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<greymalkin> jasom: It should; though I'll get a chance to try it the next time a new nvidia driver comes out.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 714cf78 Nikolay Amiantov: dwarf-fortress.dfhack: enable 64-bit build, fix segfault
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1vNS
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8f63cc6 Nikolay Amiantov: dwarf-fortress: remove unused oldAbiStdenv
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc created roundup-10 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v1vAm
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 c894e2c Graham Christensen: libarchive: 3.2.1 -> 3.2.2 for unspecified vulnerabilities...
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc opened pull request #20668: Nixos Vulnerability Patch Rollup: #10 (master...roundup-10) https://git.io/v1vAl
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to roundup-10: https://git.io/v1vA6
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 654a24e Graham Christensen: gnuchess: 6.2.3 -> 6.2.4 for CVEs...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to roundup-10: https://git.io/v1vxm
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 2d39d7e Graham Christensen: w3m: 0.5.3-2015-12-20 -> 0.5.3+git20161120 for many CVEs...
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<joepie91> gchristensen: when you return -- progress has been made: https://i.imgur.com/GTiHZif.png
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<joepie91> I'll probably finish things tomorrow and publish it :P and more sources can be added later, as needed
<joepie91> (it uses MITRE, NVD and SecurityFocus for now)
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<joepie91> SF seems to be reasonably quick in providing details even when MITRE/NVD still say "reserved"
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<joepie91> (this is the report output - a --json flag will be added also)
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] matthewbauer opened pull request #20670: Darwin close-source apps: init Steam, Spotify (master...darwin-apps) https://git.io/v1vx5
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<Shados> c74d: Why do you want to keep a package in the store but not in the system profile?
<c74d> Shados: so that I can keep it out of the global environment, but have it easily available for temporary project-specific (e.g. nix-shell) environments
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<Shados> c74d: https://nixos.org/wiki/Development_Environments#Making_a_Persistent_nix-shell_Environment does this no longer work, or just not aware of it?
<c74d> not aware of it
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to roundup-10: https://git.io/v1vhw
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 8a90d5f Franz Pletz: qemu: add patch to fix CVE-2016-7907...
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<gchristensen> upgrading imagemagick and graphicsmagick is always so frustrating.
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<shanemikel> nix wouldn't happen to have a special way to set the pager (like git does)?
<shanemikel> specifically for nix commands to use
<gchristensen> shanemikel: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/blob/master/doc/manual/release-notes/rl-1.8.xml#L107-L109 since 1.8 we've supported using PAGER
<shanemikel> ahh, okay. thanks
<gchristensen> you're welcome!
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<shanemikel> is there a nice way to track which derivation packages come from? So I could install stuff from expressions in my home dir (perhaps stuff that's already in nixpkgs, but I need to build it differently, or a different version), and just list all the installed packages that came from my system nixpkgs installation, or all the packages that came from my personal derivation.. just to make it easy to nuke everything and revert to
<shanemikel> the nixpkgs stuff
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<shanemikel> I guess I could take care manually to keep it all in a different profile, but I might forget! also, is there a way to "layer" different profiles so I can keep organized if I do it this way?
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<gchristensen> NeQuissimus: are you available for a bit more tonight? :)
<gchristensen> (no pressure)
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] AndersonTorres opened pull request #20672: pari/gp: 2.7.6 -> 2.9.0 (master...pari) https://git.io/v1fvL
<shanemikel> Derr.. just put mutliple profiles in my various paths
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<shanemikel> oh.. shit --drv-path
<shanemikel> sorry I've had too much coffee, can't deal with manuals right now :(
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<gchristensen> ImageMagick is the most frustrating package.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] lbodor opened pull request #20674: dockerTools: rsync contents with -keep-dirlinks (master...docker-tools-rsync-pr) https://git.io/v1fvA
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 2 new commits to roundup-10: https://git.io/v1fff
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 178af9c Graham Christensen: libtiff: 4.0.6 -> 4.0.7 for many CVEs...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 8c977d8 Graham Christensen: graphicsmagick: Update URLs for patches
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<ryantm____> Somehow my /sys/fs/cgroup mount got completely full. It seems to be making it impossible to run nixos-rebuild --switch. Anyone have that problem before? The root drive has many 97 GB free
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<ryantm____> oh wait that's totally wrong.
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<ryantm____> My /boot is full.
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<shanemikel> I'm perusing the nix manual, reading Ch14. How can I reference packages in nixpkgs from a derivation somewhere in my own project tree? is there something under ~/.nix-profile pointing to the system nixpkgs? Also, I see some useful looking stuff in ~/.nix-profile/share/nix .. I'm guessing this is the basic stuff meant to be used for expressions outside of the nixpkgs tree?
<ryantm____> shanemikel: you can do import <nixpkgs> {};
<ryantm____> That will import the nix expr defined by NIX_PATH=nixpkgs=/path/to/nixpkgs
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<shanemikel> oh, thanks. there's a .nix-defexpr link
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<ryantm____> sudo nix-collect-garbage -d followed by nixos-rebuild boot fixed my issue with /boot being full
<shanemikel> usually that happens from keeping around too many old kernels
<shanemikel> did you see how many were in there?
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<shanemikel> did nixpkgs stop using the all-packages.nix file? cant `find` it i
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<gchristensen> shanemikel: no it is there
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<gchristensen> $ find . -name all-packages.nix
<gchristensen> ./pkgs/top-level/all-packages.nix
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<shanemikel> oop.. got it
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<shanemikel> oh, stupid find doesn't follow symlinks by default
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] carlsverre opened pull request #20675: mopidy-gmusic: 1.0.0 -> 2.0.0 (master...update/mopidy-gmusic) https://git.io/v1fUK
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v1fUQ
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 3ef260b Franz Pletz: uhd: 3.9.3 -> 3.10.1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 2e74e24 Franz Pletz: gnuradio: 3.7.9.2 -> 3.7.10.1
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc force-pushed roundup-10 from 8c977d8 to c823eae: https://git.io/v1fIf
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 9118702 Graham Christensen: libarchive: 3.2.1 -> 3.2.2 for unspecified vulnerabilities...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 4a5c661 Graham Christensen: gnuchess: 6.2.3 -> 6.2.4 for CVEs...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/roundup-10 a3b7468 Graham Christensen: w3m: 0.5.3-2015-12-20 -> 0.5.3+git20161120 for many CVEs...
