angerman>
is there some function that does // but recursively?
<angerman>
eg. apply // on each value in both attrsets?
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<angerman>
`{ x = { y = 1; }; } // { x = { z = 2; }; }` will results in `{ x = { z = 2; }; }` instead of `{ x = { y = 1; z = 2; }; }`
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<sir_guy_carleton>
hello, sorry that i'm repeating the question, but is installing a seperate boot parition with NixOS a good idea?
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<Ahmedkh>
efi or legance
<sir_guy_carleton>
uefi
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<sir_guy_carleton>
oh, and i'm dual booting with windows 10
<Ahmedkh>
sorry, I don't know much about efi.
<goibhniu>
hi sir_guy_carleton, you'll need a separate boot partition for efi AFAIK
<joko>
sir_guy_carleton: I agree with goibhniu
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<sir_guy_carleton>
hmm, okay - how big should it be?
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<etu>
sir_guy_carleton: On EFI you need to have an ESP (EFI System Partition?) that is a boot partition for EFI systems. On my UEFI systems I don't have my own /boot, I just use the ESP.
<etu>
sir_guy_carleton: I also mount my ESP directly at /boot
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<dx_>
so, stuff that got installed by 'nix-shell -p xxx' gets removed if garbage collected?
<etu>
My ESP on my laptop with only NixOS uses 32MiB at the moment, if you have more kernels and more OSes that is probably a bigger number.
<etu>
dx_: yes.
<joko>
dx_: yes
<adisbladis[m]>
dx_: Yes.
<adisbladis[m]>
sir_guy_carleton: I'll usually give the ESP 100-500M something
<etu>
sir_guy_carleton: I also recommend not using grub but to use systemd-boot, it's much cleaner in your ESP as well. And it will autodetect other OSes such as windows 10 and give it it's own entry.
<adisbladis[m]>
It's overkill but at least I'll not run out of space any time soon
<dx_>
this 'isolation' scheme used by nixos, is not really using kernel level cgroups/namespaces like docker?
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<etu>
dx_: Depending on what you mean. But much of the "isolation" on the nix side is packages and dependencies and such.
<sir_guy_carleton>
okay, thanks for the advice
<dx_>
also, when i go into c/c++ mode, i do it by 'nix-shell -p gcc -p automake -p libtool'. Is this the common practice?
<sphalerite>
dx_: The (optional) sandboxing feature uses namespaces to improve isolation. If it's disabled it only tries to limit what the build will access by keeping the environment variables clean
<dx_>
etu: yeah, i noticed yes. It merely manipulates PATH and environment vars...
<sphalerite>
dx_: yes, it's common practice, although usually people end up writing a nix expression for the project that makes it easier to use in the end
<etu>
dx_: If you run "nix-shell --pure -p packagename" it will not have things from your system environment
<sphalerite>
also, you don't need to repeat the -p option FWIW
<dx_>
ok. So as root, when i say: 'nix-env -i some-stuff', how did it know what gcc to use, since in my system now, gcc is not globally installed, but instead in cache only. It picks up that ?
<dx_>
am asking, coz maybe i'll have newer gcc later, so...
<etu>
the expression for some-stuff has stdenv as dependency which contains a gcc
<etu>
And that is defined in nixpkgs
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[nixpkgs] @xeji opened pull request #39473 → nixos/tests/keymap: wait for xdotool to succeed → https://git.io/vpnw6
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<tokudan[m]>
discourse is amazing. aparently 24 characters are shorter than 10 characters:
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→ 6891bda3 by @xeji: nixos/tests/keymap: wait for xdotool to succeed
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→ 25abc29f by @srhb: Merge pull request #39473 from xeji/update-keymap-test
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<sphalerite>
tokudan[m]: nice.
<Jetien>
Nixos configs are functions like this `{config, pkgs, ..}: ` How modify the value of `pkgs` or add my own arguments to this function? I'm trying the follow the code from `nixos/default.nix` but it's too complicated to figure out the logic.
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→ 9b579379 by @lsix: motuclient: 1.4.00 -> 1.5.00
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→ 8d58b1a0 by @lsix: Merge pull request #39360 from lsix/update_motu
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<sphalerite>
Jetien: what are you trying to achieve?
<sphalerite>
Jetien: for modifying pkgs, overlays are what you want
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<Jetien>
sphalerite: i have small package collection that i wan't to deploy on multiple machines via nixops. Since my package collection isn't part of nixpkgs i have to awkardly import it everywhere. My goal is to restructure my nixops configs to make them easiert composable. I could have '{mypkgs}: {config, pkgs, ...}' but this doesn't look right.
<Jetien>
sphalerite: thanks! do you also have a pointers to bigger nixops examples? how can i make my machines more composable? should i use the module system of nixops for that? or do i use functions like `makeOverridable` from nixpkgs?
