<ylwghst>
clever: if im currenly on stable and want to test build something like this nvidia driver from github.com/nixos/nixpkgs master is to safe to build this way? Should I do it?
<clever>
ylwghst: the nvidia stuff is being specialized for every kernel
<gchristensen>
dhess_: yep just got back
<ylwghst>
build it*
<clever>
ylwghst: and you want to override the one under the kernel your using
<clever>
ylwghst: the simplest way is to run "git checkout <rev>" with the stable revision your on (nixos-version says it)
<dhess_>
gchristensen: ok. So I installed the multi-user setup on a new Mac yesterday. I've been running single-user all this time but I like the idea of an unprivileged account(s) doing the builds, rather than using my account, least privilege and all that
<gchristensen>
sure
<dhess_>
gchristensen: so I was surprised to see that store operations are done as root!
<manveru>
LnL: ok, but what's the missing thing then?
<gchristensen>
sorry?
<dhess_>
downloads as well
<gchristensen>
come again?
<dhess_>
gchristensen: nix-download or whatever it is, and the unpacking of narfiles etc are being done as the root account
<gchristensen>
wat
<ylwghst>
clever: yeah thats sounds good
<gchristensen>
LnL: can you verify this?
<dhess_>
builds are done as nixbld1 etc, but *not* the downloads or writing of /nix/store
<LnL>
manveru: no idea what *** abort because of serious configure-time warning from Cabal means
<gchristensen>
dhess_: what is the easiest way for me to test this?
<samueldr>
it's a common pattern with configuration files
<ylwghst>
samueldr: nice work dude
<samueldr>
ylwghst: cursor thing?
<ylwghst>
thats what we really needed
<samueldr>
sadly, it didn't port over sddm
<samueldr>
somewhere else the environment is "lost", and then I lost interest
<samueldr>
it would be a bother if it is strongly dependent on the DM
<ylwghst>
sure
<ylwghst>
is there way to chane the cursor which X uses?
<ylwghst>
but this propably should work on wayland too when x will be "gone"
<ylwghst>
probably*
<sdhand>
samueldr: ah I was incorrect, it's in the config for the theme
<sdhand>
Still not the qml
<sdhand>
Just the ini-style config
<samueldr>
might be harder to patch in, I don't really have recommendations
<sdhand>
But I'm gonna wager this makes things a bit trickier
<samueldr>
probably something with overriding derivations, which I'm still getting used to
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<samueldr>
well, I haven't really done, which means that I'm not actively getting used to that
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<Lisanna>
is there something like stdenv but without all the gcc dependencies etc.? i.e., something basic that accepts buildInputs, does the shebang patching, etc.
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<ylwghst>
samueldr: are you about to try implement it into service module?
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<samueldr>
ylwghst: no, I only shared it there
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<samueldr>
I'm not sure the way it's implemented is good
<samueldr>
but it does work for personal uses
<ylwghst>
btw
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] jbboehr opened pull request #32186: nixos: i2pd: fix attribute check in inTunnels (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vbIRD
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<hyphon81>
Are there somebody would like to use OpenStack Newton on NixOS 16.09? I made nix codes for build OpenStack environment on NixOS. Now, it can build on 17.03 and 17.09. However, it dosen't work on 16.09<=.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] peterhoeg pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbIrb
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 9a4cd40 Peter Hoeg: gemrb: 0.8.1 -> 0.8.5...
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<vaibhavsagar>
these new AWS announcements seem pretty cool
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<vaibhavsagar>
would be cool if we could model the dependency graph of a package in a graph database and use the S3 select API to pull all dependencies in parallel
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<zab>
How are you guys conveniently keeping config info on github? I ended up importing my entire config from a module in my home directory dotfile repository. Seems... Sketchy at best
<zab>
That's obviously for a one user pc
<pie__>
does anyone make nixos shurikens
<pie__>
havent seen any distro logos more implicating for the ninja sysadmin narrative
<drakonis>
that's actually a snowflake?
<drakonis>
oh wait
<drakonis>
its a lambda
<zab>
a bunch of lambdas
<drakonis>
how did i not see this before
<samueldr>
lambdaflake
<drakonis>
a hexagon of lambdas
<drakonis>
it looks like a snowflake
<zab>
I think it's called a flock
<zab>
no that's lambs
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<vaibhavsagar>
zab: your /etc/nixos/configuration.nix can be "{ imports = [/home/<user>/<nixos-config-repo>/configuration.nix]; }"
<vaibhavsagar>
when I learned this my life greatly improved
<zab>
Yep, that's what I ended up doing. Didn't know if that was normal
<vaibhavsagar>
I don't know if it's normal, but it's what I do too
<vaibhavsagar>
never had any issues
<zab>
Cool, I'll stick to it then
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<tsuki1>
howdy folks
<tsuki1>
how can i change the sddm greeter background to a custom image?
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<Bfnenzncbrnsd>
Is cache.nixos.org down?
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<Lisanna>
Bfnenzncbrnsd: Nope
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<fearlessKim[m]>
I want to the buid the kernel with `autoModules = stdenv.platform.kernelAutoModules;` set to false, so basically I have to either to override the stdenv.platform or cross compile with a hostPlatform setting ? according to https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/#sec-cross-usage, I should run nix-build <nixpkgs> --arg crossSystem '(import <nixpkgs/lib>).systems.examples.fooBarBaz' but then what's the point of setting
<fearlessKim[m]>
hostPlatform in kernel/generic.nix ?
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<bkchr>
Hi, is there some callback or some other way to run commands after nixos-rebuild switch finished to switch to the new generation?
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<tilpner>
You can run commands as part of the switching ("activation"), via system.activationScripts
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<tilpner>
bkchr - But you have to be very careful not to break that, and it can be run multiple times
<tilpner>
Oh, I wouldn't suggest running "kquitapp5 plasmashell;plasmashell" from your activationScripts
<bkchr>
I thought of some more logic
<bkchr>
But I know that this bug is frustrating
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<sphalerite>
Upgrading debian is such a pain 😢
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<tilpner>
bkchr - I think you just want to set systemd.services.display-manager.reloadIfChanged = true;, no?
<hyper_ch>
hey tilpner, you run kde5?