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc merged roundup-10 into master: https://git.io/v1fIL
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc closed pull request #20668: Nixos Vulnerability Patch Rollup: #10 (master...roundup-10) https://git.io/v1vAl
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 6 new commits to release-16.09: https://git.io/v1fIW
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 2292d85 Graham Christensen: graphicsmagick: Update URLs for patches...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 ee38d13 Graham Christensen: libtiff: 4.0.6 -> 4.0.7 for many CVEs...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 386c980 Franz Pletz: qemu: add patch to fix CVE-2016-7907...
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<nhooyr> hello, trying to enable http2Support with nix. My package overrides looks like: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nhooyr/d3e6f25f104b9ba102cf3d606b2b4686/raw/c52b53c0257d90777fa5e4d9cd95c479dd39409c/gistfile1.txt
<nhooyr> but I get `error: cannot coerce a set to a string` when trying to build at line 4
<nhooyr> if I remove the meta.priority, it builds fine
<nhooyr> but I cannot use it on the command line.
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<nhooyr> seems like it's impossible?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] matthewbauer opened pull request #20676: file_cmds: init at 264.1.1 (master...file_cmds) https://git.io/v1fOe
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<nhooyr> worked for me :D
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] TravisWhitaker opened pull request #20677: graphviz: Make derivations pure on non-NixOS systems. (master...graphviz-fix) https://git.io/v1fs1
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] carlsverre opened pull request #20678: Fix/ctrlp cmatcher (master...fix/ctrlp-cmatcher) https://git.io/v1fZC
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] evfool opened pull request #20680: gnome-calculator: update license to gpl3 (master...master) https://git.io/v1fn3
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] garbas pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/v1fcq
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 58771c0 Rok Garbas: notmuch: 0.22 -> 0.23.2...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master aecc5ba Rok Garbas: notmuch-addrlookup: added myself (garbas) as maintainer
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 010aebd Rok Garbas: notmuch-addrlookup: moved package from elmPackages root of nixpkgs
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] carlsverre opened pull request #20681: cpsm: init at 565ab53a66fa52c46d80adf6981b07f4bdffcb1d (master...add/cpsm) https://git.io/v1fc3
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<ixxie> hello
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1f8y
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master b59167c Vladimír Čunát: CONTRIBUTING.md: switch to a link that actually works...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to release-16.09: https://git.io/v1f8p
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 0d26209 Vladimír Čunát: CONTRIBUTING.md: switch to a link that actually works...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] basvandijk opened pull request #20684: postgresql: fix build on darwin (master...fix-postgresql-osx) https://git.io/v1f4V
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<dweller> libreoffice is a mess
<ixxie> dweller: LaTeX, Google Docs and Adobe InDesign are my prefered tools
<ixxie> they cover all the important usecases for me
<dweller> i should add probably 'on nixos'
<dweller> look at the fonts
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<hyper_ch> how do I run gparted in nixos?
<hyper_ch> running from the cli with sudo doesn't work
<hyper_ch> running from kicker tells me it needs root privileges
<lassulus> hyper_ch: `DISPLAY=:0 gparted` works for me as root
<hyper_ch> unetbootin asks for root access
<hyper_ch> thx :)
<dweller> 'sudo nix-shell -p gparted --run gparted' works for me
<hyper_ch> lassulus: doesnt work here
<lassulus> whats the error?
<hyper_ch> (gpartedbin:18662): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
<dweller> try xhost +local
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<hyper_ch> dweller: what do you mean by that?
<hyper_ch> dweller: how do I remove that stuff that was added by sudo nix-shell -p gaprted --run gparted ?
<dweller> what stuff?
<hyper_ch> dweller: it downloaded stuff
<dweller> from nix store? during garbage collecting
<hyper_ch> into nixstore
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<clever> hyper_ch: nix-collect-garbage
<hyper_ch> thx
<hyper_ch> one issue still is - shouldn't gparted ask for root permission like unetbootin?
<LnL> do we have some sort of solution for applications that don't have a versioned source?
<clever> hyper_ch: sudo gives it root
<hyper_ch> clever: starting it from kde kicker... it doesn't ask for root
<hyper_ch> running it with sudo, gives error display in ci
<clever> hyper_ch: ah, thats a bit odd
<clever> hyper_ch: is this from a cd or normal install?
<hyper_ch> it's from a running nixos
<hyper_ch> unstable
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<ixxie> Okay so, I notice some packages subattributes coding for particular plugins/libraries/modules; for example browsers have options for installing flash plugins. Some interpreters/compilers are built with arbitrary libraries, like rWrapper; I want to implement arbitrary plugin installation for Chromium, VSCode, etc.
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<clever> ixxie: actively editing an example in https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/b38d3fab623c0288fbdea0d77999cc39
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<domenkozar> ikwildrpepper: niksnut: why are macs 1-5 idle?
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<clever> ixxie: it now has options to enable/disable chrome and flash
<clever> ixxie: and firefox, which obeys the same flash setting
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 278196e montag451: git-annex-remote-rclone: init at 0.4
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5b83874 Peter Simons: Merge pull request #20661 from montag451/git-annex-remote-rclone...
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<ixxie> clever: I meant I want to have the option to list any chromium plugin somewhere in a configuration and have that be installed
<clever> ixxie: the enabled attribute in this file is a list of enabled plugins, which will depend on the options setup in the nixpkgs config
<clever> ixxie: and it then concats those paths together, and embeds them into a bash script that passes them to chromium
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<ixxie> thank you clever
<clever> with ghc and r, the libs are embeded into the shell script
<clever> with gcc, the libs are put into $NIX_CFLAGS and $NIX_LDFLAGS, which the gcc wrapper will append to the command lines
<clever> and then the stdenv will parse buildInputs and build up NIX_CFLAGS
<clever> so the gcc one is more flexible, not sure why everybody else went the other route
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<signal4> o/
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<signal4> anyone here?
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<kmicu> ( ^_^)/
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<signal4> kmicu: you're my only hope
<kmicu> There is ~500 people here besides me :)
<signal4> well yeah but still. so i've been fiddling with nixos for a few days now
<signal4> and i think i like it
<signal4> but is it possible to make it so it build everything with my CFLAGs and alike?
<kmicu> You can adjust anything locally with ‘packageOverrides’.