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<sphalerite>
The nixos module system seems is a good fit, I think. I haven't actually used nixops properly yet, but I maintain a bunch of nixos servers (currently still just by running nixos-rebuild on them manually, but I'll hopefully switch to nixops eventually) where I share a fair bit of config between the machine https://gitlab.strathtech.co.uk/Society/nixos-config
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<sphalerite>
Ahmedkh: you should be able to do this as quite a simple expression, something like runCommand "AnonymousPro" {buildInputs = [unzip];} "mkdir -p $out/share/fonts ; cd $out/share/fonts ; unzip ${fetchurl {url = "https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts/releases/download/v2.0.0/AnonymousPro.zip"; sha256 = "hash goes here";}"
<sphalerite>
Ahmedkh: and putting that in fonts.fonts
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<Ahmedkh>
make a new package -as I see- right, thnx I will try right now
<sphalerite>
or install it into your user environment, as you prefer.
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<Ahmedkh>
sorry, could I find your example in github.
<YegorTimoshenko[>
(only matrix/riot users would see that inline)
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<AntonLatukha[m]>
It is probably sane.
<AntonLatukha[m]>
To stream current discussion issues : Like '0 kind: enhancement' in NixPkgs to create a continuation in and discuss them in RFCs.
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<AntonLatukha[m]>
Discussions in PRs probably should stay NixPkgs PRs.
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<cryp2nomicon>
how can i clean the boot selection list in the grub menu, so that i can only have the latest? I want to keep my current nix-shells, though...
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<arianvp2>
I just installed nix on arch, and I get the following warning with all commands
<elvishjerricco>
arianvp2: The option names of /etc/nix/nix.conf changed a bit. Dunno if there's a migration guide anywhere...
<elvishjerricco>
It changed in Nix 2.0, that is
<arianvp2>
ah
<elvishjerricco>
which offers `nix show-config` to tell you what all the possible option names are
<arianvp2>
can I just delete nix.conf ?
<elvishjerricco>
Assuming you don't have anything useful in there, sure
<arianvp2>
there was an alternative hydra in there which doesnt exist anymore
<arianvp2>
Okayyyy back to nixing
<arianvp2>
:D
<arianvp2>
does nix-home-manager work on non-nixos installlations?
<elvishjerricco>
I use it on MacOS :P
<arianvp2>
because that would finally solve all my dotfile problems I have everywhere
<arianvp2>
in a sane way
<arianvp2>
oh amazing!
<arianvp2>
bye bye hacky arch linux stuff
<elvishjerricco>
Yea it only claims support for NixOS but it seems to work on anything unix-y
<arianvp2>
nice
<arianvp2>
I'm still not 100 percent convinced about Nixos modules / home manager modules though
<arianvp2>
I don't see why we'd separate them from packages
<arianvp2>
a 'module' is just a package with more config, a package override so to say
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<sphalerite>
shlevy: do you have your riscv hardware and nixos running on it yet?
<infinisil>
arianvp2: modules are very powerful
<Ahmedkh>
yesterday I installed nix on arch, today I installed NixOS ;).... arianvp2 just remeber =V
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<infinisil>
arianvp2: And they don't really compare to packages
<infinisil>
I could tell you all day long about modules
<arianvp2>
how do they not compare to packages though?
<arianvp2>
You end up with some derivation right?
<infinisil>
Nah, modules don't have anything to do with derivations
<infinisil>
The NixOS modules have a lot of options that have to do with derivations though
<infinisil>
And in the end usually a derivation is produced, in nixos that's the system's derivation
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<infinisil>
But modules themselves don't inherently have to have to do with modules
<infinisil>
s/with modules/with derivations
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<jtojnar>
AntonLatukha[m]: do you have the fwupd option commented out?
<kai_w>
how do I add new tests to nixos to work with GCofBorg? I have tests in nixos/tests, and if I run them with nix-build, I get output from the VM and result symlinks.
<fendor>
hey, i have a problem with grpc, maven and java, i think it might be nixos related. in short, maven tries to install a grpc plugin that is not executable for some reason or fails to start. same happened with the protoc program itself, which i circumvented by copying the protoc executable
<zybell>
do you have a log?
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[nixpkgs] @pngwjpgh opened pull request #39478 → nixos/infinoted: Abstract over libinfinity version → https://git.io/vpnxS
<cryp2nomicon>
given, that i just completed 'nix-shell -p nodejs-9_x' after 3 hours (1G RAM atom netbook here), can i installed it instead permanently quickly this time? Or do I have to re-do all with 'nix-env -i nodejs-9_x' ?
<srhb>
cryp2nomicon: If you didn't garbage collect it, it should be instant, because it's already in the store.
<fendor>
Drakonis[m], think so, depending on the OS ,though. As we can see, it guesses correctly my OS
<cryp2nomicon>
ok good. Can i excempt some nix-shell from being garbage collected?
<angerman>
can I stick some additional values into my derivation? E.g. I'd like to add a pkgId field to the result of a mkDerivation. So that I can look that pkgId field up
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<srhb>
angerman: Maybe with extendderivation?
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<angerman>
srhb: I woudln't mind having to modify my nixpkgs. srhb just wondering if that's possible in principle, and how I would access that value
<zybell>
either you run nix on Windows, what I doubt, or you have a dependency on mono, that maven doesnt detect. this log did not repeat the steps before the failing step. try to clean up your build before making the next log. Do you build with nix?