<tilpner>
No
<hyper_ch>
awwww
<spacemonkey243>
hi, is there a safer way to pass a password option to a nixos service, than just having a file somewhere? For example the mysql server need a root password on setup.
<bkchr>
But that would reload the whole display-manager
<tilpner>
bkchr - Though you probably don't want to switch from plasma in that case. If display-manager dies as part of the activation, the VTE switching will die too. So switch from a TTY just to be safe
<tilpner>
bkchr - I thought that's what you wanted :/
<bkchr>
Yeah I think it would work
<bkchr>
But, I'm thinking about a more user friendly way
<hyper_ch>
spacemonkey243: I have a secrets file which I load into my configuration.nix - so I can track configuration.nix by bit... however the password would still be in /nix/store somewhere....
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<bkchr>
Restarting the diplay-manager is not user friendly :D
<tilpner>
Oh, this is not for just your machine?
<hyper_ch>
spacemonkey243: but that would still be world readable... not sure if that helps
<bkchr>
I thought of writing a more general patch
<hyper_ch>
(I don't mind for myself, as nobody dares touching my notebook)
<bkchr>
For me it is okay, to restart my machine :D
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: Do you use NixOps?
<adisbladis>
Man it would be cool to switcheroo plasma after a system upgrade
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<adisbladis>
But it feels like it might be dangerous
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] orivej pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vbI90
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 64f945e Orivej Desh: Revert "qt48: use tabs in the Makefile patch"...
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<bkchr>
yeah, maybe not that easy
<etu>
adisbladis: kwin_x11 --replace ;)
<adisbladis>
etu: I know of that one but there are lots of other components at play
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<spacemonkey243>
hyper_ch: yeah, I was hoping for something non world readable, or at least encrypted
<hyper_ch>
for user there's initialhashedpassword
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<hyper_ch>
did you check the mysql/mariadb option if you can also use a hashed password?
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: I'm not using nixops, but I was planning to read up on it
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<Lisanna>
any of you know if there's a thing like stdenv but without the gcc stuff? i.e., still does all the shebang patching, buildInputs, etc.
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: The safest way to do that right now is to use NixOps. Look into deployment.keys
<spacemonkey243>
hyper_ch: I'm not sure, but thanks for the pointer!
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: ok, thank's a lot, I'll read up on that then
<dhess`>
It deploys password files and key files to /run/keys, with the proper file permissions, so that they can be read or used to create configuration files.
<dhess`>
/run/keys is a tmpfs so it's not persisted.
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<dhess`>
and nothing is stashed in the Nix store.
<hyper_ch>
spacemonkey243: there isn't any option for mysql
<tilpner>
Lisanna - Wouldn't that be stdenvNoCC?
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: and the tmpfs will be on the host machine?
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: It's on the target machine
<dhess`>
NixOps will scp the files there from the deployment machine.
<dhess`>
On the deployment machine you can keep them in an encrypted fs, a git-crypt repo, etc.
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: ok, thanks
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: many NixOS services are not currently set up to work this way, but there's an effort underway to fix things.
<orivej>
Lisanna: stdenvNoCC
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<Lisanna>
tilpner: orivej: thanks!!
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: well, if there's a more or less agreed upon pass regarding what needs changing, I'd be glad to help with that
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: hm, quick aside, I haven't read the manual completely, but is it possible to use the localhost as a targetHost for a nixops deployment?
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: You can deploy to the deployment machine, if that's what you mean
<dhess`>
I manage my deployment machine with NixOps.
<dhess`>
The manual is not clear on that and I asked the same thing when I was getting started with it :)
<spacemonkey243>
dhess`: oh wow, ok, that's cool
<dhess`>
spacemonkey243: Yeah initial setup needs to be done by hand, of course, but then on your first deployment, the machine is managed by NixOps from that point forward.
<dhess`>
just don't forget to disable auto-updates on any host you manage with NixOps. auto-update will clobber the NixOps profile.
<dhess`>
because auto-update only knows how to use the configuration that you put in /etc/nixos/configuration.nix
<dhess`>
and NixOps doesn't touch that at all.
<tilpner>
dhess` - What advantages over nixos-rebuild does that give you, apart from secrets management?
<dhess`>
tilpner: You mean NixOps in general, or managing your NixOps deployment host with NixOps, specifically?
<tilpner>
Using nixops to deploy to the machine running nixops
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<dhess`>
tilpner: for me it's just consistency. One set of configuration files manages all the hosts. They all are built from the same version of Nixpkgs, etc.
<dhess`>
No need to maintian both your NixOps configurations and a separate one-off config for the deployment host.
<dhess`>
Also it makes it really easy to create new deployment hosts when you want to upgrade the hardware :)
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<tilpner>
Oh, I don't share much configuration between local and remote devices (laptop, server), and I already made it use the same nixpkgs for nixos-rebuild and nixops
<tilpner>
(Didn't get overlays working though)
<vaibhavsagar>
is there a reason that nixos-17.09 hasn't moved in a few days?
<vaibhavsagar>
nixos-17.09-small and nixos-17.09-darwin have moved but not nixos-17.09 proper
<dhess`>
tilpner: for me it's things like secure defaults (disabling password auth in ssh), ntp servers, dns servers, my personal user account and shell configuration, etc. Those things are pretty much the same across all of my fleets
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<tilpner>
dhess` - You're right, there's some sharing. I'll consider it for whenever I can break my config again :)
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<dhess`>
:)
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<Lisanna>
this question kind of applies to all Linux, but Nix makes it more of an issue: how does a program know where to find datafiles it needs? e.g., an installer would likely put them in /usr/share, and the program in /usr/bin. But the installer could use otherprefixes other than /usr (like /usr/local, or ~/localinstall, or /nix/store/blah)
<Lisanna>
so what's the "right way" to find a <prefix>/share datafile in Linux?
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<tilpner>
Lisanna - Relative to environment variables or the executable seems like the most robust option
<Lisanna>
tilpner: so take advantage of argv[0] ?
<tilpner>
Or /proc/self/exe, yes
<Lisanna>
how could I use /proc/self/exe?
<Lisanna>
with argv[0] or bash's $0 I know how I could use that to traverse up a directory and then down into e.g. ./share
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<Lisanna>
ohhh, /proc/self/exe is a symlink
<Lisanna>
I didn't know /proc used symlinks...