<signal4> yes i tried packageOverrides and that's where i hit a deadend
<signal4> i was trying to make it so that it sets CLFAGS on every package out there
<signal4> but since i'm not particulary good at functional programming let alone nix script thing
<simpson> signal4: You probably don't want that; you'd have to build nearly all your packages.
<signal4> i haven't had any luck with that
<clever> some packages ignore CFLAGS or set it again, NIX_CFLAGS_COMPILE would have more effect
<signal4> but i *do* want that
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<signal4> is NIX_CFLAGS_COMPILE something i should be setting in packageOverrides?
<clever> yeah, that should work better
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<signal4> than it's back to my original problem - i'm not sure how to apply overrideDerivation to all the packages
<clever> you want to override stdenv, and modify the mkDerivation function
<ixxie> clever, it looks indeed more elegant
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<kmicu> If you want to change everything then it’s better to change GCC setup-hook than to dance with overrideDerivation.
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<signal4> clever: where do i put that? so far i've only played with /etc/nixos/configuration.nix. does it go there or somewhere else?
<clever> signal4: if you want it to affect nixos-rebuild, then it must go into the nixpkgs.config.packageOverrides of configuration.nix
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<clever> signal4: https://github.com/cleverca22/nix-tests/blob/master/config-debug.nix but at nixpkgs.config.packageOverrides
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<signal4> whoa it works thank you guys!
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<kmicu> Happy world–rebuilding on each serious update ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
<signal4> please don't look at me weird. i like waiting for things to compile. gives me time to drink some tea and contemplate life
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vdemeester opened pull request #20685: Fix lnav-0.8.0 compilation. (master...fix-lnav-compilation) https://git.io/v1fr9
<clever> there is also a weird problem if you ever garbage collect
<signal4> oh how's that?
<clever> there is a key part of the sh closure, that can be deleted by garbage collection, but is needed to do the rebuild
<clever> and when rebuilding it, that key part of sh gets omited from the sandbox
<clever> and then sh isnt valid, so the rebuild fails
<clever> normally, the binary cache fills the gap in, so nobody ever notices
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<kmicu> But compiling in Nix is order of magnitude longer than on a typical distro, b/c everything depends on each other. Immutability has its price.
<clever> -Q and -j 8 can speed things up, some
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<signal4> clever: is it something that's going to be fixed in future versions of nixos?
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 ee52e98 Joachim Fasting: grsecurity: 4.8.8-201611150756 -> 4.8.10-201611210813...
<clever> signal4: the /bin/sh impurity would have to be fixed first
<clever> signal4: and i think it only happens if you are building the same version of glibc that you are currently running
<signal4> clever: well i think i'll take it one step at a time. i'm still terrified by nix expressions
<signal4> not a haskell preson
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 247a77a makefu: snapraid: 10.0 -> 11.0
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9338d32 Jörg Thalheim: Merge pull request #20643 from makefu/snapraid/update/11.0...
<Myrl-saki> Got my team to use NixOS.
<Havvy> So, I have a NixOS install mounted to /media/sda4 and I need to change the configuration and rebuild nixos. How do I get access to nixos-stuff commands?
<clever> Havvy: is the host also nixos?
<Havvy> No. It's a rescue OS I have no control over.
<clever> Havvy: have you used chroot before to do this to another distro?
<Havvy> (When my laptop died months ago, I lost my private key)
<Havvy> clever: Yes, to a prior NixOS, but I forget things.
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<clever> Havvy: mount --bind /dev /media/sda4/dev ; mount --bind /proc /media/sda4/proc ; mount --bind /sys /media/sda4/sys ; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /media/sda4/run
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] LnL7 closed pull request #20684: postgresql: fix build on darwin (master...fix-postgresql-osx) https://git.io/v1f4V
<clever> Havvy: that should get the bulk of the mounts, then you want to symlink /media/sda4/run/current-system to /nix/var/nix/profiles/system (the symlink will only be valid after the chroot)
<goibhniu> Myrl-saki: \o/
<clever> Havvy: then i think you can chroot /media/sda4 /media/sda4//nix/var/nix/profiles/system/sw/bin/bash and export PATH=/run/current-system/sw/bin
<clever> Havvy: and make sure to only use "nixos-rebuild boot", switch wont like the chroot
<rly> Has anyone used both Terraform *and* NixOps?
<Havvy> Yeah, switch sounds like a good way to destroy things.
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<clever> Havvy: and if you have a boot partition, mount that as well
<rly> I have used Terraform now and it sort of works, but it looks like like it has very much ad hoc semantics.
<rly> -like*
<Havvy> boot is at sda2
<clever> Havvy: it should be at /media/sda4/boot/ before you chroot
<rly> NixOps doesn't define as many cloud resources, which makes it much less practical to use at this time, I think, but perhaps it's very easy to add new resources.
<Havvy> so `mount /dev/sda2 /media/sda4/boot` ?
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<clever> Havvy: yep
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<Myrl-saki> goibhniu: Feeling so accomplished right now.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master f9d787c Joachim Fasting: grsecurity: 4.8.10-201611210813 -> 201611232213
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<Havvy> clever: The chroot isn't working because it can't follow the symlinks. Though I can follow them...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #20674: dockerTools: rsync contents with -keep-dirlinks (master...docker-tools-rsync-pr) https://git.io/v1fvA
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<clever> Havvy: you may need to symlink /nix on the host to /media/sda4/nix
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<clever> Havvy: and double-check the symlinks youve made to ensure they will remain valid inside the chroot (they must lack /media/sda4)
<Havvy> Yeah, using the symlink there gives me something invalid.
<clever> it also helps sometimes to use relative paths with chroot
<clever> cd /media/sda4 ; chroot . ./nix/var/nix/profiles/system/sw/bin/bash
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<Havvy> Well yeah, but also setting the current-system symlink...
<clever> yoou can create that symlink inside the chroot
<clever> just use absolute paths to find ln
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<chpatrick> do you have any advice for incremental development builds with nix, for C++ and Haskell?
<chpatrick> nix-shell and then cmake/cabal?
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 845f7da Robert Roth: gnome-calculator: update license to gpl3
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 531bd1f Jascha Geerds: Merge pull request #20680 from evfool/master...
<Havvy> :/ It's really really hard to do anything without ls.