<infinisil>
Huh, why is that file extension .swift? Got my hopes up for you being a Swift programmer :)
<fendor>
infinisil, sorry, just hastebin ^^
<fendor>
zybell, now the error happens again with protoc itself, because i havent replaced the binary with the system binary
<Biappi>
hastebin choses the file extension based on file content heuristics... you can use the extension you want to force hastebin to use a particular syntax highlighter =)
<infinisil>
Oh I see
<Biappi>
(if you need something related to swift, you can hit me up, tho =P)
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<infinisil>
Well I've been using Swift a lot a year ago, but everything changed when the fi.. when I switched to NixOS
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<zybell>
fendor:how do you pull in the dependencies? Although maven detects linux correctly,the protobuf plugin gives a windows command. Maybe some property has to be set?
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<zybell>
Although I think its overkill possibly -X (uppercase) enables some output to find out how it arrives to call a windows command.
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<fendor>
zybell, it is just an exe, it should be a Linux elf
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<ertes-w>
when i build PHP from nixpkgs via 'nix-build -A php', somehow the command 'phpize' is missing, but when i install via 'nix-env -f . -iA php', then it's there
<ertes-w>
what might be the reason for this?
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<zybell>
fendor: found it
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<zybell>
On linux No such file is not only for executable
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<zybell>
If executable is dynamic, it is for dynamic linker too.
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<zybell>
On NixOS dynamic linker is not where other dists expect it
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[nixpkgs] @zimbatm pushed commit from @rvl to master « buildkite-agent3: init at 3.0.1 (#39471) »: https://git.io/vpcvl
<zybell>
So no copying exe from other dist to nix
<srhb>
ertes-w: Looks like it's in the dev output
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<ertes-w>
srhb: yeah, just found it myself, thanks =)
<fendor>
zybell, yeah, that wont work. so some maven error?
<zybell>
Either build protoc from source on nix with nix-tools
<zybell>
Or run patchelf on exe
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<zybell>
to adapt to nix system
<fendor>
zybell, i think ill try patchelf
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<fendor>
unstable or normal?
<fendor>
zybell, ok, how does patchelf work? :D
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<zybell>
patchelf is nix tool should be installed, look closely at instruction and run on copy of prog
<tilpner>
fendor - Why are not using the packaged version of protoc?
<fendor>
tilpner, because maven generates some protoc-java plugin that seems not to be packaged
<zybell>
maybe destroys prog in process
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<zybell>
you could also try to symlink the packaged protoc at that place. less risky.
<fendor>
zybell, i dont know what i need to patch...
<fendor>
zybell, just replacing the binary protoc with the oen from nix works fine. However, maven generates a protoc-java plugin, which seems to not be packages and has the same problem
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<ertes-w>
is there a derivation in nixpkgs that basically includes everything from stdenv? i need the usual tools necessary for building C stuff (autoconf, gcc, etc.)
<tilpner>
It may be easier to stop maven from generating that, and packaging protoc-java
<zybell>
ertes-w:stdenv;-)
<tilpner>
If you really want to go the patchelf route, start with --set-interpreter, then check each ldd output and alter the rpath to include all of them
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<ertes-w>
oh, my error… stdenv doesn't seem to include everything
<fendor>
tilpner, might be true, but i have no clue how to package that :D
<fendor>
tilpner, and set the interpreter to which interpreter?
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<tilpner>
That depends on if you're doing it interactively in your shell, or as a Nix derivation
<zybell>
fendor:*in the plugin* there is a packaged protoc that doesnt work. replace that *and only that* with a symlink to the working protoc
<tilpner>
If you just want to test, the output of "which ld" would be fine
<fendor>
tilpner, no i seem to require the protoc-gen-java plugin. Some files are missing
<tilpner>
I didn't find a source for that, is it grpc related?
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[nixpkgs] @globin merged pull request #38539 → nginx: allow basic auth passwords to be specified in a file → https://git.io/vxHKB
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[nixpkgs] @globin pushed commit from @lopsided98 to master « nginx: allow basic auth passwords to be specified in a file »: https://git.io/vpcIy
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<Yom>
Hi, I'm a recent NixOS convert and loving it so far.
<Yom>
Everything is good, except that I can't have Firefox in French.
<Yom>
Is that because it's Nightly? Need I switch to firefox-bin?
<srhb>
Yom: Welcome! Sorry, no idea about internationalization :/
<jtojnar>
Yom: what package do you have installed?
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<goibhniu>
FWIW it's just called nightly because it's not an official mozilla binary ... it's not actually a nightly build
<Yom>
I installed firefoxWrapper
<jtojnar>
firefox-bin definitely should support different locales, not sure about firefox
<gchristensen>
goibhniu: we should be shipping a regularly named firefox now
<goibhniu>
nice!