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<Turion>
How can "nix-shell -p mesa mesa_glu" succeed, where "nix-env -i mesa mesa_glu" complains that no derivation mesa_glu exists?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbI5b
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 1e4d675 Vladimír Čunát: nvidia_x11_legacy304: 304.135 -> 304.137...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b934716 Vladimír Čunát: nvidia_x11_legacy304: fix build with kernel 4.14...
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<Turion>
Could it be related to nix-env showing me "Warning: name collisions in input nix expression..."?
<tilpner>
Turion - The names in nix-shell are interpreted as attribute paths, while they are interpreted as derivation names with nix-env
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<Turion>
tilpner, aahhh, thanks :)
<tilpner>
Turion - Try with nix-env -iA nixpkgs.mesa nixpkgs.mesa_glu
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<Turion>
tilpner: I see. Strangely, it downloads different versions of the package for nix-shell than for nix-env
<tilpner>
Please run nix-shell -p nix-info --run nix-info
<tilpner>
(Maybe nix-info should offer to optionally gist the output?)
<Turion>
tilpner: Hm yes, this is surprising... can't remember getting 18.03 channel...
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<tilpner>
What's weird about this are the root channels
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<Turion>
So that's just running nix-info in the console (not in a nix-shell)
<tilpner>
Your nixos-17.03.1944.6233be812f in channels(root) might be the reason for this, but I can't debug this right now, sorry
<Turion>
tilpner: Ah great, maybe I can somehow get rid of it
<Turion>
tilpner: Yes... I have the following weird setup: My CPU needs a <= 4.1 kernel, my soundcard needs >= 4.0, so I needed to clone nixpkgs and manually revert the commit where the 4.1 kernel was deleted from nixpkgs.
<Turion>
So when I upgrade my system, I just run as root something like "nix-rebuild switch -I nixpkgs=path/to/my/local/clone
<Turion>
Just realised that nix-channel --add just silently fails if a channel name already exists..?
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<Turion>
What's the difference between the nixos channel and the nixpkgs channel?
<LnL>
the nixos channels only update when tests pass
<LnL>
using nixpkgs for your system could potentially make it unbootable, etc.
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<Turion>
hyper_ch, LnL, ahh, makes sense, thanks :)
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<Turion>
So why should I even have a nixpkgs channel?
<sphalerite>
you don't need to
<LnL>
you can install packages from it :)
<sphalerite>
in fact you probably shouldn't. Although it won't cause any harm beyond potential confusion.
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<etu>
jtojnar: I'm experiencing a weird issue regarding keyboard-layout since gnome 3.26. Left arrow registers as ISO_Level3_Shift, Up arrow registers as Screenshot. I don't know how to debug this :D
<Turion>
sphalerite, alright... well, confusion is something that I currently have a lot, so maybe that's a cause ;)
<Turion>
LnL, but are there any relevant packages that aren't on the nixos channel?
<LnL>
no, it just updates faster
<sphalerite>
Turion: no. nixpkgs-unstable and nixos-xx.yy/nixos-unstable are all just different versions of the same hting
<LnL>
wht I do for example is use the tested nixos release for my system but overlay user packages from nixpkgs-unstable
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<LnL>
that way I get the latest version for stuff I care about but still use a stable release
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<Turion>
sphalerite, LnL: Ahhh, I just leveled up in nixos I think. Now on level 2 of 99.
<srhb>
Turion: That would be so awesome. We could gamify it by making sure there's a user file that updates based on usage of nix-build, nix-instantiate and friends.
<srhb>
Achievement unlocked: NixWiz.
<sphalerite>
lol
<Turion>
srhb: Absolutely ;) but it would mean introducing state. We could also let the user declare their level in the config, and based on it, commands will be noob-friendly or powerful
<srhb>
Turion: Clearly a better idea. :-P
<sphalerite>
just gamify the shell as a whole. Keep it working as normal, just feed every command into an achievements program :p
<Turion>
E.g. When you're level 1, you can't even choose channels. The current LTS is your channel. Gnome is installed by default.
<srhb>
sphalerite: yesss
<sphalerite>
WIth zsh you don't even need to do anything special, it already has a history file with enough metadata
<sphalerite>
Turion: lol lts
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<srhb>
"Half a year should be enough for anyone."
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<Turion1>
Yay, so I've now removed the nixpkgs channel, and nix-info now reads: system: "x86_64-linux", multi-user?: yes, version: nix-env (Nix) 1.12pre5732_fd10f6f2, channels(root): "nixos-18.03pre121670.4cbbecc85db", channels(turion): "nixos-18.03pre121253.2f1a818d00", nixpkgs: /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/nixos/nixpkgs
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<Turion1>
As user, when I do nix-channel --list, do I also see the channel that root added?
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<clever>
Turion1: no
<Turion1>
clever: Ok, but nix-env -i still sees it, unless I mess with my ~/.nix*
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<clever>
correct, nix-env can see channels from the user&root
<clever>
but nix-channel can only see the ones from the current user
<Turion1>
Ok, very good :) then I've managed to clean up my system somewhat
<clever>
generaly, you just use channels on root and thats it
<clever>
user channels are more for a multi-user system where you lack root
<sphalerite>
nix-env is annoying and uses ~/.nix-defexpr which symlinks to root's channels
<sphalerite>
nix 1.12 will fix that eventually with a new "nix install" command
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<sphalerite>
until then, I recommend always using nix-env with -f (usually -f '<nixpkgs>'
<sphalerite>
)
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<clever>
you can also nix-env -iA channelname.foo
<clever>
and ensure the channel names remain unique between users
* clever
heads off to bed
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<Turion1>
sphalerite, clever: Ah thanks!
<Turion1>
I never understood '<nixpkgs>' though.
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<sphalerite>
it means "nixpkgs on NIX_PATH"
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<sphalerite>
so if you echo $NIX_PATH, you'll typically see there's an entry that starts with nixpkgs=
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<sphalerite>
it will use that. Or if there's a directory not preceded by an =, it will check if that directory contains a nixpkgs and use that
<Turion1>
sphalerite: Ahhhh :) yes that makes sense. Nearing level 3.
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<Turion1>
And miraculously, OpenGLRaw now builds!