<clever> Havvy: absolute path, /nix/var/nix/profiles/system/sw/bin/ls
<clever> or just export PATH=/nix/var/nix/profiles/system/sw/bin/
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<Havvy> No wait, got the darn symlinks working.
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<Havvy> clever: Success! :D
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<Havvy> The cool thing is that once I actually had access to a working nixos-rebuild, it only took five minutes. And three of those were futzing around with newlines.
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<clever> heh :D
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<ronny> hmm
<ronny> does anyone have an idea how to enable fast user switching on nixos (using gdm)
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<LnL> sweet! I can use my nas wirh NIX_OTHER_STORES now :D
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<ronny> hmm
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 2d7cb1f Vladimír Čunát: luajit: 2.1.0-beta1 -> 2.1.0-beta2...
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<domenkozar> ikwildrpepper: niksnut mac1-5 are idle and blocking nixpkgs :(
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<rly> Does nixops support a command which will delete all AWS resources from a given account?
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<domenkozar> it only tracks what it creates
<rly> Or do you know of anything else which does?
<domenkozar> but I'm sure there are projects that do this
<rly> I found some ruby hack, but it is of course incomplete.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9755ecf romildo: vivaldi: 1.4.589.38-1 -> 1.5.658.44-1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 2aacd5b Tim Steinbach: Merge pull request #20660 from romildo/upd.vivaldi...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 528d353 Travis Whitaker: graphviz: Make derivations pure on non-NixOS systems.
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor closed pull request #20677: graphviz: Make derivations pure on non-NixOS systems. (master...graphviz-fix) https://git.io/v1fs1
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<LnL> domenkozar: I guess it's that time of the week again
<hyper_ch> hmmm, when md5sum and sha256sum show different checksums for two files then it's safe to assume that they are not identical, right?
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<ben> You'd hope that sha256sum and md5sum show different checksums!!
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<Profpatsch> peti: You just merged the fix for it, it’s been fixed upstream, so it will probably break in the next update of the haddock database.
<Profpatsch> Or since it’s sed, it will not break but be dead code.
<Profpatsch> Should we create a list somewhere on things to remove after a database update?
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<Profpatsch> That is somehow propagate these fixes to the hackage-packages maintainer.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [hydra] domenkozar pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1JTV
<NixOS_GitHub> hydra/master 96dc9cc Leonid Onokhov: Document how to serve hydra behind reverse proxy (#423)
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<benzrf> yo!
<benzrf> i'm not totally clear on how the stuff works that fits outside of the edge of the nix expression language but lower-level than running nix-shell
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<benzrf> basically - sure, once you have a derivation value constructed within the expression language, the runtime system has a notion of "building" it, which produces some directory of results, like binaries. ok
<benzrf> past that - what are the concepts and mechanics involved in, like, generating symlink farms, and managing the store, and stuff
<benzrf> is it like - anytime any derivation is built, a dir in the store is automatically created to cache/store the output
<benzrf> but then how does the symlink stuff work?
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<clever> benzrf: buildEnv will create a group of symlinks to merge some paths, and that itself is another derivation
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<clever> benzrf: its just a perl script that looks at each input, and dynamicaly creates the correct symlinks
<benzrf> huh
<benzrf> alright :)
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<benzrf> tangential, but -
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<benzrf> do any of you ever have moments of hopelessness where you feel like maybe it's futile after all to try to build a truly functional build system on top of the quicksand that is unix
<benzrf> like, with all the special-casing that has to happen because of shit like depending on $PATH at runtime
<clever> nix solves that by just clearing $PATH at the start of a build
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<clever> and because everything is in nearly random paths under /nix/store, you cant find something your not supposed to be using
<benzrf> well
<clever> you can only find something you have been explicitely given thru the expression
<benzrf> i guess not so much the *build* system itself -
<benzrf> but the runtime aspects
<benzrf> getting programs to behave as though their dependencies are actually inputs instead of global state
<clever> yeah, if something happens to already be in $PATH on the devs system, they may not notice it depends on that
<clever> and it will eventualy break when somebody doesnt have it
<clever> but then it should be fixed
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<clever> thats why i avoid having certain tools installed globally
<clever> and why i try to always use absolute paths in things i build on nix
<simendsjo> It seems Chrome/Chromium wants to recompile each time I do --upgrade. Is there a way to state that I only want to update things that has been precompiled?
<clever> simendsjo: nix has no way of doing that, it either updates everything, or it updates nothing
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<clever> simendsjo: are you on 32bit or 64bit?
<simendsjo> I see. Is it because some low-level libraries is being updated often that it needs to recompile?
<simendsjo> 64 bit
<clever> its because nix has no real way to figure out the old state, the purity of the system stops it
<clever> simendsjo: what do you have in nixpkgs.config ?
<simendsjo> Do you mean ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix?
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<clever> simendsjo: depends, is chromium in nix-env -q or systemPackages?
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<simendsjo> I've been experimenting quite a bit, so it looks like I have it in both...
<clever> the one in systemPackages will use nixpkgs.config
<clever> then one in nix-env will use ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix
<clever> also, nix-env stuff isnt updated by nixos-rebuild, so it will just not update, which might be what you want
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<simendsjo> I see. I'm only using nixos-rebuild and have everything in configuration.nix. I cannot find any nixpkgs.config file, but it also seems like locate is broken.
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<simendsjo> I should probably move applications over to config.nix then?
<clever> updatedb cant be ran manualy, it needs a service setup in configuration.nix
<clever> and nixpkgs.config is an entry in configuration.nix
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<simendsjo> I have `locate.enable = true;` in configuration.nix, but it doesn't seem to work anyway.
<clever> it updates once a day, at 2:15 am
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<kmicu> Run ‘systemctl start update-locatedb’ to generated a database if you do not want to wait for a scheduled updated.
<simendsjo> I don't set much in the config section in configuration.nix, just some `allowUnfree` and a couple of other things.
<gchristensen> fpletz: so I should backport the gstreamer patches, right?
<gchristensen> s/patches/patch/
<clever> simendsjo: nothing chromium related?
<simendsjo> chromium = {enablePepperFlash = true; enableWideVine = true;};
<clever> simendsjo: i think enableWideVine causes a rebuild of chromium
<clever> it was doing that on my end recently
<benzrf> can i get pulp thru nix
<griff__> is there a way to get my own hydra instance to build a fork of nixpkgs without it having to build the entire world? Like just downloading from hydra.nixos.org when the derivation has already been built there?