<gchristensen>
firefox-bin supports config.i18n.defaultLocale (set like "en-US")
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<Yom>
I do have i18r.defaultLocale = "fr_FR.UTF-8". Maybe the ".UTF-8" is problematic.
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<Yom>
Not i18r, i18n, sorry.
<goibhniu>
Yom: and `locale` looks good?
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<gchristensen>
and it might be a nixpkgs.config.... setup ... also yeah I think just 'fr' based on what is in the release_sources.nix forfirefox-bin
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<Yom>
goibhniu: I don't understard what you are asking me. Sorry, today is my first contact with IRC in decades.
<goibhniu>
Yom: sorry, I should have been more verbose. I was wondering if the output of the `locale` command reflects your i18n.defaultLocale setting.
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<Yom>
Well, I'm not at home to check. I think so but I'll check tonight. I'm a Gentoo convert and I might have put the locale I was used to on that system.
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→ bec97269 by @dtzWill: ngx_brotli: -> 0.1.1
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→ 542f3dba by @dtzWill: Merge pull request #39414 from dtzWill/update/ngx_brotli-0.1.1
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<Yom>
@goibhniu @gchristensen Thank you guys for the hints. I'll check tonight. Plan A: I'll try with other locales in my config. Plan B: i'll try to switch to firefox-bin. Plan C: I can live with an English Firefox.
<Profpatsch>
!m dtz
<[0__0]>
You're doing good work, dtz!
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<steveeJ>
can fetch* functions be used on local files?
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<arianvp2>
How do I generate a secret key for "nix sign-paths" ?
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<arianvp2>
oh found it `--generate-binary-cache-key` on nix-store
<arianvp2>
but I get:
<arianvp2>
❯ nix sign-paths -k foo.key error: path '/nix/store/cjvn3cfagnq5jnwfz2h1y5jjq8fzclcg-proposal' is not valid
<arianvp2>
oh fixed it
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<arianvp2>
so where does nix sign-paths 'store' the signature?
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<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @aszlig pushed to master « inkscape: Fix build on NixOS »: https://git.io/vpcBy
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<nick_l>
Can I make nixops restart such that it starts with the deployed kernel?
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<nick_l>
The default kernel in NixOS 18.03 is no good.
<nick_l>
(At least, not for the things I want to do with it.)
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<nick_l>
What do I need to to to bring a particular dependency's binaries on the PATH in a service? There already is a derivation with the proper argument like {dep1, dep2} : <etc>
<nick_l>
Specifically datadog requires iostat at run-time, but I don't think it's on the PATH. (sysstat is the nixpkgs package name).
<thoughtpolice>
Or pkgs.sysstat in this case, I suppose. But the Datadog module should really specify this, I'd hope at least.
<nick_l>
thoughtpolice: it doesn't/
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<thoughtpolice>
Perhaps nobody is using the functionality that depends on iostat. I have no idea what it uses it for...
<nick_l>
thoughtpolice: thanks a lot. I will fix that later. I am mostly interested in the other question now.
<thoughtpolice>
But fixing it either in the module or the package (preferably the package I'd think) is ideal
<milka>
Dear nixnixes. I#ve reverted successfully to a previous version with rebooting. Unfortunately I do not have the configuration of exactly this state. Is there any option how I can create a configuration.nix of the system which I have booted? I'm NixOS novice (day 2) :)
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→ 9587c6ce by @7c6f434c: Merge pull request #39463 from oxij/stdenv/docheckfalse-trivial
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→ 7438083a by @oxij: tree-wide: disable `doCheck` and `doInstallCheck` where it fails (the trivial part)
<tilpner>
There is a way to store your config with each generation, to prevent this from happening in the future
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[nixpkgs] @7c6f434c merged pull request #39463 → tree-wide: disable `doCheck` and `doInstallCheck` where it fails → https://git.io/vpnW2
<milka>
tilpner: Good to know. I'll reinstall it the next days. But now I'm happy that the system is running with RT sound...
<milka>
How I can do that?
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<tilpner>
Put something like tx0.co/w into your configuration.nix
<thoughtpolice>
nick_l: Also no I do not think nixops will auto restart for you. In fact you have to give it express permission to allow restarts with a flag to `nixops deploy`.
<thoughtpolice>
Normally I don't even do that, I just do --force-reboot the first time anyway.
<milka>
Where I put this flag exactly?
<thoughtpolice>
nick_l: Finally you can just add a binary to the store like any other file. `nix-store --add ./filename`
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<tilpner>
milka - What flag?
<milka>
Binaries?! :-O
<nick_l>
thoughtpolice: I want to have a variable like x = <?? my binary file in the current directory named ./mybin>, which I can refer to in a shell script written via writeShellScriptBin
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<milka>
Put something like tx0.co/w...
<tilpner>
milka - That's a link. Open it, and paste it into your configuration.nix
<milka>
Ah, sorry, not my chat stream
<tilpner>
(And adjust paths if you want)
<milka>
Boing
<milka>
Thank you.
<milka>
What is your suggestion: A lot of nix files for audio, filesystem et cetera. Or one big file with an index?
<milka>
Actually my nixes are short.