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<sphalerite>
you're really racking up the exp points x)
<Turion1>
Well it seems like I've found a camp with teachers where I can trade frustration XP for skill points
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<Turion1>
Ah, and setting the nixPath variable plays well with -f '<nixpkgs>'
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<sphalerite>
yep, that's exactly what nixPath is for :)
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<sphalerite>
uuuugh configuring stuff outside nixos is such a fuss
<sphalerite>
and gitlab is horrendously complex
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<srhb>
sphalerite: No kidding...
<srhb>
I asked yesterday, so a rerun: Does anyone know of a good way to version modules? What I'm aiming to avoid is littering a module file with lots of if versionthis then that else if versionfoo then bar ... etc. -- I'd like to have as few of these as possible, as "far up" as possible and then just duplicate code further down where need be.
<srhb>
I think that huge multiversion modules are difficult to maintain.
<sphalerite>
I can't get the nginx for ci.gitlab.strathtech.co.uk to serve the .well-known/acme-challenge directory right :(
<vaibhavsagar>
srhb: can you put the version-specific stuff in one file per version?
<srhb>
One issue I've bumped into in my first attempt is that parameterizing the top level config simply creates documentation for whatever the default version is and none of the others.
<srhb>
vaibhavsagar: That's what I want, yes. How to do it is my main issue :/
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<vaibhavsagar>
lots of nixos module merging?
<srhb>
So my next approach is service.moduleVersion2 = ...
<srhb>
And then make the versions mutually exclusive.
<srhb>
But that's also ugly. I'm not sure if it's acceptable.
<vcunat>
knedlsepp: our linuxHeaders are from 4.4, so it won't help in case you need symbols that were introduced later...
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<sphalerite>
srhb: another reason that it would be nice if not all modules were enabled by default…
<srhb>
sphalerite: Wait, _what_
<knedlsepp>
vcunat: If I'm not on NixOS could I override the linuxHeaders to match my machine?
<sphalerite>
srhb: ?
<vcunat>
I don't think the host OS matters, really
<srhb>
sphalerite: All modules are enabled by default? o_o
<sphalerite>
srhb: yes, as in evaluated. The actual functionality is guarded behind enable options usually, but they're all loaded and evaluated.
<adamt>
srhb: Maybe he means included in module-list.nix
<srhb>
Oh, right
<vcunat>
knedlsepp: the running kernel version will matter, most likely, when you actually run the result - but first you need to build stuff
<srhb>
Phew, that was a bit scary :P
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<sphalerite>
haha yes, that's what I meant
<vcunat>
knedlsepp: I would try to locally create linuxHeaders_4_14 for example and try building with that
<sphalerite>
but yeah, having them not included by default and using imports = … rather than enable options to enable them would be so nice
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<sphalerite>
and having specified dependencies between them
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<srhb>
Agreed..
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<knedlsepp>
vcunat: Thanks for the heads up. I just tried to figure out which kernel I'm runing and `uname -r` reports "4.4.74-92.29-default". So shouldn't our linuxHeaders 4.4 be enough?
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<vcunat>
knedlsepp: according to the git link, hfi1_user.h exists since kernel 4.3
<srhb>
Suggestion on improvements are extremely welcome.
<srhb>
(I haven't guarded the enables mutually yet, will do so)
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<knedlsepp>
vcunat: Ok. That's right. The error I get is that the following are undeclared: HFI1_EVENT_LINKDOWN, HFI1_EVENT_LMC_CHANGE, HFI1_EVENT_SL2VL_CHANGE, HFI1_EVENT_LID_CHANGE, HFI1_EVENT_TID_MMU_NOTIFY
<knedlsepp>
So it's possible that those symbols got introduced later than 4.4 and were backported by our provider?
<vcunat>
that's possible
<vcunat>
but during build it shouldn't matter what kernel you run
<vcunat>
HFI1_EVENT_TID_MMU_NOTIFY is since 4.6
<vcunat>
you can try with updated headers and see if it runs afterwards even on (your) 4.4 kernel
<knedlsepp>
Ok. So I will try to override the linuxHeaders. Does this by any chance mean that this will cause a mass rebuild of all my stuff? Or should I just override the headers for this specific package?
<knedlsepp>
vcunat: Thanks once again for your help!
<vcunat>
I would just create a new linuxHeaders_something
<vcunat>
and use that only for your package
<vcunat>
knedlsepp: ^^
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<romildo>
When updating NixOS unstable today I am getting
<romildo>
error: Package ‘webkitgtk-2.4.11’ in /nix/store/9m282aspvad18vc4d06j6r8jx8h0pc72-nixos-18.03pre121670.4cbbecc85db/nixos/pkgs/development/libraries/webkitgtk/2.4.nix:21 is marked as insecure, refusing to evaluate.
<romildo>
Any clues
<romildo>
?
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<hyper_ch>
tried to run it again?
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<romildo>
webkitgtk-2.4.11 is brought into packages to install because of the Haskell package webkit (which I have tried to add to my system).
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<vcunat>
romildo: it would be best to have a look if the haskell package can work with a newer version
<vcunat>
2.4.x has really lots of security holes nowadays
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<ocharles>
Has anyone encountered `<Error><Code>AuthFailure</Code><Message>AWS was not able to validate the provided access credentials</Message></Error>` in (shared) NixOps before?
<ocharles>
Googling just seems to suggest it's a time problem, but my local clock is correct
<ocharles>
The key in my environment variables works fine in another nixops deployment where I created the state, but I can't use the state that my colleague (in a different time zone) created
<ocharles>
I get that with `nixops check`
<maxp>
ocharles: how is it designed to work?
<ocharles>
I'm not sure I understand the question
<maxp>
ocharles: nix-ops is a program, which presumably has a design and a design document.
<maxp>
ocharles: you should be able to consult it and see whether what you want matches the design.
<ocharles>
I'm pretty sure running a command should work, not sure I need a design document to verify that :)
<maxp>
ocharles: if the semantics of the program include your desired behaviour, then you can file a bug.
<maxp>
ocharles: if there are no design documents, then they should first write some.
<maxp>
ocharles: otherwise, there is no telling what the program is supposed to do in the first place.