<simendsjo> kmicu: Doesn't seem to do anything. I get several log entries with permission denied (e.g. on my home folder) even though I try to run it as root.
<clever> griff__: you generaly want to make a derivation and tell it what you want to build from nixpkgs
<clever> griff__: or its going to try to download ~80gig of packages, every single thing under the sun
<simendsjo> clever: Ah. But I think I need it for netflix to work :/
<kmicu> Try ‘sudo systemctl start update-locatedb’.
<clever> simendsjo: yep
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<clever> simendsjo: if you put chromium only in nix-env, and put enableWideVine into ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix, then it will only have to build chromium when you tell nix-env to update
<clever> simendsjo: so you can do it less often
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<simendsjo> clever: That sounds like a decent plan. I should probably keep configuration.nix only short enough to boot my system and put all other applications in config.nix?
<clever> simendsjo: yeah, thats one option, i'm a bit torn between configuration.nix being enough to rebuild the entire thing, and being able to select what rebuilds each time
<clever> griff__: and here is another thing i did, to limit what hydra can see: http://pastebin.com/abfEc5Dn
<simendsjo> clever: That was my idea too - a system that will work the same so I can easily roll back anything from the boot menu and easily setup an entirely new system.
<clever> simendsjo: also, have you seen how to use buildEnv in ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix ?
<simendsjo> clever: Not at all :) I still haven't found time to read through half the documentation.
<clever> simendsjo: http://pastebin.com/HFaB43Hb this creates a custom package called "mystuff"
<clever> simendsjo: so i can just nix-env -iA nixos.mystuff, and everything from line 15-38 gets installed
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<clever> simendsjo: manage that in git, and you have less to remember when you want to upgrade or reinstall
<simendsjo> clever: Nice. That looks like a good middle ground. How is rollback handled using this approach?
<clever> simendsjo: the entire mystuff package is one atomic unit, so a rollback will downgrade the whole thing at once
<clever> or remove it if it wasnt present in the last version
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<simendsjo> clever: So I can do `nix-env -iA nixos.mystuff --upgrade`, and if something breaks, do `nix-env -iA nixos.mystuff --rollback` (or similar commands)?
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<clever> no need to --upgrade, and --rollback doesnt take -A
<clever> if you -i something you already have, it will upgrade
<clever> and --rollback just undoes whatever the last operation was
<simendsjo> I see. Thanks. I'll probably try to migrate something over to using nix-env instead of nixos-rebuild to reduce the upgrade time.
<griff__> clever: thanks I will try that
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 4438ea1 Shea Levy: Add self to the mention bot blacklist
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<joepie91> gchristensen: ping me when you're around, please :)
<joepie91> want to make sure that the current version of the CVE lookup thing covers all the info you need
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<kostja> hello! does any one has nix installed in a non default location?
<hyper_ch> probably
<kostja> my pkgOverride stopped working and I get a nix that expects the store at /nix
<kostja> wanted to ask what I'm supposed to change
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<kostja> how should that look like? https://nopaste.me/view/6e7e5ab9
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<saintromuald> Where can I be able to find a list of the nixos packages?
<saintromuald> I used to be able to see them on nix.org
<saintromuald> and search for them in some sort of store
<saintromuald> but I dont see that online anymore
<saintromuald> so maybe it was moved, would appreciate any answers, thank you very much it is well appreciated.
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<joepie91> saintromuald: https://nixos.org/nixos/packages.html ?
<afh> Hi I'd like to install coreutils using nix on macOS, yet I'd like the binaries to have the 'g'-prefix, fortunately I see the coreutils/default.nix has withPrefix which defaults to false. What option do I give nix-env -i coreutils to set it to true?
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<Dezgeg> nix-env -iA nixpkgs.coreutils-prefixed seems like it
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<viric> Again, kdenlive hell. What do I have to install, apart from kde5.kdenlive, to get the icons in it?
<afh> Dezgeg: Thanks, yet it works differently than I expected. I thought it would install (i.e. create a symlink named) gdate rather than date
<afh> It seems that the binary the links point (coreutils) is prefixed with 'g' which does not make much sense to me. What are your thoughts?
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<Dezgeg> hmm, maybe it has a bug with the single-binary build
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<LnL> ikwildrpepper: the macs are idle again
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<afh> Dezgeg: How do I list the derivations for a package to find out how I can change the singleBinary attribute?
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<viric> I have no idea how to get icons in kde5 programs. Grrr
<viric> Every few months, the same thing
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<hyper_ch> kde5 is still in bad shape
<hyper_ch> imho
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<servilio> hi! how can I force the renewal of a certificate generated by letsencrypt?
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<hyper_ch> certbot?
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<hyper_ch> servilio: certbot?
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<servilio> hyper_ch: ended up rm'ing the files under /var/lib/acme/<domain>/ and restarting the service acme-<domain>.service
<servilio> worked like a charm
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<hyper_ch> you still didn't say what client you're using
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<earldouglas> Is there a way to generate a sha256 from a local git repo in the same way that fetchgit does? I guessed nix-store --dump . | sha256sum, but no luck.
<clever> earldouglas: nix-prefetch-git
<clever> earldouglas: part of your problem, is that fetchgit doesnt keep the .git dir, so your previous hash was likely including that
<earldouglas> Bingo!
<earldouglas> That worked, thanks!
<servilio> hyper_ch: no idea, I just enabled ACME in a Nginx vhost
<hyper_ch> servilio: there's a gazillion clients
<servilio> hyper_ch: from what I read, seems to be simp_le
<hyper_ch> I see
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<servilio> hyper_ch: now I the error on my ways :D I made a pretty generic question, just assumed that asking it in the nixos channel would implicitly have the "for the NixOS service"
<simpson> servilio: There are multiple clients with NixOS support IIRC.