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[nixpkgs] @7c6f434c merged pull request #39486 → musl: provide 'iconv' utility like other libc's → https://git.io/vpcnO
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<kreisys>
what do you use in the ci pipeline to umm.. have effect on the outside world? for example to update the refs in the nixpkgs-channels github repo? doesn't look like hydra can do that. is there another piece I'm missing?
<lewo>
kreisys: I think it is a Hydra plugin that is in charge of this
<betaboon>
can anyone point me into a sane direction on how to package an angular 4 application so that i can is 'bundled' (like webpack) from source, so that i can just serve it with nginx ?
<kreisys>
aha! good old cronjob. thanks a lot! :D
<betaboon>
this whoe nodejs/angular/whatever world just drives me nut
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
Hello. I have installed 18.03 on my tablet laptop and enabled the Plasma desktop with SDDM. I have a virtual keyboard in SDDM, but not in Plasma. Any pointers to where it might be hiding? I apologize for the stupid question, but I'm new to Nix.
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<sphalerite>
\\\\\\\\\\\: not a stupid question at all :) (but I also don't know the answer, hah)
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<\\\\\\\\\\\>
sphalerite: Ah, I figured I just missed something in the documentation. Coming from Arch, the package configuration here is entirely foreign to me.
<samueldr>
oh, the virtual keyboard thing finally made it? :) going to test (though I don't use plasma)
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
samueldr: The what now?
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<samueldr>
the thing you're asking about, the virtual keyboard, it wasn't available in 17.09 yet
<samueldr>
afaik, it should be provided via qtvirtualkeyboard, but I don't know exactly how it works
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
Oh I see. It seems to only be available in SDDM, which is strange. I would have hoped that executable would be system-wide.
<samueldr>
it may be a qtquick thing
<adisbladis>
samueldr: Yeah I packaged it back in december :)
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<samueldr>
adisbladis: thanks! and also, IIRC 17.09's qt versions of dependencies were too low, weren't they?
<adisbladis>
samueldr: Yeah I think so.
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
adisbladis: So am I just missing a configuration option somewhere?
<adisbladis>
samueldr: In a plasma session you set the environment variable QT_IM_MODULE=qtvirtualkeyboard
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<\\\\\\\\\\\>
Whoa, is that documented somewhere?
<adisbladis>
samueldr: It's also available always on the lock screen, it's a button down in the left corner
<jtojnar>
cool, we also had caribou and onboard, might be nice to have an a11y section in manual
<samueldr>
(I'll have to look later tonight, got to work :) )
<samueldr>
correct me if I'm wrong, but this won't work with non-qt apps, right?
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<samueldr>
well, QT_IM_MODULE pretty much says it :)
<jtojnar>
\\\\\\\\\\\: okay, auto-hiding now works
<samueldr>
sorry betaboon, doesn't ring a bell, (working now so can't really help)
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<betaboon>
samueldr: that you for your help anyway :) feels like I'm getting closer
<samueldr>
I'm assuming you have your yarn2nix.nix file, and are using mkYarnPackage since I see yarn_home
<samueldr>
so at least looks like it started okay, maybe angular does something weird with npm dependencies?
<samueldr>
or it's possible your yarn lockfile is stale?
<samueldr>
as in, it's missing dependencies that packages.json has?
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<\\\\\\\\\\\>
jtojnar: cool, I'll check it out when I get off work.
<betaboon>
samueldr: I'm not quite sure, will have to talk to our web-dev. i just tried keeping the temp-build-dir: the yarn_home/.cache/yarn/v1/ is completly empty. so i assume something else might have gone wrong :/
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→ e6095510 by @LnL7: vim-nix: 2018-04-15 -> 2018-04-24
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→ 5eea946c by @LnL7: Merge pull request #39492 from LnL7/vim-nix
<samueldr>
I had some help initially when setting up JS build, and have been carrying over the same script + setup with the generated (and comitted) .nix file
<betaboon>
sanscoeur: or I'm misinterpreting the readme xD
<betaboon>
samueldr: ^ xD
<samueldr>
looks like you're misinterpreting my name, but nah, that's what the readme seems to say
<samueldr>
betaboon: in case I wasn't clear, yes, I think you're right, it seems to say it will generate as needed (and the code does look like it should)
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
jtojnar: Alright. Man, there's a lot of set up for this.
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<betaboon>
samueldr: you were clear enought. just sharing the location that tells the truth :D
<nick_l>
Is there any way in which nixops can be used to create and tear down machine, change types, etc. without it being in an eternal state of misery?
<betaboon>
i guess i will figure it out eventually
<nick_l>
machines*
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<dx_>
misery? how come..
<betaboon>
nick_l: are you talking about changing the machine-backend ? (eg from none to container)?
<nick_l>
nur0n0: on later reflection, that's a good solution too.
<zybell_>
it makes the hash predictable for plugins
<simpson>
nick_l: What's your actual goal?
<nick_l>
simpson: I suppose I wanted to know the canonical way to point at a POSIX shell.