<joepie91>
ocharles: are you sure that the issue is on the nixops side, and it's not just a matter of eg. the credentials being region-limited?
<dhess`>
hey... this sounds familiar
<ocharles>
joepie91: Hm, I didn't know credentials could be region limited. In the management console, the region dropdown just says "global"
<maxp>
ocharles: credentials are region limited.
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<maxp>
ocharles: I would just run nix-ops in a debugger to extract the exact EC2 API call failing.
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<ocharles>
Well with --debug I can see that boto raises an exception at boto.ec2.connection.get_only_instances
<maxp>
ocharles: then you know what's wrong exactly. Next to that you find the AWS logs.
<maxp>
ocharles: with those two combined you should be able to figure it out.
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<ocharles>
I'm still not quite following what is meant by "credentials are region limited"
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<ocharles>
I can see the key that my colleague uses is working fine, and IAM shows "Last used: 2017-11-09 01:25 UTC with ec2 in us-east-1". I don't have the secret key associated with that, but if I add a new keypair, it still fails with the above error
<ocharles>
When allocating a keypair, I have no option about region
<ocharles>
I can understand policies being region limited, but not the credentials themselves
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<ocharles>
I should note that if I allocate keys, I can use those keys with `aws ec2 describe-instances`, which is why I think this is a NixOps problem
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<maxp>
I have seen people setup emacs where many emacs dependencies are managed by Nix in configuration.nix. Can someone pastebin their 17.09 compatible configuration?
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<guillaum3>
a nix build is impure when it comes to the "nix" executable used, or there is a kind of "bootstrap" which uses the "nix" executable from the currently used "nixpkgs"?
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<orivej>
guillaum3: AFAIK nixos-rebuild performs such bootstrap, but nix itself does not
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<ocharles>
Fixed my NixOps problem. The state file contains the access key, so all invocations have to use the same access key
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] edolstra closed pull request #32188: amazon-image: use NTP provided by the hypervisor (master...copumpkin-aws-ntp) https://git.io/vbIKk
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<guillaum3>
orivej: thank you.
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<pmeunier>
gchristensen: thanks! I just cargo-published a version that (really) gets rid of the infinite loops
<Phillemann>
Hm, when I put a haskell project into a docker container (which calls copy-closure I presume) I end up with a huge image containing ghc and gcc.
<pmeunier>
while still computing a fixpoint
<gchristensen>
ohh
<gchristensen>
I'll have to update, but I'm not looking forward to fixing those rebase conflicts again :$
<gchristensen>
any chance you could eliminate the merge from your branch?
<pmeunier>
I guess it's in a mergeable state now
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<romildo>
When I use Noto Sans as the default font on my unstable NixOS system, firefox shows numerals (in the search input box for instance) in a language I do not know. See https://snag.gy/pVXtuc.jpg
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<romildo>
Any clues?
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<sphalerite>
romildo: idk, but nice lol
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<Myrl-saki>
Does anyone here use Nix for Emacs config?
<Yaniel>
then I recommend asking in a haskell channel
<Yaniel>
oh, you mean caching haskell libs in nix
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<pi3r>
But there are a couple of problem with it. When I use a local package from my disk, every change is doing a full rebuild but then the shell is using the old derivation unless I change the cabal version
<pi3r>
This is a first problem because it forces me to artificially change the cabal version to be sure I am using what has been rebuilt ...
<Myrl-saki>
etu: Just eralized your followup messages. Thanks. Checking now.
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<pi3r>
I also have caching problem when using the callCabal2nix version. The cabal is not updated and consequently even when changing the sha, I still get the cached derivation
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<pi3r>
I mean the cabal version is not updated. Sorry
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<pi3r>
So how can I learn to get a proper setup that does not require me to change the cabal version ...
<pi3r>
whenever I want to be sure to have the latest derivation (corresponding to the sha256 when using callCabal2nix) and also locally. I guess there is some trick that I still don't know about.
<pi3r>
Is it a parameter I can pass to nix-shell to say "don't use any caching version ?"
<pi3r>
One way to do it I guess is to force an override with a different cabal version in release.nix but it looks like an heavy solution somehow.
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<pi3r>
another anomaly is that a local built displays a message "warning: dumping very large path (> 256 MiB); this may run out of memory". Without any consequence but quite annoying.
<pi3r>
A third anomaly is the fact that it keeps asking for an internet connection. That slows down "nix-shell bin/release.nix" quite a lot on the train (where I don't have an internet connection)
<mgttlinger>
Hi, I'm currently troubleshooting my laptop because after reboot it doesn't detect my wifi card anymore. I tried booting old generations of my system but the wifi chip wasn't detected there either. Any idea how I could have broken my system?
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<eraserhd>
LnL: What if we just guard bash_completion with a bash version check?
<mgttlinger>
not detected in the sense "missing from lspci output"
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<FRidh>
error: while setting up the build environment: unable to load seccomp BPF program: Invalid argument
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<FRidh>
This error I got when installing Nix 1.12 on an older Red Hat. Is this due to a certain requirement on the kernel or...?
<FRidh>
hmm guess its because the kernel is compiled without CONFIG_SECCOMP
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<trevorcook>
Hey all, I'm running into trouble entering a nix-shell that relies on gnuTLS. during the testing phase of gnuTLS, I encounter several fails when trying to STARTTLS over several protocols: ftp, pop3, lmtp, etc.
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<trevorcook>
any suggestions?
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<sphalerite>
If I have a tiny little haskell program (single file) that I've just been compiling with `nix-shell -p 'ghc.withPackages (ps: with ps; [ foo bar baz ])' --run 'ghc blarg.hs'`, how would I write a nix expression for it?
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<srhb>
sphalerite: If you really don't want to use cabal, with mkDerivation and then exactly the same, copying the output to $out
<srhb>
sphalerite: The normal builder uses cabal and is quite clean.
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<sphalerite>
Or rather: what would a good nix expression for it look like?
<sphalerite>
I just don't like how JuicyPixels is pulled in without being listed in the arguments
<sphalerite>
it certainly works, I just don't think it's very nice :p
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<srhb>
sphalerite: It's in ghc, therefore it's in the arguments. :)
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<sphalerite>
well by the same reasoning you could just have every package take { pkgs }:
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<srhb>
True. But the dependency between ghc and the packages of that specific ghc version is quite strong.