<hyper_ch> servilio: I just wrote a littel dns api script for the config panel I use for a different le client
<hyper_ch> dns-01 challenge is fun :)
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<servilio> yes, I should added from the beginning that I meant the one enabled through security.acme
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<the-kenny> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/18111#issuecomment-262812502 - ugh, this guy must be very pleasant to work with. I was just *hinting* at the idea of removing the (months old) rustc-unstable compiler from nixpkgs and he goes full-throttle against it in a (to me) quite unpleasant tone
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] jagajaga closed pull request #20681: cpsm: init at 565ab53a66fa52c46d80adf6981b07f4bdffcb1d (master...add/cpsm) https://git.io/v1fc3
<the-kenny> Had anyone else such an experience with him? I remember other parts where he was quite hard to deal with
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] jagajaga closed pull request #20678: Fix/ctrlp cmatcher (master...fix/ctrlp-cmatcher) https://git.io/v1fZC
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<the-kenny> Oh and if I'm doing something wrong: Please tell me. I'm just trying to clear things up here
<simpson> the-kenny: "It would be very helpful if you allowed us to take over please." That's a red flag right there.
<the-kenny> simpson: red flag for what?
<simpson> the-kenny: Unpleasant motives, mostly. Nix is a community project, nixpkgs even more so, and somebody that wants to own an entire subsystem because their business depends on it is risky.
<the-kenny> Oh and note that he questioned my commit access earlier this year. I suppose he isn't happy with what I'm doing :) (Which isn't much, I know)
<afh> How can I list the derivations for a nixpkgs?
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<the-kenny> simpson: Oh yeah. I suppose we're on similar points here: He's free to contribute as is everyone else, but shouldn't get any extra rights because he's monetizing nixpkgs somehow
<simpson> the-kenny: For example, I'm monetizing nixpkgs, which means (to me) that I am obligated to contribute patches and fixes upstream, that I must wait in line with my PRs like everybody else, and that I am allowed to participate in discussions as long as I'm reasonable.
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<the-kenny> simpson: yeah, nothing's wrong with that. His comments made me feel like we're obliged to keep rustc-unstable because of him (or even make hydra build it, he's hinting at that and it's the original issue title). We can discuss that, but it should be a discussion and not "I need it for my business therefore you have to keep it"
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<the-kenny> And in *my* view he has some misaligned views of nixpgs: nixpkgs.git does *not* provide a stable API (read: package set) in any way
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 0454ef9 Franz Pletz: gstreamer: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.1...
<simpson> the-kenny: Sure. I'm frankly far more worried by the insinuation that maintainership of Rust stuff should be handed over.
<simpson> Well, you can pick any given nixpkgs revision and treat it as stable, just like with any other package manager.
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<the-kenny> simpson: Well there isn't any formalized maintainership as far as I know. And I'll surely keep my freedom to package/modify nixpkgs if I deem it reasonable (and you guys aren't against it)
<the-kenny> simpson: Or even take any release-branch as stable. That's what I wrote in the last comment
<Yaniel> Could this be solved by packaging rustup and exposing it to nix expressions?
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<the-kenny> Yaniel: I don't think so. This guy is working on something he wants to deploy. rustup isn't really usable for that. Also note that we already have a script ready to drop you in a nix-shell with the latest unstable compiler.
<simpson> Yaniel: I think that https://github.com/solson/rust-nightly-nix might be the right solution.
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<the-kenny> Yaniel: Plus I've got a WIP PR for rustup that enables nixpkgs packaging ;) Sadly it isn't as easy as packaging rustup. We need some hooks to run patches on the downloaded binaries
<simpson> Ultimately, the problem is that Rust is still young and unstable.
<the-kenny> ...or a fhs-user-env like steam, but that's ugly
<Yaniel> Hmm
<the-kenny> also note that he's using a 4 month old version of the nighly compiler
<the-kenny> He *is* already using a super-outdated version
<the-kenny> I seriously doubt his code will work in current -nightly
<Yaniel> I mean it would be nice if I could just install rustup and specify a list of tool chains I want it to download at install time
<the-kenny> I'm working on that :)
<Yaniel> Awesome
<the-kenny> Just need a weekend or so of free time to get it working
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<the-kenny> sadly this weekend is super busy :()
<Yaniel> (Completely unrelated to he above mentioned drama)
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<the-kenny> :D
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<asymmetric> hey, a question that's slightly unrelated: i'm trying to create a systemd unit that access a /var/run/acts directory in its own mount namespace
<asymmetric> basically, what PrivateTmp does, but for a custom dir
<asymmetric> does anyone have any idea how to do it?
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<rly> I am using a fairly high end Dell XPS 15, but the power drain is pretty terrible. Is there anything which I can tell to NixOS to fix this?
<clever> rly: there is a "powertop" util ive used to track that down on laptops
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<rly> I wonder whether they track how many people actually use Windows on these devices.
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<rly> Is there any way to increase the number of generations displayed by Grub to basically unlimited?
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<rly> I think it only shows the last 100 by default.
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<clever> rly: yeah, one sec
<clever> rly: boot.loader.grub.configurationLimit
<rly> clever: it's a really nice feature; it helped me twice already.
<clever> rly: also keep in mind, it affects disk usage in /boot, most of the people ive given that to had to turn it down because /boot was full
<rly> clever: having that problem is so 1990s.
<rly> clever: we should be booting off the cloud these days.
<clever> rly: my laptop is doing that, lol
<rly> clever: sweet. How?
<clever> ipxe is configured to hijack bios device #0, and re-route it to an iscsi server
<rly> clever: corporate thingie or your own infra?
<clever> so when grub tries to use the legacy bios API's, it winds up going over the LAN
<clever> to the NAS in the other room
<clever> entire thing stays within my house, but my download speed is fast enough that it could potentialy keep up
<clever> just latency and packet loss to deal with
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<asymmetric> what's the correct way of keeping a non-nixos instal up-to-date?
<asymmetric> do i need nix-channel --update ?
<asymmetric> or is nix-env -u enough?
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<clever> nix-env -u will only sync it to what is currently in nixpkgs, you need to also update nixpkgs first, which is nix-channel's job
<viric> when there is a line like this...
<viric> QXcbConnection: XCB error: 8 (BadMatch), sequence: 616, resource id: 31457293, major code: 152 (Unknown), minor code: 11
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<viric> What thing is not matching?
<asymmetric> kewl, thanks
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<tmobile> Any other portaudio users around? Mind taking a look at this PR? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/20592
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<klros> hello, i want to install a package in my nixos 16.09 but the version of it is older then github one. how can i use github one ?
<asymmetric> how do i tell nix-build to build a package on python35, or python27 ?
<MichaelRaskin> python3Packages.x python2Packages.x …
<simpson> klros: You can either override the derivation with a user-specific Nix expression, or you can clone nixpkgs from git and put it on your NIX_PATH.