<nick_l>
simpson: in particular it seems that nixpkgs contains bugs now.
<nick_l>
see pkgs/tools/networking/airfield/default.nix on line 52.
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<nick_l>
nur0n0: isn't dash an Ubuntu thing?
<maurer>
dash is a debianism
<maurer>
Ubuntu inherited it
<maurer>
It's a minimal posix-compliant shell that's faster at being posix-compliant than bash is
<maurer>
Basically, they figured if they had to write all their shell scripts to be posix compliant anyways
<nick_l>
Ah, it comes from ash. I like ash.
<maurer>
they might as well write a shell that can do it fast
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[nixpkgs] @LnL7 opened pull request #39502 → harfbuzz: add CoreText support for darwin → https://git.io/vpcFR
<maurer>
(when I tried multiuser nix on debian several years back, assumptions that /bin/sh was a bash-compatible shell was one of the things that ended up biting me)
<maurer>
(since debian has /bin/sh as dash instead)
<nick_l>
I think we should just have a pkg in nixpkgs for "fastest_sh", "smallest_sh", "most_portable_sh", etc.
<nick_l>
Then people don't need to care about the branding anymore.
<nick_l>
And changing it in one place changes it everywhere.
<simpson>
nick_l: Great! How do we tell which sh is fastest?
<nick_l>
simpson: with benchmarks obviously?
<sir_guy_carleton>
which benchmarks?
<simpson>
nick_l: Great! Which benchmarks should we use and why?
<nick_l>
simpson: I am pretty sure that when supporting infrastructure is available people would want to report their numbers.
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<simpson>
nick_l: Shouldn't we call it `fastest_sh_for_simpson` then?
<nick_l>
simpson: I think that's fairly theoretical.
<nick_l>
simpson: it's an easy position to defend, sure.
<nick_l>
simpson: because I need to provide proof for something which cannot be proven, but yet would still be a good idea.
<{^_^}>
[nixpkgs] @veprbl opened pull request #39503 → sacrifice: fix runtime on darwin → https://git.io/vpcbq
<simpson>
nick_l: Not all ideas are good. Anyway, I'm sure that PRs would be welcome if you want to help out on this front. AFAICT there isn't a way to ask for ${pkgs.posix-sh}/bin/sh, and it would probably be useful for folks.
<simpson>
posix-sh = dash;
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<nick_l>
simpson: I suppose what I want it that I just specify "<you figure it out shell>" and then the build system just runs with all known shells and then returns the one that is fastest as a commit into the system that I actually use with a different build system.
<ixxie>
does anybody know of a comprehensive *list* of open-source software with a nice API and ideally also a categorization?
<ixxie>
I wanna cross reference with nix search to figure out, for example, what python packages for data science are missing from nixpkgs
<dx_>
how do i not goto graphical login, so that i have to do startx myself manually.. for that
<milka>
Hi again, uninstalling a package with nix-env -e PACKAGE does not work. The files are still present and the binary is still there. What I did wrong? https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/#sec-ad-hoc-packages
<symphorien>
what package are you trying to remove ?
<milka>
nylas-mail
<ixxie>
thanks symphorien
<milka>
-bin
<zybell_>
nick_l:simpson:env goes by path. if a real file is earlier in path than a symlink (after infrastructure resolved)(priority)and dash puts its file as sh and the link to dash and bash does the reverse. you will get what you want
<simpson>
zybell_: But this is Nix; people shouldn't have to do that if they just want the right shell in nixpkgs, should they?
<steveeJ>
offlinehacker[m]: do you think we could achieve k8s-self-hosting on NixOS?
<symphorien>
milka: you are installing there, right ?
<milka>
I had only 474 symlinks. Why?
<simpson>
zybell_: Answered my own question. From the nixpkgs manual, stdenv.shell is 'Bash. This is the shell used for all builders in the Nix Packages collection. Not using /bin/sh removes a large source of portability problems.'
<symphorien>
milka: I don't understand the question
<milka>
symphorien: I do not understand your question.
<Lisanna>
error: cannot open connection to remote store 'daemon': executing SQLite statement 'pragma synchronous = normal': disk I/O error (in '/nix/var/nix/db/db.sqlite')
<Lisanna>
ah crap
<\\\\\\\\\\\>
Anyone have a link to a nix-env rosetta? Hopefully one that includes pacman.
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→ ba52ae50 by @Ericson2314: treewide: isArm -> isAarch32
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→ 948c8dc4 by @Ericson2314: Merge pull request #37401 from obsidiansystems/aarch32
<sasoiliev>
I'm trying to get external devices (USB stick, Android phone, etc.) show up in Nautilus when connected
<symphorien>
\\\\\\\\\\\: with a mere github account, you can edit it to make it suit your taste ;)
<sasoiliev>
I am running xmonad as a window manager.
<ixxie>
so we are about halfway to ubuntu in terms of raw package count
<sasoiliev>
I've added 'services.gnome3.gvfs.enable = true;' in configuration.nix.
<symphorien>
sasoiliev: did you logout/login since then ?