<tnks>
is there a new way to get the sha256 of a download?
<srhb>
tnks: Newer than what?
<tnks>
I'm still doing the old way of putting in a dummy sha256 and getting the error message.
<srhb>
tnks: nix-prefetch-url and friends
<tnks>
(which at one timea, I believe was the "official way")
<tnks>
maybe it wasn't... but I see that nix-prefetch-url will work.
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<sphalerite>
it is from the library to ghc, but not the other way
<srhb>
sphalerite: Not sure what you mean. ghc-pkg needs to know the package.
<sphalerite>
tnks: there's nix-build --hash in nixUnstable, which is sort of like the old approach except it will only download it once
<sphalerite>
i.e. it builds it, works out the hash, then puts it in the appropriate store path and tells you what the hash is so that it's already built for the next time you build it, with the correct hash that time
<knedlsepp>
Hi! I've got a Makefile that tries to call `$(os)-$(arch)`. I would like to export bash functions `os` and `arch` that would return that, but somehow I can't get it to work. Any suggestions?
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<sphalerite>
knedlsepp: those are make variables, not commands, IIUC
<sphalerite>
knedlsepp: try make os=foo arch=bar
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<mgttlinger>
FYi my network issues got resolved by taking the network card out and putting it in again so it seems is must have been some kind of connectivity issue.
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<sphalerite>
On the topic of nix-build --hash — just submitted this issue (thanks for reminding me tnks ), everyone please weigh in if you have an opinion and like nix-build --hash! https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/1706
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<bkchr>
Hi, I want to package a python application with buildPythonApplication. That works to far, but if I execute the program, I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/qeTHXs7w Already added gtk3 pyxdg to propagatedBuildInputs
<sphalerite>
why did nixos-17.03 update 2 days ago? O.o
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<sphalerite>
bkchr: you might need wrapGAppsHook. Not sure though
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<sphalerite>
(just add it to nativeBuildInputs)
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<bkchr>
sphalerite: nice, that was the solution. what is wrapGAppsHook doing?
<sphalerite>
bkchr: magic. I honestly don't know the exact details, just that it adds some env vars that fix GTK libraries magically
<sphalerite>
looking at the wrapper script it generates for your application might enlighten you at least a little bit
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<bkchr>
hmm okay :D
<infinisil>
Oh my god, I just packaged something in the first try! That is: write nix file in one go, nix-build, and it runs!
<infinisil>
Didn't even run nix-build twice to get the correct sha256
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<srhb>
infinisil: That's cheating. Minus five points.
<LnL>
eraserhd: do you mean at runtime or during activation?
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<trevorcook>
Hey again. I 'm stuck and could really use some help. If anybody has any advice I'd really appreciate it.
<trevorcook>
Here's my problem again... I'm running into trouble entering a nix-shell that relies on gnuTLS. during the testing phase of gnuTLS, I encounter several fails when trying to STARTTLS over several protocols: ftp, pop3, lmtp, etc. Shell output here: https://pastebin.com/GfNF2yCM
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<hyper_ch>
python is just too complicated for simple brains like mine :(
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<typeggzero>
my wacom tablett need 4.11 kernel, when does it arrive?
<ris>
hyper_ch: cool but i don't have time for that shit
<tilpner>
ris - AFAIK build-vm won't give you a full nixos experience
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<tilpner>
(But maybe you can adapt the build result to give you one, don't know)
<bordel>
I'm thinking about trying nixos for my new station, but I'd like to dig a bit into examples of people that did this, do you have any known repo on GH where someone put configs ?)
<hyper_ch>
bordel: what do you need to run?
<tilpner>
Hold on, there's a wiki entry for this
<bkchr>
I'm trying to use PlayonLinux, but it thinks that my architecture is x86 and not x86_64
<hyper_ch>
(and there's plenty of configuration.nix on github)
<bordel>
everything to be able to dev and correctly work
<tilpner>
hyper_ch - I don't see why not, but maybe consult #nixos-wiki about that
<eraserhd>
LnL: So there's a little problem with installing Mac applications with nix... Mac will find old versions in /nix/store if they aren't purged!
<tomster>
hey, if i find that a particular package has fixes on nixpgs/master but not yet on unstable - what's the recommended way to install just that package from master?
<goibhniu>
tomster: you can find it on hydra and then use `nix-store -r /nix/store/hash` to install it
<goibhniu>
you can find the hash in the out-path section on hydra
<tilpner>
That seems way too hard
<goibhniu>
... or you could use a clone of nixpkgs
<tilpner>
Just import master from GH and use that?
<tomster>
tilpner: that sounds promising. .how would i do that?
<tilpner>
tomster - Where/How do you want to use it?
<tomster>
goibhniu: you mean just create a local clone and reference that via local path?
<goibhniu>
AFAIK the one-click install feature on hydra hasn't been resurrected yet
<goibhniu>
you can symlink a local clone of nixpkgs to e.g. ~/.nix-defexpr/github then install it using `nix-env -iA github.yer-package`
<tomster>
tilpner: i have two use cases: a) i want to install postgis (which i found on nixpgs but when i try to install it with nix-env -i postgis it's not resolved and b) for the dropbox client (which i would like to add to my global configuration.nix
<tomster>
goibhniu: that actually sounds pretty straight forward
<hyper_ch>
tilpner: added myself... if it's not liked, someone else can edit me out again ;)
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<tomster>
goibhniu: would i be able reference that then from within my configuration.nix in the same way?
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* eraserhd
wonders why the chez commit from yesterday that makes it work on darwin is still not available on his system.
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<myguidingstar>
how can I import some specific packages from nixpkgs-unstable channel to use in in my configuration.nix (while other packages remain to be from nixos channel)?
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<steveeJ>
myguidingstar: import the unstable nixpkgs and bind it to a variable. then put that packages prefixed with that variable in the systemPackages list
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<myguidingstar>
steveeJ: I'm asking exactly how to do the part "import the unstable nixpkgs" :)
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<steveeJ>
myguidingstar: add the https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-unstable channel as e.g. nixos-unstable, then you can do 'nixpkgsUnstable = import <nixos-unstable> {}' in your configuration.nix
<steveeJ>
myguidingstar: add the channel via nix-channel. I have done that with sudo to make it available for all users, but I don't know if that's required
<srhb>
myguidingstar: (For a slightly different usecase)
<srhb>
Lots of ways to achieve it..