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<simpson> We really need an FAQ entry for how to add small bits of unstable nixpkgs to a non-unstable NixOS.
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<asymmetric> MichaelRaskin: nix-build -A python3Packages.x doesn't work, errors with "error: attribute ‘magic-wormhole’ in selection path ‘python3Packages.magic-wormhole’ not found"
<asymmetric> whereas nix-build -A magic-wormhole works, but defaults to 2.7 obviously
<MichaelRaskin> Oh, it is an application and it is on the top-level, not in python-packages
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<MichaelRaskin> You could try overriding…
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<MichaelRaskin> Which needs nix-build -E
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<asymmetric> i see.. would i have to override the pythonPackages part? how would i do that?
<simpson> asymmetric: Ideally it would be placed back into the Python package system, and then the top-level package would change to `magic-wormhole = python27Packages.magic-wormhole`. I'm not sure why it was done this way.
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<klros> simpson: how we override a package installation ?
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<simpson> I'm not sure whether this information has been ported. I'm not sure whether it's even accurate.
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] MostAwesomeDude opened pull request #20694: nixos/collectd: Fix syntax error on some hostnames. (master...collectd) https://git.io/v1JrD
<klros> just overriding will download it from github or ?
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<clever> klros: yeah, if you change how its built, it will automaticaly fetch the source, and build it acording to the new directions
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<klros> okey. another question , doing this will affect system stability so much ?
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<clever> depends on what you alter and if you break it or not
<simpson> klros: Could you be more specific about which packages you're working with?
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<klros> i need this one
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz closed pull request #20694: nixos/collectd: Fix syntax error on some hostnames. (master...collectd) https://git.io/v1JrD
<klros> 16.09 has kubernetes-1.2.4
<clever> klros: just download that file to kubernetes.nix and make an override that does kubernetes = pkgs.callPackage ./kubernetes.nix {};
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 1 new commit to release-16.09: https://git.io/v1Jrp
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 64ef4e7 Corbin Simpson: nixos/collectd: Fix syntax error on some hostnames. (#20694)...
<simpson> fpletz: Wow, zoom zoom! Thanks!
<klros> okey, thank you
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<klros> where you guys learning these package building syntax from ? there are tons of things
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<clever> klros: cant really name one source, ive sort of read every page of the docs, and a decent chunk of the source in nixpkgs
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<simpson> klros: The Nix manual, nixpkgs manual, and NixOS manual are all quite good.
<asymmetric> simpson: i did it this way, someone here advised me to do it like this, saying that python apps should not be in python-packages.nix
<simpson> asymmetric: Well, sure, from that POV; but you want to use magic-wormhole in a Python 3 app as a library, right?
<asymmetric> nope, as an app - but i'd like to be able to easily choose the python version
<asymmetric> it's a cli tool
<makefu> klros: chekc out https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/nix-by-example-a0063a1a4c55#.d249avvuh as well as http://nix-cookbook.readthedocs.io/en/latest/nix-pills.html . also, sample code can be your friend
<simpson> asymmetric: Oh, you're not in #tahoe-lafs. Anyway, why does it matter which Python version is being used? And if it does, why wouldn't you prefer Python 2?
<klros> for example this.
<makefu> klros: ah, services
<simpson> klros: Pretty much all of the NixOS modules are written by cargo-culting, yes. :c
<klros> for every specific packages , there are lots of lots of things to know
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<makefu> klros: you can check nixos-option for most services
<simpson> Oh! You can read those from the NixOS manual, or you can $(man configuration.nix).
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<asymmetric> simpson: why stick to an old version? :)
<makefu> klros: also https://nixos.org/nixos/options.html for full-text search if you do not like the manpage :P
<simpson> asymmetric: Because the question isn't old vs. new. Python 2 will *never go away*, and many people *cannot port from Python 2*. Additionally, libraries like Twisted (which I'm sure magic-wormhole uses) are battle-tested on Python 2 but only beta-quality on Python 3.
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<asymmetric> gosh.. how big of a mess is a situation in which a version of a language lives forever, in parallel with newer versions?
* asymmetric is done ranting
<MichaelRaskin> asymmetric: look at Lua and enjoy
<asymmetric> but yeah, i suppose you're right, esp. about twisted - it's even mentioned in the readme
<simpson> asymmetric: Python 2 and Python 3 are not versions. They are mutually-incompatible languages. (This is part of why I'm not popular in #python.)
<asymmetric> but it's a problem only for the server, which i don't use
<asymmetric> (the wormhole server feature i mean)
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<klros> simpson: i meant for building a package. :D
<klros> btw thanks guys for the resource , i will look at them
<simpson> Okay. I'm just saying: There's no reason to expect that Python 3 is better than Python 2 when it comes to the behavior of applications.
<simpson> asymmetric: I'd recommend that you either move magic-wormhole to be a normal Python library, and put a top-level alias for the Python 2.7 (or Python 3.5, your choice) version, or write a nasty overrideDerivation.
<asymmetric> simpson: i think i'll leave it as is. magic-wormhole is not a library after all.
<joepie91> simpson: I feel like "not popular in #python" may not be an especially relevant metric, going by my own experiences :)
<simpson> asymmetric: There *is* possible library usage, but I'm not going to argue for it right now, without a use case.
<clever> asymmetric: youtube-dl isnt a library, but it is under pythonPackages
<simpson> asymmetric: But yeah, it's totally a library: https://github.com/warner/magic-wormhole/blob/master/docs/api.md
<asymmetric> clever: yeah, why's that? someone said it was a leftover, or a lack of organization
<asymmetric> simpson: hah! nice find
<asymmetric> simpson: i guess i'll have to move it after all
<clever> asymmetric: i think i would just put it under pythonPacakges to give people a choice if they want to use a different python for whatever reason
<simpson> asymmetric: I've been looking for magic-wormhole use cases since warner and I last chatted at PyCon. #tahoe-lafs is basically the magic-wormhole channel.
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<asymmetric> clever: sure, that makes sense, but what's the project's policy? because by that logic, everything should be under python-packages, right?
<asymmetric> simpson: i use it all the time to pass files around the office with colleagues
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<simpson> There's not a good policy. fridh has been working on an *actual* Python subsystem which integrates with PyPI, but that work is very hard and I don't know what progress has been made.
<simpson> asymmetric: Nice! Please let warner know; I'm sure it would be encouraging to him.