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<sir_guy_carleton>
i want to try powerlevel9k, but oh-my-zsh looks for its themes in its own custom directory, while nix puts powerlevel9k in its own directory
<sasoiliev>
looking at ps output, the gvfs-* processes are not running and I'm not sure why and I'm also not sure who is supposed to launch them...
<sir_guy_carleton>
i think if i modify programs.zsh.interactiveShellInit with ZSH_CUSTOM to point to the powerlevel9k directory in the nix store, it might work, but I'm not sure how to do that. any ideas?
<acowley>
LnL: is that missing support in nix-shell by design or an oversight?
<LnL>
yes, because it works fine for stuff with a single output
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<LnL>
unless there's a good reason for it, no idea how it magically finds stuff
<acowley>
So one option would be for me to use a patched feh that only uses a single output
<LnL>
oh hold on, doesn't it look at PATH?
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<nick_l>
I helped track down a kernel bug. Do I get a cookie now?
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<LnL>
yeah
<acowley>
nick_l: yes
<LnL>
that's how it work
<LnL>
PATH=./result/bin:$PATH man hello
<zybell_>
sasoilev there is something like dbus-<sth> --monitor (cant remember rn)
<LnL>
works*
<nick_l>
\o/
<acowley>
I guess I don't really understand how multiple outputs works. I would have thought that passing something like feh.man to nix-shell -p would be as though you had a single-output derivation feh-man.
<LnL>
acowley: so the fact that manpath automatically works is because of an assumption that's not true for multiple outputs
<tmplt>
Would someone mind checking if `nix-shell -p geant4` fails real quick? It points to a set-to-string coersion error in make-derivation.nix on my system.
<zybell_>
should tell you what is going on on dbus
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<srhb>
tmplt: Same error.
<acowley>
LnL: Is the right thing, then, for me to set MANPATH in shell.nix? Would that break the existing man paths?
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<LnL>
you can extend it
<tmplt>
srhb: you happen to know how this should be reported?
<acowley>
LnL: I notice it's not set at all right now
<simpson>
tmplt: As a hint, nix-repl tells me that it's not a derivation, but { override = «lambda»; overrideDerivation = «lambda»; v10_0_2 = «derivation /nix/store/88rzy6d6k1mjai9rnjgq9aw2zq867aj9-geant4-10.0.2.drv»; }
<acowley>
LnL: So if I set it, I think that will disable whatever alternate path is used to populate the output of manpath
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<LnL>
ah, not sure
* acowley
puts on a lab coat and protective eyewear
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<acowley>
Yep, that's what happened
<acowley>
I can set MANPATH myself, but then something like "man emacs" no longer works (I have emacs installed with nix-env)
<tmplt>
simpson: I'm not entirely sure what to do with that info. Is geant4 declared incorrectly?
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<acowley>
Oh duh
<acowley>
man manpath is very informative
<simpson>
tmplt: I guess? I don't know, but `geant4.v10_0_2` appears to be a thing that I can build.
<simpson>
Actually, I haven't tried building it.
<acowley>
You can prefix (or suffix) MANPATH to have its contents appended (or prepended) onto manpath's automagic.
<acowley>
So I can do `MANPATH=":${feh.man}/share/man";` in my shell.nix
<acowley>
Not great usability on the part of nix-shell
<tmplt>
simpson: it seems to resolve to the same derivation, nothing was rebuilt after installing geant4 via nix-env
<simpson>
tmplt: It is compiling for me; it may take a few minutes.
<jtojnar>
zybell_: dbus-monitor
<jtojnar>
and we also have a graphical tool called bustle which does the same
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<simpson>
tmplt: Sorry, I don't want to spend more CPU time on this. But I was able to `:b geant4.v10_0_2` in my REPL and it started compiling stuff.
<tmplt>
simpson: no worries; thanks for finding the actual derivation for me!
<dx_>
guys, how do we distinguish if gcc is coming clang ?
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<mightybyte>
How do packages in a binary cache get signed? Do they get signed when they're built, when they get copied to the cache, or some other time?
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<johnw>
shlevy: how do I setup nix-buffer to just use the default.nix I'm currently using with nix-build and nix-shell
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[nixpkgs] @benley opened pull request #39506 → strongswan: include curl plugin by default → https://git.io/vpCk6
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<steveeJ>
I'm trying to write a custom unpackCmd, but I'm having trouble doing anything, as the commands are executed as nixbild* user, but $src is owned by root
<mightybyte>
zybell_: So you provide the key when you run `nix copy`?
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<clever>
steveeJ: you have to copy from $src to .
<steveeJ>
clever: what is . ?
<steveeJ>
is it $out?
<clever>
the current directory
<mightybyte>
Anyone know what user is set up by default on the NixOS EC2 AMI?
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<steveeJ>
clever: well, that's the obvious :-) I meant, what meaning does it have to the builder
<clever>
steveeJ: the builder starts in a tmpdir that the unpackPhase is supposed to unpack the source into
<steveeJ>
I thought that src stuff happens in $src, and installPhase stuff is supposed to touch $out
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→ c1f45f76 by @veprbl: sacrifice: fix runtime on darwin
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→ 18da50d8 by @Mic92: Merge pull request #39503 from veprbl/pr/sacrifice_darwin_fix
<infinisil>
pirateking: What are you asking me specifically this?