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<cocreature>
hey, how do I search by attribute name using nix-env? 'nix-env -qA 'nix*' does something but it doesn’t seem to search by attribute name, e.g. it doesn’t show nixpkgs.nixUnstable
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<nliadm>
it's a regex full match, iirc?
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<nliadm>
so, 'nix.*'
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<cocreature>
doesn’t seem to work either
<cocreature>
ah I think -qA only searches installed packages and -qaA tries to search for packages by name (not attribute name) inside of the attribute
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<nliadm>
yeah, that sounds right
<nliadm>
I always end up doing `nix-env -qaP | less`
<nliadm>
then regex search on that populated list
<cocreature>
ah that’s a good tip, thanks!
<nliadm>
it takes a hot second to evaluate that, though
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<mark__>
Hello!
<mark__>
I am trying to install the font PragmataPro
<mark__>
And I don't know how.
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<edmn>
Hello. I was sent here hoping to find how folks get interactive development envs working on nixos for Haskell. In particular, I'm having trouble getting ghc-mod to do the right thing.
<LnL>
eraserhd: what eo you mean with old versions staying around?
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<boxofrox>
gchristensen: wrt nix-rust/carnix, do you have a preference how to extract the build shell script? a) extract independent bits of shell code into one lib.sh file, sourced/used from a smaller build script generated in the nix file, b) extract shell functions into separate files (e.g. scripts/{build_bin,build_lib,noisily,etc}, c) none of the above
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<gchristensen>
boxofrox: I guess I was thinking maybe a single script per build phase, but I'd leave it up to you, whatever way makes most sense but still lets my editor use its nice features for sanely editing shell
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<fikovnik>
Hi, is there a way to list all outdated packages (both system and user profile)?
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<boxofrox>
gchristensen: i'll work toward a single script per build phase. thanks.
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<gchristensen>
boxofrox: thank _you_! that code is looking awesome
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<boxofrox>
fikovnik: not sure. try `sudo - root nix-env -qc` and `sudo - user nix-env -qc`. may have to `nix-channel --upgrade` first.
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<Alling>
Hello guys! How can I setup a samba service on my NixOS server which I can then access from Windows? I managed to do it on Ubuntu Server a year ago or so.
<Alling>
I do have services.samba.enable = true; and I can connect to the samba service, but I don't know how to set username and password properly.
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<Alling>
I.e. Windows asks for username and password and I don't know how to set them.
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<mark__>
Sorry, I got distracted. Any hints on how to install Pragmata Pro?
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<symphorien>
how can I find out the drv file which /run/current-system orginated from ?
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<ToxicFrog>
Alling: AFAIK nixos still uses the old smbpasswd mechanism
<ToxicFrog>
Er, "old" compared to e.g. setting the credentials in configuration.nix or something
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<ToxicFrog>
So `smbpasswd -a` the user/password information you want
<sphalerite>
hm, the matrix IRC bridge is being janky again
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<mark__>
And also I am building this electron app and I can't seem to run the electron binary
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<mark__>
The file './electron' does not exist or could not be executed.
<mark__>
But it's there and it's executable
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<samueldr>
how are you making sure the file is there?
<symphorien>
mark__: a "normal" ELF executable is not self contained, it is in fact run by an interpreter (which does the loading of the shared libraries etc. iirc) which you can find out with readelf. On FHS linux, for 64 bits it is usually in /lib but on nixos it is not located here. So a binary from somewhere else won't work on nixos
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<mark__>
I think I understand, and patchelf is a workaround?
<symphorien>
it is a utility to edit the ELF executable to set the interpreter you want
<symphorien>
(among other things)
<wajsel>
hi, I tried to get the manpages for memcpy and time.h but can't figure out what package to install.
<mark__>
but from what you are saying, most of the time these binaries don't come with an interpreter, right?
<eraserhd>
LnL: yeah, with old versions staying around. But i've actually found that, no matter, Evernote and Anki don't want to work, unpacked from dmg.
<gchristensen>
sorry y'all, I really can't talk right now, maybe later :)
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<LnL>
eraserhd: as for spotlight, etc. indexing old stuff I'm not sure if it's possible to handle that
<earldouglas>
When I run disnixos-env -s ... -n ... -d, it fails with "readlink: missing operand" and "dirname: missing operand". Is there a way to get more information about what's going wrong?
<earldouglas>
I found a couple mentions of this on the Web, but without any detail or solutions.
<manveru>
though i do know tcl functions have them
<wajsel>
well I could google it, yes. But I don't understand why temper with the man pages?
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<Dezgeg>
'nix-locate memcpy' -> man-pages and posix_man_pages
<wajsel>
It's convenient because they agree with my system. If I google I will find "something"
<manveru>
well, in that case install manpages.docdev
<wajsel>
sorry but I can't find manpages.docdev
<manveru>
hmm
<manveru>
stdmanpages?
<wajsel>
also where did you get nix-locate from? perhaps I have something wrong with my setup
<manveru>
not sure if they restructured it
<manveru>
never heard of it
<Dezgeg>
it's from the nix-index package
<wajsel>
to make sure I'm on 17.09 channel I did `sudo nix-channel --add https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-17.09 nixos` followed by `sudo nix-channel --update`
<wajsel>
is there anything more I should do to update the package list?
<ylwghst>
-quit
<manveru>
nixos-rebuild switch
<wajsel>
won't that rebuild and update what I already got installed? Is it also needed to update what I will see with nix-env qaP ... ?
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<manveru>
no, what you see in nix-env changes after you update the channel already
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<manveru>
i thought you want to update your packages :)
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<wajsel>
:) no I wan't to find the package that installs the manpages for things like memcpy and time.h and similar
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<manveru>
`nix search manpages` :)
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<manveru>
it's called stdmanpages, just tried it and it shows memcpy
<wajsel>
@manveru ok I must have something wrong here then. And the rebuild did find quite a lot to rebuild so I'll see if that helps. Thanks.
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<dhess>
Is there any precedent for exporting a function from a NixOS module?