<asymmetric> yes, i think it was fridh who advised me not to put an app under python-packages
<asymmetric> simpson: i'll definitely do that!
<klros> there is no ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix btw
<simpson> klros: You have to create it.
<simpson> asymmetric: But yeah, I think that the solution follows from the original advice of python27Packages or pypyPackages or Python35Packages for choosing the Python interpreter.
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<klros> thanks for the help. downloading now
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<asymmetric> simpson: sorry, didn't get that. do you mean moving it back to python-packages?
<simpson> asymmetric: Yeah.
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<asymmetric> simpson: alright, thanks for the help!
<simpson> Sure.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 73 new commits to staging: https://git.io/v1J6D
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging c93c0a4 Frederik Rietdijk: farsight2: use python2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 051dfa5 Frederik Rietdijk: mod_python: use python2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging e84b9e2 Frederik Rietdijk: asn2quickder: use python2
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh force-pushed python3 from 3965647 to ae8972e: https://git.io/vPPX6
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/python3 ae8972e Frederik Rietdijk: Python: change default version: python = python3;
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] 7c6f434c pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1JiA
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master e29e246 Michael Raskin: debootstrap: 1.0.80 -> 1.0.87
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] offlinehacker closed pull request #19023: WIP: kubernetes update package and module (master...kube-update) https://git.io/vPvBN
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] NeQuissimus opened pull request #20697: rkt: 1.19.0 -> 1.20.0 (master...rkt_1_20_0) https://git.io/v1J1c
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<simpson> note: currently hard linking saves 26520.35 MiB
<simpson> Amazing.
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] joachifm closed pull request #20655: Emacs package updates (master...emacs-updates) https://git.io/v1exu
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] joachifm closed pull request #20592: portaudio: 19-20140130 -> 19-20161030 (master...portaudio-update) https://git.io/vXNUb
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<tmobile> Is there a way to access a derivation's store path in the scope of mkDerivation? I'd like to do something like configureFlags = [ "--some-opt=$out/some/path" ] but $out won't be expanded.
<tmobile> ${out} complains that 'out' is undefined.
<clever> tmobile: once the version of nix is bumped, you can use builtins.placeholder for that, until then, you need to append to it at the bash level
<clever> tmobile: preConfigure = 'configureFlags=
<clever> oops
<clever> tmobile: preConfigure = ''configureFlags="$configureFlags --some-opt=$out/some/path"'';
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<clever> it will now eval this chunk of bash script, before it runs ./configure, so $out is a normal env variable at this stage
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<tmobile> clever: Neat, thanks.
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<goibhniu> Hi, I'm trying to use qtcreator. but I'm having trouble getting it to find the qt libraries.
<goibhniu> with `nix-shell -p qtcreator gdb qt5Full` when I try to build a QtWidgets project it complains: "ld: cannot find -lQt5Widgets", and also Qt5Gui and Qt5Core
<goibhniu> if I manully run qmake and then make in the project and then add the path to qtbase it works (-L/nix/store/88xdlhn5kw93wim4c2pzk
<goibhniu> vdm4fl811nj-qtbase-5.6.1-1/lib)
<goibhniu> adding qtbase to nix-shell doesn't seem to help: ` nix-shell -p qtcreator gdb qt5Full qt5.qtbase` ... any ideas?
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<clever> goibhniu: last time i messed with qtcreator, i had to run "type qmake" to find a qmake binary in a tmp folder, then added that to qtcreator as a qt kit
<clever> goibhniu: but the problem, is that the tmp folder gets wiped after a shutdown, and that qmake is generated by the setup hooks when you enter nix-shell
<clever> so you have to reconfigure qtcreator every time you reboot
<goibhniu> interesting
<clever> normally, qmake has the paths of all of the libs built into it, and qtcreator will just query qmake to find them all
<clever> but with nix, that would lead to qmake depending on every single module you can possibly enable, and now you cant cut out un-needed things
<clever> so the setup hooks have to generate a modified qmake, based on what you put into buildInputs
<goibhniu> I'm not sure I follow, I'm in a nix-shell and I've run `type qmake` but it gives me the store path ... do I need a special nix expression to create a custom qmake for my shell?
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<clever> qt56.qmakeHook has to also be in the -p flag
<clever> thats what generates the qmake
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<goibhniu> Cool, I can see that when I enter a nix-shell with qt56.qmakeHook I now have the env var: QMAKE=/run/user/1000/tmp.HCyJx7Ldws/bin/qmake
<clever> yep, and within qtcreator you should be able to add a new version of qt, and give it the path to that qmake
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<clever> and it will auto-detect the paths for everything
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<goibhniu> sorry, I still don't have it ... I'm getting messages like: Cannot read /run/user/1000/tmp.HCyJx7Ldws/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf: No such file or directory
<clever> i think i also had to run qtcreator under that nix-shell
<clever> been a while since ive done it
<goibhniu> it sounds very promising alright .. I am running qtcreator in that shell, /run/user/1000/tmp.HCyJx7Ldws/mkspecs/ is empty
<goibhniu> htm
<goibhniu> hrm
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<reactormonk> Have there been any experiments with nix on the linux subsystem of windows?
<clever> reactormonk: i heard that it was missing a key syscall
<clever> yeah, there was a link in one of these bookmarks about the linux subsystem
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<clever> reactormonk: ah, here it is: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/1038
<reactormonk> aww
* clever heads to bed
<goibhniu> clever: thanks a million for your help ... it seems that if I just use a default.nix with qtcreator and qt5.full and add a kit ... everything works fine
<goibhniu> (as opposed to using nix-shell -p qtcreator qt5Full)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] sh01 opened pull request #20700: help2man: fix source file hash (release-16.09...help2man_fixhash) https://git.io/v1J9x
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<p3ace> the chroot_user installed by nix gives me a weird error: "`block in make_fcall': Invalid argument (Errno::EINVAL)"
<p3ace> any idea what might be causing this?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] romildo opened pull request #20701: windowmaker: 0.95.6 -> 0.95.7 (master...upd.windowmaker) https://git.io/v1JHD
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] Mic92 opened pull request #1139: Simplify remouting with MS_PRIVATE in sandbox build (master...master) https://git.io/v1JHd
<p3ace> ok, it looks like unshare doesn't like NEWUSER on my system for some reason
<p3ace> any idea why, and if there's a workaround?