<pirateking>
i'm curious if that kind of thing would work in nix. i'm too new to know
<pirateking>
resolve the syslink
<pirateking>
symlink*
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[nixpkgs] @qknight opened pull request #39507 → dovecot2: added ssl_dh using security.dhparams → https://git.io/vpCqP
<pirateking>
it gets the parent directory , even through symlinks, but i was hoping you'd be able to quickly see if you could edit it to get the file for you to use as an import
<infinisil>
Nix isn't bash
<infinisil>
Has nothing to do with it
<clever>
infinisil: what are you doing with the symlink in nix?
<pirateking>
bash is what drives the build scripts
<pirateking>
for nixpkgs
<infinisil>
clever: I just put together a simplified example
<clever>
pirateking: but it cant help when using import in nix
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[nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed commit from @ngortheone to release-18.03 « growPartition: fix volume resizing on EC2 NVME instances »: https://git.io/vpCqp
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<Dezgeg>
hm, symlinks work correctly for me
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<pirateking>
clever: not easily no. i was assuming they'd take apart the import code if they needed an unsupported solution
<Thedarkb-X40>
Do you plan on dropping i686 any time soon?
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<iitalics>
the manual says "Profiles and user environments are Nix’s mechanism for implementing the ability to allow different users to have different configurations"
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[nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed commit from @MichielDerhaeg to master « verifast: 14.5 -> 18.02 (#39480) »: https://git.io/vpC30
<Thedarkb-X40>
Will it be much more RAM hungry compared to Lubuntu?
<Thedarkb-X40>
This is maxed out.
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<iitalics>
its only that certain commands grab a big list and use too much RAM
<iitalics>
the idle system uses a reasonable amount
<MichaelRaskin>
I think so. NixOS is OK in run-time, but calculating the update eats RAM like nom nom nom
<Thedarkb-X40>
I want to use Debian but it refuses to co-operate with my WiFi card.
<Thedarkb-X40>
and it won't tell me why it won't work.
<Thedarkb-X40>
dmesg just spits out "wlp2s2 not ready"
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<MichaelRaskin>
And I haven't used an x86 with <4GiB RAM for a long time (oh well, I also don't use a core part of NixOS anymore), so I don't remember how much is needed
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<Thedarkb-X40>
I'm a big fan of TinyCore Linux.
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<iitalics>
OK say i want to use and configure DWM, which requires editing a header file and recompiling the program
<iitalics>
do i need to write a custom nix expression and point to it from my global configuration.nix ?
<srhb>
iitalics: Yes and no.
<clever>
iitalics: you can also edit ~/.config/nixpkgs/config.nix and run nix-env -iA to install the changes
<MichaelRaskin>
You can just pass patches to Nixpkgs dwm expression
<iitalics>
clever: i've never heard of this file, where is it documented?
<justanotheruser>
I don't know. I finished the nix docs and I read the nixos docs earlier. I'm trying to put them together. If I want to create an isolated environment for nix-shell, I want to use buildEnv on an environment similar to how configuration.nix is set up right?
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<infinisil>
Nah, buildEnv doesn't have much to do with a nixos configuration
<infinisil>
Nixos uses the module system to allow you to set nixos related things, and those don't generally make sense for something like a nix-shell
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<infinisil>
You could use the module system to set buildEnv stuff, but there's not much to be set there so it doesn't make much sense
<infinisil>
That's why buildEnv is just a plain function
<justanotheruser>
infinisil: basically my end goal is to create a development environment which I can easily instantiate locally or can ship to an EC2 instance
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<zybell_>
infinisil:but if you use hardlink instead of softlink another inconsistecy arises:result depends on kind of link.
<justanotheruser>
a python service and a database instance
<infinisil>
justanotheruser: yeah, just use buildEnv, gonna work perfectly fine
<infinisil>
Oh
<infinisil>
zybell_: Well hardlinks are very different from softlinks so that doesn't surprise me
<justanotheruser>
Why is it that buildEnv doesn't have much to do with nixos configuration then? Seems analogous?
<infinisil>
justanotheruser: while you could in theory make a nix-shell that starts such services every time you launch it, that sounds very odd. So you probably want the system to run those instead
<iitalics>
why isn't .nix-profile created automatically? how should i create it without using "nix-env -i" ?
<justanotheruser>
Well if I am looking for easiness to deploy, then I should run in locally the same way as it,s deployed, no?
<infinisil>
justanotheruser: Well, buildEnv is similar to nixos' environment.systemPackages option, but other than that they don't have many similarities
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<justanotheruser>
ah ok
<infinisil>
justanotheruser: you can create a nixos module to run the services
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<infinisil>
Then use this same module locally and in the deployment
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<justanotheruser>
do you know where I can find some good buildEnv examples? I've not found much in terms of documentation