<dhess>
Basically I want to expose the configuration-generating function from a module, so that a user of the module can ask the module for its configuration and then deploy it to /run/keys or wherever
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<dhess>
That would decouple configuration from where it's stored, and leave that up to the caller rather than the module.
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<sphalerite>
nixos-rebuild build-vm VMs don't seem to be working for me any more… they spend a while booting normally by the looks of it, then the screen just goes black. Any ideas what might be going on here? I've tried with an empty configuration as well
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<clever>
sphalerite: there is an option to also boot it without graphics in qemu-vm.nix, what happens then?
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<Lisanna>
quick question: can attrset arguments be recursive? i.e., a = { pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {}, myChannel ? import <myChannel> { inherit pkgs; } }: dostuff;
<infinisil>
Lisanna: There's a repl you can try this out with
<clever>
Lisanna: i think they already are by default
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<Lisanna>
yep, did a quick test... that works how I expected it to. Obvious followup question: is the example I posted a "good practice" for importing other channels that themselves need nixpkgs?
<clever>
Lisanna: the only improvement i can see is to instead use something like import <nixpkgs> { config={}; overlays=[]; }
<clever>
which will force it to ignore the users config.nix and overlays
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<earldouglas>
Anybody familiar with Disnix around?
<clever>
after that, the only way you can harden it more is to fetch a fixed nixpkgs
<dtzWill>
haha it's fun to see what y'all look like, matching faces -> names/aliases while watching NixCon videos :D
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<Alling>
ToxicFrog: Yes, seems so. I got it working by installing the samba package and running smbpasswd.
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<sphalerite>
clever: do you have any way of iterating more rapidly on netboot experiments? I'm finding it's taking quite a while each time to build the squashfs for an image and then another while to actually boot it, which is largely spend sending the initramfs
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<clever>
sphalerite: you can also just boot the kernel+initrd in qemu with -kernel and -initrd
<clever>
sphalerite: once you know the netboot stuff works, you can ignore it temporarily, and test locally
<clever>
as for the squashfs, what part are you changing a lot?
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<sphalerite>
why would `pkgs.copyPathToStore <nixpkgs>` evaluate to a path which is a symlink to `.`, i.e. the nix store?
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<tilpner>
Works here. What's your NIX_PATH?
<sphalerite>
mark__: give me 5min, I'll write an expression for it
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<tilpner>
What are the known risks of allowing untrusted users to nix-build arbitrary expressions, with sandboxing enabled?
<sphalerite>
tilpner: nixpkgs=/nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/nixos/nixpkgs:nixos-config=/etc/nixos/configuration.nix:/nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels also why can't I see your messages >_>
<sphalerite>
tilpner: as for not seeing your message, the matrix IRC bridge seems to be dropping some of them and I have to look at botbot.me/freenode/nixos to see them >_>
<catern>
hey #nixos, what is the best (i.e. works best with Nix) build system for C code?
<catern>
I am fine with a build system that is completely tied to Nix :)
<Lisanna>
catern: autotools
<tilpner>
Matrix has been really weird today. I had two clients open earlier, and Riot suddenly showed fewer outgoing messages than matrix.lua
<catern>
okay, let me rephrase
<catern>
what is the build system for C code that works best with Nix, and is not widely hated?
<Lisanna>
catern: I love using autotools, but hate writing autotools :)
<catern>
That is fair :)
<catern>
I like using autotools as well
<catern>
Hmm...
<dhess>
catern: probably cmake, then.
<catern>
I guess I should use autotools for my project :(
<catern>
dhess: ugh
<catern>
Yeah I guess cmake is the second best
<Lisanna>
yeah, isn't there some cmake support in a stdenv somewhere?
<catern>
and I don't like cmake!
<catern>
OK, I guess autotools it is :(
<catern>
Nix itself uses autotools right?
<Lisanna>
catern: well, you didn't specify that *YOU* have to like it as a criteria :)
<catern>
Fair :)
<tilpner>
sphalerite - Try ${pkgs.path}
<Lisanna>
Something I've done in the past is to write the build system itself in Nix
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<catern>
Lisanna: do you have an example of that?
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<catern>
Also, can anyone recommend, like, an easy way to create an autotools project?
<Lisanna>
i.e. write a very simple bash script for each component that invokes $CC, and then use Nix to chain them all together nicely
<catern>
autoautotools, perhaps :)
<Lisanna>
catern: I've found autotools.io to be helpful
<Lisanna>
as a reference
<sphalerite>
tilpner: sounds good, I'll give it a shot!
<sphalerite>
ugh, mark__ just left
<catern>
oh well
<catern>
I guess I can learn autotools and
<sphalerite>
I mean, it's rude to ask a question and leave, but to ask a question, have someone say "I'll do that for you", then leave!?
<catern>
convert all my projects to use it instead of hand-written makefiles
<catern>
Lisanna: thanks for the pointers
<sphalerite>
even better: nix function to compile a single C file ;)
<Lisanna>
catern: soundslike a good plan, people will love you more if you give them source code that builds with autotools
<Lisanna>
sphalerite: Eelco actually started something like that
<Lisanna>
if you look on their github, there's a "nix-make" project
<tilpner>
sphalerite - They had a ping timeout, it wasn't a part/quit
<catern>
Lisanna: yeah, from 13 years ago :)
<sphalerite>
Lisanna: yeah. Trouble is tracking header deps :(
<catern>
sphalerite: can't you just IFD?
<sphalerite>
tilpner: ok that's slsightly better then :p
<sphalerite>
catern: yeah, but that's not pretty and you still need to parse it and get nix to understand it
<sphalerite>
tilpner: pkgs.path did the trick, thanks!
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<sphalerite>
Do paths copied into a store from a binary cache retain their signatures?
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<bkchr>
Does someone know if I can use fetchpatch to apply a patch in a subfolder?
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<sphalerite>
Does anyone know what sort of functionality might be available to me through the ethernet port of a powered-off machine? I'm guessing the link isn't kept up (the lights are on) for no reason. The machine doesn't seem to have plain Wake-on-LAN though — couldn't find it anywehre in the BIOS settings, nor did `ethtool -s wol g` seem to enable it.
<sphalerite>
(sorry for OT)
<Lisanna>
sphalerite: I have no idea, but I'm interested in whatever you find out about that